12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:16 pm

Nordic wrote:Jesus christ, you call any of that rigorous? Just because certain scamsters are selling gold means that gold is worthless?


I said:

GOLD COINS.

Or silver. Sold by con artists to morons.

Gold, on the other hand, is a market commodity, the worth of which fluctuates based almost entirely on market sentiment. (I mean "rather than production costs or other factors.") For the last little while, the demand for gold by panicked investors seeking a hedge against the worldwide collapse of the real economy (or, if you prefer, "inflation") has been creating what you might call a gold mini-bubble, though it's been more volatile than bubbles typically are. I'm not sure where that's at right this moment.

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But now I am. It's still bubbling. Thanks, anothershamus![/edit]

Also:

Nordic wrote:Men see backing down as a weakness.


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That's like saying sex has no value because some people are rapists. Makes no fucking sense whatsoever.


I didn't say what you've now attributed to me twice. But if I had, it would actually be more like saying that sex had no value because some people are prostitutes, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

And the only reason "inflation" seems "flat" to you is because the housing bubble collapsed...


Four years ago.

...and continues to collapse...


:rofl:

You might want to get caught up on this subject.

...thereby offsetting to a great degree the very real INFLATION that is going on around us. Do you actually buy any food? Gas? Housing? Anything other than flatscreen TV's and residential real estate??


I'm not sure how "housing" differs from "residential real estate," exactly. Also, I don't have a flat-screen TV, but I thought they were getting cheaper. Aren't they? Because I was thinking of buying one.


Anyway. The short answer is "Yes. Yes, I do."

Aren't you aware that the government has spent the last 30 years tweaking how they figure inflation? Ever since the 70's, when we had the last real bout of it? Because they don't want people to actually KNOW that the value of their money is declining, and rapidly? You might want to look into that. I donn't care if you're talking about the PPI, the CPI, it doesn't fucking matter, those are government numbers using government formulas, and they're all bogus.


That's not accurate, but neither is it wholly untrue. Hmm. Well, why not be charitable?

Let's call it "Post-War Economics in the United States for Mouth Breathers" and agree that since the 1970s at the latest, what's generally been regarded as growth in the American economy has been increasingly artificial, or increasingly spurious, or both.

I'm just stupefied that we're even having this conversation. I feel like I'm back at Dailykos or something.

Sheesh.


Really? I was never hive-minded enough to post there, personally. But to each according to his abilities his own.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby brainpanhandler » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:30 pm

c2w wrote:The National Inflation Association is a patriot-network-promoting, Glenn-Beck-official seal-of-approval scam. There are no immanent signs of hyper-inflation, they just want you to buy worthless gold and silver coins, consent to the gutting of social security, and generally be terrified. More complaints show up for the other company run by NIA's founder (Gerard Adams, who runs a pump-and-dump penny-stock concern called Wall Street Grand, when not hyping hyper-inflation).



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You're consistently one of the best researchers here. The little bit of sussing out the NIA you did was no doubt no big deal for you. If it's not too much trouble can you do the class a favor and show your work. Just sort of walk us through the thought process you use when approaching the questions you asked to arrive at the above quoted conclusions. Or if it was already known to you then imagine it wasn't. And then describe the steps you took, the site/s you visited, the search terms and engines you used, etc....
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby anothershamus » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:35 pm

C2W wrote:
For the last little while, the demand for gold by panicked investors seeking a hedge against the worldwide collapse of the real economy (or, if you prefer, "inflation") has been creating what you might call a gold mini-bubble, though it's been more volatile than bubbles typically are. I'm not sure where that's at right this moment.


I have to admit that when Cramer starts talking about buying gold, it might be in a bubble, however, if you look at the volume of $$ being printed and the $14trillion dollar debt. It's not hard to see an inflationary period approaching. The raising prices of food and energy are being kept out of the CPI because TPTB want to keep the inflation number artificially low. They might be able to hold of full blown inflation for a while longer but when it hits it's going to hit hard.

