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Re: Angry White People

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:25 am

Sounder » 01 Mar 2016 20:31 wrote:
AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?




The impression is reenforced when AD's anarchist positions seem to line up so well with western imperialist aims.


Do they? Can you tell me in your own words why? Specifically, with details names and dates?


Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.


What does that have to do with it? You're parroting bullshit?

Did you read it in good faith with an open mind?

I don't see how you could have yo be honest. Its an article about growing up black in britian in the late 70s early 80s and your response to it is "Don't support colour revolutions"?

What other modern contrivances that generate insecurity are you referring to? Abolitionism? Multiculturalism? The end of segregation?
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Re: Angry White People

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:27 am

Occult Means Hidden » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:48 am wrote:AD is criticized way too much. I'd rather the slight annoyance of many threads than the danger of this place becoming a fascist paradise.


So how much criticism is enough? You don't actually say what he is criticized for here, do you?
How come you never actually engage with the specific issues that are repeatedly raised?
Do you even know what they are?

"Slight annoyance of many threads" ?
So to me that indicates you dont give a shit about "many threads" which are indistinguishable, context-free, cross posted, multi-duplicated data dumps.

RI becoming a fascist paradise?
No, that wont happen, but there IS a chance that it could grind to a halt by turning General Discussion into a free association pile, full of Soros-funded propaganda and a totalitarian mindset - have you ever Spencer Sunshine, OMH?
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Re: Angry White People

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:39 pm

No but I have danced with the devil in the pale moonlight, searcher.

I'm not enamored with this position particularly so you can chalk it up as a win as I defer.
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Re: Angry White People

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:45 pm

2 Zionist threads......the end of RI


50 fasicsts threads
:yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay


Can I have more please?


if 50 fascist threads shit at RI ...do fascists doing the google follow the smell?
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Re: Angry White People

Postby jakell » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:15 pm

jakell » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:55 am wrote:
Sounder » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:31 am wrote:Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.


What I mainly took from it was its views on the 70's National Front, I was young at that time and have only really written properly on the BNP from mid-eighties onwards, it's good to understand them as a precursor that had a significantly different MO to Griffin's BNP which was a function of the times and it is my belief that their extremism led to an overreaction on the part of the 'Looney Left' (Brits will recognise this term) starting in the mid Eighties. As we know, overreaction starts the pendulum swinging and one of its results (IMO) is the turning of a blind eye to Rotherham type situations.
The next reaction will very likely be against this political correctness, and I think we are seeing elements of this, even though it is happening outside of the mainstream political sphere.


This is a good documentary on the National Front:



The timing of it is interesting because, even though it mostly describes Tyndall's leadership period (70's-80's), it was made just 6 months before he was ousted by Griffin in 1999. It's easy to see why the party (by then the BNP) made little progress under Tyndall, but Griffin here looks like he would have carried on in the same vein. This didn't happen though and it seems he was canny enough to moderate the party's image, hence their successes in the 00's
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Re: Angry White People

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:57 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:25 am wrote:
Sounder » 01 Mar 2016 20:31 wrote:
AD's threads do not ever happen without immediate angry reactions from a certain number of posters, of the sort jakell produced here. Why are you so provoked? What is it that makes you feel addressed?




The impression is reenforced when AD's anarchist positions seem to line up so well with western imperialist aims.


Do they? Can you tell me in your own words why? Specifically, with details names and dates?


Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.


What does that have to do with it? You're parroting bullshit?

Did you read it in good faith with an open mind?

I don't see how you could have yo be honest. Its an article about growing up black in britian in the late 70s early 80s and your response to it is "Don't support colour revolutions"?

What other modern contrivances that generate insecurity are you referring to? Abolitionism? Multiculturalism? The end of segregation?


Sure, kvetching about "colour revolutions" may very well be a little hackneyed. But I think it's been demonstrated pretty convincingly on this board that AD's camp does have an interest in segregation, quarantine, pathologization, whatever you want to call it - and conceivably other sketchy objectives, as well.

