Against an Egyptian Origin of the Giza Pyramids

[apologydue]

Somehow this seems to fit the current discussion. I'm sure some of this is probably not new to RI folks but I find this reference to the golden ratio and "preserving the continuity of relationship as the means for retracing its lineage" really interesting. I have never really thought about the golden ratio as a means to trace heritage before. I understand the connotations it has with Fibonacci and breeding habits of animals but I have never considered the possibilities that Royal bloodlines may be using the golden mean ratio in a fashion that keeps their family lines golden. Have I just stumbled on to something?


This seems to hint at the thread about Jenna Bush describing Clinton "like a stepson" as well somehow. Lines of succession to power based on the golden mean ratio using the Fibonacci sequence for family breeding habits and woven into the fabric of society in an invisible way?...anyway its interesting.

The Golden Ratio


As such, it symbolically links each new generation to its ancestors, preserving the continuity of relationship as the means for retracing its lineage.

A chip off the old block?




The Golden Ratio

The golden ratio (a.k.a. phi ratio a.k.a. sacred cut a.k.a. golden mean a.k.a. divine proportion) is another fundamental measure that seems to crop up almost everywhere, including crops. (The golden ratio is about 1.618033988749894848204586834365638117720309180...) The golden ratio is the unique ratio such that the ratio of the whole to the larger portion is the same as the ratio of the larger portion to the smaller portion. As such, it symbolically links each new generation to its ancestors, preserving the continuity of relationship as the means for retracing its lineage.





The golden ratio (phi) has some unique properties and makes some interesting appearances:

* phi = phi^2 - 1; therefore 1 + phi = phi^2; phi + phi^2 = phi^3; phi^2 + phi^3= phi^4; ad infinitum.
* phi = (1 + square root(5)) / 2 from quadratic formula, 1 + phi = phi^2.
* phi = 1 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 1/(1 + 1/...)))))
* phi = 1 + square root(1 + square root(1 + square root(1 + square root(1 + square root(1 + ...)))))
* phi = (sec 72)/2 =(csc 18)/2 = 1/(2 cos 72) = 1/(2 sin 18) = 2 sin 54 = 2 cos 36 = 2/(csc 54) = 2/ (sec 36) for all you trigonometry enthusiasts.
* phi = the ratio of segments in a 5-pointed star (pentagram) considered sacred to Plato and Pythagoras in their mystery schools. Note that each larger (or smaller) section is related by the phi ratio, so that a power series of the golden ratio raised to successively higher (or lower) powers is automatically generated: phi, phi^2, phi^3, phi^4, phi^5, etc.





* phi = apothem to bisected base ratio in the Great Pyramid of Giza
* phi = ratio of adjacent terms of the famous Fibonacci Series evaluated at infinity; the Fibonacci Series is a rather ubiquitous set of numbers that begins with one and one and each term thereafter is the sum of the prior two terms, thus: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144... (interesting that the 12th term is 12 "raised to a higher power", which appears prominently in a vast collection of metaphysical literature)


The mathematician credited with the discovery of this series is Leonardo Pisano Fibonacci and there is a publication devoted to disseminating information about its unique mathematical properties, The Fibonacci Quarterly

Fibonacci ratios appear in the ratio of the number of spiral arms in daisies, in the chronology of rabbit populations, in the sequence of leaf patterns as they twist around a branch, and a myriad of places in nature where self-generating patterns are in effect. The sequence is the rational progression towards the irrational number embodied in the quintessential golden ratio.

This most aesthetically pleasing proportion, phi, has been utilized by numerous artists since (and probably before!) the construction of the Great Pyramid. As scholars and artists of eras gone by discovered (such as Leonardo da Vinci, Plato, and Pythagoras), the intentional use of these natural proportions in art of various forms expands our sense of beauty, balance and harmony to optimal effect. Leonardo da Vinci used the Golden Ratio in his painting of The Last Supper in both the overall composition (three vertical Golden Rectangles, and a decagon (which contains the golden ratio) for alignment of the central figure of Jesus.

The outline of the Parthenon at the Acropolis near Athens, Greece is enclosed by a Golden Rectangle by design.

[seemslikeadream]

Have you watched these vids apologydue?

[apologydue]

I'm not sure if I have seen these or not. I have seen so many I cannot remember. Its a cool vid though. Thanks you for recommending it. If I ever saw it seems new to me now! I am enjoying it. I really like stuff like this.

He references Dan Winter. I have had several conversations with Dan Winter and he is a really cool dude. I have all of Dan's dvd's and books. Like anyone else I learn from i'm not sure if everything Dan says is correct but I have tremendous respect for his intellect and gentle nature. I wish Dan's dvd set was better at breaking the esoterics out of the geometry but I learned a lot from them. I have his heart tuner too but the software never liked my computer and I could not get it working properly.

I bet Bruce Rawles would be a neat guy to talk to.

[Sepka]

I think he's alluding to racism, generally. Many of these alternative explanations seem to seek to discredit the historical achievements or antecedents of dark-skinned races, eg., the alien origins of mankind rather than out-of-africa theories; the ancient metropolis found in South Africa, Egyptians didn't build the pryamids, etc.

