Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby OP ED » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:26 pm

Several things quickly:

A. Voting can influence local laws and governments which can be pressured into following through on their promises much more conveniently.

B. The green platform is the sanest of any party major enough that the average person may have heard of it.

C. Voting for lesser evil is self defeating. That's old person hopelessness and this country has tolerated this excuse for far too long.

D. I have never worked for the Greens proper but I have aided and abetted black propaganda used by sympathetic splinter groups (among others) during my free time for about a decade and a half. (Playing fair is for losers)

E. Paying taxes helps fund the war machine but it also funds social welfare programs and essential services. Not paying out of protest is little more than a symbolic gesture with no more relevance than simply voting but it has the added benefit of removing yourself from the equation. In that sense you're doing them a favor by self-marginalization. As if they care about your thousand dollars in itself.

(There are much more effective ways to bleed money from the machine. The most efficient in terms of cost/benefit to the individual is the slow down, it only takes a couple dozen people driving extremely INefficiently to gridlock an entire metropolitan area and cost it more in a few minutes than your whole year's taxes are worth. Its an denial of service attack on the physical apparatus and has the added benefit of being perfectly legal and impossible to prove)

F. If you want the world to be less evil, stop voting for evil people.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:20 pm

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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby slimmouse » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:24 pm

OP ED wrote:F. If you want the world to be less evil, stop voting for evil people.


I prefer to call them sick, but nonetheless, when was the last time that we had any real choice ?
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:30 pm

It's only a given because we all accept it and buy into it.

https://steemit.com/voting/@larkenrose/ ... y-gullible



Democracy: Tricking the Profoundly Gullible


A lot of people, often as children, have tried their hand at magic. When I was younger I learned some tricks and illusions that would baffle at least 95% of the general public (which is no great accomplishment). These days, every once in a while I can figure out how professional magicians do what they do, but I’m still stumped pretty often.

Now imagine the world’s worst magician. He brings a top hat on stage, carrying it upside-down like a bowl. He tells you it’s empty, but he won’t let you see inside it. He says you should just take his word for it. Then he pulls out a rabbit and says, “Presto!” Would you be impressed? And what would you think of anyone who was impressed by such a pathetic “trick”?

Well, that’s exactly how I feel about anyone who still votes in presidential elections. Really, people, how transparently bogus does it have to get before you stop falling for it? It’s embarrassing to have to explain stuff that should be patently obvious to anyone with a brain. “The rabbit was already in the hat when he came out.” And… “When those in power pre-select the candidates, that’s not you choosing anything.”


If a few years ago someone did a poll asking people who—of anyone in the world—they would want to be President, approximately zero percent would have said “Hillary Clinton” and approximately zero percent would have said “Donald Trump.” Anyone with the tiniest shred of intellectual honesty would admit this. There was no grassroots movement or actual public enthusiasm to put either of those narcissistic megalomaniacs into power. None. Yet here we are, and a country full of duped sheep are bickering over which of those two candidates—whom nobody would have chosen to begin with—is going to wield nearly unlimited power. And people still take elections seriously? Still talk as if "your vote is your voice"? Really?

This upcoming election might be an especially embarrassing spectacle, but the principle has been true of every election in your lifetime. Was there a public uproar to have Bill Clinton run for President? Nope. How about Bush (either one)? Nope. Barrack Obama? No. Initially there was zero public demand for any of them to be put into power. In fact, only a trivial percentage of the population would have even recognized any of those names before the establishment decided to parade them out before the masses as potential candidates.

To think that the people are choosing anything is just profoundly stupid. It’s like a magician holding up only two cards, and when you pick one, he “magically” knows what it is. Gee, that wasn’t rigged at all, huh? After all, you were free to choose any card you wanted (any of the two the con artist offered, that is). Yet somehow it was like the guy knew and controlled the outcome! Wow! Amazing! (Duh.)


