Fuck Ron Paul

[Elihu]

he is a threat to the entire established western order...

good thing or bad thing?

[jingofever]

Ron Paul performed well at the Ames Straw Poll, where you openly buy your votes. I see some Ron Paul supporters claiming that Paul is the front-runner because he performs well against Obama in polls. They forget the formality of winning the Republican nomination, where Ron Paul does not perform well against his opponents (unless you can buy votes). Alex Jones was saying that Ron Paul was the front-runner in 2008 as well and he did come in fourth place in the primaries but probably only because he stayed in the race five months longer than most of the other losers. His supporters are the same psychos responsible for this.

Random House has "the board's list" and "the reader's list." The reader's list has an interesting top ten. Some selections:

1 ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand
2 THE FOUNTAINHEAD by Ayn Rand
3 BATTLEFIELD EARTH by L. Ron Hubbard
7 ANTHEM by Ayn Rand
8 WE THE LIVING by Ayn Rand
9 MISSION EARTH by L. Ron Hubbard
10 FEAR by L. Ron Hubbard

[Simulist]

he is a threat to the entire established western order...

good thing or bad thing?

Both. The established western order needs a radical undoing to be sure, but Ron Paul's approach seems to me to be both naively doctrinaire and equally as self-serving (and quite possibly just as rapacious) as what exists now.

If I'm going to support someone in challenging the current established order, that potential leader needs to understand that humans are merely fellow inhabitants on this planet in an interconnecting web of life, never — ever! — its would-be masters. Ron Paul doesn't seem to get that.

And, in my view, the very greatest problems we face now are the mounting consequences of our collective failure to figure that out.

[Searcher08]

Ron Paul performed well at the Ames Straw Poll, where you openly buy your votes. I see some Ron Paul supporters claiming that Paul is the front-runner because he performs well against Obama in polls. They forget the formality of winning the Republican nomination, where Ron Paul does not perform well against his opponents (unless you can buy votes). Alex Jones was saying that Ron Paul was the front-runner in 2008 as well and he did come in fourth place in the primaries but probably only because he stayed in the race five months longer than most of the other losers. His supporters are the same psychos responsible for this.

Random House has "the board's list" and "the reader's list." The reader's list has an interesting top ten. Some selections:

1 ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand
2 THE FOUNTAINHEAD by Ayn Rand

7 ANTHEM by Ayn Rand
8 WE THE LIVING by Ayn Rand

Sorry, I couldnt bare to see Ayn Rand next to XenuBoy.,
Inserts Atlas Shrugged trailer



On a more serious note. my sense is there seems much less chance of a Ron Paul success this time compared with 2008 - a Paul/Kucinich ticket then might have had a chance. Now? I think it is very likely Dennis Kucinich had certain things 'explained' to him on that famous plane flight, things that would have related to the safety of his wife., so I think it is not likely to happen.

[8bitagent]

Oh I'd say Ron Paul has way more a chance in 2012. Obama was pushed as this holy God, I almost want to say the whole thing was rigged. Now that both the left and right feels disillusioned, and as Jon Stewart pointed out there's been a conspiracy of silence with Ron Paul in the media.

My main concern is what he would do with programs that help the poor, social security, alternative energy, gay rights, and other things.

[Elihu]

My main concern is what he would do with programs that help the poor, social security, alternative energy, gay rights, and other things.

with those priorities, it doesn't matter who wins.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
– James Madison

demofake or republonazi. "trying hard, in the name of goodness, to get the poor a little more, doggonit". number one, you're thanking your slavemasters for all the crumbs they dispense, and number two you're serving the very system that keeps them in power. posters including jeff were just marveling the other day about how the poor can be roped into supporting right candidates thus defending their poverty. same thing on the left. this is the flipside. if we just cut checks no questions asked directly to anyone below the poverty line, there would be no poor and it would be less than the programs spend each year! where's the hole in the bucket? those programs aren't there to get rid of poverty or anything else. they're there to perpetuate it and thusly keep a system of mental and physical oppression as well as a two party system in place. we all agree the war on drugs is a....gosh i don't even have the words, why would the war on poverty be any different?

the point is....what is the point? lift up your eyes man...

[The Consul]

Less we forget Paul joked during the 08 campaign when a loud sound was heard back stage oh for a minute there I thought somebody shot Obama. Ha ha ha ha ha. Although he has a couple of positions I support, I have never doubted for a pico second that he is a shriveled up, racist turd. For most of the people who had his lawn signs out last time, that was his primary appeal.

[Elihu]

I have never doubted for a pico second that he is a shriveled up, racist turd.

the "racism" bomb. certainly is a lightning rod. or in parlance we can relate to around here, it administers the appropriate "electroshock therapy".