This from Gonzalo Lira, from Argentina, who lived through the hyperinflation of Argentina and can see the same signs in the USA today:
Right now, we’re in that weird in-between time of financial crises: The Global Financial Crisis of 2008 is behind us, while the next global crisis is not here yet—but it’s on its way.

We can feel how it’s on its way. Most everyone plugged into the macro-economic zeitgeist can tell you that bad juju is most definitely in the post—just that nobody yet knows (or is sure) what shape the next crisis will take.

Lots of people have been pointing to the various signs of the coming crisis: A U.S. Federal government deficit that’s over 12% of GDP, to be repeated in fiscal years 2012, ’13, ’14 and possibly ’15, if not surpassed; abnormal rises in commodity prices; European disintegration; a Federal Reserve that is printing money like there’s no tomorrow; the largest bond fund in the world—PIMCO—exiting Treasuries (that’s like Baskin & Robbins exiting chocolate); a complete inability of the political leadership class to do anything about the fiscal mess of the United States, at the Federal, State and local levels.

But though everybody points to the signs of the coming crisis, no one can yet make out its true shape. I’ve posited that it’ll be hyperinflationary, while other very clever people have claimed it’ll be deflationary.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:01 pm

shamus, minor point, Lira's Chilean. lived through the Kissinger-Chicago school shock doctrine: "austerity" for beginners. seems to think the same's being done worldwide.


brainpanhandler wrote:
c2w wrote:The National Inflation Association is a patriot-network-promoting, Glenn-Beck-official seal-of-approval scam. There are no immanent signs of hyper-inflation, they just want you to buy worthless gold and silver coins, consent to the gutting of social security, and generally be terrified. More complaints show up for the other company run by NIA's founder (Gerard Adams, who runs a pump-and-dump penny-stock concern called Wall Street Grand, when not hyping hyper-inflation).



Compared2what,

You're consistently one of the best researchers here. The little bit of sussing out the NIA you did was no doubt no big deal for you. If it's not too much trouble can you do the class a favor and show your work. Just sort of walk us through the thought process you use when approaching the questions you asked to arrive at the above quoted conclusions. Or if it was already known to you then imagine it wasn't. And then describe the steps you took, the site/s you visited, the search terms and engines you used, etc....



that i'd like to see.

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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:28 pm

compared2what? wrote:...

I do actually keep myself informed about what's going on in the world. And I noted back around when Obama was elected that all the corporate oligarchs started shrieking about how we had to prepare for serious inflation, by which they meant:

"OMG, deficit spending must be cut for no very clear reason that we can explain! Get rid of social security!"

....


there's that. and this:

How Likely is QE-3?

(or, “Is That Your Retirement Account You’re Holding On To So Tightly? Or Are You Just Happy To See Me?” Said The Man From The Government)


So back in September 2008—in the throes of the Global Financial Crisis—the Federal Reserve under its chairman, Ben Bernanke, unleashed what was then known as “Quantitative Easing”.

They basically printed money out of thin air—about $1.25 trillion—and used it to purchase the so-called “toxic assets” from all the banks up and down Wall Street which were about to keel over dead. The reason they were about to keel over dead was because the “toxic assets”—mortgage backed securities and so on—were worth fractions of their nominal value. Very small fractions. All these banks were broke, because of their bad bets on these toxic assets. So in order to keep them from going broke—and thereby wrecking the world economy—the Fed payed 100 cents on the dollar for this crap.

In other words, the Fed saved Wall Street by printing money, and then giving it to them in exchange for bad paper.

Time passes, we move on.

Then, in November 2010, the Federal Reserve—still under Ben Bernanke—unleashed what is colloquially known as QE-2: The Fed announced that it would purchase $600 billion worth of Treasury bonds over the next eight months.