I don’t know a nice way to say this—and in fact, I think we’re well beyond the point where we should be nice to people falling for this inane bullshit: if you vote for Hillary or Trump, you’re just an idiot. As an extreme analogy, I used to ask people if they would still vote, and still think their vote mattered, if the two choices were Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. Little did I know that my outlandish analogy would eventually stop being hypothetical. Right now the choice is between Hitler and Stalin (under different names), and most of the future victims of this ridiculous atrocity are still playing the damn game, and acting like it’s legitimate and important.

“But we have to make sure that the other guy doesn’t get into power!”

If you’ve made that argument, then you’ve proven that all your oppressors need to do to keep you perpetually enslaved—and perpetually acting as an accomplice to your own enslavement—is to keep giving you two horrendously intolerable “choices.” As long as they do that, you will keep playing the game, and will keep legitimizing and advocating the violent subjugation of several hundred million people, including you.

Seriously. Hillary? And Trump? Even when those are the choices the establishment gives you, many still fall for the most transparently bogus trick imaginable. Yes, most Americans really are that gullible, that they will still participate in the stupid circus, still watch the absurd spectacle, and still think and act as if it matters. They still imagine that they have some say in the outcome. Good grief, people! If you want to hang on to a shred of dignity or self-respect, stop allowing yourselves to be manipulated and exploited so damn easily!


If a guy showed up at your front door and asked you to choose between being punched in the face or kicked in the groin, would you proudly “participate in the process”? Would you think he was “representing” you as he inflicted upon you whichever act of violence you chose? Would you feel empowered and in charge while casting your vote? Would you tell your neighbor, “Hey, if you don’t choose between being punched in the face or kicked in the crotch, then you have no right to complain about the outcome!”? Would you pontificate about how this is what makes your neighborhood great—because you have a “choice”? Would you opine that, “The system isn’t perfect, but it’s the best there is!”?

No? Then why the hell would you have those responses to a ruling class letting you “choose” between having a left jackboot or a right jackboot on your throat?

~ ~ * ~ ~

“But what about Gary Johnson?”
Sorry, but now it’s time to poop on the parade of those people silly enough to think they can somehow game the gamers, that they can somehow magically co-opt the system and the process to achieve freedom—those who think that if only we can get a third jester into the show, everything will be different!



When the magician is trying his two-card trick on you, he controls the outcome. Don’t bother trying to hijack the trick. It won’t work.

Johnsonite: “Oh yeah, Mr. Magician? Well I brought my own card, and I pick this one!”
Magician: “Nice joker. But that’s not one of the choices.”
Johnsonite: “Well I say it is!”
Magician: “Well I’m running the trick, and I say it’s not. You lose.”

Setting aside the fact that Gary Johnson is an unprincipled statist buffoon who “spreads the libertarian message” about as well as turtles explain calculus, and setting aside that no, a President cannot unilaterally create or repeal any act of legislation or disband any federal agency or department, there’s also the tiny little fact that…

GARY JOHNSON CAN’T WIN
No, really. He can’t. And won’t. No matter what. “But if we all campaign real hard….” No, not even then. “Okay, it might be a long shot, but there’s always a chance…” No, there isn’t. None. Stop lying to yourself. It only wastes your time and energy (and possibly money) and makes the-powers-that-be laugh at your pathetic and impotent efforts.

This is a system of the ruling class, by the ruling class, and for the ruling class. They have all manner of redundant systems to make sure that their puppets win. Always. Forever. They control the media. They control the voting process. And if propaganda, slander, vote rigging and tampering, censorship, or even outright assassination, ever failed to keep an actual outsider out of the game (no, Trump is not an outsider; duh), then most of the country would suddenly learn a tiny little detail about Constitutional law that they’ve never heard before:

THE PEOPLE DON’T ELECT THE PRESIDENT
Look it up. Nowhere in the Constitution will you find any mention of the public electing the President. The state legislatures appoint the electors who choose the President. Currently the various states put on a show of asking the public who they want, but on a whim they could end that in a heartbeat and appoint whoever the hell they choose, and there isn’t a damn thing anyone could do about it. (See Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.)

This means that if by some miracle someone who actually posed a threat to the status quo ever made it that far, the state legislatures—controlled by the Democratic and Republican parties—would suddenly say it’s an emergency and totally ignore the will of the people. And it would be completely “legal” and constitutional. (Everyone who complains about the Supreme Court “stealing the election” from Al Gore needs to read the Constitution. The Florida legislature didn’t need anyone’s permission or approval to appoint whatever electors they wanted.)


