Perv scanner refusenik gets TSA Catch-22, audio goes viral

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Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:18 pm

Still trying really, really hard to smile at something that horrifies me -- TSA Pat-downs Inspires SNL & The TSA Hustle rap video. Tried to explain to uncomprehending friends on facebook how upsetting it is for someone like me, who's just now learning to set boundaries, to face public groping/being virtually stripped naked. Trying to imagine what it would be like to have this be a funny issue, too...

A close friend flew the day after we did, but from OAK's main terminal and she couldn't go through the scanner due to an implanted medical device, so ended up getting the genital groping instead. It didn't bother her that much, she claims, but I'm having difficulty believing that, which, admittedly, might just be due to my own horror at the thought of it. But I wonder whether this will turn out to be another case where survivors of sexual abuse evoke eye-rolling from the rest of society if we complain...?

At this point, if I thought it would help, I'd get down on my knees and pray that the ACLU and/or public outrage shuts down this invasion of privacy before we fly back.

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Re: Perv scanner refusenik gets TSA Catch-22, audio goes vir

Postby beeline » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:28 pm

A close friend flew the day after we did, but from OAK's main terminal and she couldn't go through the scanner due to an implanted medical device, so ended up getting the genital groping instead. It didn't bother her that much, she claims


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Crotchgrabbing? That's nothing compared to the eventual anal probe.
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Re: Perv scanner refusenik gets TSA Catch-22, audio goes vir

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:52 pm

beeline wrote:
stefano wrote:
Seamus OBlimey wrote:Am I reading it wrong or is the OP suggesting Mr. Tynon has a small penis?

Surely if he was confident in his size he'd be happy to wave it in their faces, right?

Probably not.
Shahrukh Khan autographed pictures that security staff took of him in one of those scanners and seized the opportunity to hint at his dick size... He said: "It makes you embarrassed – if you're not well endowed. [...] Then I saw these girls – they had these printouts. I looked at them. I thought they were some forms you had to fill. I said 'give them to me' – and you could see everything inside. So I autographed them for them.”

Not really the reaction one would hope for...

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National Opt-Out day ain't gonna do shit. Obviously the proper tactic here is to submit to the invasive search and then litigate. Litigate the fuck out of that shit. Accuse the people who touched you of rape, molestation, assault, etc. etc. Sue them in civil court. Get together a thousand fondled men and women and go for a class action. Demand a bajillion googleplex dollars for emotional harm. Tie up every TSA official in depositions and whatnot for the next thirty years. Require ACT clearances and their by-state equivalents of every screener. Demand citizen review boards. Keep shitting in the same toilet until the goddamn pipes explode.


I propose "National Opt-Out with a Boner Day." It's simple really, look at some porn on your mobile device while waiting in line, get a huge boner, and have the TSA guy feel you up. I guaran-goddamn-tee a large percentage of these screeners are straight and somewhat homophobic, and would quit their jobs after two hard-ons.


That's what I was thinking. Abstinence, combined with some tough-guy-gay-chicken ("Come on homo, just touch my junk! What, are you afraid you'll get a boner! Yeah you like my boner don't you! Haha you're such a homo!") would work for at least one of the kind of guys who apply for jobs with the TSA.
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Postby psynapz » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:48 pm

Simulist wrote:"Yes We Scan!"

"I submit to routine genital searches at the airport... AND I VOTE!"
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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:00 pm

I've noticed that conservative-friends-of-my-progressive-friends on Facebook are making a lot of noise about privileges and rights terrorism. Seems to be a lot of support for the scanners out there amongst the…I don't know how to classify them…rockabilly conservatives? You know the type.
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Postby norton ash » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:09 pm

I know the type. The ones who think that everything good comes out of Amurrica, terrorists are brown people from somewhere else, and TSA is just more good tough-on-crime law enforcement.
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:09 pm

I've found myself caught in the vortex of reading comments from around the web about this. Here's one choice comment that should settle it all, found on slashdot:

Try explaining to a preschooler how much "crap" is his fear of the two big stranger taking him away from visibly upset Mommy and Daddy and then touching him in ways that would get 15 years to life for anyone else who did it. Better yet, try explaining that to Mommy and Daddy.


http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/11/22/1 ... ectionable

There is much civil liberties goodness from a tech and libertarian angle to be found in the comments of the above thread.
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Postby Simulist » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:19 pm

Surely someone (besides us) is studying the question of "Just how much crap will the American public take from the ruling corporate-state?" And it's a little surprising to me that people haven't reached that threshold long, long ago.

