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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby peartreed » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:51 am

You'll also find fewer survivors speaking out and participating on this forum now, particularly in the toxic atmosphere of suspicion, accusation and acrimony imparted in this thread. While I acknowledge that the intention was to clear the air, the opposite - a cloud of suspicion, confusion and calamity -has been the result. Good people have been hurt and left. Others angered. Most disappointed to see the devolution of what has otherwise been a fine forum, being currently gutted by gossip and rumor and unfounded fears.

I've been reading here for years but seldom participate by posting. I've also followed the other forums at issue and am familiar with most of the names being pejoratively pinned as probable puppets and as a conspiring, covert crew in paranoid panic. I can attest that most are innocent of what is being implied and attributed to them, directly and by innuendo, except for two main antagonists targeted. The two disruptors were OSR and, separately, Delgado.

Otherwise the "named" (attributed and projected by inaccurate assumptions about their identity and motives) have included LilyPat2 (Patricia Davis), Susano (11:11, Thomas Paine) and LabRat (Second Wind) as OSR's "crew". That name-calling net was also cast to include others deemed sympathetic to them and thus summararily painted/tainted with the same broad brush and so similarly condemned. Even recent regulars here got smeared by that grouping.

They are accused of destroying forums for fun and ARG frolic. Bullshit. UC continues, as does the BV, as does GLP, as does this fringe frontier too. Dreams End's forum, blog and bullhorn were victims of his own panic over ARG, separate from OSR and Cosmic Cowbell's contrived "OSR crew" conspirators. Cowbell has had this particular crop in her craw (or cud) ever since LilyPat dared submit that many alleged alien abductions were done by human hands, and she has chewed to death that perceived personal challenge to her beliefs.

Like compared2what?'s precipitating post about her own deep distrust of other regulars here based on her own personalized misinterpretations of motivations, each instigator in this forum furor has a personal hobby horse to beat upon, but rides it recklessly like a rodeo roundup to lassoo all the unusual suspects.

Add into that fear fomentation a deeply offended and outraged administrator's ally who was unfairly and personally skewered in another forum, that had a few loose ties with some unwary, enabling participants from here, and the clucking ladies suddenly have their black knight protector crusading vengefully for their kills -weilding the duel weapon of righteous revenge and Jeff's ear.

The net result is a tangled net of negativity that captures everyone's angst, and culminates in a caustic atmosphere of confusion, condemnation and chaos.

Hardly an inviting environment for welcoming inclusion to those many victims watching and waiting for an avenue of investigation and informative research.

Like most forums, the regulars here have become too caught up in drinking their own bath water and swallowing it whole, based on loyalty, seniority and friendship. The self-absorbed acrimony about others has become poisonously paranoid. Fear of forum collapse is driving the owner to demented distraction, buying into the bullshit his henchmen and women have ladled on vicariously.

The rest of us watch in somewhat stunned dismay, knowing the barricades have been built, the banners blown and the ban blade sharpened for more heads to roll. We wonder when there will be a return to tolerance, inclusivity and more rigorous intuition.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby sw » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:27 am

I was not implying that I am a bad or that it is me.

I just wondered that since I was more vocal in the past and I went forward as a whistle blower in early 2005, if one of the agencies I went to started a person up who just happened to be made in a similar light to me to discredit me.

When I came forward as a survivor and explained, I was never sure what damage I might cause myself and the board for having come forward in the first place. I was naive at first and thought justice would come out of coming forward. Fool's hope. Not everything is about me. Just hoping that my efforts at justice did not shower crap down on others I hold in high esteem.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Uncle $cam » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:35 am

peartreed, I don't know who you are but, very well said, I only wish I could have been as half a third as articulate as that...
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby smiths » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:59 am

peartreed, I don't know who you are but, very well said


ditto
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:08 am

ON EDIT: OH MY GOD, SMITHS, THE AVATAR IS SUPPOSED TO POINT AT ME.

WAIT WHILE I FIX THAT.

smiths wrote:well with all due respect, i read the story, including the strange bit at the end where CC and et suddenly ask for the reinstatement of DE and jeffs eyeball clearly popped out

it doesnt answer my question
what i want to know is what has been achieved,

are the puppets exposed and banned?
is everyone satisfied that as much has been done as can be done?
is information about attacks and secret stooges going to be shared in the future?

is everyone going to get on with posting about the things that are happening?


