Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby barracuda » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:30 pm

hava1 wrote:The Torah/Bible (and Quran which affirms both of these docs as valid testaments), are the creation of the opposition to child sacrifice and to bodily maiming, which was the common religion of their respective era. I dont subscribe to a religion, but I try to stick to facts when opposing religious precepts, or else I serve their claims, that secular people are ignoramuses.

The TOrah and the Bible are one long menifesto against human sacrifice as ritual, and this was the main novelty. THou shall not kill is one of the commandments that all three religions propose as law.


That's a fascinating take on it, hava, that Jewish law was formulated, partly at least, as a reaction to the widespread Caananite rituals involving child sacrifice.

Canadian_watcher wrote:pretty much the same. It is a rite which asserts the supremacy of the patriarch. It does inhibit sexual pleasure for both males and females. It symbolizes allegiance to God as the Bible and Torah make much of the sacrifice of sons and male body parts - particularly if the father is to sacrifice his son at the behest of the Almighty.


I'd say that the importance of both the binding of Issac and the rite of circumcision have far more to do with obediance to God than with male sacrifice. The binding of Issac ight be periferally read as specifically entreating the Jews to abhor the sacrifice of humans in favor of animal sacrifice, especially in light of the particulars of later Mosaic law, i.e., the commandments.

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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:38 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:Never do anything that social pressures say. Within reason.


I try, Morgan. I try. :D just a note: as you know, I'm a little stubborn, so I think I would have won that circumcision battle.. however we'll never know. I know that I would have been the odd man out on it, and that's a tough row to hoe when you're a new parent.

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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:41 pm

barracuda wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:pretty much the same. It is a rite which asserts the supremacy of the patriarch. It does inhibit sexual pleasure for both males and females. It symbolizes allegiance to God as the Bible and Torah make much of the sacrifice of sons and male body parts - particularly if the father is to sacrifice his son at the behest of the Almighty.


I'd say that the importance of both the binding of Issac and the rite of circumcision have far more to do with obediance to God than with male sacrifice. The binding of Issac ight be periferally read as specifically entreating the Jews to abhor the sacrifice of humans in favor of animal sacrifice, especially in light of the particulars of later Mosaic law, i.e., the commandments.

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yeah - obedience to God = supremacy of the patriarch.

There are many passages in the bible which extol child sacrifice, just as there are many that abhor it.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby barracuda » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:45 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:There are many passages in the bible which extol child sacrifice...


Link? Because none spring to mind.

Edit - I did find some: Judges 11:29-40, Jephthah Burns His Daughter, for example.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:50 pm

barracuda wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:There are many passages in the bible which extol child sacrifice...


Link? Because none spring to mind.


http://www.rationalchristianity.net/human_sacrifice.html
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby barracuda » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:00 pm

Actually, I don't think any of those are very good examples of somehow extolling child sacrifice. Jephthah kind of did that all on his own, and reluctantly at that. And Exodus:

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.


This is clearly a reference to circumcision on the eighth day of the child's life.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby eyeno » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:06 pm

Circumcision came in the provide work for doctors and to discourage masturbation.



I never knew that. Wonder how circumcision is supposed to discourage it? Never hindered me as a young lad, guess I didn't get the memo. :mrgreen:
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:07 pm

barracuda wrote:Actually, I don't think any of those are very good examples of somehow extolling child sacrifice. Jephthah kind of did that all on his own, and reluctantly at that. And Exodus:

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.


This is clearly a reference to circumcision on the eighth day of the child's life.


thanks. :) My bible's in a box under the stairs and there are spiders there. I took the lazy route and looked up a web site.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby justdrew » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:18 pm

barracuda wrote:
Canadian_watcher wrote:There are many passages in the bible which extol child sacrifice...


Link? Because none spring to mind.

Edit - I did find some: Judges 11:29-40, Jephthah Burns His Daughter, for example.


and then there's the point where moses I think tells the villagers to bash the kids brains out on rocks because they made fun of his age.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby justdrew » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:21 pm

barracuda wrote:Actually, I don't think any of those are very good examples of somehow extolling child sacrifice. Jephthah kind of did that all on his own, and reluctantly at that. And Exodus:

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.


This is clearly a reference to circumcision on the eighth day of the child's life.


when an invisible entity, that purports to have put the skin there in the first place, now tells you to maim your children in order to "give them to him" I would say the only thing to do is find a way to destroy that entity.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:06 pm

This may be on the "more than you wanted to know" side of this issue.
I have always resented the fact that I was cut without my permission.
Originally it was a basic human rights issue with me. I did not consent.
Then I discovered that uncut sex was more enjoyable simply due to more nerve endings in place,
and the head of the penis gets somewhat calloused with out a foreskin.
Move foward a few years, working in the medical field, prepping a gentleman for surgery- he had an unusual contraption applied to his penis.
He explained that it was for regrowth of the foreskin, stated he had already added an inch of loose skin.
So it appeared this procedure really works, it is essentially just stretching it out over time- there must be some foreskin cells left in place-
but apparently there is a dramatic increase in nerve endings and lubrication.
There are alot of websites that cover this, heres an interesting one http://www.viceland.com/wp/2010/10/how-and-why-to-regrow-your-foreskin/.
And no, i havent tried it-yet...
Seems as I get older the foreskin starts to come back a bit on its own.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Nordic » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:22 pm

Seems as I get older the foreskin starts to come back a bit on its own.


that's an illusion. in reality your dick is just getting smaller.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:30 pm

^^^ I think you are correct, and I am glad you can relate.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby Burnt Hill » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:33 pm

Though it does occur to me that the times I've had major "shrinkage" before, I cant remember the foreskin covering the head.
You'd think gravity would help out a little down there- as it does with breasts.
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Re: Circumcision ban a step closer to the ballot

Postby eyeno » Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:00 pm

Nordic wrote:Seems as I get older the foreskin starts to come back a bit on its own.


that's an illusion. in reality your dick is just getting smaller.



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