Does RI recognize history/science vs pro Mind Bending?

[compared2what?]

Sorry, I forgot to add the "***".

*** With the exception of the several repeatedly banned trolls who regularly make a point of targeting me with aggressive and unpleasant attention. I fully admit that I usually do go beyond the conventionally acceptable level of bitching and snarking after four or five pages of unremitting apparently willful bad faith and start saying mean and angry things myself.

I can't and wouldn't want to pretend otherwise.

[orz]

orz wrote

Uncle $cam wrote:
Thanks HMW's and I concur...

How can you 'concur' with a simple list of words?

Either your reading skills are woefully inadequate, your disingenuous or some other explanation. Hugh's first sentence...

Can you use a search engine and find the science articles on decades of cognitive science used in psyops?

Is what I agree with orz.

O great, you can now also concur with a QUESTION..... You are a true master of concurring.

[orz]

HMW you have become a sad parody of yourself
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Become? That's how he started out as far as I can see, and it was all downhill from there.

[psynapz]

HMW you have become a sad parody of yourself
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Become? That's how he started out as far as I can see, and it was all downhill from there.

No.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Look up "Source amnesia."
People forget where they saw or heard something. Especially with the media source explosion of the last few decades.

Plus the brain, especially a kidz brain, is strongly pre-biased towards first definitions and impressions.

So it is easy to use mnemonic tricks to either:

> reinforce a power-friendly keyword association (SEMANTIC PRIMING)
OR
> interfere with a power-hostile keyword association by embedding it in entertainment or advertising and thus using misdirection to dilute clarity with multiplicity (INTERFERENCE THEORY).

For instance. Research for years has proven this to be the case.

And since spooks have infiltrated and taken over most of mainstream media and try to rig all social institutions to work for their agenda...this is what they've been doing since WWII.

There have been many psyops movies covering up the hoax of 9/11 just as there have been scripts written for other cover-ups, especially JFK's murder in Dealey Plaza. Scores of decoy movies and most big name actors have been in a JFK decoy. Yes, that many.

Now 9/11 is the new JFK in CIA-Hollywood psyops script writing- 'One Hour Photo,' 'The Core,' 'White Noise,' 'Wall*E,' 'Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull,l 'Eagle Eye,' 'The Brothers Soloman,' 'Tinkerbell and the Lost Treasure'...a plethora of movies with 9/11 keywords/images/memes embedded covertly to carry out the objectives so clearly defined in
US Army Field Manual FM33-1 Psychological Operations.

BTW. Re: pancakes.
My favorite example of covert 9/11 cover story reinforcement of a "pancake collapse of the Twin Towers" is in the CIA-Hollywood movie called 'The Astronaut Farmer.'

This movie is designed as negative framing of former 9/11 Omission Panel counsel-turned (limited hangout) whistleblower, John Farmer.
'Has his head in outer space so the government is mad at him' is the intended subliminal psyops smear.

It takes all of 2 minutes 18 seconds to get to the breakfast scene with...twin pancakes...on the griddle.

When the "astronaut farmer" shows his son his home-made space capsule's controls, there's a button labeled..."SQUIBS."


I don't have to explain that one, do I?

There's a scene where his rocket ignites but falls over and so it careens at high speed along the ground...just like the alleged path of the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon...cut to a scene of a messenger running into a high-level Washington DC official meeting with word of this launching of a homemake rocket...a mirror of the "does the order still stand?"-incident described by Norman Mineta regarding Cheney in the bunker during 9/11...

I don't have to explain that one yet again, do I? For christ's sake....

[Nordic]

Hugh ......

I will refer you to a comment made on another thread by Son Of Kitty:


Charles Manson was a crazed killer
Charles Manson liked the Beatles
Therefore: all Beatles fans are crazed killers.


This is the HMW logic at work.

Don't you see that?

You use terribile logic. It's non-logic. Then you think that because people don't buy your non-logic, that they don't believe this stuff EXISTS.

We know it exists. We just don't see the face of Jesus in our pancakes.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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You use terribile logic. It's non-logic.
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You don't do research. Or you do terrible research.

Do you know who William McGuire was? Look him up.

I didn't make any of this cognitive science up.
And it's in many many hundreds of scripts. I checked. Did you?

[Trifecta]

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Knock yerself out

[Nordic]

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You use terribile logic. It's non-logic.
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You don't do research. Or you do terrible research.

