'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-up.

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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:03 pm

Gonna cheat and throw my essay in at the top of the new page since, come on people, I did work on this for 35 minutes earlier today. Thanks for your indulgence.

But first, a post.

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Trump still was the favorite to coast above an impeachment without conviction. But if there were a script in which he hangs himself by lack of impulse and anger control, he's trying hard to write it. It's one thing to engage in passive-aggressive obstruction against an investigation into a crime that never actually happened, which was #Russiagate in a nutshell. Here the crime, in the sense of a legal violation, definitely appears to have happened. Ironically, he had ways to do the exact same thing legally, if only he'd been patient and informed himself a bit in the ways of legal skulduggery and used the veiled language and protocols of the diplomats. But he was always about going it alone with a small crew, like he always has, confusing Trump Org with the U.S. government. Now the crime is something that one should be punished for, except that no one ever IS, as they do it a bit more skillfully than personally trying to shake down the Ukrainian president for favors on the phone. And yes, it's a minor crime on the grand scale, of course: the same call involved clearing weapons sales to Ukraine, which of course is a far more serious and bloody business, though fully legal within the system.

Jeffrey St. Clair in the weekend Counterpunch column 'Roaming Charges' wrote: I think we can all agree that refusing to send military aid to Ukraine would have been a wise decision by Trump. But trading the slaughter of civilians in eastern Ukraine for political dirt on HRC and the Bidens pretty much exposes his America First foreign policy as little more than diplomatic narcissism, which, of course, we’ve known all along but it’s useful to have it confirmed in his own “Rough Trade Transcript“….


All this and nevertheless, it will soon pale in comparison to what the fool is doing to himself (and the worse thing he is doing to the country) right now, the last couple of days, if no one in his circle can make him shut the fuck up. Accusations of treason (it wouldn't be: even if he were right, it would be a conspiracy against the head of state, who is not the country in wartime). Threats to have to "the spy" executed. Sorry, that's what it is when the president mouths off about it, it's a lot more than a drunk at a party saying someone should be shot. Threats to order the arrest of a congressman, which of course are close to threats to suspend Congress. Never mind what you think of Adam Schiff, I'm telling you how this will go down. If he pulls the trigger on that, he faces a high probability of non-compliance from the enforcing agency. And now he's talking about how this will lead to civil war -- some bloody version of which he may well be able to inspire among his personally invested followers, whom he is at the same time telling to watch out for the Democrats coming for their guns.

All in all, these may not even be top 10 in the list of barbaric and evil things this character has spoken, but they are escalations in terms of the legal actionability and legitimacy that he is granting to his would-be impeachers and others who want him out pronto. You'll tell me there is no scenario in which Trump pushes 20 Republican senators to vote to convict? I'd think so, I'd think there wouldn't be even one Republican senator. But he seems to be testing that certainty.

JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:16 am wrote:.

Theory: Biden and Trump are both elements of the same wealthy classes that rule and are sustained by a political-economic system designed in every way to concentrate wealth and power in these classes. The system is complicated and dynamic, features a multitude of actors including varieties of apparatchiks and self-service actors, and evolves through crisis. It's almost perpetually in crisis, and lives from them, but also loses operational coherence over time because the responses to many of the crises are works in progress and at least initially sloppy and provisional, until they are patched into something workable. Other factors that fray its coherence include legacy procedures that clash with current needs. Also, it's a system that enshrines petty competitions and thus constant conflicts among the players. Some of the conflicts are based in actual differences of sub-class or factional interests. Some of them happen just because there is a clash over which player gets a goodie.

Set-up, the Bidens: Biden and Trump functionally occupy different roles. Biden's is within the management of the political apparatus, Trump's is as a self-service entrepreneur (management, entrepreneur, most of these terms should be in quotes!) engaged in the capture of rent and plunder and generally in autonomous side-grift. Biden's son straddles the two roles. He has made a career of shadowing his father's activities so as to extract payments through their shared name and presumed connection. He shows up on the sidelines wherever his father is an obvious actor within the policy being pursued and receives contracts from actors who wish to influence that policy or acquire the appearance of being close to the action. It's probably done professionally (again, the poverty of the words) in the sense that they don't need to coordinate or communicate directly about this, and are well-advised to avoid that. It suffices that Hunter can offer himself to an outfit like Burisma, or be called in by it, as the lawyer and consultant Hunter Biden, who only happens to be (ha ha, wink and nod) the son of the vice-president who is charged with conducting policy in a given sphere, in this case Ukraine. Hunter doesn't have to do much more than that to receive a form of tribute on the assumption that it will benefit the tribute-givers just on the strength of the appearance of the influence that being connected to him confers. What he provides otherwise as a consultant may or may not be useful. Biden and Hunter may genuinely be operating separately on a question such as whether pressure should be applied to fire the prosecutor, which is being decided in what passes for the councils of state within the administration and its environment of policy lobbyists and international bodies.

Set-up, the Trump: Coming from a different sector with other functions and rules, Trump has learned to operate in a more directly transactional, less regulated capacity when seizing what he wants or demanding that something be done his way. This is largely a matter of Trump not even knowing how to do this a different way, not maintaining the apparent formal separation between his decisions and the channels through which they are carried out, since this was how it worked in the world that he operated within in the past, which is several levels lower than Biden's organizationally even if Trump is presumably much richer. You make a call and get your men in to do the thing that you want. If you get it, they are rewarded, if you don't, they are fired. Things do not just happen as in Biden's world, as a matter of the whole world having been rendered routine to the opportunism of the son. Now president, Trump also doesn't know how to do it like Biden, and absolutely doesn't want to learn how to do it that way. It doesn't satisfy his need for immediate gratification and personal dominance expressions. He does it like he's still operating on the level he rose up in, the one just above the Tony Soprano equivalents but below the banks within the NY-NJ development gangster milieu. It's a cultural difference. This is not how you steal things at Biden's level. You don't want your hand in there, grasping and potentially visible. You just let the money flow toward you.

Psychology: Of course, as men of a certain culture, they are not very different: Both especially enjoy the opportunities for macho dominance expressions, and make these into spectacles, enjoying the applause. These moments are where they each can produce their own downfall, where they feel like demigods and masters with their worshippers arrayed before them, and are thus at their blindest. I'm not going to argue Biden has more self-control than Trump. They have both been able to express this side of themselves constantly within contexts that allowed and seemed to celebrate it. But now they are both in different worlds: Trump as the big tribal chief in the White House, Biden as the presumed presidential front-runner. (He's been running for a long time, but was never this far on top in the league tables).

