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liminalOyster » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:22 am wrote:I've seen a disturbing new trend on the Left wherein Manning is portrayed as having "acted out" (rather than whistle-blown) due to psychological distress over her gender identity. To some degree, Obama can now pardon her and frame it as a compassionate act to assist someone mentally ill. Maybe. I've also seen a number of center-Lefties act as though his use of the Espionage Act is a-ok and Manning deserves to rot and/or die at her own hand as will almost surely happen if not pardoned this week. I won't be surprised either way but I could definitely see, given the current psychodrama all around, that Manning gets pardoned this week in order to acquire Assange.
Grizzly » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:41 pm wrote:Just wanted to take this time to sincerely say, farewell to obummer as well as pedophile Biden.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... e_patriot/
brekin » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:12 pm wrote:Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:47 pm wrote:Looks like the answer to the OP's question is a definitive "No."
Curious that Barack Obama wouldn't pardon Manning, because a pardon would mean Manning walks, now. Instead, Obama makes a PR bid that places Manning's fate into the hands of ... the Trump administration. Obama is very consistent, this is the same playbook he was using for the DAPL standoff.
Sad to play with someones life. But savvy of Obama, now "I love Wikileaks" Trump is going to have to walk his talk. Wonder what other pranks Obama has in store. Just try and find some tp next week when you've got to wipe your ass in the White House.
The left by and large turned their back on Assange because Assange decided to fight against globalist Hillary Clinton.
semper occultus » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:32 am wrote:The left by and large turned their back on Assange because Assange decided to fight against globalist Hillary Clinton.
...and the whole "he's a rapist" scenario that was set-up aswell....clever 2 birds with one stone to try to take him out of commission and discredit him with that audience
brekin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:36 pm wrote:Once he got his own show on RT I think he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
The World Tomorrow (Or Good Morning Moscow) was a bridge too far.
liminalOyster wrote:brekin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:36 pm wrote:Once he got his own show on RT I think he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
The World Tomorrow (Or Good Morning Moscow) was a bridge too far.
How does that reflect on his guests? Chomsky? Zizek? Tariq Ali?
brekin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:36 am wrote:semper occultus » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:32 am wrote:The left by and large turned their back on Assange because Assange decided to fight against globalist Hillary Clinton.
...and the whole "he's a rapist" scenario that was set-up aswell....clever 2 birds with one stone to try to take him out of commission and discredit him with that audience
Once he got his own show on RT I think he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
The World Tomorrow (Or Good Morning Moscow) was a bridge too far.
he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
And Trump, who has an opinion about everything, has remained silent on Manning's commutation. He once suggested Assange should be put to death for publishing the kind of information supplied by Manning but has eagerly embraced Assange's claim that Russia did not provide Democrats' emails to WikiLeaks — while questioning U.S. intelligence agencies that think Russia was involved.
Chelsea Manning’s release puts Donald Trump and conservative media in a bind
By Callum Borchers January 18 at 11:15 AM
For most of the past seven years, Chelsea Manning has been a tailor-made villain for the conservative media. Her disclosure of secret diplomatic and military documents to WikiLeaks allowed folks such as Sean Hannity to do two of their favorite things: remind everyone of how ferociously they support the military and to blame President Obama for something at or beyond the limits of his control.
On his Fox News show in 2010, Hannity declared that Manning “needs to be held accountable” for putting “our brave men and women in the military overseas in danger,” and he wondered: “Why can't Obama do something about the WikiLeaks?”
Now, though, things are more complicated. Obama commuted Manning's 35-year sentence Tuesday, which in an orderly universe would have triggered a fresh round of outrage at the president, WikiLeaks and the former Army private, who is transgender and served as Bradley Manning. To be sure, there has been some outrage on the right.
But the twist is that many in the conservative media have been singing a different tune about WikiLeaks ever since the site published hacked emails that reflected poorly on Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party — and especially since WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told Hannity in an interview this month that Russia did not supply the emails, bolstering President-elect Donald Trump's assertion that he did not receive any significant help from the Kremlin during the election.
Hannity, for one, already has had to come up with an explanation for his flip-flop on WikiLeaks.
“I had people abusing me,” Hannity told viewers in December, “because I changed my position on Julian Assange in this way: I said he's done America a favor. He's exposed that we have no cybersecurity. That gives us a chance to fix it. And he also exposed how corrupt government is.”