The rationale was so as to stimulate lending. But really, it was so that the Federal government wouldn’t go broke. The Federal government deficit for fiscal year 2011 is $1.6 trillion—the national debt is beyond 100% of GDP, at about $14 trillion. The Federal government issues Treasury bonds in order to fund this deficit. Ergo, by way of QE-2, the Federal Reserve bought roughly 40% of the Federal government deficit for FY 2011. Add on other Treasury bond purchases by the Fed via QE-lite (the reinvestment of the excedents of the toxic assets on the Fed’s books), and the Federal Reserve is buying up half the deficit of the Federal government, as I discussed here in some detail.

In other words, the Fed saved Washington by printing up money, and then giving it to them in exchange for—well, not bad paper, but at least questionable paper.

So! . . . let’s see now . . . Fed money printing—check! Saving someone’s bacon (even though they shoulda known better)—check! Taking on dodgy paper—check!

Did it in 2008 for Wall Street, then did it again in 2010 for Washington.

But the key difference between these two events is, the banks didn’t have any more toxic assets, once they sold them all to the Fed.

But the Federal government will still have more Treasury bonds it will have to sell, once the Federal Reserve ends QE-2 this coming June.

The fiscal year 2012 deficit will be on an order of 10% of GDP—roughly $1.5 trillion. And 2013 and 2014? Around the same range.

Over at Zero Hedge, they are past masters at timing the funding needs of the Federal government. But we don’t need to go into the monthly figures of POMO purchases and Treasury auctions and all the rest of it. All due respect to Tyler and his wonderful team at ZH, all that is merely the mechanics of Federal Reserve monetization.

What we should look at is the simple, macro question: If the Fed ends QE-2 in June as they have said they will, who will take up the slack? Who will purchase between $75 and $100 billion worth of Treasury bonds at yields of 3.5% for the 10-year?

Is there someone?

Anyone?

The answer is, No one will take up the slack.

Who, Japan? They’ve got some well-known troubles of their own—they’re all about selling Treasuries and buying up yens, both now and for the foreseeable future.

The Chinese? They’ve been quietly exiting Treasuries for a couple of years now, and going into every commodity known to man.

Europe? Are you serious—Europe? Please don’t make me laugh that hard—it hurts.

The fact is, there is no one outside the United States that I can think of who would willingly buy Treasury bonds—not to the tune of +$75 billion a month.

Therefore, if no one outside the United States would willingly give money to Washington to fund the deficit, then someone inside the U.S. will have to step up.

The obvious-obvious-obvious solution to this mess is for the Federal government to stop spending its way to oblivion—but does anyone realistically see this happening?

Therefore, as Spock always sez, if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

If foreign sources of funding will not cover the Federal government’s deficit after June 2011, and Washington will definitely not cut spending in any sort of realistic sense, then there really are only two—and only two—possibilities:

• The indefinite continuation of QE by the Federal Reserve.
• Or the requisitioning of private retirement accounts and pension funds.

Don’t dismiss the second possibility out of hand—think it over.

What pool of money is just sitting there, not doing much, while being legally barred from its owners? What pool of money is easily accessed, yet is large enough to fund the deficit?

The retirement accounts of the American people: Both individual private accounts, and pension funds.

After all, the total for all pension monies is roughly 100% of GDP (this includes Social Security). And the Federal government has already raided the “Social Security lock box”—that box is stuffed with Treasury IOU’s.


So the Federal government might well turn to the private sector for cash. The Federal government might conceivably claim that ongoing funding needs require that every single 401(k) and IRA divest from its portfolio of stocks and bonds, and be fully invested in Treasuries.

This could be accomplished very easily, from a practical standpoint—just inform banks, and have them turn over to the Federal government all your mutual funds and stocks you agonized over, and get long-term Treasury bonds of nominal equal value in exchange.

401(k)’s and IRA’s would be the first ones the Federal government would go after—for the obvious reason that union pension funds have the union’s political muscle. But individuals? They have no political machine. So they’re screwed.

