THE MEN WHO KILLED PRESIDENT KENNEDY

[slomo]

I am curious, as a matter of discernment, how did you come to the conclusion that the "white light" was really the Devil? How do you believe Jesus would have presented Himself, and what do you believe He would have done or asked of you?

Thank you for responding to my weird post. There have been quite a few instances in my life where it seems, and I have been told by others, that I have an unusually powerful sense of "discernment," so I was interested to see you use that term. But in this story of my own life--which has always seemed to me to be a critical doorway--I don't trust my discernment at all.

I'm a religious Catholic. The event occurred about a month into my sobering up for the first time, and I was generally in a "pink cloud" of spiritual growth. For about the first time in my adult life, I was doing a lot of running and other exercises, to detoxify. I came back from a several mile run, had a couple of hits of average pot, and suddenly I was launched into the "Akashic records." This wasn't the drug. I've smoked pot many hundreds of times, often at much greater doses and strengths. This was a visitation.

At the time, I sincerely thought it was Jesus inviting me into paradise. I had a petty reason for declining the invitation. Although I had just been tempted with my heart's desire--universal knowledge--I was also dominated by the thought that I hadn't slept with enough women yet! So my thought was, wow! what a great offer, but later please! That's pretty ignominious, but it's the truth.

The temptation has never returned in almost 30 years. I was given a choice, and I made it. I often think about this.

As to your question, I have not "concluded" that it was the Devil. But the more I think about it--and pick up hints from things I read along the way--more and more I think that Jesus doesn't operate like that, while the Devil does. It is well known in scripture that the Devil comes in robes of light. I actually now think that the evil one was trying to trick me into a strange kind of suicide, which is something that is very common in my family (at least 7 close relatives).

But I can't prove this, of course. The whole thing just creeps me out.

That's quite a bit of an answer, but it only scratches the surface.

Thanks again for asking. I'm kind of lonely for answers on things like this.

Well that is fascinating. You always hear about the doorway and the white light and the feeling of joy and peace. But I am aware that in ordinary "waking" life, all kinds of good and bad emotions come and go, having nothing to do with long-term outcomes. So I always wonder, what's on the other side of the white light, if anything? The potential for trickery is infinite. But trust is not my strong suit, I can be paranoid. It has been suggested in some corners of the online world that the discarnate entities that speak through mediums are not really the true spirits of the dead, but rather jinn (I avoid using the value-laden word "demon") who are reading the Akashic record.

It could drive you crazy to think about it, so in the end you just have to listen to your inner voice and do the best you can.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Kennedy killed in a coup by reich-wing militarists...not your personal mysticism, puh-leeze.

[streeb]

Justdrew wrote:

I don't get it. guy writes a huge book all about LBJ connection with that part anecdote being one of the main well known pieces of evidence, and ALL ALONG there was an exculpatory photograph in existence. I suppose the author didn't know about this photo ahead of spending what years writing that book? Where and when did this photograph come to light?

I'm not sure to be honest and I've never seen it. But really, I don't consider that an important detail set against the wild speculation and basic implausibility of the Murchison party story. As Barracuda wrote, it requires a lot of running around the countryside, and not just for LBJ, either. You also have to get his mistress, Nixon, Hoover, Clyde Tolson, HL Hunt, and John McCloy there, somehow. And for what? So they could all toast evil? It's just silly.

Maybe the author wasn't too concerned with exculpatory anything.

[foistlastus]

"After studying the Zapruder film for nearly 20 years, I've come to the conclusion that the only person verified to have the access and angle to have delivered the fatal gunshot to JFK was Jackie Kennedy. The telltale sign is right before his head explodes, where she moves forward with something in her hand."
http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

[JackRiddler]

"After studying the Zapruder film for nearly 20 years, I've come to the conclusion that the only person verified to have the access and angle to have delivered the fatal gunshot to JFK was Jackie Kennedy. The telltale sign is right before his head explodes, where she moves forward with something in her hand."
http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

We may finally have a winner. That's going to be hard to top. John Hankey's 13-shot volley, the umbrella-activated flechette and even the limo driver turning around with a silenced pistol all pale in comparison. After 47 years, this may finally be the non-plus-ultra, the JFK Webfairy Moment. Things did move slower in those days.

But in all this, where's JFK's left hand? They say he's clutching at his throat, but just before his head explodes, he might be reaching for something inside his front jacket. A pen gun? In that final moment, perhaps Jackie's hand motion is trying to block him. Are you sure we can rule out suicide?