I literally live in the homeland of multiculturalism but discussing its meaning is in many ways taboo here. I appreciate than different cultures can live in peace in a pluralist society, there's simply a lot to discuss here and the patterns we see AD's camp, which presents in my opinion a contrived picture of reality, aren't promising as far as dialogue. Not a dialogue with the "far-right" but a dialogue between many, many, disparate groups and demographics.

As far as abolitionism goes, let's not forget where slavery is pretty much literally practiced in the open in the 21st Century - this is not an invitation to "hate" those places, it's a call for honesty.

I haven't given up on good faith, I think you have showed a generous amount of it Joe.
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Re: Angry White People

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:08 pm

"There's an agenda behind this discussion!" is kind of trite, innit? I intend that as a very broad criticism with parameters well outside this thread, but these last three pages specifically.

There's always an agenda behind most discussions, but one would hope we don't need to go around reacting to it all day. I may play a cynical internet commentator on TV, but I spent a lot of my youth going on training retreats, leadership conferences and all kinds of awareness raising activities. All of them had dubious sponsors, some highly questionable interpersonal dynamics at play, and very definite monoculture agendas behind them. They were also pretty interesting experiences, because they were social experiments full of interesting people.

Look, once you're dedicated -- any of you -- dedicated to this whole Learning Shit proposition, it's just going to keep distancing you from your peers, your friends, your family, and ultimately your culture. That constant cognitive dissonance is going grind you into chicken tenders if you don't find outlets for it. If you're going to sit down and watch this whole Kali Yuga Spectacle every day, learn to enjoy it.

Angry White People, for instance. Sure, it's fashionable to adopt a safely critical distance from the cracker working class and mock their exertions (like so) while reciting the incantations listing why they deserve their hilarious fate. And sure, that can be pretty damn irritating if you happen to belong to, have kin within the orbit of, or live surrounded by that particular demographic, burdening you with the human side of these satisfied thinkpieces. But those are both pretty shallow takes, right?

After all, Angry White People are hardly anything new, even within the confined lens of Critical Race Theory, proponents of which would be quick to point out "White" itself is a recent construction, an amalgamation of diverse ethnic groups. (Which explains why Octoberfest, Novygod and St. Patrick's day celebrations all look so different.) Despite the inherent payoffs of their White Privilege, worker drones of any nation get squeezed hard at regular intervals. Our current boil here in the United States is nothing new, it's not even new here in the United States.

We're 20 fucking years past NAFTA. When I was growing up, the "Angry White People" were all those idiots who supported Ross Perot, a moronic Texas cracker who talked funny and took the ridiculous approach of spending his own money to speak directly to the American people like they were intelligent adults who understood their economic self-interest was at stake. Luckily, those Angry White People were soundly defeated by the CIA and instead, America got their First Black President: a white guy from Arkansas.

Today, shit, I'm generations deep in Angry White People, because their unemployed angry asses had kids who I grew up with, kids who inevitably inherited all kinds of pathologies and are today Angry White People in their own right. With kids.

Were the bread lines in Moscow full of Angry White People? Do those fuckers count? I've always liked them, the Russians (and Armenians and Ukrainians) were some of the nicest, most outgoing dorm students at my fancy private school. They also had the benefit of actual military training, so they were great fun in fights. Perhaps Communism does something on the DNA level, though...Lysenko Osmosis.

Were Dublin's decades of Troubles the wages of Angry White People, one wonders? Were those Boer lunatics more or less Angry after Apartheid finally ended? Were Scargill's Mineworkers part of this AWP action? What about PATCO in 1981 after Reagan handed them their own asses on national television?

And what about all those Bernie Sanders supporters? They don't smile very much. Their rage is almost palpable when they start talking about rich people, or go off on scary rants about black people who support Clinton. It's a climate that's going to lead impressionable young people to take extreme action, especially if their aging Savior doesn't manage to secure the nomination.