Anyway, the language used for this maneuver by the Treasury department would make it difficult for a lot of (unaffected) people to get upset over the situation: The Treasury department wouldn’t call this process “retirement account confiscation”. They’d call it something innocuous, like “retirement asset swap”—or better yet, throw in some patriotic bullshit (indeed, the last refuge of the scoundrel) and call it “Americ-Aide Asset Swap”—or even better: Call it “Help America Retirement Treasury Bond Program”—otherwise known as HART-bonds. (Awww!!! Probably maudlin enough to get Geithner an appearance on fucking Oprah.)

There might be short-term political damage, but like losing your virginity or carrying out state-sponsored torture programs, it would be the necessary start for a slide that will never end. After this first “retirement asset swap” carried out on the 401(k)’s and IRA’s, the Treasury department would start doing more of this to ever-bigger pension funds, until eventually all retirement assets would be converted into Treasury bonds.

Hey, they did it in Argentina. And as Yves Smith always sez, America has become Argentina, but with nukes.

Now, this is one possibility, of the only two which I can see.

The other possibility, of course, is that the Federal Reserve will not end Quantitative Easing-2 come June. The Fed will extend the deficit monetization indefinitely. The Fed will be under the mistaken impression that this will somehow save the U.S. economy. (The best metaphor I’ve been able to come up with for this situation is, the Federal government is like a junkie who’s already OD’ed—and the Federal Reserve is trying to “save” him by shooting him up with even more heroin.)

So between these two possibilities—confiscating retirement accounts and forcing some sort of Treasury bond asset swap, or an endless continuation of QE—which is easier?

Obviously QE-three.

Therefore, that’s what I think is going to happen: QE money-printing as far as the eye can see.

Well, look on the bright side: At least you’ll get to keep your ever-shrinking retirement nest egg. Bully for you!

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/03 ... three.html


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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby justdrew » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:02 pm

raise taxes and they won't need to sell treasuries. raise the hell out of taxes.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby justdrew » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:09 pm

...and Mohamed A. El-Erian, the other Co-CIO as well as the firm's CEO...

In 2000, PIMCO was acquired by Allianz SE,[5] a large global financial services company based in Germany, but the firm continues to operate as an autonomous subsidiary of Allianz.

El-Erian has served on several boards and committees, including the U.S. Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee, the International Center for Research on Women, and the IMF's Committee of Eminent Persons. He is currently a board member of the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, the NBER, the Peterson Institute for International Economics and Cambridge in America.

The Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics (Peterson Institute), formerly the Institute for International Economics, is a private, non-profit, and nonpartisan think tank focused on international economics, based in Washington, D.C. It was founded by C. Fred Bergsten in 1981, in response to a proposal from the German Marshall Fund.[1]
The Institute's annual budget is about $9 million and it is financially supported by a wide range of charitable foundations, private corporations, and individuals; as well as earnings from the Institute's publications and capital fund.

The Institute moved into its own award-winning building, designed by James von Klemperer of Kohn Pedersen Fox. It includes full conference and videoconferencing facilities, at 1750 Massachusetts Avenue ("Embassy Row"), NW, Washington, DC, in the summer of 2001. It is located across from the Brookings Institution, diagonally across from Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and next to the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies.


this fucker's in bed with the "destroy social security" P.P. scum-bag.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:14 pm

I'm seeing a few people here reveal a great many prejudices about various things here, and therefore not thinking outside the box, which is one of the reasons I come here, to get out of that freaking box.

First off -- we're in unchartered territory here. Which means the economists, who have their reputations as "Keynsian" or whatever label they've nurtured over the years, are gonna keep spouting their same old crap based on their same old crap. So you can't really listen to them.

Second, some of them are right about one thing, and wrong about others. Peter Schiff, for example, is a guy who is extremely gifted at diagnosing what is WRONG with the economy, but his prescription for fixing it is out in LA LA LAND. (It's libertarian).

Third, everybody is on their own. You just have to figure this shit out for yourself. CPI and PPI figures are bogus. Everything the government tells you is bogus. Everything the media tells you is bogus.

