Hollywood Scripting

[Searcher08]

Nordic’s experience with the hierarchy of relative influence (outlined above) coincides with mine. This further demonstrates that film making is a perilous process with production dependent largely upon he opinions, perspectives, preferences and personalities of the main players involved. That’s also why professional quality and experience at all levels determine the successful outcome. And the performers are literally at the core of the character in the end result.

I think there is also an issue around the sheer unpredictability of film shooting (except to some extent of someone like Speilberg (whose creation process seems very synced with the best practice tech available and whose crews have often all worked with each other), the film making process is a great example of a dynamical social system, with the 'small changes can create big effects' principle is much in evidence. Sometimes 'magic' happens, but it is an event that doesn't seem to coincide with artistic vision, technical excellence, a happy crew.

Just as an aside, I was fascinated to read that Peter Jackson was having severe problems with The Hobbit from the technology point of view

http://guyism.com/entertainment/movies/the-hobbit-screening-preview.html

I couldn’t be at the special preview screening of The Hobbit at CinemaCon in Las Vegas because I had other things to do. Like get laid. Peter Jackson’s return to Middle-Earth has been a long time coming, but the movie is finally scheduled for release this year. Unfortunately, the ten minutes they showed over the weekend kind of freaked a lot of people out.

The Hobbit is shot with a new film process that is not only 3-D but also runs at 48 frames per second – twice the speed of normal film. In theory, this makes for even smoother, clearer and more engrossing action. In practice, though, it makes for something different.

Critics at the screening raved over the new technology when it came to the opening moments – the aerial shots over the lush forests of Middle-Earth were stunning. But the moment actors hit the screen, everything went downhill. Here are some typical reactions.

People on Twitter have asked if it has that soap opera look you get from badly calibrated TVs at Best Buy, and the answer is an emphatic YES.

- Devin Faraci, BadassDigest

It looks like live television or hi-def video. And it didn’t look particularly good.

- Jim Vejvoda, IGN

The list goes on, but unilaterally most people are not impressed by the new technology. This is going to come as a serious blow to filmmakers including James Cameron, who have been trumpeting 48 frames per second as the next big thing. Let’s face it, though: does it really matter how fast the movie’s going? The original Lord of the Rings movies looked just fine at 24fps. And in 2-D, to boot.

[JackRiddler]

... only a minority of those exposed to the marketing will ever watch the movie in any form.
.....

I've posted that here more times than I can recall. Glad you've agreed with this assertion and chosen to repeat it.

I've always agreed with this assertion and have said so here on other occasions, including to you. It's obvious, practically axiomatic in a society in which corporate-owned mostly one-way mass-media are omnipresent and "brand" has become religion, that the corporate-financed mass-media marketing of anything will have a minimum of 10+ times the reach of the product itself.

Now, can you find the military-recruiting-of-females themes in that 'Spy vs Spy' pictogram?
Exactly where on her body is the word "war?"

If you read my post, you will see that I too saw the obvious.

The rest of this is also (mostly) fine with me:

As I've asserted many times, SINGLE people are vastly more recruitable than those married-with-kidz.
So psyops efforts are made to remind girls to guard their genitals and
psyops efforts are made to warn males against the eeeevil influence of 'those immoral uncapable disloyal females'-

Although while this one functionally does what you say - women, family as burden to protagonist male - it is 99.999% certain to be an inevitable product of the sexist conditioning we've all been put through in the culture, and not of a military psyops program.

Gee, why has CIA-Disney put that 'ugly naked mole rat' pink looking thing in every image of the soldier-girl?

While on that one you may actually be right.

Anyway, there's no denying your many reasonable observations, out of your 11,000 posts or whatever the total is. My problem with you is the same as pretty much everyone else's:

1) Attitude.

2) Devotion to fundamentally confusionist extranea of your 1001 mostly ludicrous kwh examples, such as the assertion that the use in the title of a UK movie of the name Johnny - Johnny, for fuck's sake, the most obvious Generic Everyman Name in the English-speaking world - is actually planned kwh on Dalton Trumbo's post-WWI book. Magnified by the attitude you show when people don't accept incredible stretches of this kind as self-evident, it makes you suspect. Why are you making it so hard for people on this board to examine the possible shapes of the real-existing psyops system (which after all is mostly covert and subject to speculation about the "dark matter") by spraying all this fanciful prima-facie bullshit on the endeavor and constantly making yourself the center of attention? It smacks of the role of the no-planes group within the 9/11 truth movement, don't you think? And if you see these things that are invisible or ridiculous to almost all others, and really wanted to gradually educate people about them, you'd approach it with more humility and care, don't you think?