At this point, those who have become psychologically invested in “participating in the process” will start to have tantrums, and say things like, “So you just want to do nothing?” or “At least I’m trying to improve things!” or “How will not voting fix anything?” So glad you asked.

1 - While I don’t suggest “doing nothing,” that would still be an improvement over voting. Voting is doing less than nothing. While having zero chance of achieving freedom, it empowers and legitimizes the system and the process whereby the parasites violently dominate everyone else, while pretending to “represent” you, and pretending they're doing so with your “consent.” They need the slaves to vote to sell that lie.

2 - Trying really, really hard at something that has absolutely no chance of success doesn’t make you smart or noble. It makes you a dupe. The entire system is specifically designed to use up people’s time, energy and money, keeping them continually bashing their heads against a brick wall, playing a hopeless game that the tyrants will always win.

3 - To use an analogy, if you had a headache, you shouldn’t try to cure it by hitting your toe with a hammer. If someone explained that to you, it would be remarkably stupid for you to then say, “But how will not hitting my toe with a hammer fix my headache?” Similarly, refraining from voting, in and of itself, won’t fix the world. It would, however, stop you from making the situation even worse.

SO WHAT WOULD CREATE FREEDOM?

The road to freedom runs in the exact opposite direction from petitioning, campaigning and voting. It starts with people giving up the silly notion that constitutions, elections, or anything else can give someone the right to rule them. If you don’t understand that yet, you’re not even free in mind, and therefore have no chance of being free in body. As long as you’re begging the masters for legislative permission to be free, it means you think that it’s their choice whether you should be free or not. And that makes you a slave, regardless of how nice or nasty your owners choose to be towards you.

There is one road to freedom, and it happens when enough people disobey and resist the parasites who claim to have the right to rule. It might be a few people here and there quietly finding ways to live outside of the reach and control of the tentacles of the state. It might be many thousands of people openly and forcibly resisting state aggression. Ultimately, when enough people have given up the superstition of “authority,” the biggest tyranny in the world can simply be ignored out of existence. When the people as a whole stop believing that gangs of crooks in suits have the moral right to rule, that is the end of ruling classes.


But the first step is for people to stop asking tyrants for freedom, and stop hallucinating legitimacy to the gang of thieves and thugs who call their violence “law” and “taxation.” If you’re still voting, it means you haven’t even made that first step yet. And if you’re still voting in this Presidential election, it means you’re about as gullible and naive as a human being can possibly be.

(P.S. Feel free to share this article anywhere you see Stockholm Syndrome statists extolling the virtues of choosing a new slavemaster.)


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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:23 pm

so women were stupid to fight for the right to vote?

so blacks were stupid to fight for the right to vote?

I suppose they should have just accepted their lot in life
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Don’t forget that.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:32 pm

So women/blacks you name the group are stupid if they vote for Stein?

Continue ad infinitum!

Or realize that the fight for democracy is far from won.

Also, ruling/hegemonic/elite groups are not stupid either, and often find ways to prevail under changed rules. Here we are.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:44 pm

Oh shit! There may be a path to Stein getting ahead of Johnson.

VP candidate Bill Weld told the Boston Globe that he plans to focus exclusively on attacking Donald Trump for the remainder of the campaign — essentially admitting that running mate Gary Johnson can not become president.

Trump has Weld’s “full attention,” he explained, because his agenda is so terrible it’s “in a class by itself.” “I think Mr. Trump’s proposals in the foreign policy area, including nuclear proliferation, tariffs, and free trade, would be so hurtful, domestically and in the world, that he has my full attention,” Weld said.

Apparently he avoided acknowledging that his new mission amounts to working to make Hillary Clinton president. He pointed out that he disagrees with Clinton on fiscal and military issues, though last week on MSNBC he said he’s “not sure anybody is more qualified than Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States.”


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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:01 pm

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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:34 pm

Old RI mainstay Spencer Sunshine is very mad online about Jill Stein the fascist anti-semite...

