suss website

[jfshade]

Why?
Why would the government employ dozens of people around the clock to target one individual? I ask this sincerely as that's the part that never made any sense to me.

Rather I would ask, "Is such an operation feasible, and are there historical precedents?" The immense effort undertaken by the GDR's Stasi to surveil and harass the East German populace is an obvious point of reference, a more massive undertaking relative to population size than any other I can think of. Tactics ranged from bizarre psychological games like breaking into a person's empty house to steal a shoe or something from the pantry, on up to assassination.

Consider the case of Ulrike Poppe - just one of hundreds of thousands who were watched very closely - targeted because she helped found a fairly innocuous and non-violent group called "Women For Peace."

Poppe learned to recognize many of the men assigned to tail her each day. They had crew cuts and never wore jeans or sneakers. Sometimes they took pictures of her on the sidewalk, or they piled into a white sedan and drove 6 feet behind her as she walked down the street. Officers waited around the clock in cars parked outside her top-floor apartment. After one of her neighbors tipped her off, she found a bug drilled from the attic of the building into the ceiling plaster of her living room.

When the wall fell, the Stasi fell with it. The new government, determined to bring to light the agency's totalitarian tactics, created a special commission to give victims access to their personal files. Poppe and her husband were among the first people in Germany allowed into the archives. On January 3, 1992, she sat in front of a cart loaded with 40 binders dedicated to "Circle 2" — her codename, it turned out. In the 16 years since, the commission has turned up 20 more Circle 2 binders on her.

The pages amounted to a minute-by-minute account of Poppe's life, seen from an unimaginable array of angles. Video cameras were installed in the apartment across the street. Her friends' bedrooms were bugged and their conversations about her added to the file. Agents investigated the political leanings of her classmates from middle school and opened all of her mail. "They really tried to capture everything," she says. "Most of it was just junk."

So I certainly can't dismiss what Jeremy posits on the grounds that it is either impossible or unprecedented; though the targeting he describes seems more efficient, subtle and sophisticated by orders of magnitude when compared to the Stasi's. And apparently much more tightly focused.

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[crikkett]

Please consider sticking around, or at least malingering about.

tee hee

[nathan28]

Two sets of answers for the price of one.

In fact, what I do find with the query ""mind control" phoenix" are two late '90s pages that suggest that Phoenix started with the work of Wilhelm Reich and involved by the mid '80s time travel.

Okay, let's do this. You mention some of your life experiences (assuming you have any worth talking about), and some stuff you've studied and found interesting, and I'll use Google to find a page covering some of the same material written by an obvious loon. (It's a variation of Rule 34: if you can talk about it, there's someone crazy writing about it.) Then I'll point and laugh and say, "Look! This person is crazy, therefore everything you're talking about is nonsense!"

If you think this is a reasonable debate tactic, have fun on the Internets; just stay out of this thread. If you don't, then reconsider what you wrote.

You can call for moderation if you want.

In any event, my contention is this: I find very little about "phoenix" in the context of torture/MC/RA until I use the query above--which upfront directs me to two sites using a greatest-hits approach to conspiratainment, both tracing the Phoenix terror campaign in Vietnam back to Wilhelm Reich, conflating that w/ drug testing on GIs and experimentation on children, and mentioning the Philadelphia experiment while discussing time travel. Both of these sites have been on the web since the 1990s. There was, in fact, a fictional meta-narrative going around the internet at exactly that time using all the same narratives to similar ends. To a certain extent the authors of that would go on to do something similar with "MONARCH". It's possible you don't know this. But by putting together "phoenix" and "mind control" I am kicked back almost immediately to a dubious retro meta-narrative, which leads me suggest that using "phoenix" contributes to confusion, whether witting or unwitting.

You likewise use "Monarch" though you know it does not really exist by that name. Like I said, I don't believe you have negative intentions but you don't even bracket your use of the misleading term--which is sloppy. And if you think I'm nitpicking, that's par for the course here: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30619&start=33.

That said, it's very possible that the TI community, to the extent one exists, has in fact adopted "monarch" and "phoenix" as its own terms, but even if that is the case, I would hope they reconsider.



In an unrelated vein, you mention that one of the intentions behind TI attacks is to replicate schizophrenic symptoms. My question is, how do you determine what's real and what isn't without actually being there? I've been on close terms with one person who was, in fact, plagued by delusions of reference and it is, in fact, a very real thing.