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[Searcher08]

Nordic’s experience with the hierarchy of relative influence (outlined above) coincides with mine. This further demonstrates that film making is a perilous process with production dependent largely upon he opinions, perspectives, preferences and personalities of the main players involved. That’s also why professional quality and experience at all levels determine the successful outcome. And the performers are literally at the core of the character in the end result.

I think there is also an issue around the sheer unpredictability of film shooting (except to some extent of someone like Speilberg (whose creation process seems very synced with the best practice tech available and whose crews have often all worked with each other), the film making process is a great example of a dynamical social system, with the 'small changes can create big effects' principle is much in evidence. Sometimes 'magic' happens, but it is an event that doesn't seem to coincide with artistic vision, technical excellence, a happy crew.

Just as an aside, I was fascinated to read that Peter Jackson was having severe problems with The Hobbit from the technology point of view

http://guyism.com/entertainment/movies/the-hobbit-screening-preview.html

I couldn’t be at the special preview screening of The Hobbit at CinemaCon in Las Vegas because I had other things to do. Like get laid. Peter Jackson’s return to Middle-Earth has been a long time coming, but the movie is finally scheduled for release this year. Unfortunately, the ten minutes they showed over the weekend kind of freaked a lot of people out.

The Hobbit is shot with a new film process that is not only 3-D but also runs at 48 frames per second – twice the speed of normal film. In theory, this makes for even smoother, clearer and more engrossing action. In practice, though, it makes for something different.

Critics at the screening raved over the new technology when it came to the opening moments – the aerial shots over the lush forests of Middle-Earth were stunning. But the moment actors hit the screen, everything went downhill. Here are some typical reactions.

People on Twitter have asked if it has that soap opera look you get from badly calibrated TVs at Best Buy, and the answer is an emphatic YES.

- Devin Faraci, BadassDigest

It looks like live television or hi-def video. And it didn’t look particularly good.

- Jim Vejvoda, IGN

The list goes on, but unilaterally most people are not impressed by the new technology. This is going to come as a serious blow to filmmakers including James Cameron, who have been trumpeting 48 frames per second as the next big thing. Let’s face it, though: does it really matter how fast the movie’s going? The original Lord of the Rings movies looked just fine at 24fps. And in 2-D, to boot.

Edited to add:
I believe there was an episode of the X Files which was shot as an experiment using video (not sure if it was HD) instead of film. It totally destroyed every trace of the episode's atmosphere.
Be interested in any perspectives on this...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

wow. Reverse-engineering that 'johnny Was' movie and director was very informative. And relevent.
And the director, Brendan Foley, is a titan of a psyoperator.

I learned things about the Mumia Abdul Jamal case (Paris street named after him/US Congressmen condemn this, a court appeal) I didn't know from the write/release dates. (The poster + theme = Philadelphia police firebombing the Move building which Mumia wrote about.)

All that bass-heavy black music soundtrack for the target-audience-of-color (Katrina crimes against blacks amplify concerns)
also evokes 'The Base' also known as 'al-Queda'.
Used many times. I could list'em. Everyday on NPR.
(See Greg Kinnear playing a movie character named "Ray Brown" just before 9/11. Nice elevator scenes.)


Foley (ironic name for a psyoperator) had a movie distributed inside 'The Mail on Sunday' in the UK. A 'conservative' MI6 rag.
That's top shelf psyops marketing!
Oh! It was a cover-up of....propaganda scripts!
And a clever way to mirror the relationship of fiction to reality, physically placing the movie in 'the news.' Professionals, my my.

2007 was when CIA-Hollywood really started to decoy the discovery of their script system. And that director pitched in with-

"Only when they solve the riddle of the manuscript are they able to solve the present day crime..."

"He wrote, produced and directed thriller The Riddle in 2006, starring Derek Jacobi, Vinnie Jones and Vanessa Redgrave. In September 2007, The Riddle became the world's first feature film to be released as a DVD premiere by a national newspaper. The UK's Mail on Sunday bought UK DVD rights and distributed 2.6 million copies, making the film one of the most widely watched independent films in the UK."

"...the riddle of the manuscript..."
Put a tail on Brendan Foley's caterer!

Now why would a psyoperator like Foley use a Charles Dickens manuscript as his plot McGuffin?


Besides the fact that associations with Dickens will be retriggered every Christmas (and by juvenile sexual innuendo),
there's the aroma of psyoperator inside-joke impunity syndrome since Dickens made fun of over-extended intelligence in his
'Mudfog Papers.' That's a central theme of psyops, obfuscation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mudfog_Papers

A common description of psyops, counter-propaganda, counter-intelligence is 'a wilderness of mirrors,' 'blowing smoke,'
and other evocations of impaired or distorted vision. How appropriate from a perp named "Foley."