Story: From all appearances, as a matter of consensus among the policy makers charged with managing the Ukraine transition, Biden was supposed to do the job of pressuring for the firing of the prosecutor, and the prosecutor was actually corrupt and, contrary to what we seem to believe, avoiding a Burisma investigation. In this the prosecutor would be like his predecessors and presumably all of his potential replacements and successors. But the crunch had come: Burisma had been caught out laundering in Britain, and the UK complaint was not being pursued in Kiev. More fundamentally, appearances of US power had to be maintained at that moment. Ukraine was in the process of being regime-changed and so a determination was made (in places you will never know exactly) that the old prosecutor had to go, just as the finance minister was replaced directly by the former State Department official in charge of handling financial relations with Ukraine.

Detour: Yes. Look it up. I'll post more later. Or wait, I did in the Kiev Discredited thread, see this post. "An American citizen born in the U.S. [to Ukrainian immigrant parents], a State Department official formerly charged with managing financial relations with Kiev, was offered the finance minister job in the Maidan government - and took it. She was given Ukrainian citizenship on the day of her appointment. She promptly made the agreements that ran their foreign debt to IMF-EU up by another 40 billion dollars. Who owns your country, baby? And here's the kicker: After two years she got to call mission accomplished on that mess, and took the job as the chief of PROMESA, the Puerto Rico debt junta! They really don't bother to disguise anything and they don't have to, never had, and never will, because the miseducation system, the culture of political apathy, and the corporate media make sure almost no one hears these stories or learns the contexts and histories and reasons why they matter.")

The Drama: Is the prosecutor's removal good for Hunter, is it bad for Hunter? Who knows? It's almost certainly totally indifferent. Hunter's playing his own grift, and it's legalized. (Trump's grifts were also mostly legalized, de facto if not de jure, back when he was playing at his accustomed level.) Off in other cities, other board rooms, Hunter's just watching the contract money roll in, and it's as green as it should be. That is all that matters to him presumably. Joe may not even know about it. It's better for them if he doesn't. Poor Trump has the disadvantage of having to do his own dirty work, and the flaw that he really likes it that way and doesn't want to adapt to the way things are done in a White House as opposed to a Trump Tower.

What's next? In any case, now that this has developed to this point, it likely will be Biden who will be ruined as a candidate, while Trump after impeachment will not be convicted in the Senate and remain as beastly as ever going into the 2020 campaign. This is the fundamental strategic idiocy of the Democrats on the electoral level at work. It's an intentional, planned idiocy, since they're not allowed to gain popularity by advocating the popular policies, since these are contrary to the political-economic system designed in every way to concentrate wealth and power in the classes that rule. That's the Democrats' conundrum. They can't just win by speaking truth and doing the things that the majority wants, since that would be too much system change.

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Further reading. Risen is suspect, especially the last couple of years after his own travails and possible disciplining by the security state and discovery of #Russiagate as if it was real. But this report, unfavorable to Biden, was written in 2015. It shows how grift at this level works, unconscionably, but it also makes clear why the Hunter Biden grift was legalized business as usual. The article has been spun now to falsely imply the prosecutor was the good guy whom Biden forced out so as to save Burisma for his son. That's not how it worked, and I say that with some confidence because that is not how it needed to work. After the February 2014 coup, Joe's playing the guy charged by US-international policy consensus to force Ukraine to "crack down on corruption," including Burisma, which of course isn't going to happen even after the prosecutor is replaced. The son is the guy who stepped up to Burisma and said, I can help advise you in this difficult time. The two functions do not need to be coordinated. The son is well-advised to just take the money, play lawyer, and avoid exposing his father to any quid pro quos. They're both doing what they do and being rewarded for it, just at that time. The son's action is predicated entirely on the fact that he has this father, so it's a grift, but it's not illegal, and presumably the father's proud that his son is off the coke and so good on the make. Only later does this turn into a problem for the elder Biden (aaaaaaawwww) and a club for Trump to grab and start smashing furniture, including his own.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/worl ... -ties.html


http://www.nytimes.com
Joe Biden, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch
By James Risen

[Image] Hunter Biden at a campaign event in 2008. He sits on the board of one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies. CreditCreditOzier Muhammad/The New York Times


WASHINGTON — When Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. traveled to Kiev , Ukraine, on Sunday for a series of meetings with the country’s leaders, one of the issues on his agenda was to encourage a more aggressive fight against Ukraine’s rampant corruption and stronger efforts to rein in the power of its oligarchs.

But the credibility of the vice president’s anticorruption message may have been undermined by the association of his son, Hunter Biden, with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, who was Ukraine’s ecology minister under former President Viktor F. Yanukovych before he was forced into exile.

Hunter Biden, 45, a former Washington lobbyist, joined the Burisma board in April 2014. That month, as part of an investigation into money laundering, British officials froze London bank accounts containing $23 million that allegedly belonged to Mr. Zlochevsky.

Britain’s Serious Fraud Office, an independent government agency, specifically forbade Mr. Zlochevksy, as well as Burisma Holdings, the company’s chief legal officer and another company owned by Mr. Zlochevsky, to have any access to the accounts.

But after Ukrainian prosecutors refused to provide documents needed in the investigation, a British court in January ordered the Serious Fraud Office to unfreeze the assets. The refusal by the Ukrainian prosecutor general’s office to cooperate was the target of a stinging attack by the American ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey R. Pyatt, who called out Burisma’s owner by name in a speech in September.

“In the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had seized $23 million in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people,” Mr. Pyatt said. Officials at the prosecutor general’s office, he added, were asked by the United Kingdom “to send documents supporting the seizure. Instead they sent letters to Zlochevsky’s attorneys attesting that there was no case against him. As a result, the money was freed by the U.K. court, and shortly thereafter the money was moved to Cyprus.”

Mr. Pyatt went on to call for an investigation into “the misconduct” of the prosecutors who wrote the letters. In his speech, the ambassador did not mention Hunter Biden’s connection to Burisma.

But Edward C. Chow, who follows Ukrainian policy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the involvement of the vice president’s son with Mr. Zlochevsky’s firm undermined the Obama administration’s anticorruption message in Ukraine.

