Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

[Nordic]

Nothing would surprise me.

If it were some kind of false flag I'm sure the gunmen believed in what they were doing. How hard would it be to find some patsies for this sort of thing?

Right now you could easily find some gun toting rednecks to kill people who criticize Chris Kyle and "American sniper". People really aren't that different.

[justdrew]

Well, I agree with Sisi...

and it seems clear to me that we have every bit as much of an obligation to oppose political islam as political christianity. Far more so possibly, given that the incidence rate of Christian terrorism is lower.

This news item isn't getting much play outside the rabid "hate islam" web, but it's a real event that deserves looking at...

Speaking before Al-Azhar and the Awqaf Ministry on New Year’s Day, 2015, and in connection to Prophet Muhammad’s upcoming birthday, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, a vocal supporter for a renewed vision of Islam, made what must be his most forceful and impassioned plea to date on the subject.

Among other things, Sisi said that the “corpus of [Islamic] texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the years” are “antagonizing the entire world”; that it is not “possible that 1.6 billion people [reference to the world’s Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live”; and that Egypt (or the Islamic world in its entirety) “is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.”

The relevant excerpt from Sisi’s speech follows (translation by Michele Antaki):

I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facing—and I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. It’s inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!

That thinking—I am not saying “religion” but “thinking”—that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the years, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It’s antagonizing the entire world!

Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants—that is 7 billion—so that they themselves may live? Impossible!

I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulema—Allah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which I’m talking about now.

All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move… because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.

Note: It is unclear if in the last instance of umma Sisi is referring to Egypt (“the nation”) or if he is using it in the pan-Islamic sense as he did initially to refer to the entire Islamic world.

[freemason9]

stupid fucking Muslims. prove me wrong.

[solace]

Just a few thoughts:

They've already named suspects. How? Reminds me of 9/11 when they named names a little too quickly.

This coincides with Palestine joining the ICC and Israeli throwing a hissy fit about it. Yes they want to shut off what electricity the Palestinians have because of this.

There was never a better time, from the point of Israel, to seriously ratchet up hatred of Muslims.

And it worked.

Pure speculation I'll admit.

Another thought: who are we to condemn this and resort to hatred when our own government drone-bombs wedding parties and slaughters innocent people on a far more regular and systematic basis. How is this any more horrifying than what the Zisraelis did to Gaza last year?

The hypocrisy I'm seeing today is, well, predictable and godawful. Embarrassing to the human race.

Fucking antisemite. Trust you to put Islamic shit on Jews.

[Nordic]

Just a few thoughts:

They've already named suspects. How? Reminds me of 9/11 when they named names a little too quickly.

This coincides with Palestine joining the ICC and Israeli throwing a hissy fit about it. Yes they want to shut off what electricity the Palestinians have because of this.

There was never a better time, from the point of Israel, to seriously ratchet up hatred of Muslims.

And it worked.

Pure speculation I'll admit.

Another thought: who are we to condemn this and resort to hatred when our own government drone-bombs wedding parties and slaughters innocent people on a far more regular and systematic basis. How is this any more horrifying than what the Zisraelis did to Gaza last year?

The hypocrisy I'm seeing today is, well, predictable and godawful. Embarrassing to the human race.

Fucking antisemite. Trust you to put Islamic shit on Jews.

[Nordic]

[Wombaticus Rex]

Fucking antisemite. Trust you to put Islamic shit on Jews.

I...what?

Can you qualify that or wind it back? Do have anything to contribute but single-sentence "ZOMG"isms?

Maybe we could all aspire for a little more depth than this going forward, no matter what the subject matter?

stupid fucking Muslims. prove me wrong.

Noun is Adjective. Your move, lib-tards.

[solace]

Fucking antisemite. Trust you to put Islamic shit on Jews.

I...what?

Can you qualify that or wind it back? Do have anything to contribute but single-sentence "ZOMG"isms?