Foley artists use creativity to make viewers believe that the sound effects are actually real.

Dickens' satire called 'The Mudfog Papers' was even cited in Norbert Weiner's iconic 1950 book called-
'The Use of Human Beings: 'Cybernetics and Society.'
A topic on which a psyoperator is likely to be fairly well-read.

[Stephen Morgan]

I don't know why people are pretending to have inside knowledge because they've worked on a couple of movies. Are you seriously suggesting than Hollywood isn't heavily influenced by the CIA, Pentagon and so on? Or are you quibbling over a matter of degree? Are you thinking that CIA media assets will wear one of these?:

[JackRiddler]

I don't know why people are pretending to have inside knowledge because they've worked on a couple of movies. Are you seriously suggesting than Hollywood isn't heavily influenced by the CIA, Pentagon and so on? Or are you quibbling over a matter of degree? Are you thinking that CIA media assets will wear one of these?:

Strawman question: "Are you seriously suggesting than Hollywood isn't heavily influenced by the CIA, Pentagon and so on?" No one did. People here are trying to look at empirical models for means, how is it done? Thanks for your easily incredulous non-contribution.

That's a central theme of psyops, obfuscation.

Yes. So go back over your last post and say what is it you are doing exactly with your free-associative leaps?

[Stephen Morgan]

I don't know why people are pretending to have inside knowledge because they've worked on a couple of movies. Are you seriously suggesting than Hollywood isn't heavily influenced by the CIA, Pentagon and so on? Or are you quibbling over a matter of degree? Are you thinking that CIA media assets will wear one of these?:

Strawman question: "Are you seriously suggesting than Hollywood isn't heavily influenced by the CIA, Pentagon and so on?" No one did. People here are trying to look at empirical models for means, how is it done? Thanks for your easily incredulous non-contribution.

No, people are claiming to have inside knowledge, that this allows them to know what's going on and that what's going on is definitely not what Hugh thinks is going on. Their "model" excludes covert action.

[JackRiddler]

No, people are claiming to have inside knowledge, that this allows them to know what's going on and that what's going on is definitely not what Hugh thinks is going on. Their "model" excludes covert action.

One can only conclude you didn't read this thread, or read it with your conclusions already predetermined to the point of just making up this interpretation contrary to what people actually wrote. peartreed in the OP, for example, is not claiming "inside knowledge" but experience in movie making. Anyone without that experience could know the same things, he's not pretending his knowledge is exclusive. He isn't excluding covert action, but pointing out the stages in the process where such covert action could actually be brought to bear. Hugh on the other hand entirely omits mechanics of covert action. His presentations are almost always his own word associations based on movie posters presented as definitive evidence that covert action (psyops) must have been responsible for these particular associations, even when the "connections" (as they usually are) are patently absurd. This actually distracts from how psyops may in fact be done in the real world, and serves to make the whole subject ridiculous -- in the same way Hugh would argue, and I would agree, that the X-Files formula of mixing in magic and fictional treatments of extraterrestrials with known parapolitical history serves to turn whole realms of legitimate inquiry into dismissable fictional entertainment strictly limited to a "conspiracy theorist" market demographic.

[JackRiddler]

No, people are claiming to have inside knowledge, that this allows them to know what's going on and that what's going on is definitely not what Hugh thinks is going on. Their "model" excludes covert action.

One can only conclude you didn't read this thread, or read it with your conclusions already predetermined to the point of just making up this interpretation contrary to what people actually wrote. peartreed in the OP, for example, is not claiming "inside knowledge" but experience in movie making. Anyone without that experience could know the same things, he's not pretending his knowledge is exclusive. He isn't excluding covert action, but pointing out the stages in the process where such covert action could actually be brought to bear. Hugh on the other hand entirely omits mechanics of covert action. His presentations are almost always his own word associations based on movie posters presented as definitive evidence that covert action (psyops) must have been responsible for these particular associations, even when the "connections" (as they usually are) are patently absurd. This actually distracts from how psyops may in fact be done in the real world, and serves to make the whole subject ridiculous -- in the same way Hugh would argue, and I would agree, that the X-Files formula of mixing in magic and fictional treatments of extraterrestrials with known parapolitical history serves to turn whole realms of legitimate inquiry into dismissable fictional entertainment strictly limited to a "conspiracy theorist" market demographic.

[Nordic]

Yeah we're just saying that this fantasy black-ops hollywood nightmare that hmw has cooked up in his head is just a paranoid delusion. And for people who actually have real world experience in the biz things are completely different.