“Now you look at the Hunter Biden situation, and on the one hand you can credit the father for sending the anticorruption message,” Mr. Chow said. “But I think unfortunately it sends the message that a lot of foreign countries want to believe about America, that we are hypocritical about these issues.”

Kate Bedingfield, a spokeswoman for the vice president, said Hunter Biden’s business dealings had no impact on his father’s policy positions in connection with Ukraine.

“Hunter Biden is a private citizen and a lawyer,” she said. “The vice president does not endorse any particular company and has no involvement with this company. The vice president has pushed aggressively for years, both publicly with groups like the U.S.-Ukraine Business Forum and privately in meetings with Ukrainian leaders, for Ukraine to make every effort to investigate and prosecute corruption in accordance with the rule of law. It will once again be a key focus during his trip this week.”

Ryan F. Toohey, a Burisma spokesman, said that Hunter Biden would not comment for this article.

It is not known how Mr. Biden came to the attention of the company. Announcing his appointment to the board, Alan Apter, a former Morgan Stanley investment banker who is chairman of Burisma, said, “The company’s strategy is aimed at the strongest concentration of professional staff and the introduction of best corporate practices, and we’re delighted that Mr. Biden is joining us to help us achieve these goals.”

Joining the board at the same time was one of Mr. Biden’s American business partners, Devon Archer. Both are involved with Rosemont Seneca Partners, an American investment firm with offices in Washington.

Mr. Biden is the younger of the vice president’s two sons. His brother, Beau, died of brain cancer in May. In the past, Hunter Biden attracted an unusual level of scrutiny and even controversy. In 2014, he was discharged from the Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine use. He received a commission as an ensign in 2013, and he served as a public affairs officer.

Before his father was vice president, Mr. Biden also briefly served as president of a hedge fund group, Paradigm Companies, in which he was involved with one of his uncles, James Biden, the vice president’s brother. That deal went sour amid lawsuits in 2007 and 2008 involving the Bidens and an erstwhile business partner. Mr. Biden, a graduate of Georgetown University and Yale Law School, also worked as a lobbyist before his father became vice president.

Burisma does not disclose the compensation of its board members because it is a privately held company, Mr. Toohey said Monday, but he added that the amount was “not out of the ordinary” for similar corporate board positions.

Asked about the British investigation, which is continuing, Mr. Toohey said, “Not only was the case dismissed and the company vindicated by the outcome, but it speaks volumes that all his legal costs were recouped.”

In response to Mr. Pyatt’s criticism of the Ukrainian handling of Mr. Zlochevsky’s case, Mr. Toohey said that “strong corporate governance and transparency are priorities shared both by the United States and the leadership of Burisma. Burisma is working to bring the energy sector into the modern era, which is critical for a free and strong Ukraine.”

Vice President Biden has played a leading role in American policy toward Ukraine as Washington seeks to counter Russian intervention in Eastern Ukraine. This week’s visit was his fifth trip to Ukraine as vice president.

Ms. Bedingfield said Hunter Biden had never traveled to Ukraine with his father. She also said that Ukrainian officials had never mentioned Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma to the vice president during any of his visits.

“I’ve got to believe that somebody in the vice president’s office has done some due diligence on this,” said Steven Pifer, who was the American ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000. “I should say that I hope that has happened. I would hope that they have done some kind of check, because I think the vice president has done a very good job of sending the anticorruption message in Ukraine, and you would hate to see something like this undercut that message.”


A version of this article appears in print on
Dec. 9, 2015, Section A, Page 22 of the New York edition with the headline:
The Vice President, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch.

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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:57 pm

https://www.thenation.com/article/ukrai ... -democrats

Aaron Maté wrote:www.thenation.com

The Ukraine Scandal Might Be a Bad Gambit for Democrats

By Aaron Maté


Aaron Maté argues that impeachment is political, not legal—and that the transcript the White House released doesn’t, in itself, implicate the president.
By asking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to assist with an investigation into Joe Biden, President Donald Trump clearly engaged in unethical conduct. After all, Biden could be Trump’s opponent in 2020. Regardless of whether or not the Biden family has had unsavory dealings in Ukraine, Trump should not enroll another country’s leader to find out. The whistle-blower’s concern that Trump attempted to “abuse his office for personal gain” is worthy of investigation.

But whether this rises to the level of impeachment is a separate question. Impeachment is a political—not a legal—issue, and so the answer is based not only on the merits of the case but also on the consequences of pursuing it.

Democratic leaders and media pundits are convinced that Trump extorted Ukraine by delaying military aid to compel an investigation into Biden. Their theory may prove correct, but the available evidence does not, as of now, make for a strong case. Trump had held up military aid to Ukraine by the time of his call with Zelensky, but if the public transcript is accurate, it did not come up during their conversation. According to The New York Times, Zelensky’s government did not learn that the military aid was frozen until more than one month later. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy, who met with Zelensky in early September, said that the Ukrainian president “did not make any connection between the aid that had been cut off and the requests that he was getting from [Trump attorney Rudy] Giuliani.” It will be difficult to prove extortion if Trump’s purported target was unaware.

It is also unclear from the transcript what exactly Trump wants Zelensky to do. The president’s rambling leaves room for ambiguity. On the Biden front, Trump tells Zelensky that “whatever you can do with the Attorney General [William Barr] would be great” and also asks him to “look into it.” But Barr says that he and Trump never spoke about investigating Biden or contacting Ukraine; Zelensky says that he did not feel any pressure to investigate Biden; and “look into it” can be interpreted in ways ranging from damning to benign.

Moreover, Trump’s foremost concern—and the object of the “favor” he asks Zelensky—is not Biden, but securing the Ukrainian president’s assistance with Barr’s review of the origins of the Russia investigation. Although he may be incoherent, Trump is within his rights to ask for Ukraine’s cooperation. As Lev Golinkin noted in The Nation, Ukrainian officials meddled in the 2016 election, with the explicit aim of hurting Trump’s candidacy, by leaking damaging information about Paul Manafort.

The whistle-blower’s complaint underscores the tenuous evidence to date: Its concerns are based entirely on second-hand and open-source information. The complaint references a “word-for-word transcript” produced by the Situation Room. If that is different from the one released by the White House, then perhaps there is still a smoking gun to be found. But if not, then as it stands, Democrats would be pushing for the most serious verdict possible, removal of the president from office, on a shaky case.