Most "pundits" i.e. zerohedge, Peter Schiff, subscribe to a certain amount of "magical thinking", i.e. their own prejudices get in the way of rational thought. Most people heavily invested in these fields have substituted beliefs about how to fix the economy for religious beliefs, it seems to fill the same parts of their brains. Magical thinking will never get us out of any situation. It's a major flaw in most people's way of thinking. But almost everybody does it. I mean, fill in the blank here "__________________ will save the day". Fill that blank in with "lower taxes", "higher taxes", "less regulation" "more regulation" "a return to the gold standard" "better Democrats". None of these are, or will be, true.

Furthermore, one of the reasons we're in unchartered territory is that there is a large international conspiracy afoot to remove the dollar as the world's exchange currency.

When this happens, and I'd say it's at least 67% probable, (and that's optimistic on behalf of the dollar, it's probably inevitable in reality, but I'll give the military and economic power of the U.S. the benefit of the doubt), the dollar will shrink like Donald Trump's cock on a cold day. It will almost disappear.

That will fit ANYBODY'S definition of "inflation".

Get your heads out of your boxes, y'all, and think for yourselves. Quit letting your prejudices against whoever -- "OMG these people advertised on Glenn Beck's show so everything they say must be completely WRONG!" -- quit throwing the babies out with the bathwater and think for yourselves. IT's what we're supposed to do here.

Don't hit me with government figures and "oh those people are associated with (this person who's a stooge) so that's why they're wrong".

Use facts, okay?
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:14 pm

anothershamus wrote:C2W wrote:
For the last little while, the demand for gold by panicked investors seeking a hedge against the worldwide collapse of the real economy (or, if you prefer, "inflation") has been creating what you might call a gold mini-bubble, though it's been more volatile than bubbles typically are. I'm not sure where that's at right this moment.


I have to admit that when Cramer starts talking about buying gold, it might be in a bubble, however, if you look at the volume of $$ being printed and the $14trillion dollar debt. It's not hard to see an inflationary period approaching.


I wouldn't be surprised. The economy is collapsing. Anything's possible. But (a) There's no sign that hyperiflation is just around the corner right now; (b) Even if there were, gold prices might go up for a second, but they'd then go down-down-DOWN almost right away because all the small investors would be rushing to sell in a state of desperate, pressing necessity, which the mega-traders would be happy to use as an opportunity for picking up their pocket change at fire-sale prices; and (c) Irrespective of whether there is or is not going to be a period of high, sustained inflation, therefore, buying gold (from a nice, reputable non-deceptive vendor) won't really do anything for the vast majority who are really at risk, apart from give them a false sense of comfort that prevents them from uniting to fight the powers that are robbing them blind by any and every possible means at their joint disposal.

The raising prices of food and energy are being kept out of the CPI because TPTB want to keep the inflation number artificially low. They might be able to hold of full blown inflation for a while longer but when it hits it's going to hit hard.


The CPI never includes food and energy prices for the reasons that freemason9 already stated. That doesn't mean that if oil becomes prohibitively expensive it won't effect the price of pretty much everything, of course. I believe that power's wish to dictate rather than be told how, when and on what schedule that might happen just may have a little something to do with our various military efforts in Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq, in fact.

This from Gonzalo Lira, from Argentina, who lived through the hyperinflation of Argentina and can see the same signs in the USA today:
Right now, we’re in that weird in-between time of financial crises: The Global Financial Crisis of 2008 is behind us, while the next global crisis is not here yet—but it’s on its way.

We can feel how it’s on its way. Most everyone plugged into the macro-economic zeitgeist can tell you that bad juju is most definitely in the post—just that nobody yet knows (or is sure) what shape the next crisis will take.

Lots of people have been pointing to the various signs of the coming crisis: A U.S. Federal government deficit that’s over 12% of GDP, to be repeated in fiscal years 2012, ’13, ’14 and possibly ’15, if not surpassed; abnormal rises in commodity prices; European disintegration; a Federal Reserve that is printing money like there’s no tomorrow; the largest bond fund in the world—PIMCO—exiting Treasuries (that’s like Baskin & Robbins exiting chocolate); a complete inability of the political leadership class to do anything about the fiscal mess of the United States, at the Federal, State and local levels.