Of course there is corporate and fascist propagandist strains in hollywood, some of quite overt. "24" for instance, which its creator, Joel Surnow, basically admitted was propaganda, just as he proudly touted his friendship with Rish Limbaugh. Then there are the other recent examples such as that Katy Perry video and that movie "Acts of Valor".

Then there is the constant rewriting of history with shows like that excreable "the path to 9/11", produced by the clearly right wing and creepy Disney empire.

But hollywood is most certainly not a literal division of the cia, with spooks choosing charcter names based on obscure bit players in long-dead historical events, or choosing colors in movie posters based on the same. Movies are not constantly whipped in a matter of days as reactions to current events. Even when they do make a project based on big true eents it usually takes uears to get them completed.

[peartreed]

JackRiddler is quite right in his response to Stephen Morgan regarding my intent to contribute to discovering the method involved in any mass media manipulation, particularly as it affects the film industry and “Hollywood” scripts. Nordic also has the context clear.

My own interest has evolved from highly personal childhood and family incidents involving altered perceptions and, later, external mind manipulation. The MK Ultra experiments of Dr. Ewen Cameron occurred in my neighborhood back then and I knew many of the children described as, “Duplessis orphans” used in that research.

In the first decade of my working career I traveled the world directing advertising agencies in 20 countries on behalf of an international service firm I worked for.

I had also read the book, “The Hidden Persuaders” by Vance Packard, out of personal interest, and was actively searching for any evidence of subliminals.

My next two decades in the film industry helped me focus my avocational interest in mind and media manipulation and its impact on international cultures. My film work involved several roles on several dozen productions, including writing, producing, directing and many roles as a cast and crew member. In later years I was elected by my peers to preside over an organization of several thousand film workers and negotiate their contracts with, among others, the Hollywood studio producers (AMPTP). So my perspective comes from that inside involvement.

I was drawn to RI by the obvious shared interest in how minds can be manipulated.

Where I depart from HMW is not in the recognition of the involvement of psyops and cointelpro conspiracies in media, but rather in the degree he has extrapolated his findings into the patently absurd extremes of total CIA control of all media and culture, and his particular fantasies formulating KWH associations more obscure than remote twin particle quantum behavior.

I’m also astounded that a self-declared anti-fascist would be such a rigid extremist in his convictions and by his rude, totalitarian tone of dismissing and denigrating the less informed. Other than that we probably have quite a bit in common.

But I will admit that HMW’s participation makes an otherwise compelling interest arduous to the point of demoralizing, and worrying our collective credibility suffers by it. His techniques are themselves reminiscent of less-than-subtle interference.

[Elvis]

All that bass-heavy black music soundtrack for the target-audience-of-color (Katrina crimes against blacks amplify concerns)
also evokes 'The Base' also known as 'al-Queda'.

[Joe Hillshoist]

wow. Reverse-engineering that 'johnny Was' movie and director was very informative. And relevent.
And the director, Brendan Foley, is a titan of a psyoperator.

I learned things about the Mumia Abdul Jamal case (Paris street named after him/US Congressmen condemn this, a court appeal) I didn't know from the write/release dates. (The poster + theme = Philadelphia police firebombing the Move building which Mumia wrote about.)

All that bass-heavy black music soundtrack for the target-audience-of-color (Katrina crimes against blacks amplify concerns)
also evokes 'The Base' also known as 'al-Queda'.
Used many times. I could list'em. Everyday on NPR.
(See Greg Kinnear playing a movie character named "Ray Brown" just before 9/11. Nice elevator scenes.)

Johnny? 1938 anti-war iconic book-

Johnny fights to realize a peace process of his own, but makes the mistake of falling for Julius's girlfriend Rita, causing all-out war.

Many hundreds of post-WWII psyops scripts have this gender theme, female = root of all evil.
Resonates with Bible-ists who think "Eve."
Intended for militarists since women create life and don't fall for that war scam the same way males do.
Constant reminders to avoid 'peaceniks' and 'honeypots.'

Johnny Was - an iconic Stiff Little Fingers anti Northern Ireland Violence song. (Based on/cover of another iconic anti violence song by some pothead...)

Woman hold her head and cry
Cause her son had been shot down in the street and died
From a stray bullet



(it takes 2 seconds to steal a riff, steal a riff...)


Seriously hugh every time you do this you destroy any cred you have. You're trying to fit the territory to the map ... without ever making allowances for inaccuracies in the map.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

sigh...a very long post disappeared to "timed out session"....hunh?

Seems none of you online will ever put the time in to the subject. Moving on.

[Simulist]

sigh...a very long post disappeared to "timed out session"....hunh?

Seems none of you online will ever put the time in to the subject. Moving on.

Translation: "Nobody's buying this anymore. Ciao."