Very clever. Hannity didn't exactly reverse his view that WikiLeaks' disclosures are bad; he just claimed to have discovered an upside in the form of a cybersecurity wake-up call.
Still, can he really go back to a hard line against Manning after cozying up to Assange a few weeks ago? Apparently not. Hannity barely mentioned Manning's commutation on his program Tuesday night. When he did, it was in neutral terms (similar to the way the news was framed on his website) and rolled into a question directed at fellow conservative commentator Laura Ingraham.
Ingraham, a big league Trump booster, also declined to attack Manning or WikiLeaks.
Breitbart News played Obama's decision to release Manning about as straightforward as can be. The site has previously referred to Manning as a “traitorous transsexual,” but it used no such language this time.
And Trump, who has an opinion about everything, has remained silent on Manning's commutation. He once suggested Assange should be put to death for publishing the kind of information supplied by Manning but has eagerly embraced Assange's claim that Russia did not provide Democrats' emails to WikiLeaks — while questioning U.S. intelligence agencies that think Russia was involved.
On Fox News earlier this month, a candidly self-aware Greg Gutfeld joked about conservatives' inconsistencies.
“I have advice to Chelsea Manning: Start bashing Obama,” Gutfeld, a Fox News host, said. “The Republicans are going to love you. ... She should actually — she should say that she believes that Donald Trump is doing the right thing, and then all of a sudden we'll love Chelsea Manning just the way we now love Assange.”
Had Manning taken Gutfeld's tip to heart, perhaps she would not have had her prison sentence shortened. But Gutfeld's point about conservative flip-floppery still stands.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 3d389ba56b
Assange: Manning Commutation Doesn’t Meet My Extradition Offer
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl
And Trump, who has an opinion about everything, has remained silent on Manning's commutation.
Assange: Manning Commutation Doesn’t Meet My Extradition Offer
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl
seemslikeadream wrote:Assange: Manning Commutation Doesn’t Meet My Extradition Offer
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said Wednesday, via his lawyer, that President Obama’s commutation of Chelsea Manning’s sentence does not meet the conditions of his offer to be extradited to the U.S. in return for the Army leaker’s release. “If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case,” WikiLeaks tweeted this year. However, according to a statement from his lawyer, “Mr. Assange welcomes the announcement that Ms. Manning’s sentence will be reduced and she will be released in May, but this is well short of what he sought. Mr. Assange had called for Chelsea Manning to receive clemency and be released immediately.” Assange has not been charged with a crime in the United States, but believes if he were to leave the Ecuadorian embassy in London, he could be extradited stateside for espionage-related charges. According to WikiLeaks, “Assange is still happy to come to the US provided all his rights are guarenteed [sic] despite White House now saying Manning was not quid-quo-pro [sic].”
Clemency under the criminal justice system is the act by an executive member of government of extending mercy to a convicted individual. In the United States, clemency is granted by a governor for state crimes and by a president for federal crimes. Clemency can take one of three forms: a reprieve, a commutation of sentence, or a pardon.
Reprieves
A reprieve is given to suspend the execution of a sentence in order to give the prisoner time to find ways to have it reduced. With respect to capital cases, a reprieve is given to suspend the execution of the death penalty for a period of time to consider whether or not it should be imposed.
Commuting a Sentence
A commutation of sentence takes place when the sentence, generally one of imprisonment, is reduced to a lesser penalty or jail term. This type of clemency does not void the conviction.
Pardons
When a pardon is granted, the convicted offender is forgiven the crime and its penalty. A head of state or government generally grants it when the convicted individual has fulfilled his or her debt to society or is somehow otherwise worthy of being forgiven the crime. A pardon does not erase the conviction, but it can in some jurisdictions remove some of the disqualifications caused by it.
brekin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:44 am wrote:liminalOyster wrote:brekin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:36 pm wrote:Once he got his own show on RT I think he discredited himself with the left (or at least the smart left).
The World Tomorrow (Or Good Morning Moscow) was a bridge too far.
How does that reflect on his guests? Chomsky? Zizek? Tariq Ali?
That they are vain. They are willing to sell their wares on Putin's Home Chopping Network to get a little visibility when YouTube is wide open.
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