I'm sorry that you're confused. I'm presently on a self-declared time-out, at a minimum.

But I did not want the post by peartreed and the many others like it to represent the last word.

I'm not going to share the hair-raising stories of violation that would elicit sympathy from the community, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. It just means that I'm private person and that I consider them to be my private fucking business. Besides which, I've been down this road before with people who really did do this shit for a living and who were not DOIN IT wrong. And RULE NUMBER FUCKING ONE is that you don't fucking let them see what they're trying to get you to show them. Believe it or not, they're just shooting in the dark unless you tell them when they've hit the target. Assuming that you're not really being surveilled, stalked and bugged, of course. And BTW -- generally speaking, when you really are and it really is covert, your persecutors have kind of a vested interest in NOT LETTING YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. Therefore, if THEY ARE LETTING YOU KNOW ABOUT IT: It's harassment! Report it to the minimum number of trustworthy people necessary for your own personal security. And if you know who your harassers are, you may or may not want to respond to or send a message to them in whatever way, shape or form information and experience suggests will be the most effective.

But you probably don't want to do that. WHY? WEll. BECAUSE: YOU DO NOT WANT TO SHOW THEM THEY HIT THE MARK, UNLESS WHAT YOU WANT IS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO HIT IT ANOTHER 500,000 TIMES. So sorry. No sympathy-winning stories. Common sense and professionalism prohibit it.

smiths. How are you? May I tell you something? Thanks.

What I personally wanted to do here was put some people on notice. I've done that. They know who they are and so do I. So you don't have to. I understand why you don't appreciate that. But it's actually a good thing for the community, and I'm perfectly willing and will in fact be delighted and thrilled if I get to take the fall for the bomb when it doesn't go off. So starting right now, unless and until it does or I hear it ticking, I take it all back. Everything I said was just my personalized misperception, or whatever that felicitous turn of phrase was. I stipulate to it on the record.

And besides that, I'm well known on this forum for being incredibly fanciful, unreasonable, and loose with the facts, right? I mean just look at my record. I'm a crazy paranoid freak and a batty dame who can't tell the difference between theory and fact. I duly attest and swear to that, and will happily wear the Big Crybaby Bib of Shame, henceforth.

As long as no bombs go off that's net fucking gain, in my book.

Also: Hey everybody! And how are you?

Wanna know something? Thanks!

If the only point you really feels MUST be made is that this thread has ruined RI (for the 1,000th) time, which you regret, because you LOVE and ADORE this forum, you know what you could do for it?

You can stop repeating over and over that it's fucked because of this thread. And do you know why? Because your voices have been clearly heard. Your point has been clearly made. I'm grateful to have provided a proximate occasion for you to express it. And, anyway, for christ's sake, everyone knows that I'm batty. I mean, otherwise, why would I be wearing the Big Crybaby Bib of Shame?

I mean I'm not saying you're not right. When you're right, you're right. God love you all. But sometimes, there's a thin line between being right and a little too much of a good thing. So don't overdo it. Try getting back to trusting each other, which nothing is stopping you from doing, presumably. Because (a) if you were being harassed, you'd know it, and you'd act sensibly; (b) if you were being surveilled, you wouldn't know it so there's no point in thinking about it; and (c) unless you're sneaking around with sticks of dynamite hanging out of your pockets, as far as I'm concerned you're all saints. I was just imagining things again.

And finally: Hey, almost none of you!

You're on notice.

PPS -- smiths, et al: I stipulate in advance that you don't understand what I just wrote. So there's no need for anyone, let alone everyone, to rush in to fill the void I'm not leaving by stipulating to it. Having been duly sworn, I hereby attest that this is not comprehensible to you, and that it only causes confusion and fear. I therefore advise you to ignore it. It's the only sensible course of action.

That's it. I'm now going quiet. And staying there.

Thanks for hearing me out.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Trifecta » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:19 am

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:25 am

As long as no bombs go off that's net fucking gain, in my book.


The ticking time bomb scenario? Really?
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby eyepen » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:44 am

My post count may be low but i'm not a newbie to these alley ways by a long shot. Everybody here knows me even if they don't realize it. I've been through these dusty hallways a long time and I am friends with a lot of people here.