Democrats also opted to do so before both the transcript and complaint were released. It is worth asking why Trump’s behavior was already deemed impeachment-worthy before such critical pieces of evidence were available. And given how many immoral and destructive acts Trump commits daily, it is also worth asking why this one was deemed to be, in the words of Representative Adam Schiff, the president’s “most serious misconduct thus far.”

The answer is not difficult. In Washington, elites generally face consequences for the harm they cause not to the general population but to other members of the club. The standard was laid bare in Watergate, when Richard Nixon faced impeachment not for mass murder in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, but for targeting the opposing elite faction and trying to cover it up. George W. Bush surely could have been impeached over the Iraq invasion if not for the fact that his crime against humanity was carried out with bipartisan support.

In the era of Trump, prominent Democratic and media figures have shaped their “Resistance” around the imperatives of the national security state and hostility to Trump’s occasional deviations. That is what gave us Russiagate, where US intelligence officials suspected Trump of being a Russian agent for breaking with bipartisan hostility toward Moscow. Ukrainegate also originates with the national security state. Its whistle-blower hails from the CIA, and his sources occupy nearby perches, including inside the White House. The prevailing concern is not just Trump’s alleged corruption but also, in the words of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, that “Russia has a hand in this.”

Their outcry presupposes that Trump endangered Ukraine and emboldened Russia by pausing the military assistance. In reality, US military aid has prolonged a disastrous proxy war with Russia that has claimed thousands of lives. It has also empowered far-right forces in Ukraine who have benefited from the US military assistance that Trump briefly froze. It was a concern for this very outcome that prompted President Obama to resist intense pressure to send that same military aid. Trump reversed Obama’s decision after facing the same Beltway pressure—with the added weight of contemporaneous allegations that he was not only soft on Russia but also its accomplice. The warning of former National Security Council member Charles Kupchan in August 2017 that sending “lethal weapons to Ukraine is a recipe for military escalation and transatlantic discord” has proven to be tragically prescient.

For Democrats to once again oppose Trump via a militarist, Cold War “scandal” risks more danger for Ukraine, Russia, and their own 2020 prospects. We all know how the last one turned out: three years of innuendo, discredited “bombshells,” and an investigation that not only found no Trump-Russia conspiracy but, upon scrutiny, almost no actual contact between Trump and Russia—insofar as “Russia” means the government that his campaign supposedly conspired with, not just Russian passport-holders or people who claim to know them. It should now be clear what Russiagate meant for the cause of defeating Trump in 2020. The collusion hype not only sidelined focus on the harm Trump has done to the country and the world but gave him the additional gift of vindication when it collapsed.

As much as we may hope that a Ukrainegate-centered impeachment proceeding could curb Trump’s other abuses, there are no reasons to expect that outcome. Instead, we risk another all-consuming affair much like Russiagate, with political and media energy consumed by minutiae that few Americans care about, and a hawkish worldview once again deemed synonymous with being anti-Trump. The fact that Schiff, the top congressional promoter of discredited Trump-Russia innuendo, is once again leading the charge does not inspire confidence. Schiff has already falsely declared that the whistle-blower alleged that “Trump pressured Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden” and that this allegation was “Confirmed.” In fact, the whistle-blower only alleged that Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate Biden, not “manufacture dirt” on him, and the transcript does not “confirm” otherwise.

Republicans will also get ample opportunities to highlight Democratic double standards. Even if Trump and Giuliani’s worst suspicions about Biden are incorrect, what is already established is damning enough. Hunter Biden obtained his lucrative board seat on a Ukrainian gas company despite having no experience in the country, and just months after his father’s administration backed a coup that overthrew its government. That very fact will weaken any Democratic effort to highlight Trump’s efforts to enrich himself and his family through the Oval Office. Republicans will also point to the irony of Trump’s being accused of seeking 2020 election help from Ukraine after Democratic Party officials already received such help in 2016. And after they take their turns hammering Biden’s dealings and Democrats’ hypocrisy, Senate Republicans will inevitably vote for Trump’s acquittal.

Throughout Russiagate, the interests of national security state officials converged with those of the neoliberal Democrats who lost to Trump in 2016. The unwavering focus on a conspiracy theory allowed Democratic elites to stave off the transformation that should have resulted from losing to a billionaire con man who posed as a working-class champion. Ukrainegate grants them yet one more extension: Instead of a Democratic primary where issues like Medicare For All, education, climate change, immigrant rights, militarism, and class warfare are being addressed like never before, the country risks another incessant fixation with an intra-elite battle that relegates voters, and their concerns, to the margins. Democrats risk not only sidelining voters but their own best opportunity to reach them.

It is possible that enough incriminating evidence will be uncovered to make the Ukrainegate gambit worth it. But there are already enough parallels with the self-defeating scandal that consumed Democrats over the course of Trump’s first term to give pause. That is, at minimum, worthy of careful reflection as we head into the period that will decide whether Trump is to win or lose another four years.



Atlantic willing to publish a writer who says the obvious:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... on/598804/


Hunter Biden’s Perfectly Legal, Socially Acceptable Corruption
Donald Trump committed an impeachable offense, but prominent Americans also shouldn’t be leveraging their names for payoffs from shady clients abroad.


SEP 27, 2019
Sarah Chayes
Author of Thieves of State: Why Corruption Threatens National Security

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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby RocketMan » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:15 pm

This was a thing of beauty, the whole essay being very worthwhile...

JackRiddler wrote:Of course, as men of a certain culture, they are not very different: Both especially enjoy the opportunities for macho dominance expressions, and make these into spectacles, enjoying the applause. These moments are where they each can produce their own downfall, where they feel like demigods and masters with their worshippers arrayed before them, and are thus at their blindest. I'm not going to argue Biden has more self-control than Trump. They have both been able to express this side of themselves constantly within contexts that allowed and seemed to celebrate it. But now they are both in different worlds: Trump as the big tribal chief in the White House, Biden as the presumed presidential front-runner.


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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:52 pm

Thank you!

Here's a piece arguing I've spoken too soon on the likely legality of all the skeezy corrupt shit Hunter Biden does, assuredly as a typical member of his skeezy disgusting class of self-serving operators. Maybe Hunter was asking his father to have the pressure be put on the prosecutor, who is claiming the opposite of what Risen writes above, that he was all about investigating Burisma.