Not to get all "meta" with this, but are Angry White People even the real problem? Aren't happy white people the real monster here? Self-satisfied, well-fed, fully-employed, highly-educated, tax-paying white people, out here just decimating the third world every weekday? Isn't the real threat to a peaceful, Full Communism future for all humankind hiding in plain sight? The 5 am yoga classes? The RV rentals getting "tricked out" for Burning Man? The highways full of commuters in nice sedans every morning? The soft pale kids in sociology classes, learning about Angry White People?
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Re: Angry White People

Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:11 pm

sounder wrote...
The impression is reenforced when AD's anarchist positions seem to line up so well with western imperialist aims.


joe wrote...
Do they? Can you tell me in your own words why? Specifically, with details names and dates?


I have mostly found that people see what they want to see, on a good day they may see a bit more (then forget it the next week)


Yes, I read the article Joe.

If insecurity is a major driver of hate, then people who are 'actually' against that sort of thing would not support color revolutions and other modern contrivances that generate insecurity.


What does that have to do with it? You're parroting bullshit?


I should have spent a bit more effort on the composition of my verbiage, in a hurry and all, sorry.

Well it may be bullshit but it is no parroting.





Did you read it in good faith with an open mind?


Yes Joe and I find the pain that is endured by the many victims of white racists to be horrible beyond my worst nightmares. Generally I try to not do virtue signaling, in this case I should have tried to say something.


I don't see how you could have yo be honest. Its an article about growing up black in britian in the late 70s early 80s and your response to it is "Don't support colour revolutions"?


That was the poor composition part. I am referring to NED and NGO supported color revolutions, of which there have been many.

What other modern contrivances that generate insecurity are you referring to? Abolitionism? Multiculturalism? The end of segregation?


Oh please Joe, I’m talking about destabilizing nation states, creating new needs and opportunities (to restore security) for fascists, wahhabists and such like to destroy an existing govt. and be imperial puppets for the next, as in Ukraine currently and as the delusional hoped for outcome in Syria and Egypt.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Angry White People

Postby brekin » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:53 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:"There's an agenda behind this discussion!" is kind of trite, innit? I intend that as a very broad criticism with parameters well outside this thread, but these last three pages specifically.

There's always an agenda behind most discussions, but one would hope we don't need to go around reacting to it all day. I may play a cynical internet commentator on TV, but I spent a lot of my youth going on training retreats, leadership conferences and all kinds of awareness raising activities. All of them had dubious sponsors, some highly questionable interpersonal dynamics at play, and very definite monoculture agendas behind them. They were also pretty interesting experiences, because they were social experiments full of interesting people.

Look, once you're dedicated -- any of you -- dedicated to this whole Learning Shit proposition, it's just going to keep distancing you from your peers, your friends, your family, and ultimately your culture. That constant cognitive dissonance is going grind you into chicken tenders if you don't find outlets for it. If you're going to sit down and watch this whole Kali Yuga Spectacle every day, learn to enjoy it.

Angry White People, for instance. Sure, it's fashionable to adopt a safely critical distance from the cracker working class and mock their exertions (like so) while reciting the incantations listing why they deserve their hilarious fate. And sure, that can be pretty damn irritating if you happen to belong to, have kin within the orbit of, or live surrounded by that particular demographic, burdening you with the human side of these satisfied thinkpieces. But those are both pretty shallow takes, right?

After all, Angry White People are hardly anything new, even within the confined lens of Critical Race Theory, proponents of which would be quick to point out "White" itself is a recent construction, an amalgamation of diverse ethnic groups. (Which explains why Octoberfest, Novygod and St. Patrick's day celebrations all look so different.) Despite the inherent payoffs of their White Privilege, worker drones of any nation get squeezed hard at regular intervals. Our current boil here in the United States is nothing new, it's not even new here in the United States.

