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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby lucky » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:10 am

I saw a DB show in London a few months ago - really incredible stuff but there wrer two things I think pertinent ,one he asked the audience not to talk about the show as it would spoil it for others who had yet to see it and two which is really weird, when i was at work trying to explain some of the 'tricks' he performed I couldnt remember the details - it was very strange i could picture what he did but the words wouldnt come out or got confused.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:54 am

Gnomad wrote:Indeed. And he did select for the most hypnotically suggestible person from amongst the crowd.


He did an episode where he talked a random man off the street into walking into a shop and stealing a very large flat screen television, just walking off with it. He was quite surprised, when the staff caught up with him, that he's done it. This programme was just a lengthened version of the same stunt.

CIA certainly uses a variety of psychoactive drugs, some of which we probably do not even know about. I think that much is a given, considering how many compounds even creative hobbyists (like Dr. Shulgin) have come up with, and what those kinds of compounds are able to accomplish when combined with torture, sensory deprivation, or some unknown methods like direct electrical etc. stimulation of the brain, or even embedded electrodes to certain brain areas. This is nothing new to them, and I fear there is much we don't know about their techniques. Knowing a bit about a few psychoactives, I shudder to think about it.


Stimoceivers, narcohypnosis, electronic dissolution of memory, and so on, yes. Microwaves putting voices in people's heads. I was just writing a poem about James Shelby Downard, well more of a limerick, and it's convenient to find a rhyme between phimosis, gnosis and narcohypnosis.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:56 am

lucky wrote:I saw a DB show in London a few months ago - really incredible stuff but there wrer two things I think pertinent ,one he asked the audience not to talk about the show as it would spoil it for others who had yet to see it and two which is really weird, when i was at work trying to explain some of the 'tricks' he performed I couldnt remember the details - it was very strange i could picture what he did but the words wouldnt come out or got confused.


He did one show in which the studio audience were completely unable to remember anything that had happened after the show, although that obviously didn't work over TV cameras.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:50 pm

BrandonD wrote:However, if one is planning on utilizing the hypnotic programming of that person right away, then perhaps trauma is not needed at all because the memories do not need to be deeply buried.


Dissociation and hypnosis are just variations on a theme, anyway. Loud noises can hypnotise birds so they fall out of the sky, bright lights can knock out humans (see the conspiracy theory about dead Di and the Parid underpass), hypnosis is just a purely psychological form and TBMC a more moderate form.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Gnomad » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:24 pm

Regarding effects of lights, back in 2007:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/0 ... nd-secu-3/

The Department of Homeland Security is funding the creation an LED flashlight that uses powerful flashes of light to temporarily blind, disorient and incapacitate people. Homeland Security’s Science and Technology arm hopes government agents can use the “light saber” to arrest people on planes and at the borders without using traditional weapons.

The LED Incapacitator uses a range-finder to measure the distance to a target’s eyes and then unleashes continually changing, multi-color light pulses that both blind and disorient the person. Intelligent Optical Systems, a small company in Torrance, CA, is developing the weapon with money from Homeland Security’s Science and Technology division, which thinks its possible to have the weapon deployed to cops, National Guard troops and border agents by 2010.

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The tool could be scaled up to make a light bazooka that could subdue a crowd, but the company is focusing on miniaturizing the device to make it resemble a traditional D-cell Maglite. Right now the prototype is a non-svelte 15 inches by 4 inches wide.

But first the company’s chief scientist Vladimir Rubtsov wants to discover more powerful patterns and colors, which he’ll get this fall with tests on volunteers at Penn State University’s Institute for Nonlethal Defense Technology.

”There’s one wavelength that gets everybody,” Lieberman said, according to the newsletter. “Vlad calls it the evil color.”



Was discussed here too, I'm sure.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:03 am

The evil colour isn't what I had in mind, I was thinking of the strobe operated by the Stasi which relies on the suddenness and extreme brightness of the flash to incapacitate rather than the frequency of the light.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Gnomad » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:40 am

Yes, I posted that only to show that all kinds of interesting effects can be achieved through the sensory organs.

Back when I went to raves a lot, I often hallucinated quite nicely with only the aid of the strobes and dancing (and the music, naturally).
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby TheDuke » Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:33 am

http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogsp ... notic.html

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2011

Evidence For The Existence Of A Hypnotic State Found
Researchers have found evidence for the existence of a hypnotic state -- the key was in the glazed staring eyes

The Hypnotically Induced Stare (HIS)

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Credit: University of Turku and Aalto University/PLoS

A multidisciplinary group of researchers from Finland (University of Turku and Aalto University) and Sweden (University of Skövde) has found that strange stare may be a key that can eventually lead to a solution to this long debate about the existence of a hypnotic state.

One of the most widely known features of a hypnotized person in the popular culture is a glazed, wide-open look in the eyes. Paradoxically, this sign has not been considered to have any major importance among researchers and has never been studied in any detail, probably due to the fact that it can be seen in only some hypnotized people.

This study was done with a very highly hypnotizable participant who can be hypnotized and dehypnotized by just using a one-word cue. The change between hypnotic state and normal state can thus be varied in seconds.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:56 am

Mouse up if the person's stare on the right reminds you of Hillary Clinton. Seriously.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Gnomad » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:12 am

Interesting, TheDuke. From one of my local universities, nonetheless. And yea it sure does, Searcher08. Thou I have always thought she must either be a manic, or on some heavy med shit.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Sounder » Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:53 am

Maybe someone can help out with proper spelling here. There is a term from the East called 'sapacu' that refers to an eye condition where the whites show both above and below the pupil. I believe that it is taken as an indicator of insanity. And yes I immediately thought of Hillery upon seeing that photo.

You know, science could do us a real big favor if they could determine empirically, the segment of the achiever class that is not fit for making decisions. Unfortunately it might be the whole lot given that they are the ones responsible for maintaining this 'world'.

Limitations of our pretenses keep us all hypnotized to one degree or another because we only see what we believe we can see.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:48 pm

I watched this today while eating my lunch. I liked it.
I especially appreciated Mr. Brown's liberal use of polka dots throughout the viewing.

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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:14 am

Still haven't watched the whole show yet, but if Derren Brown comes out in a polka dot dress for the finale, I might well perform a spontaneous backflip out the window, and not due to any programming. Does he actually go into all that?!? I think I might like him after all.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:15 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:Still haven't watched the whole show yet, but if Derren Brown comes out in a polka dot dress for the finale, I might well perform a spontaneous backflip out the window, and not due to any programming. Does he actually go into all that?!? I think I might like him after all.


He doesn't wear it himself, no.
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