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[sunny]

even the limo driver turning around with a silenced pistol

I am embarrassed to admit that I believed this for a while. I truly thought I could see it on the Z film.

[MinM]

even the limo driver turning around with a silenced pistol

I am embarrassed to admit that I believed this for a while. I truly thought I could see it on the Z film.

20 minutes into this clip...



Jim DiEugenio explains how Bill Cooper purposely used a poor quality, grainy copy of the Zapruder film to fool people into believing that it was a gun in the drivers hand.

[justdrew]

"After studying the Zapruder film for nearly 20 years, I've come to the conclusion that the only person verified to have the access and angle to have delivered the fatal gunshot to JFK was Jackie Kennedy. The telltale sign is right before his head explodes, where she moves forward with something in her hand."
http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

We may finally have a winner. That's going to be hard to top. John Hankey's 13-shot volley, the umbrella-activated flechette and even the limo driver turning around with a silenced pistol all pale in comparison. After 47 years, this may finally be the non-plus-ultra, the JFK Webfairy Moment. Things did move slower in those days.

But in all this, where's JFK's left hand? They say he's clutching at his throat, but just before his head explodes, he might be reaching for something inside his front jacket. A pen gun? In that final moment, perhaps Jackie's hand motion is trying to block him. Are you sure we can rule out suicide?

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yep, clearly suicide.

nothing to see here folks. it had to be covered up, but now the truth is out.

[chump]

Most people don't care about this stuff. But, about this time every year the PTB throw the public another deflection as to how this crime was supposedly achieved; and then debunk it - ineffectively - for those who might watch. Did anyone happen to watch the History Channel last night? LHO did it alone.

It is amazing how the modus operandi of media management evolved into 911; and how it all connects. Like Hugh said: Blame it on a dead guy. For those who are really trying to figure it out, the message is clear: The PTB made it happen. There are some ruthless motherfuckers in the world. They got all the money, and they treat everyone else like shit. They got away with it. Get used to it. There's nothing we can do. (One could even get hurt trying) That's the way it is.

Boy, if there is an "Akashic Record" where the truth is stored in a holographic library, bring it on. I sense that an awareness of the truth is somewhere, out there, in some metaphysical realm, a collective consciousness, a higher dimension, or deep within. Some feelings are universal. For instance, don't expect me to like you if you're jerking me around. You know when you're doing the right thing, or when the right thing for you is the wrong thing for everybody else... and vice versa.

I'm still hopeful that, some day, everyone will treat each other and the world with respect. But, here we are, being herded like cattle to feed the breed who just can't get enough. So I try to find refuge with the people and animals I get along with, and try not to be greedy. Growing up in the optimism of the sixties, I never expected that the future would be like this. I can't help but to think that I'm the problem; focusing on the wrong things, watching too much TV, and letting the wonder of life slip by. That's why I try not to dwell on this shit for too long, but sometimes I still do. It's like this three day headache. It's something that I have to get through. So...

Sillly!

Is it winky dink to speculate that the principals of the JFK assasination may have felt the need to shake hands, look each other in the eye and make sure that everybody's on the same page before giving the final go ahead on a earthshaking, history making coup? Is it kooky that the spookys might want Vice President Johnson to appear in Ft .Worth rather than at Clint Murchison's party? Where was George again? Dallas? Houston? Tyler? Ohh, it's so complicated. But, that is what they do! Geez, if you can think about it, chances are a number of books have already been written on the subject - mostly disinformation! A person could spend a lifetime deciphering the minutia of a long past moment in time. Meanwhile the rest of the world is moving on.

Nevertheless, I am curious about that photograph you mentioned. I've read about it, and I think I may have even seen it, but let it go. If you know where it is I'd appreciate it if you'd post it here. Because, I'm pretty sure that there was a Party, and that LBJ was there.

[fruhmenschen]

Okay, here is a thread where the original poster is utterly full of crap, and where I myself know why, and more.

1. Johnson had nothing to do with the JFK murder. That is a terrible lie. JFK was killed on the order of New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello. I know this from conversations with my mentor, an extremely high level DOJ official, who was at one time the top immigration law adviser to JFK and RFK.

Marcello was one of the worst mafia dons in U.S. history. He was notorious for personally eliminating his enemies by lowering them by chain into barrels of lye, as he watched them being dissolved and screaming in pain.

He was an "illegal alien" (although I deplore that term). He was born in Sicily, and his parents never did anything to regularize his immigration status in the United States. The U.S. government was pissed at him since he had hired the best U.S. immigration lawyer of all time, Jack Wasserman, who kept kicking the government's ass in court.