All I can say at this point is, at least ---smiths, Uncle $cam, and peartreed are making some sense. Because right now this all seems a bit psychotic. And don't tell me I don't understand it because I do understand a lot of it. It appears someone has associated some random bits of information into a pattern that exists mostly in their own mind because they are unable to incorporate constructive criticism into their nest.

At a minimum the body count is Uncle $cam, wombat, smiles, vigilant, maybe lily pat, and maybe some more. People have been banned around here lately tinkering with your sensitivities.

At a minimum I would expect to see "somebody" roll out with some personal and public apologies. Ya know? You can say what you like about me because of my low post count but I might know more about this than you do c2w. I think I see it more clearly than you do for sure.

I've always supported you c2w but you have some clean up to do, and what you have done is, well, far shy of the task.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Project Willow » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:17 am

peartreed wrote:You'll also find fewer survivors speaking out and participating on this forum now, particularly in the toxic atmosphere of suspicion, accusation and acrimony imparted in this thread. While I acknowledge that the intention was to clear the air, the opposite - a cloud of suspicion, confusion and calamity -has been the result. Good people have been hurt and left. Others angered. Most disappointed to see the devolution of what has otherwise been a fine forum, being currently gutted by gossip and rumor and unfounded fears.
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Like most forums, the regulars here have become too caught up in drinking their own bath water and swallowing it whole, based on loyalty, seniority and friendship. The self-absorbed acrimony about others has become poisonously paranoid. Fear of forum collapse is driving the owner to demented distraction, buying into the bullshit his henchmen and women have ladled on vicariously.


Even though I understand from whence you might conjure your perspective, none of that is exactly true. This forum is run and inhabited by imperfect, yet flexible and unpredictably perceptive and intelligent humans. Each of them that I know is capable of a changing and progressive point of view of this and many other scenarios and reacting in kind. Show me an environment created by perfect humans, please, or stifle the most extreme criticism for awhile out of a little bit of respect, thanks.

I also want to say again, this is just a discussion board.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:30 am

Yes, very well said peartreed.

This is the goddamn Internet. Shit is gonna happen. I'm not all intimating the word "goddamn" to exude anger, but this shit happened before the net. We all have crosses to bear.

Not that anybody's interested, but when I was like 12 or 13 a man would call me when I would get home from school. He would breathily pant and threaten me. This was before shit like caller ID and all that. It would terrify me. Because he would call right when I was expecting my dad to call to see if I'd gotten home from school alright. But my dad, working for the telephone company as he did, always said not to worry about it. Not that there wasn't something to "worry" about, but that back then, shit was much less high strung. Just a prankster, has no idea who you are, no idea where you are and that's that. He told me he would call me at "this time" and that is when I would answer. He said sometimes when you are the recipient of a call and you hang up, it may take like 10 seconds for the caller to be disconnected. This is because I would immediately try to call my dad after every call I got. But the asshole was still there on the line. This would scare the living fuck out of me.

Remember when you could pick up one phone in the house and somebody pick up another phone on the same line and you could talk to one another? I was convinced the prankster was in my house. Dad said no, very unlikely. It soothed my soul. And it always has.

We're all here folks. We can use rigor and we can use intuition. The Internet has only changed what they THINK they can do to us. They intend on making us neurotic. Again I offer up the asshole that terrorized me as a kid. This shit is possible. But again, we're all here and we know who we are. Peace to all. . .
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:32 am

My goodness me!

The Rigint Forums! What a place!

I've been here for years. And years. And years.

You've got to tread carefully round here.

There are certainly disruptors at work here.

There always have been.

I could give you my suspicions and their relative levels of certainty against some individuals, but it would be against the board rules. Furthermore I support those rules completely. Hashing these things out in public is only beneficial for the disruptors. Good luck on figuring out who they are. They use techniques like mediums. Wombaticusrex was a mark. Wombat is a fine writer and independent spirit. So is poor old UncleScam and Lilypattoo. Anyone can see that who cares to look. It's actually not at all difficult. Many have been driven away by the fact that the moderators seem to ban active forum participants rather than the disruptors. You shouldn't have picked on wombat like that. Or unclescam. It's not nice. I support them and people like them, innocent watchers and searchers. I'm not part of any crew. No-one here knows me at all, and I have no desire to know any of you either. I come here to improve my informational diversity by finding information that is not readily available elsewhere.