But though everybody points to the signs of the coming crisis, no one can yet make out its true shape. I’ve posited that it’ll be hyperinflationary, while other very clever people have claimed it’ll be deflationary.


I agree that everyone is pointing to signs of a coming crisis and that no one can yet make out its true shape.

I don't see how focusing on the deficit is at all useful as a first strategy, though. We need job creation, which basically means government or government-subsidized investments in R&D, physical infrastructure and figurative infrastructure (ie -- education and training for new industry.)

We also need single-payer health insurance.

From a federal perspective, unless you have some reason to think that you won't be able to prevent your creditors from foreclosing on your debt via the traditional mixed bag of pressures and concessions, there's no reason not to just let the deficit be until you're in a more robust position wrt repayment, which you should immediately institute a long-term program for becoming. That's just common fucking sense. As borne out by the impact of the stimulus, which was minuscule relative to the size of the problem, but had benefits that were nearly directly proportional to the investment, as far as it went. Which was not very far, obviously.

Fuck Obama. He should have seized the day back when he had a hope of prevailing, that worm.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby Nordic » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:16 pm

I don't see how focusing on the deficit is at all useful as a first strategy


Who's doing that? Other than the talking heads?

And you do realize that the Federal Reserve now owns more of the U.S. debt than China?
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:24 pm

Nordic wrote: CPI and PPI figures are bogus. Everything the government tells you is bogus. Everything the media tells you is bogus.





Furthermore, one of the reasons we're in unchartered territory is that there is a large international conspiracy afoot to remove the dollar as the world's exchange currency.

When this happens, and I'd say it's at least 67% probable, (and that's optimistic on behalf of the dollar, it's probably inevitable in reality, but I'll give the military and economic power of the U.S. the benefit of the doubt), the dollar will shrink like Donald Trump's cock on a cold day. It will almost disappear.

That will fit ANYBODY'S definition of "inflation"
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Get your head out of your box and think for yourself. Quit letting your prejudices against whoever -- "OMG these people are economists, who have their reputations as "Keynsian" or whatever label they've nurtured over the years who are gonna keep spouting their same old crap based on their same old crap, so you can't really listen to them because everything they say must be completely WRONG!" -- quit throwing the babies out with the bathwater and think for yourself. IT's what we're supposed to do here.

Don't hit me with vague predictions about future events in areas that you haven't researched more than casually, if at all and "oh, you noticed that my OP came from a demonstrably deceptive source with a long history of alarmist hype designed to rip people off and I don't like you to begin with, so that's why you're wrong."

Use facts, okay? Like I've been doing.

Thanks.

ON EDIT: added an end-quote tag, and might as well add that I'm asking you to share the factual basis for what you said in the two quotes above, as long as I'm at it.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:30 pm

Nordic wrote:
I don't see how focusing on the deficit is at all useful as a first strategy


Who's doing that? Other than the talking heads?


I was responding to this:


Lots of people have been pointing to the various signs of the coming crisis: A U.S. Federal government deficit that’s over 12% of GDP, to be repeated in fiscal years 2012, ’13, ’14 and possibly ’15, if not surpassed; abnormal rises in commodity prices; European disintegration; a Federal Reserve that is printing money like there’s no tomorrow; the largest bond fund in the world—PIMCO—exiting Treasuries (that’s like Baskin & Robbins exiting chocolate); a complete inability of the political leadership class to do anything about the fiscal mess of the United States, at the Federal, State and local levels.


You know. The paragraph that was a few lines above the quote you're inquiring about.

And you do realize that the Federal Reserve now owns more of the U.S. debt than China?


Yes.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby justdrew » Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:42 pm

any signs of our "trading partners" demanding payment for good in their own currency instead of dollars? Seems to me that would have to happen for the US to face "hyper" inflation?