I don't know this John Solomon, who seems to be well on the right and all about the Trump defense, or if he's trustworthy. But here's his case, maybe someone wants to follow the links to alleged documents and analyze some more.

The fact that Zelensky may well reopen the investigation as he is promising highlights another stupidity in the Democratic leadership plan on this: they are putting their damn fate in the hands of a foreign government that can always decide it prefers to be closer to Trump!

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/46 ... aine-story

Cut and paste is a pain in the ass with that site, so here's the lede and follow the link.

TheHill.com

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

BY JOHN SOLOMON, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 09/26/19 06:00 PM EDT 10,905

THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.

He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

There’s just one problem.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma’s legal troubles and stop prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

For instance, Burisma’s American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the country’s chief prosecutor and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors, according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting. The effort to secure that meeting began the same day the prosecutor's firing was announced.

In addition, Burisma’s American team offered to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Obama administration officials to make amends, according to that memo and the American legal team’s internal emails.

The memos raise troubling questions:

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.

Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, told Trump in July that he plans to launch his own wide-ranging investigation into what happened with the Bidens and Burisma.

“I’m knowledgeable about the situation,” Zelensky told Trump, asking the American president to forward any evidence he might know about. "The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case.”

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Postby NeonLX » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:32 pm

RocketMan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:51 pm wrote:That bit about the definition of "whistleblower" being changed brought back fond memories of the changes in procedure in airline hijacks over the summer of 2001...


Oh, goodness gracious, I'd forgotten about these changes! Sorry to hijack the thread. Back to the regular programming.
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Postby alloneword » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:18 pm

If anyone's still wondering how deep this rabbit hole can get and has got a(nother) 35 mins to spare, see what peanuts can be picked out of this Eric Zuesse piece.

He concludes:
Consequently: Trump will probably abandon the matter, and the till-now-unsupported and maybe unsupportable mere assumption, that Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian benefactor was Zlochevsky instead of Kolomoysky, will continue to be asserted virtually everywhere throughout the U.S. empire, for as long a time as the matter continues to remain in the ‘news’. Of course, if that turns out to be the case, then Joe Biden will continue to be portrayed in this matter as having been a crusader against corruption in Ukraine, instead of as having been the aspiring founder of yet another billionaire American dynasty.

Basically, the new Russiagate charges to replace Trump by Pence, Ukrainegate (as those charges were presented by the CIA ‘whistleblower’ on August 12th and published on September 26th), represent all of the Democratic Party’s billionaires, and many of the Republican Party’s ones, as well. It’s the pinnacle of the Obama-versus-Trump feud, because it represents the Democratic Party’s position on what was Obama’s top international achievement — his conquest (via a coup) against Ukraine. Trump refuses to condemn Obama’s coup against Ukraine, but if he cared about the truth, he would, and the worst that could happen to him then would be that, for once in his life, he’d be fighting for truth, and not just for himself. Apparently, that’s too big a leap for him to take.

What’s especially pathetic in all of this is that whenever the U.S. Government overthrows and destroys a country, it’s trumpeted as reflecting America’s standing-up for rule-of-law and opposition to corruption, and for support of democracy and protection of human rights; but whenever Russia or a nation that’s friendly toward Russia resists control by the U.S. and its allies, it’s portrayed as being a dictatorship and an opponent of democracy and of human rights. So, go figure.


Still, I have to admit... the ad is pretty good (for it's genre).
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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:39 pm

NeonLX » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:32 pm wrote:
RocketMan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:51 pm wrote:That bit about the definition of "whistleblower" being changed brought back fond memories of the changes in procedure in airline hijacks over the summer of 2001...


Oh, goodness gracious, I'd forgotten about these changes! Sorry to hijack the thread. Back to the regular programming.


Sorry to continue that, but can you remind me of this please? Why do I not remember it?
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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:16 pm

The man.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... hypocrisy/

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Heroes, Villains and Establishment Hypocrisy - Craig Murray

Trump and Johnson’s populism have shaken the old Establishment, and raised some very interesting questions about who is and who is not nowadays inside the Establishment and a beneficiary of the protection of the liberal elite. Yesterday two startling examples in the news coverage cast a very lurid light on this question, and I ask you to consider the curious cases of Hunter Biden and Brendan Cox, two of the most undeserving and unpleasant people that can be imagined.

The BBC news bulletins led on the move to impeach Donald Trump for, as they put it, his efforts to get the President of Ukraine to undermine a political opponent. To be plain, I think Trump was quite wrong to get personally involved in this, but please park the entire subject of Donald Trump to one side for the next ten minutes.

What I find deeply reprehensible in all the BBC coverage is their failure to report the facts of the case, and their utter lack of curiosity about why Joe Biden’s son Hunter was paid $60,000 a month by Burisma, Ukraine’s largest natural gas producer, as an entirely absent non-executive director, when he had no relevant experience in Ukraine or gas, and very little business experience, having just been dishonorably discharged from the Navy Reserve for use of crack cocaine? Is that question not just little bit interesting? That may be the thin end of it – in 2014-15 Hunter Biden received US $850,000 from the intermediary company channeling the payments. In reporting on Trump being potentially impeached for asking about it, might you not expect some analysis – or at least mention – of what he was asking about?

As far as I am aware, the BBC have not reported at all the other thing Trump was asking Zelensky about – Crowdstrike. Regular readers will recall that Crowdstrike are the Clinton linked “cyber-security” company which provided the “forensic data” to the FBI on the alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers – data which has been analysed by my friend Bill Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA, who characterises it as showing speeds of transfer impossible by internet and indicating a download to an attached drive. The FBI were never allowed access to the actual DNC server – and never tried, taking the DNC’s consultants word for the contents, which itself is sufficient proof of the bias of the “investigation”.

Crowdstrike also made the claim that the same Russia hackers – “Fancy Bear” – who hacked the DNC, hacked Ukrainian artillery software causing devastating losses of Ukrainian artillery. This made large headlines at the time. What did not make any MSM headlines was the subsequent discovery that all of this never happened and the artillery losses were entirely fictitious. As Crowdstrike had claimed that it was the use of the same coding in the DNC hack as in the preceding (non-existent) Ukraine artillery hack, that proved Russia hacked the DNC, this is pretty significant. Trump was questioning Zelensky about rumours the “hacked” DNC server was hidden in the Ukraine by Crowdstrike. The media has no interest in reporting any of that at all.