Maybe we could all aspire for a little more depth than this going forward, no matter what the subject matter?

stupid fucking Muslims. prove me wrong.

Noun is Adjective. Your move, lib-tards.

A little more depth??????? How be Nordic gives us a summary of his copy of the Protocols (along with say a dog picture) and everybody thank him for being a long time poster?

There, that's TWO sentences. Actually three now. Oh wait four. Fukkit.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I am not a fan of reflexively "Israel?"ing any terror attack, but I also know there's plenty of documented history re: IDF / Mossad assassinations and complicated (and damn impressive!) ops. I'm in a strange position, though, insofar as 1) I think a lot of "Mossad" attributions are basically "Illuminati" and yet 2) what I take for granted in terms of Mossad's capabilities surpasses sci-fi.

I don't think Nordic raising that question equates to "a summary of his copy of the Protocols" but I don't want to keep adding sentences to all this confusion. Or all that confusion. Or...shit.

[brekin]

From Wikipedia:

Charlie Hebdo (French pronunciation: ​[ʃaʁli ɛbdo]; French for Weekly Charlie) is a French satirical weekly newspaper, featuring cartoons, reports, polemics, and jokes. Irreverent and stridently non-conformist in tone, the publication is strongly antireligious[2] and left-wing, publishing articles on the extreme right, Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, politics, culture, etc. According to its former editor, Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier), the magazine's editorial viewpoint reflects "all components of left wing pluralism, and even abstainers".[3]

For the false flag angle, funny how not too many far right magazines that are always denouncing Muslims/Islams/Terrorists seem to be targets like this, huh? It would be interesting to know what, if any, leads Charlie Hebdo was pursuing that were more about the extreme right or political scandals in general. I mean this is a perfect gift for the extreme right. They silence a dissenting critic, get to justify their rhetoric about Islam encroachment and immigration, "prove" to liberals they are too coddling and naive about the terror threat and get to make the country more police state. I mean there are no shortage of fanatical wingnuts who would do this over a cartoon, but sometimes things just seem to too neat and tidy.

[Nordic]

From journalist Pepe Escobar's facebook page:




And from a post of his earlier:

..... this had nothing to do with Af-Pak in the first place. It's blowback from Libya and Syraq. And it could also be a perfectly executed false flag. I'm sifting through the debris. Article coming soon on Asia Times.

I guess he's an antisemite, too, if he entertains the POSSIBILITY that it's a false flag.

[solace]

"Charb, who was reportedly among those killed in today's attack, was placed on a list of "al-Qaeda's Most Wanted" in 2013, along with the original editors at Jyllands-Posten. His final cartoon, published in the last issue before the attack, read "No attacks in France yet; No attacks in France yet; wait! There's until end of Jan to wish Happy New Year."

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ck/384286/

https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/statu ... 4281112576

Is this why they did it? A dare?

[justdrew]

Sharpening Contradictions: Why al-Qaeda attacked Satirists in Paris
Al-Qaeda wants to mentally colonize French Muslims, but faces a wall of disinterest. But if it can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.

[elfismiles]

Thanks JD, I needed that...

Sharpening Contradictions: Why al-Qaeda attacked Satirists in Paris
Al-Qaeda wants to mentally colonize French Muslims, but faces a wall of disinterest. But if it can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.

[jingofever]

Fucking antisemite. Trust you to put Islamic shit on Jews.

I...what?

You can usually safely assume that somebody who names himself 'Nordic' is antisemitic. I do not believe that is the case with our Nordic but maybe solace does not know that.

Does anybody think these guys are really members of Al-Qaeda in Yemen? Frank Rich pointed out that there was a more deadly terror attack yesterday when 37 people were killed in Yemen, of all places. Once again police are searching for two muslim brother terrorists, but this time not as photogenic. What will this do for sales of Michel Houellebecq's new novel, which was published yesterday? Is the premise now more or less likely?