8/17 Bachmann="Quiver Movement," 8/18 Quivers"almost killed"

[Marie Laveau]

Hugh- I like you. I might not get everything you are trying to say, but you are part of what makes Rig Int a beautiful place.

Been reading you for years, as I have everyone here, and I think you are probably on the right track in your summations, if for no other reason than the weird synchronicity of the universe.

That is all.

[Marie Laveau]

It's not all the CIA. There is a whole lot more of the weird out there than any human agency could ever muster. Unconsciousness and consciousness is one big hall of mirrors reflecting off one another that has been sought to be corralled (and profited from) for thousands of years.

See? This is what I'm talking about! Thanks, 82_28.

[Wombaticus Rex]

source: http://www.tampabay.com/news/religion/h ... ts/1088043

The group, composed largely of Phelps-Roper's extended family, claims to have participated in 43,000 protests in the past 19 years without accepting any outside donations.

Church members say they pay the costs themselves.

As Phelps-Roper, a church leader, notes: "Who the hell is going to give us anything?"

Public records, interviews and past news coverage reveal a tax-exempt church that appears to have no significant income other than the donations of its 85 members, and the occasional cash generated by the litigation their protests spawn.

The group, which espouses a fire-and-brimstone Calvinist theology embracing a vengeful God, said it spends about $200,000 annually on protests. The Hillsborough trip, Phelps-Roper said, will cost $2,000.

"It's difficult to figure out how Shirley can raise 10 or 11 children and simultaneously travel the country a great part of the year," said attorney Sean Summers, who has battled Westboro in court. "It seems nearly impossible."

....

The father of a Pennsylvania Marine killed in Iraq sued Westboro in 2006 over its protest at his son's funeral. The father was ordered by an appeals court to pay Westboro $16,510 in costs, ruling that it had a First Amendment right to demonstrate.

The U.S. Supreme Court is expected to hear an appeal of that decision this fall, a potential bellwether case on First Amendment rights.

The U.S. Northern Command, monitoring protests at military bases, issued an advisory about Westboro in 2005 saying church funding came from litigation.

"This group does employ passive-aggressive techniques intended to provoke a hostile response or offensive reaction from others," Northern Command wrote. "This group will then file a civil action in an effort to reach a settlement in order to fund future activities."

But even some Westboro critics say the church's few legal victories wouldn't cover its costs.

"There just aren't as many lawsuits as people speculate about," Summers said.

Phelps-Roper, 52, said litigation funds nothing. Church members — 80 percent of them are related by blood or marriage — cover their own expenses and tithe to the church, she said.

"We work. We pay our own way. We don't ask for anything from anyone,'' Phelps-Roper said. "If someone sends us a check, we return it with a nice letter."

Numerous family members are attorneys and work for a family law firm, including Phelps-Roper. Others have jobs in Kansas state government, including the state's Department of Corrections.

The Phelps family "donate their money to the church. They get a tax deduction. The church gets the money. And they get it tax-free," Summers said.

In court filings, Westboro has claimed $442,800 in real estate holdings, an $86,000 mortgage and $50,000 in cash or personal property.

But critics say those modest numbers are untrustworthy.

Nate Phelps, 51, said he left the family when he was 18 because he had grown to hate his father, Westboro's pastor and founder.

As a child, he said, he and his 12 siblings were forced to sell candy around Kansas, telling people that the money would be used for a new church organ and piano.

But Nate Phelps said that was a lie because the Topeka church also was advertising to obtain donated pianos and organs.

The candy money funded the family's living expenses in the days before it began protesting, he said. The church now requires members to pay it 30 percent of their income, rather than the traditional 10 percent tithe, he said.

Westboro insists he is lying on all of his accusations.

Phelps-Roper said the money comes from God. She said, "He loans us what we need."

[Simulist]

Wasn't there a discussion here fairly recently about Phelps having been invited by the FBI to attend some workshop or something?

Maybe Mr. Phelps and friends are paid agents provocateurs, doing their part to help fuel culture wars that keep "us" divided even as the ruling class continues to flourish.

[Marie Laveau]

Phelps-Roper said the money comes from God. She said, "He loans us what we need."