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country ... the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
– Abraham Lincoln

how, if you accept the assessment of society in my foregoing post, could you possibly conclude that the whole system itself isn't racist? the real racists are well hidden in cover. in fact they publicly claim to be pious on the race issue. and to prove it they campaign on getting more "assistance" to poor people (translation: more boodle for us).

i don't know if ron paul is a racist or not. i interpret him as opposing systemic mercantilist fascist (and yes racist) oppression and tyranny. a tyrant doesn't mind if the citizens hate him as long as they hate each other. it's about restoring liberty. if a person wants to be racist after that, they have to do it on their own dime. in that case, paul will be very disappointed if he is racist. seems to me you're straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. but if that turns you off so much, go ahead, vote "progressive" or whatever...

[The Consul]

Whenever anyone talks about "restoring" liberty I know that Whitesnake is probably playing somewhere in the background. Protofascists only precede the ones with fangs.

[Searcher08]

Less we forget Paul joked during the 08 campaign when a loud sound was heard back stage oh for a minute there I thought somebody shot Obama. Ha ha ha ha ha. Although he has a couple of positions I support, I have never doubted for a pico second that he is a shriveled up, racist turd. For most of the people who had his lawn signs out last time, that was his primary appeal.

Please, 'shrivelled up' is ageist shit. A racist turd? C'mon

I think his appeal was that he has been consistent, seems pretty truthful, stands up to lying scumbuckets and respects people. Personally, I find it hard to believe Dennis Kucinich would have praised him if he had a racist bone in his body. I think the way the establishment manipulated and then took over and fucked over the tea party showed they were scared of him.

If I had kids, Kucinich and Paul are the only two people in Congress I'd trust them with.

[Elihu]

"restoring" liberty

okay, de-electrifying a phrase or reclaiming it's original intent: like menshevik/bolshevik or anti-federalist/federalist

flipside of "restoring liberty": disempowering the extra-constitutional or even beyond reasonable apparatus of government that has been hijacked to institutionalize racism (even if it's the real, subtle, effective, pervasive kind and not the emotional in-your-face hollywood kind), perpetuate debt, conduct endless war, wantonly waste resources, etc, etc, etc,.

"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell ..."

[The Consul]

I'll go along with that, mostly....still, "reclaiming" seems to lend itself to a lot of Federalist Societyesque crap. Restoration of original intent often seems to want to blur out, erase or revise the value of historical events that led up to the New Deal and is blind to the catastrophic progression of the effects of capitalism ever since. To me this is disturbing on a variety of levels, not least of which is my feeling that people are actually less empowered now than they were in 1929. My problem with libertarians is that they will, like Paul, fail to consider civil rights as part of liberty (Paul now apparently taking a strong anti-abortion stance). Having been reared in an area where laissez faire capitalism’s only constraint was collective bargaining my experience is that unrestrained capitalism consumes everything in its path and is, essentially, anti-human unless humans exercise control over it outside the market place. Reclaiming or restoring liberty is a magic propaganda that little more than a kool aid cure for cancer. At best it is a placebo as is the entire randian philosophy. If we just leave Frankenstein alone, eventually he will run out of villagers to eat, he will weaken and realize that if he wants to get inside the castle he is going to have to partake in the hierarchy after which he could be of use, who knows?

[Laodicean]

[eyeno]

Less we forget Paul joked during the 08 campaign when a loud sound was heard back stage oh for a minute there I thought somebody shot Obama. Ha ha ha ha ha. Although he has a couple of positions I support, I have never doubted for a pico second that he is a shriveled up, racist turd. For most of the people who had his lawn signs out last time, that was his primary appeal.

Please, 'shrivelled up' is ageist shit. A racist turd? C'mon

I think his appeal was that he has been consistent, seems pretty truthful, stands up to lying scumbuckets and respects people. Personally, I find it hard to believe Dennis Kucinich would have praised him if he had a racist bone in his body. I think the way the establishment manipulated and then took over and fucked over the tea party showed they were scared of him.

If I had kids, Kucinich and Paul are the only two people in Congress I'd trust them with.

Homeland Insecurity has put out bulletins advising police departments all over america that Ron Paul supporters are to be "suspected of crimes" and are probably "domestic terrorist suspects".

Park Rangers have run people out of campgrounds based on the fact that a Ron Paul bumper sticker is on their car. This seems to indicate that the bulletins have gone down to the federal campground/park level.

I'm not sure what that means but it definitely without question means something. If bulletins are being distributed that tell police officers to "watch for Paul supporters" it obviously means that the Paul message is dangerous to power.

Someone will probably ask me to link to this info but I can't do it at the present time without searching for it. You will have to do that on your own.

[SonicG]

Hmmmm...Ron Paul supporters are "dangerous to the powers that be" because they want to hand them the deal they had at the turn of the century when capitalism ran even more freely?? They are running them from campgrounds? How can anyone in any campground be seen as a threat??

Yeah, I found some vids of seemingly Alex Jones types claiming this but I can't watch them now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmpWGd8OFa0

Maybe they are on watch because of this.

Seriously though, the problem is the structure of the US political system in that there is no proportional representation. Smaller and fringe parties can only gain PR by running for the presidency. What could Paul do with the overwhelming majority of the two parties against him? All smaller parties should concentrate resources on the lower levels and/or work on changing the constitution to allow for proportional representation.