[Project Willow]

I am going to start at the end of your post and work my way back towards the beginning because the first point I have to make summarizes everything fairly well and is something I can fully attest to from direct personal experience.

Quite a few more have personal characteristics suggesting they are actual TBMC survivors, and I've actually talked to a few of them who remember their MKULTRA or Monarch backgrounds, and are being punished for remembering.

I don't know any MC handler team that would employ expensive, unwieldy, and unpredictable energy-based manipulation on a TBMC survivor. It makes no sense. Why would anyone go to such extreme lengths when a single phone call to the target can produce better results? It's like walking a mile to tie your shoes when you could simply bend over.

I do know MC teams who would suggest to a target that they are being bombarded 24/7 with invisible undetectable energy and that they would make such suggestions in tandem with triggered programming that produces symptoms such as those I listed in my last post.
It is a sad fact that there are few resources for TBMC survivors and so often they are left to self diagnose.

So the people getting this kind of treatment are unusual, even if they don't know it, and have ties to military/CIA experimentation in an awful lot of cases. It's a human experimentation and witness eradication program. It's kind of expensive to run programs like these, but they help protect or enrich powerful people - the real purpose of most government activity - and besides, you're paying for it.

This is unnecessary. I'm a TBMC survivor myself. If you are the subject of manipulation as well, I am on your side, but I don't want misinformation harming other survivors. Again, there's a huge advocacy and treatment vacuum and you're filling it with a lot of guess work. You're going to end up seriously hurting some one or more than one.

I fully support survivors sharing their stories on line, speaking from what they know to be the truth, even if it must be edited in future (and that is almost always the case). What you've done however is different, you're asserting that you can determine for other people, who are vulnerable and whom you haven't even met, what is happening to them and how to respond. This is plainly irresponsible.

Now back to the beginning just to solidify that point:

So, you're claiming that vulnerable people whose symptoms

TBMC is something I haven't covered in the past, because I haven't felt I had good sources on the subject.

you can't describe or classify are being targeted with technology

As for symptoms that "absolutely demonstrate an electronic origin", first I would have to record the electronic signals. Very few TI's have recorded anything - I'll cover that in a bit - and besides, what do recordings of unusual emissions prove? Think before you answer that.

you can't describe, classify, or detect.

Most TI's who believe they are getting electronically harassed have very specific reasons for thinking so. What else would "go away" when the TI is inside a steel container, for example?

Placebo effect.

Alright, now let's get to some possible practical reactions:

A few observations. First, there have been a handful of instances where TI's have recorded unusually high levels of microwave-frequency radiation in their residences. So what do you do with this information?

You build case files, because the public on whom you depend to pressure lawmakers to enact new legislation still thinks you're nuts. So you build up a set of verifiable cases by having TI's keep detailed records and organizing a team with access to equipment that CAN detect energy attacks. Or, more responsibly, you encourage local trauma clinicians to get training or consultation in recognizing TBMC and you try to generate support for educational programs that take TBMC and new manipulative technologies seriously and that can develop peer-review studies, construct inventories, and therefore legitimize work with TI's.

Second, if it's actual mind control technology, and let's say the target is implanted with military or intelligence-agency implants, why would you expect to be able to pick up the signals? Do this: find out how much it costs to get your hands on a spectrum analyzer capable of picking up ultrawideband signals or nonstandard frequency-hopping signals of microsecond duration.

You have TI's scanned so that evidence of the devices is established, as was done in the ongoing Veteran's CIA experimentation case.
Otherwise, I think you're really reaching now.

Third, even if exotic signal types aren't being used and the target is being attacked with directed energy weapons, you can't afford equipment that picks up extremely high frequency signals, like the 95 GHz signals used in the Active Denial System.

Yeah, I think one of those devices would probably attract attention.

Finally, attacks may be sporadic, and they may be saved for when equipment or investigators aren't listening. Electronic harassment is not like physical assault. In the vast majority of cases, no obvious physical evidence is left behind. You have to catch the attacks as they're happening... do you have any idea how hard that is?

Then why do most TI's claim to be under attack 24/7? Again, how are you able to diagnose it versus (as I began this response) the symptoms of TBMC? It's obvious you can't. It's about as responsible as my 6 year old neighbor setting up shop as a dietician based on how much he loves candy.

It seems like you're coming into this thread with preconceived notions. I've already addressed this question: I don't think they are employing dozens of people around the clock to go after an individual. I think it's a small handful of people or possibly even one person, using psychological torture protocols, psychological operations, and mind control technology to make himself look much more threatening than he is.

