Democratic Underground Take-Down, 11/8/2016

[brekin]

OK, thinking about this further. If RI goes down. After two days. Everyone meet at the airfield. You know where.

[MacCruiskeen]

Well, I tried to laugh, brekin, but no joy. As far as I know, there are no spooks here, and RI is not spook-run. And there is no airfield to escape to, or from.

Be thankful for small mercies: we are not DU.

Let us now sing Psalm 23...

[seemslikeadream]

another thing I was thinking about......I wonder what kinda severance/bonus pay The Magistrate got

poor bolo and Sid have been out of work for so long now ...I wonder if they have signed up for unemployment yet?

Thank you, thank you, thank you for my first genuine in 48 hours.

[stickdog99]

Think about it. What do you think happened to all the Indonesian workers Hillary paid to like her Facespook posts and retweet her tweets on the day after the election? Don't you expect that they all got the sack?

So why should the Despotic Clinton Overlord website be spared? Don't campaign offices generally close up shop the day after the election?

[seemslikeadream]

well at least they didn't give the site over to the commies like Progressive Independent did

[2012 Countdown]

Think about it. What do you think happened to all the Indonesian workers Hillary paid to like her Facespook posts and retweet her tweets on the day after the election? Don't you expect that they all got the sack?

So why should the Despotic Clinton Overlord website be spared? Don't campaign offices generally close up shop the day after the election?

Okay, now that is much better. This theory is MUCH more believable than the 'false flag'/self inflicted, er, 'theory'. imo.
That is to say, no they DID NOT do this/make the attack up. As I say, this happened BEFORE the election went south.
So even with this theory, it merely would explain their hesitate to come back online...The attack was legit, I still think.

In fact I'll post this thought by someone else...

I think they were trying to figure out
a way to shut down the Hillbot Ghostship since I’m sure they lost at least 85% of active people since they kicked us all out. I am still in review, over 3 months now. DU kept me sane for a long time but they just went off a cliff imo.

I do believe this as well though...

There will be a MAJOR, CONCERTED EFFORT by supporters of the factions responsible for Trump to limit and inhibit any and all discussion and exchange of information that does not seem to advance their efforts. The script kiddies of 4-chan and reddit are firmly in the Breitbart/Infowars camp and make no bones about it. These are the people that hacked DU.

As the Progressive movement(s) begin to coalessce and find their equilibrium, there will be many more efforts to inhibit free speech, most importantly, free digital speech on sites as DU and JPR. Make no mistake, the alt-right cybasphere intends to control and dominate online conversation, discussion and exchange of information.

No matter what you think about DU or Skinner, any attempt to silence one Progressive voice, is an attempt to silence all progressive voices.

[2012 Countdown]

Added 11/11/2016 10:00AM ET (fourth batch; many more on the way)

Response by anonymous

I'm sorry we didn't believe Trump when he said the election was rigged.

There are rural counties in Texas where 700 registered voters have decided issues by a vote of 400 to 350. That's why I'd like every journalist in states that flipped to take it upon him- or herself to get hold of the voter registration rolls for the rural counties that elected that prick and see if they match. It would be worth a story even if what they find is that all the election was on the up-and-up.

I probably wouldn't see the story, however.

I can't bear the news anymore - I blame the media as much as anyone for the outcome of the election. In order to attract audiences, they ginned up the drama. They let right-wing morons shout down any reasonable voice. They neglected their duty to demand fact-based evidence whenever one of the Trump stooges called Hillary Clinton a crook and a liar. They didn't provide tit for tat by pointing out every time such claims came up that there was video proof their man is a liar and trot out the evidence that he's also a crook.

They actually treated these assholes as if they were credible. They make me ashamed to call myself a former journalist.

Response by grantcart

Beyond the anger and the disappointment (of all the people who didn’t vote) I think we all owe Michael Moore an apology. He read his neighborhood better than the pollsters. I am sure that there will be many eloquent writers who will give voice to the pain and outrage so my contribution will be different:

Almost certainly this is part of a larger operation by the Russians. I am one of the least conspiratorial folks at DU, I think Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas. Why include DU? Not because DU is in any way a major player among the decision making class of the Democratic Party or the Progressive community.

If however you google “Trump” and virtually any other word you will find DU at the top of the responses. How many times have you read something on DU and tried to google and find more information only to find that DU is the most reliable source. If all you had to look at was google searches then DU would end up at the top of your list. While not a large player in terms of action it is significant in getting information out to a diverse audience.

The Russian operation into the Trump campaign was a very low cost/low risk operation that the Russians reportedly stopped when the HA tape came out and only restarted when they realized that Trump was still standing.