It is plain in that case that Trump is the media’s villain and the Bidens, father and son, are therefore heroes being protected by the Establishment media. Now let us look at the case of Brendan Cox.

Boris Johnson’s behaviour in the Commons two nights ago was reprehensible. Watching the unrepentant and aggressive braying of the Tory MPs, I was genuinely concerned about the consequences for democracy should these empowered right wingers ever get a majority. Johnson has removed the social restraint which used to cloak their atavistic instincts.

This Tory display also very much reinforced what I have been saying for years, that we will not gain Scottish Independence through a repeat of 2014. We were allowed a referendum with only moderate cheating by the British state purely because they believed there was no chance we could win. They have been disabused. There will never be a Section 30 order an an agreed referendum again. We will have to seize Independence by means which the British state will deem unlawful. Anybody not prepared to do that is not serious about Independence.

I digress. Johnson’s behaviour is appalling and he is at an interesting stage where the Establishment and its media is unsure whether to embrace or repudiate him, the calculation depending on whether they think he will win, and on the impact of Brexit on their personal financial interests. But as with Trump, I ask you to set aside your judgement on Johnson and not think of him for a moment.

Yesterday BBC news programmes brought us repeated appearances of Brendan Cox to comment on Boris Johnson and other MP’s parliamentary behaviour. This Brendan Cox:

One such allegation was that Cox pinned a co-worker to a wall by her throat while telling her ‘I want to fuck you’. Cox left the organisation before being subjected to scrutiny on this and other allegations. However, another woman, a senior US official who met him at a Harvard University event, made similar allegations against him, ‘of grabbing her by the hips, pulling her hair, and forcing his thumb into her mouth’ ‘in a sexual way’. In contrast to Assange’s treatment, and despite a social-media furore, for nearly three years there was largely a media blackout on the story. At last, in February 2018, a right-wing tabloid broke the embargo and reported the allegations, and other news organisations had to follow suit. Finally, ‘Cox apologised for the “hurt and offence” caused by his past behaviour’ and announced he was withdrawing from public life.

I strongly recommend you to read that last linked article. Cox is very much on the wavelength of the Establishment media, a full member of the New Labour neo-liberal elite who shuttled between jobs in the Labour Party and in high paying neo-liberal propaganda organisation Save the Children. Cox was personally pocketing £106,000 a year plus expenses from donations to the “charity”. A serial unfaithful sexual aggressor, his wife’s murder sees him recast by the media as the grieving survivor of a perfect marriage. Precisely his strongest political supporters – Jess Phillips, Stella Creasy etc – are Julian Assange’s bitterest opponents due to far flimsier, hotly denied and less attested sexual allegations than those against Cox. But neo-liberals get a free pass from the modern feminist movement (cf Bill Clinton).

Boris Johnson’s behaviour was a dsgrace. But that is no reason for the BBC rehabilitation of the “retired from public life” sexual predator.

The fascinating thing is the binary, good versus evil, narrative which is being pursued in the liberal media. Trump and Johnson are bad. Therefore Hunter Biden and Brendan Cox must be good. The truth, of course, is much more complex than that. I am afraid to say that if you want an excessive simplification, a more accurate one would be that the entire political elite on all sides are self-serving and venal.*

There is a more interesting story inside that, where significant portions of the public have lost respect for the Establishment, due in large part to the vast and increasing wealth gap in society, but this disillusion has been battened on by populist charlatans, and particularly directed against immigrants. This feels like an extremely unstable phase in society and politics. But instability brings the possibility of radical change, which is indeed much needed. We must all work for good from it.
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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:37 pm

alloneword » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:18 pm wrote:If anyone's still wondering how deep this rabbit hole can get and has got a(nother) 35 mins to spare, see what peanuts can be picked out of this Eric Zuesse piece.

He concludes:
Consequently: Trump will probably abandon the matter, and the till-now-unsupported and maybe unsupportable mere assumption, that Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian benefactor was Zlochevsky instead of Kolomoysky, will continue to be asserted virtually everywhere throughout the U.S. empire, for as long a time as the matter continues to remain in the ‘news’. Of course, if that turns out to be the case, then Joe Biden will continue to be portrayed in this matter as having been a crusader against corruption in Ukraine, instead of as having been the aspiring founder of yet another billionaire American dynasty.

Basically, the new Russiagate charges to replace Trump by Pence, Ukrainegate (as those charges were presented by the CIA ‘whistleblower’ on August 12th and published on September 26th), represent all of the Democratic Party’s billionaires, and many of the Republican Party’s ones, as well. It’s the pinnacle of the Obama-versus-Trump feud, because it represents the Democratic Party’s position on what was Obama’s top international achievement — his conquest (via a coup) against Ukraine. Trump refuses to condemn Obama’s coup against Ukraine, but if he cared about the truth, he would, and the worst that could happen to him then would be that, for once in his life, he’d be fighting for truth, and not just for himself. Apparently, that’s too big a leap for him to take.

What’s especially pathetic in all of this is that whenever the U.S. Government overthrows and destroys a country, it’s trumpeted as reflecting America’s standing-up for rule-of-law and opposition to corruption, and for support of democracy and protection of human rights; but whenever Russia or a nation that’s friendly toward Russia resists control by the U.S. and its allies, it’s portrayed as being a dictatorship and an opponent of democracy and of human rights. So, go figure.


Still, I have to admit... the ad is pretty good (for it's genre).
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Here's his core argument, and it relies on which "Burisma" is supposed to be investigated: What appeared to be the refusal to investigate Burisma in 2014, by the prosecutor whom Biden helped to oust, was actually the prosecutor's refusal to go after a Yanukovich-era owner who had been driven out of the country. Meanwhile the other partner, who actually owns the company's majority according to the author's findings and who hired Hunter and Archer for a year, has accommodated himself to the Americans. (I bolded what he terms the most essential question.) The author argues that the corporate media and Risen have upheld a false narrative, that the ousted Yanukovich-allied owner was still the owner after the coup, but claims he had not been a holder of the majority since long before the coup. (The article could stand to be more clearly written, or use lists and a more strictly chronological approach. But I am not without sin in that regard, to cast stones.)