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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:56 pm

Yeah, that's kind of involuntary with him. I find a) he's honest and b) right at least 3 times out of 4. I like him personally, but sooner or later he's going to decide I've violated some cardinal rule too. And who cares? It's so emphatically untrue, in Stein's case.

At least Spencer's not a militarist devoting himself exclusively to attacks on the left, like Bill Weinberg. And he did proper investigative journalistic reporting on your alt-KKK Bundy crew. So props to him.

There are meanwhile a few others who went over the edge to thinking that it's aiding genocide if the Pentagon isn't bombing Assad and providing Manpads to every single one of the 57 Syrian opposition militias regardless of pedigree or politics, and therefore Stein and Baraka by having a principled stance against war and for negotiations with Russia are aiding genocide. This group would fill more than a busload.

Anyway, tapitsbo, it is on such slender threads of disputes among handfuls that the busloads of alt-right sympathizers may want to build fantasies about how the tiny but dangerous, omnipresent and powerful minority of "cultural marxist" "SJW" "PC" terrorists are having a momentous knife fight amongst themselves.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:24 am

Hillary admitted to Goldman Sachs, in speech, that a leftist third party could win:

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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:02 am

JackRiddler » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:56 pm wrote:Yeah, that's kind of involuntary with him. I find a) he's honest and b) right at least 3 times out of 4. I like him personally, but sooner or later he's going to decide I've violated some cardinal rule too. And who cares? It's so emphatically untrue, in Stein's case.

At least Spencer's not a militarist devoting himself exclusively to attacks on the left, like Bill Weinberg. And he did proper investigative journalistic reporting on your alt-KKK Bundy crew. So props to him.

There are meanwhile a few others who went over the edge to thinking that it's aiding genocide if the Pentagon isn't bombing Assad and providing Manpads to every single one of the 57 Syrian opposition militias regardless of pedigree or politics, and therefore Stein and Baraka by having a principled stance against war and for negotiations with Russia are aiding genocide. This group would fill more than a busload.

Anyway, tapitsbo, it is on such slender threads of disputes among handfuls that the busloads of alt-right sympathizers may want to build fantasies about how the tiny but dangerous, omnipresent and powerful minority of "cultural marxist" "SJW" "PC" terrorists are having a momentous knife fight amongst themselves.


Their outreach programs to the far-left (I say programs because I'm thinking of several different factions) might fill a few fleets of busloads.

The more conventional voices with almost the same opinions, ideology, and criteria/consensus in their thinking might fill a few cargo ships.

It seems incorrect to me to identify the radical mainstream and its allies as cult-marx, SocJus, or politically correctness though.

But I do get a kick out your technique, which always seems to return to subtext - maybe I am too dazzled by the shiny surfaces and overt messaging at play, where there is a thick and fragile soup of contention that keeps boiling over in novel ways.




There are more than just a few small wrinkles to be ironed out in the political norms I've seen reflected in the writings pasted here. Hundreds of millions of people are involved.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:20 pm

That speech excerpt Nordic posted above reads like a Zero Hedge satire.

By which I mean bad writing that doesn't realize how bad it is. The kind that's in the comment section.

Where is that located? Not finding it in the Podesta dump.
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:22 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:20 pm wrote:That speech excerpt Nordic posted above reads like a Zero Hedge satire.

By which I mean bad writing that doesn't realize how bad it is. The kind that's in the comment section.

Where is that located? Not finding it in the Podesta dump.


LMFAO this? This is the original?

https://www.scribd.com/document/326186872/Transcript-Gs

A scribd link "obtained by RealTrueNews.org" ahhhh I love 2016 so far
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Re: Jill Stein is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:23 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:20 pm wrote:That speech excerpt Nordic posted above reads like a Zero Hedge satire.

By which I mean bad writing that doesn't realize how bad it is. The kind that's in the comment section.

Where is that located? Not finding it in the Podesta dump.


Good question. At this point I'm not sure where I sourced that from. I've seen it in several places. True, the language is .... Well it would be difficult to say these words out loud without sounding very stilted. Maybe I got punked.
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