The Russians' main objective is not to control the US government. Russian interests are on two key points: Traditional Hegemony (developing a sphere of influence that gives them a defense cushion on their borders) and a warm water port.

In order to meet these two objectives the Russian strategy is to create a wedge between Europe and the US so that they can dominate Europe. The US is rearming its European forces to be prepared if the Russians try to move on the Baltic States with the largest movement of ammunition to Europe in 20 years.

https://www.army.mil/article/177936/the ... in_germany

The next move by the Russians is to try and ingratiate themselves into the Trump administration. You should expect to see some fantastic good news in Syria or other areas (maybe even in Palestine) that will try and create the impression that the Trump administration, working with Putin, is beneficial. The Russians will do everything, including blackmail Trump if they have anything, to create distance between Europe and the US. Then they will make their move, probably in the Baltic States to test if we want a big war over a small country.

The attack on DU may or may not have been part of a larger operation (and if it was it might just have been one of many and turned out to be an easy target of opportunity) but the Russians are on the verge of making major advancements in creating the European hegemony they have always dreamed about. To answer your question I am feeling that we are taking our national security apparatus from the hands of professionals to the hands of amateurs. That has never worked out well before.

[seemslikeadream]

Russian hackers throw Trump victory party with new spear phishing campaign

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40155


I don't think the CIA is going to let trump have the keys to the car

when they hand him the notebook there will some pages missing....like the ones on Manafort


the fib may have wanted Trump

the CIA wants to stay in power

[MacCruiskeen]

BUMP for this old RI thread from June 24, 2008:

***DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND OUTED AS A RIGHT-WING FRONT***
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18791&hilit=DU+outed

No apologies for the all-caps headline. I think it's the only time I ever did that, and public health warnings do need to be loud and clear.

Thanks are due to seemslikeadream, who noticed the (completely damning) incident discussed there. There is no innocent explanation for it.

Skinner, Earl G and Elad -- those bastards are spooks. They've been exploiting the trust of thousands of well-meaning people for nearly 16 years now, and they're still doing it today.

How long, o Lord, how long?

[tapitsbo]

You guys were talking about it years ago though, all of you - people like SLAD were saying it quite eloquently - you were all claiming that the DU forum was run by spooks

[2012 Countdown]

Okay Mac,
I will cease and desist in defending them. Not really defending, just trying to be reasoned.
It really isn't a defense so much as skepticism as to the why they are still off.

I've got to trust someone, and the SLAD expose' is what it is. I trust SLAD on this.
I plead ignorance.

It is NO surprise they were ALWAYS trying to crush 9/11 truth talk.
I too despise them for that bullshit.

They are not honest and quite manipulative, on that we ALL can agree.

[Luther Blissett]

I never understood what the point of this site was. The only place I ever hear anything about it is at Rigorous Intuition. I never lasted more than a minute or two there.

[MacCruiskeen]

I never understood what the point of this site was.

The point of DU:

1. To waste people's time. 2. to exploit their trust. 3. to acquire their personal details 4. to monitor, control and channel dissent. 5. to baffle and frustrate honest well-meaning human beings and keep them both fearful of Authority and addicted to it.

- all this (and more, much more) under a paper-thin veneer of "opposition to the establishment". It's classic CIA. They do it elsewhere too, of course; one recent example of a fake "radical" website: that shithole called "Fusion - Rise Up!" A sugar-coated spook poison-pill.

The only place I ever hear anything about it is at Rigorous Intuition. I never lasted more than a minute or two there.

Did you know Jeff Wells only started Rigorous Intuition after he was banned from DU? He used to post there as "Minstrel Boy". Seemslikeadream posted there for years and was banned in 2009. Nordic used to post there too, for how long I'm not sure. JackRiddler fought the good fight there for years, with amazing patience. Too many other RI names to list. I lasted about two months there before being banned.

See here.

[Luther Blissett]

Wow, nope, had no idea anything about the history. A couple of stupid questions:
Was it for and about American Democrats (the voting bloc)?
What was underground about it?

[MacCruiskeen]

What was underground about it?

Very good question, very obvious question, and almost never asked. What is underground about a site that brooks not the slightest real criticism of Queen Hillary, the Clinton Machine, or the Dem Party establishment? That bans people instantly who even try? And that performed exactly the same way during the eight Obama years and the eight GWBush years before them?

Nothing. Nothing is "underground" about it. Nothing whatsoever. It's no more "underground" than the New York Times. It's an illusion.

Being professionals, and knowing the psychology of their target audience, Skinner & his Firm managed to mesmerise thousands of people for 16 years by using a single magic word: "underground".



"What goes on in my mind?
I think that I am now Lou Reed.."

Take off those headphones.