So JFK and RFK put a job on him. They had him picked up by the CIA at night and flown to a remote airfield in the jungles of Guatemala, where they just kicked him off the plane. If I remember correctly, he was already in his 50s at this time. He walked by himself all the way through the jungles of Guatemala and Mexico, and up through Mexico, dodging poisonous snakes, alligators, and so forth. And he crossed the border illegally into the United States with a burning hatred.

Remember Jack Ruby? The bar owner who killed Lee Harvey Oswald right after he was arrested. He was a made man in the Marcello mob in New Orleans.

2. The Akashic Records? Yes, they are true. I've had a handful of mystical experiences in my life. The most dramatic was a time when I was at my desk in a revery, in 1982. Let me stop...I've written about this before...not going to tell all details now. There are many more details needed to flesh out the experience. But here is the core:

I had a near-death experience, although I was in good health at the time, at age 27. I fell into a trance and was shown the Akashic records. They exist. It is a gigantic holographic database of EVERYTHING. Perhaps one can access that in Heaven. One thinks of a question and has EVERYTHING related instantly available, in all sensory and analytical modalities. (I'm not going to do so now, but my recollection of this is MUCH more detailed than this quick summary.)

In this revery I was tempted...pulled down the tunnel of death toward the "light" (a glowing being that at the time I thought was Jesus, but now I think was probably the Devil) and offered ALL OF THAT KNOWLEDGE (which had always been my big goal, to learn everything) if I would go on down the tunnel into the "light".

I said HELL NO! and erupted out of my dream, although I had been sorely tempted.

This was not a "dream." I'm hoping to find someday what it really was.

My referencing the Akashic records earlier was to let the bad guys know there is a record of the people involved in assassinating Kennedy.
Nothing more, nothing less. Yesterday I found myself re-reading VOICES OF SPIRIT by Professor Charles Hapgood. Professor Hapgood
studied the trance medium Elwood Babbitt who lived in Orange, Mass. A film was made about Babbitt in the early 1970's called VOICES OF THE SPIRIT.
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVHh_qVaIWc
Elwood Babbitt channeled for Charles Hapgood for close to 10 years. Entities like Einstein, Mark Twain, and President Kennedy came through Babbitt in 1967.
I re-read the Kennedy material and was amazed about the accuracy of his predictions regarding Nixon and Johnson. I was also amazed at his lack of knowledge about who
assassinated him when it came to Johnson. Kennedy talked at length about squandering the Presidency.
I consider myself an amateur when it comes to the Kennedy assassination, picking up bits and pieces along my path.
I also think Kennedy's assassination had a cast of hundreds . The Mafia role in the hit was examined by John Davis in his book Mafia Kingfish.
Robert Maheu was a former FBI agent who retired from the FBI to work for Howard Hughes in Las Vegas. Maheu acted as a liason between the Mafia and CIA
for hits performed at home and abroad. The book SPOOKS by Jim Hougan details the work of Maheu.


Retired FBI agent speaking about JFK’s assassination

COPLEY — Copley High School (CHS), the CHS Key Club and Copley-Fairlawn Kiwanis Club will sponsor a program titled “Investigating the John F. Kennedy Assassination.”

The program will take place Nov. 22 in the CHS auditorium. Refreshments will be available at 6 p.m., and the presentation will begin at 6:30 p.m. Nov. 22 is the 47th anniversary of Kennedy’s assassination.Retired FBI Special Agent Don Adams will be the speaker. Adams contends Lee Harvey Oswald is not the man who shot Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.


For more information, call 330-664-4823. see link for full story
http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-educati ... ?aID=10808

[82_28]

Goddamn, that was well put, Chump. I'm going to read that over and over for awhile.

[Wilbur Whatley]

to fruhmenschen
Baloney.

It was a mob hit, and you can't disprove the reality.

[Skunkboy]

chump said:

Is it winky dink to speculate that the principals of the JFK assasination may have felt the need to shake hands, look each other in the eye and make sure that everybody's on the same page before giving the final go ahead on a earthshaking, history making coup? Is it kooky that the spookys might want Vice President Johnson to appear in Ft .Worth rather than at Clint Murchison's party? Where was George again? Dallas? Houston? Tyler? Ohh, it's so complicated. But, that is what they do! Geez, if you can think about it, chances are a number of books have already been written on the subject - mostly disinformation! A person could spend a lifetime deciphering the minutia of a long past moment in time. Meanwhile the rest of the world is moving on.