Do you know who William McGuire was? Look him up.

I didn't make any of this cognitive science up.
And it's in many many hundreds of scripts. I checked. Did you?

It's like talking to a brick.

[compared2what?]

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You use terribile logic. It's non-logic.
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You don't do research. Or you do terrible research.

Do you know who William McGuire was?

Yes. He was a social psychologist. He never did any work that suggested you could influence the attitudes and beliefs of large numbers of people in an uncontrolled environment by briefly exposing them to thousands of incidental, uninflected sounds and images that are totally unrelated both to each other and the subject area you're targeting with absolutely no regularized or systematic pattern or timing when you couldn't possibly have any data at all about whether the vehicle through which you're sending your message is going to be meaningful enough on its surface to act as an agent of influence to anyone.

I've said this before. But fwiw: Mindbenders need to have either more comprehensive information about or more access to the people whose minds they seek to bend than could possibly be gotten under the terms you propose. Because that's just how people are.

And incidentally, it makes me unhappy that you experience fair and accurate statements about cognitive and behavioral psychology as painful blows, Hugh. Not the reverse. If there were anything I could do about that -- which I wish there was -- I'd do it. But there's not. Apparently.

[Searcher08]

Hugh, If you have a few minutes, I would appreciate a response sometime to my earlier question about signposts for this subject area. I am doubtful about many of your conclusions, but I do think this "social neurolinguistics" is a very important area to be informed about and would like to know more.

[compared2what?]

^^

I meant what S08 said.

Searcher08, may I tell you again what lovely manners you have? And how well they convey your lovely soul?

You're my role model.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

c2w, have you ever heard of...Advertising? Public Relations? Psychological Operations?
They really exist!
And are institutionalized.
And have some limited success. Sometimes significant success.
And they even churn out their manipulative spew when unsuccessful-to-badly-counterproductive.

Despite your absurd attempt to portray human culture as random chaos that nobody could ever influence in any way.
Good grief. Your sophistry here is insulting to our intelligence.

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...influence the attitudes and beliefs of large numbers of people in an uncontrolled environment by briefly exposing them to thousands of incidental, uninflected sounds and images that are totally unrelated both to each other and the subject area you're targeting with absolutely no regularized or systematic pattern or timing when you couldn't possibly have any data at all about whether the vehicle through which you're sending your message is going to be meaningful enough on its surface to act as an agent of influence to anyone.

I've said this before. But fwiw: Mindbenders need to have either more comprehensive information about or more access to the people whose minds they seek to bend than could possibly be gotten under the terms you propose. Because that's just how people are.
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[barracuda]

After two decades spent working in advertising, producing major media buys and ad placements for Fortune 500 companies with advertising budgets in the high eight-figures, I can only say that if there is a hidden message in this image it has way more influence upon people's opinions about the kind of pancakes that you eat than the kind that result from detonations. In fact I'd say that the retail sales of Mrs. Buttersworth Syrup experienced more market movement from the distribution of this poster than any possible 911 propaganda effect. And frankly, if that's the kind of ROI the spooks are getting from the method you've outlined here, we sure don't have to spend much time worrying about it's effectiveness, because it has almost none, or perhaps slightly less than almost none. At least in this instance. In fact, I'd appaud their efforts, because every minute they're wasting their time with this kind of unsuccessful-to-badly-counterproductive psyop, I have another minute of breathing room to see their more effective psyops for what they are.

If it seems that I'm saying you're right, it wasn't because I meant to - it just came out that way. So, congratulations.

[brainpanhandler]

Oddly enough, as a result of Hugh, I can't think of pancake collapse without thinking of Dan in Real Life and I'll probably never see another stack of pancakes without thinking of the world trade centers.

Barracuda,

I generally respect your criticisms of Hugh's theories because you have at least spent the time to carefully study and consider them. I can understand why someone wouldn't, thinking that they're absurd on the face of it and sometimes I feel a little silly having given them as much consoderation as I have, but have you really considered just how difficult it is for your conscious mind to apprehend the way that your subconscious mind can be affected by something like a movie poster? I mean just about everyone on this board acknowledges the effect of subliminal messaging and it's actual use by the advertising industry and probably also the propaganda departments of various usg agencies. Yes? No? Do you believe the usg uses subliminal messaging to effect the populace, at all? If so, can you provide an example or at least a theoretical example?