A certain historical background is essential here; and this, too, goes up against American ‘news’-reporting and will therefore be linked to articles that, in turn, link to ultimate sources that are of unquestioned reliability on each of the particulars that are in question: There was a coup in Ukraine in February 2014, which is portrayed in the West as being a democratic revolution (but was actually a coup hidden behind anticorruption demonstrations, and that was entirely illegal), and it replaced the democratically elected President by a ruler who was selected by Victoria Nuland, whose boss was Secretary of State John Kerry, whose boss was Barack Obama. Nuland had been originally a protégé of Vice President Dick Cheney, and then of Kerry’s immediate predecessor Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Obama assigned Nuland to carry out his plan for Ukraine, which plan was to turn its government away from being friendly toward its next-door neighbor Russia to becoming instead a satellite of the United States against Ukraine’s next-door neighbor. Consequently, fascists, and even outright racist-fascists (nazis), people who came from the groups that had supported Hitler against Stalin during World War II, were installed into this new government, such as the co-founder of the Social Nationalist Party of Ukraine, Andriy Parubiy. (The CIA instructed that Party, which was Ukraine’s main nazi party, to change its name to “Freedom Party” — Svoboda — so as to become acceptable to Americans; and Paribuy and his colleagues did it, in order to help the U.S. Government to fool the American people about what the U.S. was doing in Ukraine.)

At least until Zelensky was elected, Ukraine’s Government remained fascist. And so is Kolomoysky himself, as I had reported about him on 18 May 2014. As I reported there,

On 12 May 2014, Burisma Holdings announced, “Hunter Biden Joins the Team of Burisma Holdings,” and reported that, “Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director. R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations.”

Promptly, Burisma’s website started presenting Burisma as if if were a Ukrainian-American if not outright American corporation. Devon Archer, shown there, was a business-partner of Hunter Biden. As the Washington Examiner reported, on 27 August 2019:

At the time, Hunter Biden, now 49, and Christopher Heinz, the stepson of then-Secretary of State John Kerry, co-owned Rosemont Seneca Partners, a $2.4 billion private equity firm. Heinz’s college roommate, Devon Archer, was managing partner in the firm. In the spring of 2014, Biden and Archer joined the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian gas company that was at the center of a U.K. money laundering probe. Over the next year, Burisma reportedly paid Biden and Archer’s companies over $3 million.

Subsequently, both Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were removed from Burisma’s board and replaced by a four-person board, which mysteriously had included ever since May 2013 (which still was after Zlochevsky no longer controlled the company) Alan Apter, of Sullivan & Cromwell, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, and Renaissance Capital. Apter now became the “Chairman of the Board of Directors”. Here are the other three Directors: Aleksander Kwaśniewski was the President of the Republic of Poland from 1995 to 2005 when it was being taken over by America, and when Kwaśniewski was also a member of the Atlantic Council (NATO’s PR arm), and of the Bilderberg Group. Joseph Cofer Black was the Director of the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center (1999-2002) and Ambassador at Large for counter-terrorism (2002-2004), while President George W. Bush was lying America into invading Iraq, and Black subsequently became the Vice Chairman at Blackwater Worldwide (now Academi), which the Bush Government hired to train and arm mercenaries to help conquer Iraq. (Blackwater/Academi is owned by Erik Prince, the brother of Betsy DeVos of the Amway fortune, who is the Trump Secretary of Education, and Prince also is a personal friend of Trump. Obama’s Government also hired Blackwater/Academi to kill independence fighters in the Dnieper Donets Basin, where Burisma owns the drilling rights for gas.) And the fourth Director is Karina Zlochevska, whom the site identifies hardly at all, but is actually the daughter of Mykola Zlochevsky. In other words: Zlochevsky probably does remain as a minority owner of the company, and she represents his interests there.

Virtually all of the Western press simply alleges that Mykola Zlochevsky owns Burisma Holdings and brought Biden on board and was his boss; however, I have never seen from any of those ‘news’-reports any evidence or documentation that it’s true — nothing like the sources that Richard Smith relied upon and linked to documenting that this was Kolomoysky’s company. Nothing, at all.

This is important — is it Zlochevsky or Kolomoysky? — because Zlochevsky was associated with the prior Government of Ukraine and its President Viktor Yanukovych, whom the U.S. Government had overthrown in an operation that started in 2011 and that ended very successfully in February 2014 with the American Government’s Victoria Nuland on 27 January 2014 telling the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to get “Yats” Yatsenyuk appointed to run the country as soon as Yanukovych becomes successfully overthrown — which happened less than a month later, during February 20-22 — and Yatsenyuk then received the appointment on February 26th to run the country, just as Obama’s agent Nuland had instructed. Zlochevsky fled the country, because he had been politically allied with Yanukovych, who also fled the country. Obama’s Government constantly tried to get Zlochevsky prosecuted for alleged corruption, but Zlochevsky had sold the company to Kolomoysky even before Obama took over Ukraine. It’s not at all clear that Hunter Biden had ever so much as just met Zlochevsky.

Joseph Biden, as is well reported in the press, instructed the new Ukrainian Government to fire and replace the General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who had failed to prosecute Zlochevsky, and this action by Joe is reported as indicating that the senior Biden granted his son’s employer no favor but instead the opposite — that Joe insisted upon Hunter’s boss’s prosecution.

For example, James Risen, of The Intercept, which is owned by one of the financial backers of the overthrow of Yanukovych, Pierre Omidyar (see this and this and this and this and this and this), headlined on September 25th, “I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.”, and Risen reported that:

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

Risen reported there that V.P. Biden’s “anti-corruption message might be undermined by the association of his son Hunter with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.”