That is in opposition to the gang stalking, street theater claims common to TI's are you saying you haven't experienced those?

[Project Willow]

Rather I would ask, "Is such an operation feasible, and are there historical precedents?"

Those really aren't supportable questions. We still live with the illusion of being a free society and so any criminal network, whether tax-funded or not, must operate under situational constraints. Again, in my experience, most of the people who claim to be TI's are not dissidents or whistle blowers, they aren't protesters or intellectuals, prior to their victimization, they appear to be average Joe. There are limited explanations in that case, the targeting, if it is to be taken at face value, is either for experimentation or at the whim of some psychotic mini-despot or another. Yet those just don't support the numbers. Something else is going on here.

See the beginning of my response to Jeremypsyops for my theory.

[jeremypsyops]

I've been in arguments with people who pick apart an opponent's writing sentence by sentence or even word by word, and it's never fun - or enlightening - for either side. I'm just going to focus on this one quote which demonstrates the reader hasn't really been paying attention to what I've been saying:

[mind control technology, psychological operations, psychological torture protocols] is in opposition to the gang stalking, street theater claims common to TI's are you saying you haven't experienced those?

What I've been saying is that the appearance of gang stalking can be created using "psychological torture protocols, psychological operations, and mind control technology", and yes I have been through that; I've been saying that many TI's are mistaken about the nature of what's coming after them, so their "gang stalking, street theater claims" are helping to mislead onlookers (as well as themselves)[*]. What I'm saying now is that your experience with something that seems the same is not only not helpful, it is a barrier to understanding, as is demonstrated by the above quote in which you show you've ignored the substance of what I've been saying in this thread.

So your practical knowledge of TBMC, which I'm sure is very detailed and vivid judging by how you leaped onto certain phrases and tore their throats out, is actually leading you astray in this novel situation.

By the way, on the subject of implants, detection, and so on. The Monarch (am I still allowed to say that here?) I live with says she has implants and she knows where they are, and I can even feel a couple of foreign objects under her skin. This knowledge doesn't do her a lick of good. Even if she were insured, health insurance doesn't cover implant detection/removal. And she's broke, and kept that way, like most of the TI's are. So... no surgery, no electronic countermeasures or detection, no advocacy, no case studies, nothing. That all takes money and TI's get drained of it pretty quickly - James Walbert spent $70K on private investigators, doctors, expert witnesses, etc., just to get a restraining order - and people on the sidelines aren't interested in getting involved except to offer condescending advice.



[*] See my opinion piece on how targets are misled, and used to mislead others: "CIA-sponsored disinformation campaigns related to targeting".

[Project Willow]

[mind control technology, psychological operations, psychological torture protocols] is in opposition to the gang stalking, street theater claims common to TI's are you saying you haven't experienced those?

You inserted the subject of a sentence while quoting me that is not in the original and is highly misleading. Do not ever put words in my mouth. Edit your post or I'll call on the mods to edit it.

What I'm saying now is that your experience with something that seems the same is not only not helpful, it is a barrier to understanding, as is demonstrated by the above quote in which you show you've ignored the substance of what I've been saying in this thread.

So your practical knowledge of TBMC, which I'm sure is very detailed and vivid judging by how you leaped onto certain phrases and tore their throats out, is actually leading you astray in this novel situation.

You've stated that you do not possess the knowledge to make such an assessment. I suggest you take a deep breath or a few days to consider the information I've offered you. If after a time of consideration you remain entrenched, I would like to know in detail why you still reject the knowledge, and I dare say, given your potential audience, it is the least you can do.

[*] See my opinion piece on how targets are misled, and used to mislead others: "CIA-sponsored disinformation campaigns related to targeting".

Consider looking in the mirror, as difficult as that may be, as difficult as all of this may be.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

No thanks, 'jeremy.'

Suspicion confirmed. A disinfo site masquerading as a warning/resistance site.
Undoubtedly related to that recently marketed CIA front site, "Freedom From Covert Harassment and Surveillance."

Goal:
Thematic hijacking to apply sewage to recently exposed MILITARY MEDIA subjects-
> CIA disinformation
> Psyops
> Psywar
> Subliminals
> Search engine tricks (parroting CIA-NYTimes)
> TV, radio, movies
etc.

This is a way to obscure social control achieved by targeting the masses
by changing focus to targeting individuals.