We're 20 fucking years past NAFTA. When I was growing up, the "Angry White People" were all those idiots who supported Ross Perot, a moronic Texas cracker who talked funny and took the ridiculous approach of spending his own money to speak directly to the American people like they were intelligent adults who understood their economic self-interest was at stake. Luckily, those Angry White People were soundly defeated by the CIA and instead, America got their First Black President: a white guy from Arkansas.

Today, shit, I'm generations deep in Angry White People, because their unemployed angry asses had kids who I grew up with, kids who inevitably inherited all kinds of pathologies and are today Angry White People in their own right. With kids.

Were the bread lines in Moscow full of Angry White People? Do those fuckers count? I've always liked them, the Russians (and Armenians and Ukrainians) were some of the nicest, most outgoing dorm students at my fancy private school. They also had the benefit of actual military training, so they were great fun in fights. Perhaps Communism does something on the DNA level, though...Lysenko Osmosis.

Were Dublin's decades of Troubles the wages of Angry White People, one wonders? Were those Boer lunatics more or less Angry after Apartheid finally ended? Were Scargill's Mineworkers part of this AWP action? What about PATCO in 1981 after Reagan handed them their own asses on national television?

And what about all those Bernie Sanders supporters? They don't smile very much. Their rage is almost palpable when they start talking about rich people, or go off on scary rants about black people who support Clinton. It's a climate that's going to lead impressionable young people to take extreme action, especially if their aging Savior doesn't manage to secure the nomination.

Not to get all "meta" with this, but are Angry White People even the real problem? Aren't happy white people the real monster here? Self-satisfied, well-fed, fully-employed, highly-educated, tax-paying white people, out here just decimating the third world every weekday? Isn't the real threat to a peaceful, Full Communism future for all humankind hiding in plain sight? The 5 am yoga classes? The RV rentals getting "tricked out" for Burning Man? The highways full of commuters in nice sedans every morning? The soft pale kids in sociology classes, learning about Angry White People?


Well said. This is the RI equivalent of Chris Rock's Oscars monologue.
White guilt/White blame/White rage/white hate/white supremacy all stem from the same source of hostile framing a group of people.

Until you deal with that, it is just another day with the Sneetches at the beaches.



The choice is yours.



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Re: Angry White People

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:56 pm

Wombaticus Rex » 02 Mar 2016 06:08 wrote:Critical Race Theory


I just googled critical race theory.

Growing up not white in Australia you don't need to go uni to see all that stuff as blatantly obvious.

A thread about ongoing racist violence has turned into one about white people's feelings.

Is this why feminists get so pissed off at men?
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Re: Angry White People

Postby Nordic » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:03 pm

Well it's pretty funny the thread is called "Angry White People". So far three pages worth.
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Re: Angry White People

Postby brekin » Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:04 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:56 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » 02 Mar 2016 06:08 wrote:Critical Race Theory


I just googled critical race theory.
Growing up not white in Australia you don't need to go uni to see all that stuff as blatantly obvious.
A thread about ongoing racist violence has turned into one about white people's feelings.
Is this why feminists get so pissed off at men?


Oops, forgot we couldn't talk about white people's feelings.

Oh, wait, that's all we do now on RI:

In the top 5 threads:
Angry White People, The White Man's Last Tantrum, Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary, etc.
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Re: Angry White People

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Re: Angry White People

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:46 pm

Well, I'm an angry man about a lot, but oddly, I'm also quite happy, glad to be alive in this country with all its faults and fallacies.
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Re: Angry White People

Postby American Dream » Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:03 pm

These endless stories of white victimization seem so misguided to me. Yes, something is wrong but it seems to me like the whiteness- much less the beating up on immigrants and dark skinned people- is mostly itself a big fucking distraction. A pernicious one too- because it might lead one to believe that so-called white people all have the same basic interests at heart when really, they do not.
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