Maybe we're pushing up against that point now, but I'm not sure.

Americans are pretty resilient at giving their full cooperation to their oppressors. ("Stockholm Syndrome" really needs a North American name-change.)
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:43 pm

Why TSA Molesters Are Striking a Nerve
by Ted Rall
"Don't touch my junk!" Will this be the battle cry of the next American Revolution?

If you think about it, it's amazing. Why this? But thinking doesn't have anything to do with it. There's a good reason. Which we'll get to.

"This," of course, is the intrusive new security-screening regimen at 68 major U.S. airports. You can walk through one of the new "backscatter" body-image X-ray scanners, suck up 2.4 microrems of radiation, and live with the knowledge that a high-res version of your nude flabby body is being stored on some government database so that the Palin Administration will be able to kill you for food and use your cyborg doppelganger as a slave laborer in the living hell that will be the year 2015.

Or you can choose the pat-down. But think twice. By all accounts, the pat-down procedure is thorough. Extremely thorough.

"I didn't really expect her to touch my vagina through my pants," schoolteacher Kaya McLaren, an elementary schoolteacher from Washington state told The New York Times about her experience at Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. What prompted this feel-up? "The body scanner detected a tissue and a hair band in her pocket," reported The Times.

Verily, the end times draw nigh. The New York Times is talking dirty.

A visit to the TSA's official blog (blog.tsa.gov) furthers the impression that the Obama Administration has jumped the security shark. One citizen asks: "Is touching the genitals a mandatory or discretionary part of the pat-down? Will the screener give notice and ask for consent prior to touching the breasts, vagina, penis or scrotum?" Another asks: "Can they spread the buttocks to feel if something is concealed between them? Can they move the penis or testicles aside to see if something is strapped to a man's leg? Can they lift up breasts to feel underneath them?"

There's something terribly wrong when a federal government website gets too racy for online parental control software.

CNN's Rosemary Fitzpatrick reported that an airport screener "ran her hands around her breasts, over her stomach, buttocks and her inner thighs, and briefly touched her crotch." In Charlotte a flight attendant was ordered to remove and display her prosthetic breast.

It's happening to guys too. Men wearing baggy pants report TSA personnel, some of whom are convicted rapists and child molesters, sticking their hands down their trousers and ferreting out their naughty bits. In a bit of surrealism recalling my "Al Kidda" cartoon (in which terrorists take advantage of the fact that children aren't required to show ID to board a plane) there are now YouTube videos showing little kids getting felt up by the TSA.

TSA workers at Miami Airport got caught passing around printed scans of a man they deemed to fall short in the male endowment department. A 61-year-old cancer survivor from Michigan wound up "humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers" at the Detroit Airport. The oafs broke the seal on his urostomy bag.

There was, naturally, no apology. Remember the good old days of the early 2000s, when the only thing the TSA did was announce their favorite color of the day?

Of all the indignities inflicted upon the flying public since 9/11, the radiation/molestation combo strikes me as relatively minor. I'm still scarred by the sight of the young Iraq War vet in front of me at Kansas City airport security. Both of his legs had been lost in an IED blast in the Middle East. Instead of respect or a free pass at the metal detector, TSA goons repeatedly grilled and humiliated him about the titanium in his body.

Contrast this with Iran. Yes, Iran. As at security checkpoints throughout the country, I was waved past the checkpoint at Tehran's Ayatollah Kholmeni International Airport in August as soon as I presented my U.S. passport. As guests, foreigners are not subject to most bag searches. Not even citizens of the Great Satan.

Don't touch our special parts, but feel free to poke around our frontal lobes.

If Richard Nixon had been accused of listening to every American's phone calls and reading their mail, there would have been riots. But that's exactly what the National Security Agency has been doing since 9/11. Bush started it; Obama made it official. They're reading your email and listening to your phone calls and tracking your bank statements. It's a fact. And no one cares.

Personally, I'd rather have the government touch my junk than rape my brain.