Put on your boots, Norton, pee-yew.

http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/09/elect ... sis-chart/
http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/07/the-d ... uggestion/
http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/t ... es/psywar/
http://areyoutargeted.com/orientation/t ... r-outlets/
http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/11/googl ... ble-users/

[82_28]

[jeremypsyops]

You inserted the subject of a sentence while quoting me that is not in the original and is highly misleading. Do not ever put words in my mouth. Edit your post or I'll call on the mods to edit it.

It's common to insert bracketed phrases to clarify quotes without, one hopes, misleading the audience.

Friendly tip: all the people quoted in New York Times articles over the years with "[sic]" added to their quotes did not actually say "sic".

Since I haven't actually put words in your mouth any more than the NY Times does when it uses this convention, I won't be editing my post.

If this is what passes for analysis, reading comprehension, and expertise on Rigorous Intuition, I don't think I'll be hanging around to explain to Hugh Manatee et al why the message "Are You Targeted?" is not directed at the general public.[*]


"This is a way to obscure social control achieved by targeting the masses by changing focus to targeting individuals." - Hugh Manatee Wins, another respected analyst at Rigorous Intuition, on this thread.

[82_28]

Alright. Fuck. I'm pissed. I spent a half an hour writing something up and I lost it because I had apparently logged out in another tab.

Anyways, gist was this:

Hugh is who he is and he probably gets more shit around here than anybody. Hugh, however, has been here forever and like everyone in this dump, until otherwise notified, all are welcome. No one member here except for maybe Jeff doesn't get the guff. Yes, this place is called Rigorous Intuition, but there are plenty of personalities around that no one site or argument just gets an oooh ahhh, wow, unless it's something many of us have never heard of or a new idea or finding or phenomenon. Like I said in my first comment to this thread, areyoubeingtargeted is RI 101. There are many keen minds and all sorts of people who may or may not give you a hard time.

More of my gist:

I still feel your site, Jeremy, is irresponsible. You can't for one second think that some here would not look at you with due skepticism -- imagine the shit you'd get on a slashdot or boingboing. You have yet to demonstrate why the ratio of you preaching the truth online is commensurate with making susceptible readers needlessly more paranoid than they may already be. 99.99999999% of people are not personally targeted by anybody, but I would say that there is at least a good 5-7% who believe they could be and are thus predisposed to further confusion, fear, neuroses and psychosis. If we are being sprayed from above, targeted by RF, stalked etc, it is our job to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable within context of the history of Empire. If this is happening then it is in everyone's interests not to dwell on it, but to accept it with bravery and indifference. It would be much easier to text, email, snail mail, late night knock, leave cryptic notes upon paper than it would be to tool shit so that radio stations and TV channels begin to micro broadcast to "the targeted".

I think what you need to come up with is an either fictional or nonfiction story about how this plays out in the real world. Cover the psychological history of the subject. Does he/she have a supportive family life? What is, if any, the political affiliation? Is there any drug or alcohol abuse? So many questions and I'm sick of trying to re-write what I already wrote only much better and off the top of some semblance of inspiration.

Until then, I toss it over to Hugh with the weather:

[norton ash]

HMW

This is a way to obscure social control achieved by targeting the masses
by changing focus to targeting individuals.

Put on your boots, Norton, pee-yew.

I don't say a word in this thread and I get targeted? Now I'm paranoid. Do my feet smell?

I got puzzling dawn phone calls today too, but the woman was drunk and I think she was looking for a bootlegger.

[IanEye]

Also suss= ron suskind?

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more policeman come dun'
dem beat me to the groun'
dem charge Jim fi sus
dem charge mi fi murdaah...
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now if eye were a carpenter
and you were a lady
would you marry me anyway?
would you have my baby?

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[Wombaticus Rex]

It's common to insert bracketed phrases to clarify quotes without, one hopes, misleading the audience.

In Newsweek, sure. Not here so much.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I still feel your site, Jeremy, is irresponsible. You can't for one second think that some here would not look at you with due skepticism -- imagine the shit you'd get on a slashdot or boingboing. You have yet to demonstrate why the ratio of you preaching the truth online is commensurate with making susceptible readers needlessly more paranoid than they may already be.

Disagree. By that token, the X-Files is equally irresponsible. Jeremy bought the domain and is free to do as he will with it. He's also doing much better than Chris Carter in that he's here actively answering for his actions and explaining his motivations. Also, I don't believe that How The eHerd Would React is a useful metric for evaluating anything...most especially our activism.