The problem with the orthodox versions of the Pyramids and the Great Zimbabwe is that it requires one to believe that remarkable practical and theoretical skills in stonemasonry arose and were perfected in the course of a single generation, and were then slowly forgotten by succeeding generations, who built simpler and simpler structures as the knowledge of how and why the megaliths were built was entirely forgotten. It doesn't seem a likely story. The alternative, which is that the crude structures generally ascribed as latest are in fact earlier, experimental structures, raises serious problems of its own. The idea that the builders were directed by some outside agency, human or otherwise, and then slowly lost skills which they understood practically but not theoretically, seems to be the one that best fits the known facts.

[barracuda]

The Great Zimbabwe is a fine example of just what I'm talking about.

Martin Hall writes that the history of Iron Age research south of the Zambezi shows the prevalent influence of colonial ideologies, both in the earliest speculations about the nature of the African past and in the adaptations that have been made to contemporary archeological methodologies. When European colonialists like Cecil Rhodes first saw the ruins, it was seen as a sign of the great riches that the area would yield to its new masters. When it was finally proven that the builders were Africans, the site was then characterized as "product of an infantile mind" built by a subjugated society. The Rhodesian government confirmed this condescending view and refused to accept that Great Zimbabwe could have been a product of internal processes, but rather had to be the result of outside stimulus. Thus the official line in colonial Rhodesia was that the structures were built by non-blacks. According to Paul Sinclair, interviewed for None But Ourselves:

I was the archaeologist stationed at Great Zimbabwe. I was told by the then-director of the Museums and Monuments organization to be extremely careful about talking to the press about the origins of the [Great] Zimbabwe state. I was told that the museum service was in a difficult situation, that the government was pressurizing them to withhold the correct information. Censorship of guidebooks, museum displays, school textbooks, radio programes, newspapers and films was a daily occurrence. Once a member of the Museum Board of Trustees threatened me with losing my job if I said publicly that blacks had built Zimbabwe. He said it was okay to say the yellow people had built it, but I wasn't allowed to mention radio carbon dates... It was the first time since Germany in the thirties that archaeology has been so directly censored.

[Simulist]

I think he's alluding to racism, generally. Many of these alternative explanations seem to seek to discredit the historical achievements or antecedents of dark-skinned races, eg., the alien origins of mankind rather than out-of-africa theories; the ancient metropolis found in South Africa, Egyptians didn't build the pryamids, etc.

The problem with the orthodox versions of the Pyramids and the Great Zimbabwe is that it requires one to believe that remarkable practical and theoretical skills in stonemasonry arose and were perfected in the course of a single generation, and were then slowly forgotten by succeeding generations, who built simpler and simpler structures as the knowledge of how and why the megaliths were built was entirely forgotten. It doesn't seem a likely story. The alternative, which is that the crude structures generally ascribed as latest are in fact earlier, experimental structures, raises serious problems of its own. The idea that the builders were directed by some outside agency, human or otherwise, and then slowly lost skills which they understood practically but not theoretically, seems to be the one that best fits the known facts.

You're presenting a cogent, well-articulated argument; unfortunately, a lot of people out there who think that an outside agency (human or otherwise) built the pyramids aren't as deep-thinking and erudite as you. Some of them almost certainly presume that black folks couldn't possibly have engineered the pyramids because "well of course they're black! — and, well, everybody knows that 'them people' aren't capable of doing much of anything important..."

Which of course is stupid and, unfortunately, not at all uncommon.

[seemslikeadream]

'Java Man' takes age to extremes
New dating of Indonesian strata produces unexpected results By Bruce Bower Web edition : Friday, April 16th, 2010 Text Size
ALBUQUERQUE — New age estimates for Homo erectus fossils on the Indonesian island of Java have physical anthropologists scratching their crania.

After convincing most of their colleagues that H. erectus may have persisted on the Indonesian island of Java as recently as 30,000 years ago — late enough to have coexisted in Asia with modern humans for more than 100,000 years — anthropologists presented new analyses April 14 suggesting the fossils in question may actually predate Homo sapiens by hundreds of thousands of years.

It all depends which radiometric method you use to assess the fossils’ age, New York University anthropologist Susan Antón reported at the annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists.

Antón and an Indonesian colleague lead a team that first announced in 1996 that sediment at two H. erectus sites on Java dates to between 50,000 and 30,000 years ago. Those “remarkably young” dates, based on analyses of radioactive elements in fossil-bearing sediment, suggest that H. erectus survived well into the era dominated by modern humans, Antón said. Many researchers now accept those dates.

But a new analysis, based on measurements of radioactive argon’s decay in volcanic rock above and below the fossils, puts H. erectus’ age on Java at roughly 550,000 years. It’s not clear why these estimates differ so dramatically and which one is more accurate, Antón said.

“It’s confusing right now, but I suspect that Homo erectus’ age on Java is still relatively young,” said Christopher Stringer of London’s Natural History Museum. A new analysis of sediment on Java suggests that animal fossils on the island date to between 200,000 and 150,000 years ago, providing a possible framework for when H. erectus lived there, he added.