Moscow conference draws fascists, neo-Confederates, leftists

[seemslikeadream]

I believe in a few "conspiracy theories"

but not one of them have one iota of a connection to this

[Searcher08]

I could name a lot of points where the Far Right and the conspiracy community connect. In fact, as you do know, I have done so many times before.

We've been over this ground before and I'm content just to agree to disagree with you.

AD, doesn't this come down to an argument over connections - as a thing in themselves, rather than just this specific instance?

I assume that you (like I bet dollars to donuts , most people at RI) come from a place of seeing / experiencing that all life interconnects at fundamental levels, the underlying unity underneath the diversity of multiverses etc.
We also live in what appears to me a domain that obeys the rules of complex systems and that tiny changes in one part of the syystem can have a masive effect in other which are apparently unrelated (Butterfly Effect etc)


Rather than seeing connects in an adversarial - "this is a connection vs this is NOT a connection", isnt it more constructive to explore WHAT those connections are and HOW they are of significance?
For myself, connections like "works at place owned by" "publishes magazine financed by" "pays salary of" and "shares governance of X with" in the paraculture domain are significent whereas "wrote in magazine Y" and "showed up uninvited at public meeting with " much less so.

So there is an opportunity to reframe this conflict as partly being about the meaning and significance and typology of connections.

Given the interconnected nature of life and a healthy imagination, it is possible to create an arbitrarily large number of connections between two objects.

Have you seen the James Burke series "Connections"?

[seemslikeadream]

AD's theory as I understand it

All conspiracy theories are connected

All conspiracy theories therefore are anti-semitic and fascist

if I'm wrong please explain

it would be nice to know which conspiracy theories are on the list and which ones are not

[Searcher08]

I think there are two very different classes of connections being discussed about

There are actual conspiracies themselves - which is what slad is looking at (that looks a really great classification system btw )

There are the places / domains where conspiracies are talked about, where conversations take place

These two things are on different logical levels - one is talking about trees, the other forestry.

**QUICK TECHNICAL QUESTION:
Is there a site that people here would recommend for storing images? I would like to be able to use one to draw a diagram on a piece of paper, then quickly upload it and share to RI. Pictures worth 1000 words etc...

[American Dream]

Will any of this connect directly to the ongoing efforts by the Far Right to co-opt conspiracy and/or anti-imperialist circles?

I am imagining mostly a distraction from these themes- as based in prior happenings here on this board- but am holding out a wee bit of hope that such issues will stay front and center...

[seemslikeadream]

Will any of this connect directly to the ongoing efforts by the Far Right to co-opt conspiracy and/or anti-imperialist circles?

I am imagining mostly a distraction from these themes- as based in prior happenings here on this board- but am holding out a wee bit of hope that such issues will stay front and center...

you have to do a better job of defining the words you use....because if you don't you are mostly a distraction....I am imagining

[solace]

Will any of this connect directly to the ongoing efforts by the Far Right to co-opt conspiracy and/or anti-imperialist circles?

I am imagining mostly a distraction from these themes- as based in prior happenings here on this board- but am holding out a wee bit of hope that such issues will stay front and center...

.

You have already seen that many don't care about the company they keep in service to their if
Ideology /worldview. Sad

[seemslikeadream]

another ugly swipe at the members in good standing at Rigorous Intuition ..why are you even posting here?

that of course is a rhetorical question ....I know for a fact why you are pisting posting here

anyone interested in facts just needs to do a search of your posts...that's allowed isn't it solace? you should know

[Searcher08]

Will any of this connect directly to the ongoing efforts by the Far Right to co-opt conspiracy and/or anti-imperialist circles?

I am imagining mostly a distraction from these themes- as based in prior happenings here on this board- but am holding out a wee bit of hope that such issues will stay front and center...

.

You have already seen that many don't care about the company they keep in service to their if
Ideology /worldview. Sad

IMO This is precisely the sort of purely divisive, vitriolic, zero-added value comment that deserves no place at this forum.

[seemslikeadream]

no one else in the 10 years since this board was created has anyone been so critical of so many posters here ...over and over and over again

since he/she has only been here 3 years and has posted so much hate and nothing else (when it's the truth it's ok to say..right?) one wonders why he/she even posts here...never a positive instructive post

[slimmouse]

To quote some dude from the " racist" town of Sheffield, by the name of Phil Oakey

Life or reason
Faith or treason
Open your heart

His band were called the Human League.

[seemslikeadream]

yes it would be nice if solace opened his/her heart but I am sure that will never happen

[Searcher08]

no one else in the 10 years since this board was created has anyone been so critical of so many posters here ...over and over and over again

since he/she has only been here 3 years and has posted so much hate and nothing else (when it's the truth it's ok to say..right?) one wonders why he/she even posts here...never a positive instructive post

Curiously it occurred, when there was actually a constructive conversation happening in this thread.

The subject, before interruption was that
Some of us focus on connections primarily within Conspiracies themselves and
others on connections to Paraculture research itself.

Trees vs Forestry.
Different things and one directly relevant to the OP and worth exploring, surely?

These are map-making, perceptual issues - not necessarily arguments.

[Searcher08]

American Dream said:

slad, I'm going to let it go at this but I did not mean cabals of conspirators or types of Theory. I meant the broad community of people who read about, talk about, think about, and/or investigate conspiracies. The Far Right has a long, long history of using us, in order to advance its own agenda.

Which is where the distinction between Conspiracies themselves and Paraculture Research is shown

and

I've got to go but I'm referring to any and all conspiracies- real and/or imagined. The Far Right is active now in fomenting certain ideas through our community, in order to organize for reactionary causes. This hurts us in a lot of different ways.

When I think of Paraculture Research communities, there are a lot of them, some of which are very antagonistic to each other.
Surely JREF would be included here along with place like ATS, Godlike Productions, Nexus, Fortean Times, David Icke Forums, Project Camelot, Project Avalon, CSICOP, Skeptic Society, Disclosure Project, and LOADS more.
I have never heard a person say "I am a member of the Paraculture Research Community" - it is always much more granular than that, sectioned by interest, with no guarentee of a particular shade of political expression. I have seen NDE forums that were politically quite conservative, OOBE forums that were liberal, comment sections ranging from fruit-loops (Infowars comments) and RI comments to thoughtful and reflective discussions on these subjects in surprising places like
Objectivist forums and Metabunk.



Specifically for AD...to understand you, here are three questions that would assist me a lot
What are these ideas you say the Far Right are fomenting?
In which Paraculture Research communities?
How do you know this?

[American Dream]

Did you read the original post?

I'm thinking of the accounting provided there- as might be expected. That's a very appropriate place to begin.

I don't have the time energy or inclination for any sophistry about conspiracy communities at this time, or probably, ever. In that article we see mentioned League of the South, Dugin, Workers' World Party, and a few others. Elsewhere, we have seen concerns raised about a much broader crew of people who may be similarly situated. But let's just start with the original post here.