Now that they're feeling up our privates at the airport--with, truth be told, considerably more justification than the NSA has for reading your Facebook status updates--the American people are freaking out.

Which should come as little surprise to Obama's pet louts at the TSA.

The United States, after all, was founded by Puritans. The folks we're celebrating this week were religious fanatics, prudes, crazy repressed and so far off the charts that they were too uptight to get along with the British. Immigration has helped loosen us up, but that's still our national culture.

I had hoped that when the revolution came, it would be about economic injustice or torture or racism. But, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you don't revolt with the revolutionaries you wish you had. If this is the beginning of the end, so be it.

Say it all together: Don't touch my junk!
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Postby 82_28 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:24 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Jack Gould be trollin' hards.


Yeah, he is. This shit stinks to high heaven. All of it.

Schneier has a good post with lots and lots of links, btw. More info and stuff in the comments too.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2 ... atter.html

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Re: Perv scanner refusenik gets TSA Catch-22, audio goes vir

Postby Nordic » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:32 pm

Simulist wrote:Surely someone (besides us) is studying the question of "Just how much crap will the American public take from the ruling corporate-state?" And it's a little surprising to me that people haven't reached that threshold long, long ago.

Maybe we're pushing up against that point now, but I'm not sure.

Americans are pretty resilient at giving their full cooperation to their oppressors. ("Stockholm Syndrome" really needs a North American name-change.)



I was gonna write that.

Sometimes it seems you're my sockpuppet.

That being said, when I was a kid, flying somewhere, probably from Germany to the UK? On my way back to the States? I don't remember ..... There was a big security issue and we all had to be frisked. I got my 11 year old ass frisked by some guy in a tent-like area in the airport. Yes, he touched my crotch, very briefly, very professionally. None of us at the time thought it was a very big deal, or maybe I was being led to think that way, I don't remember. It wasn't in this country, so I didn't think much of it.

But in America? Isn't the 4th Amendment clearly about this sort of thing?

Guess those days are over.
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Postby Project Willow » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:29 pm

Simulist wrote:Surely someone (besides us) is studying the question of "Just how much crap will the American public take from the ruling corporate-state?" And it's a little surprising to me that people haven't reached that threshold long, long ago.

Maybe we're pushing up against that point now, but I'm not sure.

Americans are pretty resilient at giving their full cooperation to their oppressors. ("Stockholm Syndrome" really needs a North American name-change.)


I am watching the reactions very closely and I am deeply concerned about a majority acquiescence to these violations. If we have reached a tipping point however, it is obviously because these intrusions are very personal, physical, and affect a great many people. Plus the memory of the fear that forced previous concessions has become faint. Other rights violations come to most people as imagined potential scenarios or as treatment of the brown people down the street or overseas. They can't see their email being read (although I had an entire batch show up 3 days after they were sent a couple weeks ago) and most don't expect they'll ever step outside the lines far enough to face the new restrictions.

LilyPat, I don't think the searches are just an issue for SA survivors, I think rather the opposite, that people who are not offended may be shut down in various ways or they are able or choose to rationalize unpleasant experiences away.

Bottom line for me, until these procedures are changed, I shall not fly.
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Postby norton ash » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:32 am

Sex Writer Strips Down to Panties Before Entering TSA Checkpoint

Oh, Laod, I think this is more a case of publicity whore than a worthwhile or meaningful protest...

Damn, though, I'm a puritan Canadian. Shamelessness vexes me.
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Re: Perv scanner refusenik gets TSA Catch-22, audio goes vir

Postby lupercal » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:03 am

Anyone else get a whiff of BS from the viral videos? Here's what I noticed:

1. "Touch my junk" guy - rehearsed line à la "don't tase me bro"; pretty clearly planned.

2. The 3-year old screaming "don't touch me" -- restrained by her mother and filmed by her freakin' father, an Eyewitness News liar.

3. The SLC kid -- looks bad, but the kid was singled out for a pat down (by whom?) and what do ya know, the dad pulled off the jacket which happened to be attached to the shirt leaving the kid naked. Does the goon grope the goods? Hard to tell, but I vote no, and the camera guy's story smells fishy.

Who, what or why I don't know, but clueless O stepped right in the cow patty a couple of nights ago along with fellow stooges Napolitano (no great loss) and mystery man Pistole whom I have yet to actually see or hear.
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