Computerized transaction issues

Western Europe, North America and many parts of Asia and Australasia have economies that depend heavily on computerized transaction procession of money transfers. However, most nations that are subject to hyperinflation risk have not done assessments as to the ability of the electronic part of the finance system to remain intact under hyperinflation.

It is assumed (based upon IT practices for transnational processing that have evolved since the 1970s) that most money held by banks is not represented by 64 bit floating numbers. Under hyperinflation conditions most bank processing systems could fail due to overflow conditions
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby freemason9 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:04 pm

silly discussion, as if inflation should concern the middle class

we should hope for such.

"watch as we inflate our way out of debt." won't happen, won't be allowed.

deficits really don't matter. they never hurt me a bit, not one little bit.

hell, send us all a check for $10,000. we will all be happy, and the economy will improve.

for the workers--but workers don't count,

and they should never be allowed the freedom of leisure.

deficits don't matter, and they will continue.

but only as an excuse to further castrate the middle class

and spay the workforce.

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The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Re: 12 Warning Signs of U.S. Hyperinflation

Postby compared2what? » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:15 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:
c2w wrote:The National Inflation Association is a patriot-network-promoting, Glenn-Beck-official seal-of-approval scam. There are no immanent signs of hyper-inflation, they just want you to buy worthless gold and silver coins, consent to the gutting of social security, and generally be terrified. More complaints show up for the other company run by NIA's founder (Gerard Adams, who runs a pump-and-dump penny-stock concern called Wall Street Grand, when not hyping hyper-inflation).



Compared2what,

You're consistently one of the best researchers here. The little bit of sussing out the NIA you did was no doubt no big deal for you. If it's not too much trouble can you do the class a favor and show your work. Just sort of walk us through the thought process you use when approaching the questions you asked to arrive at the above quoted conclusions. Or if it was already known to you then imagine it wasn't. And then describe the steps you took, the site/s you visited, the search terms and engines you used, etc....


I can try if you really want and/or need me to, but it would probably be verbose, not all that interesting for others, and kind of effortful for me. Because it's not really a methodical process, it's just critical thinking in action, predicated on the experiences I happen to have had and the knowledge I happened to have acquired.

So I'm not really sure how I could walk others through it meaningfully without coming pretty close to doing a retroactive play-by-play of my thoughts that would end up reading like:

And then [X, Y AND Z] caught my eye, and I noticed that it had parallel phrasing and isomorphic institutional structure to [THING #1 & THING #2] that I'd looked into that time. And since I remembered having verified [SOME TEDIOUS FACT ABOUT SOME TEDIOUS ASPECT OF ENTITY IN QUESTION] by searching the [WHATEVER] database, first I tried that. But no luck. So then, for a while, I thought I'd discovered that [PERSON IN QUESTION] was affiliated with [FAMOUSLY SHADY ENTERPRISE OF SOME SORT], of all damn things. But of course, that just turned out to be another guy with the same name. So anyway, then I went...No, wait. I'm forgetting something. Oh, yeah. So then....


The only other way I could really answer would just be to say: I went to look at the NIA because its name made it sound like a (c)(4) advocacy-and-awareness type exempt organization and I always look at exempt organizations. I therefore immediately noticed that it wasn't, but that its efforts to seem as if it was weren't limited to its name. For example, there's this from the "About" page:

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And I don't know....I guess that there's just something about that last sentence there that struck me as kind of an odd thing for a for-profit site that (in effect) gives investment advice to be saying.

So I went looking for who owned it, then searched his name, then searched the names that turned up in conjunction with his, which took me hither and yon to this database and that, blah, blah, blah.

It only takes a few seconds, really. But only if it takes no time at all to notice that the name, the website format, the rhetoric, and the pushing of what looked (at a glance) like rip-off bullion coin dealers taken together constitute a red flag. And there's not really anyway to explain that process, it's multi-factorial.

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I don't know! Quit picking on me!
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