However, none of that press says Kolomoysky owned the company and was its boss. The presumption there is always that Zlochevsky needed to be prosecuted — not that Kolomoysky did. Kolomoysky is simply being written out of the picture altogether — whited-out from it

Also as is typical, the New York Times reported, on 1 May 2019, that Mykola Zlochevsky is the “owner of Burisma Holdings” and that “Mr. Lutsenko initially continued investigating Mr. Zlochevsky and Burisma, but cleared him of all charges within 10 months of taking office. The prosecutor general reversed himself and reopened an investigation into Burisma this year. Some see his decision as an effort to curry favor with the Trump administration.” For some mysterious reason, that article not only says that the replacement Prosecutor tried and failed and now tried again to prosecute Zlochevsky but that “Some see his decision as an effort to curry favor with the Trump administration,” though, actually, it was the Obama Administration that had been pressing Ukraine’s Government to prosecute Zlochevsky, who wasn’t Hunter Biden’s boss and didn’t control Burisma and was associated not with the 2014 Obama-installed Government of Ukraine but instead with the Government that had preceded it and was the last of all Ukraine’s democratic Governments, having been democratically elected by all of Ukraine including the two regions (Crimea and Donbass) that broke away from Ukraine when Obama in February 2014 overthrew the Government that those two now-breakaway regions had voted for, by over 75% in that 2010 election.
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Postby RocketMan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:20 am

JackRiddler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:39 am wrote:
NeonLX » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:32 pm wrote:
RocketMan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:51 pm wrote:That bit about the definition of "whistleblower" being changed brought back fond memories of the changes in procedure in airline hijacks over the summer of 2001...


Oh, goodness gracious, I'd forgotten about these changes! Sorry to hijack the thread. Back to the regular programming.


Sorry to continue that, but can you remind me of this please? Why do I not remember it?


This, as quoted from Moon of Alabama by Belligerent Savant up thread:

Until very recently the intelligence community complaint form required that any claimant had first hand knowledge of the complaint issue. The form was changed in August (more here: https://mobile.twitter.com/climateaudit ... 3566093312) but uploaded only on September 24 to also allow for hearsay to be the basis of a complaint. This reinforces the impression that the complaint is part of a larger intelligence operation. Who initiated the change?
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:25 am

RocketMan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:20 am wrote:
JackRiddler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:39 am wrote:
NeonLX » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:32 pm wrote:
RocketMan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:51 pm wrote:That bit about the definition of "whistleblower" being changed brought back fond memories of the changes in procedure in airline hijacks over the summer of 2001...


Oh, goodness gracious, I'd forgotten about these changes! Sorry to hijack the thread. Back to the regular programming.


Sorry to continue that, but can you remind me of this please? Why do I not remember it?


Got the hearsay part, yes.

I was wondering about the procedure in airline hijacks!

I'm really going to be disgusted at the way that almost the only critical reportage of the complaint, CIA involvement, choices in impeachment, actual events in Ukraine over the last decade, Burisma and such, the Bidens, Crowdstrike, the origins of #Russiagate, etc., is going to come not just from only one corner (the wrong one politically) but wrapped in many layers of bullshit exonerating Trump-GOP and their fascist-supremacist-exterminationist political thrust, but also fabricating their own counterfables about how Biden and Soros invented global warming while dancing on child skulls and ordered wars and socialist genocides that Trump the Peace candidate opposes, etc. etc.

Nothing but noise, and the real target would be to prevent the formation of relevant political debate about the future form of this society, political economy, and planetary civilization in a time of self-extermination. ABB, in a way.

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Postby RocketMan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:55 am

Oh, sorry... :starz:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-milit ... eeded/6906

The 1997 hijacking scramble protocol CJCSI 3610, which distinguished emergent situations (requiring immediate action between the FAA and the military) from non-emergent situations (requiring decision input from the highest levels of the DoD) was rewritten June 1, 2001, as ordered by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. As a result, the number of fighter-interceptor scrambles fell from the usual average of 7-8 per month before the rewrite, to zero during the 3.3 months before September 11th, and to zero on September 11th itself.
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Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:46 am

Right, right, right, now I remember. Sucks when you forget things you majored in.
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:44 am

Ah, 9/11, the day journalism died. Eighteen years on, the hacks' use of Thoughtstopper #1 has become unabashedly indifferent to reality. The term "conspiracy theory" now simply means "any fact that inconveniences me, my employers, or my party"

Remember when Jane Standley, reporting live from midtown Manhattan for BBC TV, announced that WTC7 had collapsed -- and all the while, the building was still standing, visibly intact, behind her left shoulder? Well, back then (in those innocent days!) the Beeb at least felt obliged to simulate a fault in transmission in order to get her off the fucking air, NOW, for Christ's sake! In 2019 embarrassment is totally passé. (It's sooo 2001!) Nowadays they would simply deny flat-out that the building was still visible.

Which brings us back to Biden's Televised Boast: It is really noticeable how many of these big corporate-media outlets have been pushing this "without evidence" line, unisono. I can't remember that locution ever being hammered so obtrusively and insistently into the first line of every news report on BBC World radio. On German radio too, the very same reluctant and belated reports of the accusations against the Bidens, and always with the very same qualifier in the very first line: "ohne Beweise vorzulegen".

It is really striking, as if they are all following the same very tight script. Which, of course, they are.
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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby RocketMan » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:55 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:44 pm wrote:Ah, 9/11, the day journalism died. Eighteen years on, the hacks' use of Thoughtstopper #1 has become unabashedly indifferent to reality. The term "conspiracy theory" now simply means "any fact that inconveniences me, my employers, or my party"

Remember when Jane Standley, reporting live from midtown Manhattan for BBC TV, announced that WTC7 had collapsed -- and all the while, the building was still standing, visibly intact, behind her left shoulder? Well, back then (in those innocent days!) the Beeb at least felt obliged to simulate a fault in transmission in order to get her off the fucking air, NOW, for Christ's sake! In 2019 embarrassment is totally passé. (It's sooo 2001!) Nowadays they would simply deny flat-out that the building was still visible.

Which brings us back to Biden's Televised Boast: It is really noticeable how many of these big corporate-media outlets have been pushing this "without evidence" line, unisono. I can't remember that locution ever being hammered so obtrusively and insistently into the first line of every news report on BBC World radio. On German radio too, the very same reluctant and belated reports of the accusations against the Bidens, and always with the very same qualifier in the very first line: "ohne Beweise vorzulegen".

It is really striking, as if they are all following the same very tight script. Which, of course, they are.


Yeah, that's an interesting contrast. It does seem to be mandated that when referring to Biden in this context, it must be made extremely clear that there is NO EVIDENCE, not EVEN A WHIFF of evidence of Biden's blackmailing Ukraine. Preferably in the same sentence, but AT MINIMUM in the following sentence. When in fact there is a clip of him expressly gloating over that fact. And this isn't some piece of samizdat going from hand to hand in subversive circles, it's ON YOUTUBE.
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