In God We Trust

FBI Trains Westboro at Quantico

http://www.npr.org/about/press/2011/062 ... _Base.html

[Marie Laveau]

Wasn't there a discussion here fairly recently about Phelps having been invited by the FBI to attend some workshop or something?

Maybe Mr. Phelps and friends are paid agents provocateurs, doing their part to help fuel culture wars that keep "us" divided even as the ruling class continues to flourish.

This is exactly what I'm getting at. The fact that one or more of these imbiciles hasn't been whacked certainly says a lot about the restraint of the American people.

But it certainly would do a lot to further "judicial restraints."

[Simulist]

Thanks, Marie.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

O.M.G.

The nonsense posted by barracuda and Wombaticus Rex on page one are unbelievable obfuscations and distortions of an obvious psyop-by-car-attack keyword manipulation of the news cycle.
Oh, and they are 'moderators' of this board.

'professor pan' lives.

Readers, learn. Question. Who makes sense? Who creates artificial disqualifications of logic? "NO! Quiver FULL. So the word "quiver" is irrelevant!!" That's what barracuda posted. Um, why?

What are the stakes for this psyop-by-car-attack? THE REPUBLICAN LEAD CANDIDATE WAS EXPOSED AS A BRONZE-AGE LYING SACK OF SHIT WHO WANTS WOMEN TO BE SLAVES TO MEN.

So how do you think this info would play with un-committed female voters? Not good? Riiiiiiiigghhht!!
What is the Republican Party? The civilian facade of the Wall-Street-Pentagon Nazi party? Riiiiiighhhht!

Are there men trained in automobile violence who could finesse a "360 degree turn" and hit Robin Quivers who was tracked on GPS. YEEEESSSSS.

Get a clue.

[Nordic]

Hugh, you've gone even more off the deep end than you ever were.

It's really kind of messed up. You should seriously seek help.

Not that you will, because you're convinced you're absolutely right about all of this stuff.

But c'mon, even you should be able to take a step back and see how absolutely ludicrous your OP is here. Please?

[82_28]

Hugh, c'mon bro. Just c'mon. Can you not see where simply on the face of it, people are going to react not as you want them to?

What kind of a clue is needed to be gotten? Everyone here is versed in the RIsh. Everyone reads you. Nobody is an idiot. State your claim more clearly, dude. Nobody is OBFUSCATING jack shit, mang.

I love not using Occam's Razor for a lot of shit people tell me I should because I find not using it to be far more interesting. But, man. C'mon!

We're all a team and I can be testy too and get my dose, but you need slightly more here.

[barracuda]

O.M.G.

The nonsense posted by barracuda and Wombaticus Rex on page one are unbelievable obfuscations and distortions of an obvious psyop-by-car-attack keyword manipulation of the news cycle.
Oh, and they are 'moderators' of this board.

'professor pan' lives.

Readers, learn. Question. Who makes sense? Who creates artificial disqualifications of logic? "NO! Quiver FULL. So the word "quiver" is irrelevant!!" That's what barracuda posted. Um, why?

I'm trying to make sense here, Hugh, of why you would misquote the interview in your OP. I mean, your psyop theory hinges, we may presume, upon the word and how it is used. It matters, and you fudged the data.

Besides that, how many potential Republican women voters do you think actually listen ot the Howard Stern show? Any? I'm still not understanding how this thing works.

What are the stakes for this psyop-by-car-attack? THE REPUBLICAN LEAD CANDIDATE WAS EXPOSED AS A BRONZE-AGE LYING SACK OF SHIT WHO WANTS WOMEN TO BE SLAVES TO MEN.

And how is the dissemnation of that fact, which has been widely, widely reported upon, affected by the Robin Quivers story? This is a weak example, bro.

Also, what exactly does being a moderator have to do with any of this nonsense?

[Nordic]

This place needs to gang up and do some kind of an intervention on Hugh. The man is obviously mentally ill, yet he is encouraged here. It's really kind of sick. Tell the man to get some help, he's really messed up. I mean this one is SO far beyond what passes as "normal" for Hugh, it's really pretty damn disturbing.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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[barracuda]

Nordic, the forum content advsiory stipulates that, "this is not an appropriate venue for soliciting or offering diagnoses of ... psychological disturbance or any similar history or condition." Let's try and keep it to a minimum, please.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

barracuda, give the board an example of psyops. Surely you have a unique perspective.
-thx.