Well said chump... and the black magic acts, just get bigger and bigger, as history marches on. JFK, RFK, MLK, 9/11... It just gets better and better. I can hardly wait to see what is up on the design tables of these Lucifer worshiping, child molesting, sociopaths. FWIW, the JFK murder started the avalanche of shit that has been gaining speed since 1963, and is now raining down on everyone's heads today. Peter Dale Scott ties in the similarities between JFK and 9/11 very well.

JFK, 9/11 and War

By Dr. Peter Dale Scott
August 18, 2007
In American history there are two types of event: ordinary events which the information systems of the country can understand and establish. There are also deep events, or meta-events, which the mainstream information systems of the country cannot digest. I mean by a �deep event� an event in which it is clear from the outset that there are aspects which will not be dealt with in the mainstream media, and will be studied only by those so-called �conspiracy theorists� who specialize in deep history.

The events I shall discuss today exhibit continuities with each other and with other deep events, notably the Iran-Contra affair of the mid 1980s and the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995. But the three I shall discuss today � the JFK assassination, the initial Watergate break-ins, and 9/11 � are outstanding in this respect: that while they were attributed to insignificant and very marginal people, they had momentous impact, far more than most daily events by more important people, in redirecting American history. 1

If history is what is recorded, then deep history is the sum of events which tend to be officially obscured or even suppressed in traditional books and media. Important recent deep events include the political assassinations of the 1960s, Watergate, Iran-Contra, and now 9/11. All these deep events have involved what I call the deep state, that part of the state which is not publicly accountable, and pursues its goals by means which will not be approved by a public examination. The CIA (with its on-going relationships to drug-traffickers) is an obvious aspect of the deep state, but not the only one, perhaps not even the dirtiest.

When I talk of a deep state, this term (as opposed to others, like deep politics), is not my own invention. It is a translation of the Turkish gizli devlet, or derin devlet, a term used to describe the networks revealed by the so-called Susurluk incident of 1996, when the victims traveling together in what became a deadly car crash were identified as "an MP, a police chief, a beauty queen and her lover, a top Turkish gangster and hitman called Abdullah Catli.� The giveaway was that �Catli, a heroin trafficker on Interpol's wanted list, was carrying a diplomatic passport signed by none other than the Turkish Interior Minister himself.� 2 He was carrying narcotics with him at the time of the crash. 3

The study of these deep events has slowly become more respectable in the almost half-century since the JFK assassination. A major reason has been the emergence of the Internet and other forms of new media, where the same deep events tend to get far more extensive treatment. 4 If the new media come in time to prevail over the priorities of the old, it is possible that we will see a paradigm shift with respect to what is appropriate for serious public discourse.

What I have learned over the years is that it is helpful to look at all these deep events together. This is true for both external reasons (how the nation and its media handle deep history) and for internal reasons (the content of deep events themselves).

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 3214130200

I sometimes feel like the coyote in the roadrunner cartoons, sitting there with my broken umbrella over my head, as the huge boulder flys down the canyon. Other times, like tonight at work, give me a little spark of hope. My coworker, who I never had any idea was the least bit political, said to me, "Did you guys see Jesse Ventura's show about 9/11? Did you know there was a third tower that went down?" I looked at my other coworker, who two weeks ago saw the movie Zeitgeist, and told me that he thought that 9/11 was a crock of shit. For about five minutes, we had a very intense conversation about 9/11, gravity and free fall, MLK, Vietnam and Iraq. I can hardly wait to go back to work.

[streeb]

Is it winky dink to speculate that the principals of the JFK assasination may have felt the need to shake hands, look each other in the eye and make sure that everybody's on the same page before giving the final go ahead on a earthshaking, history making coup?

Yep, it's winky dink. Also illogical, ignorant, sensational, and utterly insulting to the serious research community. But hey, Jim Fetzer insists it happened.

[brainpanhandler]

Retired FBI agent speaking about JFK’s assassination

COPLEY — Copley High School (CHS), the CHS Key Club and Copley-Fairlawn Kiwanis Club will sponsor a program titled “Investigating the John F. Kennedy Assassination.”

The program will take place Nov. 22 in the CHS auditorium. Refreshments will be available at 6 p.m., and the presentation will begin at 6:30 p.m. Nov. 22 is the 47th anniversary of Kennedy’s assassination.Retired FBI Special Agent Don Adams will be the speaker. Adams contends Lee Harvey Oswald is not the man who shot Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.


For more information, call 330-664-4823. see link for full story
http://www.akron.com/akron-ohio-educati ... ?aID=10808

No offense to you fruh, but I can't let this pass.... Don Adams? You've got to be kidding.