I try to be an anonymous nobody. Much safer that way. Youve got to be slippery in this game.

And poor old DE. He got too close to what Martin Cannon was researching. The Controllers. Funny how Mr Cannon all of a sudden refused to talk about it any more, and totally repudiated his earlier conclusions and would get very touchy indeed when pressed on the subject. DE contacted him in person I believe. DE became a bit too paranoid and was played badly by person or persons unknown. Stuff was put on the net. It wasn't an ARG. It was an OP. Be careful where you go looking.

And then there was the OSR debacle, concerning the same material.

And now. Well. There appears to have been some harrassment. I trust if someone is sending unwelcome pms that the matter can be investigated by the moderators effectively in private. No, actually, I don't trust that at all.

Someone has cast a net in this thread. There are a few disruptors working in tandem I believe. Please note that some people are allowed to make ALL MANNER OF ACCUSATIONS against innocent forum participants with nary a warning. They get away with it because of planted supporters.

I honestly think the vast majority of sincere forum goers will easily get some idea of what is going on. They are clever folk with independent minds. Look at who is making the accusations and kicking up all the fuss. This aint rocket science people.

Like I always say, use your own reason and common sense. We are being systematically lied to and played.

Oh, and one more thing, what a great post from peartreed. I am so glad you posted that. Hey guys, can you take peartreed's post and make it a sticky?

Read it and weep;

the sagacious peartreed wrote:You'll also find fewer survivors speaking out and participating on this forum now, particularly in the toxic atmosphere of suspicion, accusation and acrimony imparted in this thread. While I acknowledge that the intention was to clear the air, the opposite - a cloud of suspicion, confusion and calamity -has been the result. Good people have been hurt and left. Others angered. Most disappointed to see the devolution of what has otherwise been a fine forum, being currently gutted by gossip and rumor and unfounded fears.

I've been reading here for years but seldom participate by posting. I've also followed the other forums at issue and am familiar with most of the names being pejoratively pinned as probable puppets and as a conspiring, covert crew in paranoid panic. I can attest that most are innocent of what is being implied and attributed to them, directly and by innuendo, except for two main antagonists targeted. The two disruptors were OSR and, separately, Delgado.

Otherwise the "named" (attributed and projected by inaccurate assumptions about their identity and motives) have included LilyPat2 (Patricia Davis), Susano (11:11, Thomas Paine) and LabRat (Second Wind) as OSR's "crew". That name-calling net was also cast to include others deemed sympathetic to them and thus summararily painted/tainted with the same broad brush and so similarly condemned. Even recent regulars here got smeared by that grouping.

They are accused of destroying forums for fun and ARG frolic. Bullshit. UC continues, as does the BV, as does GLP, as does this fringe frontier too. Dreams End's forum, blog and bullhorn were victims of his own panic over ARG, separate from OSR and Cosmic Cowbell's contrived "OSR crew" conspirators. Cowbell has had this particular crop in her craw (or cud) ever since LilyPat dared submit that many alleged alien abductions were done by human hands, and she has chewed to death that perceived personal challenge to her beliefs.

Like compared2what?'s precipitating post about her own deep distrust of other regulars here based on her own personalized misinterpretations of motivations, each instigator in this forum furor has a personal hobby horse to beat upon, but rides it recklessly like a rodeo roundup to lassoo all the unusual suspects.

Add into that fear fomentation a deeply offended and outraged administrator's ally who was unfairly and personally skewered in another forum, that had a few loose ties with some unwary, enabling participants from here, and the clucking ladies suddenly have their black knight protector crusading vengefully for their kills -weilding the duel weapon of righteous revenge and Jeff's ear.

The net result is a tangled net of negativity that captures everyone's angst, and culminates in a caustic atmosphere of confusion, condemnation and chaos.

Hardly an inviting environment for welcoming inclusion to those many victims watching and waiting for an avenue of investigation and informative research.

Like most forums, the regulars here have become too caught up in drinking their own bath water and swallowing it whole, based on loyalty, seniority and friendship. The self-absorbed acrimony about others has become poisonously paranoid. Fear of forum collapse is driving the owner to demented distraction, buying into the bullshit his henchmen and women have ladled on vicariously.

The rest of us watch in somewhat stunned dismay, knowing the barricades have been built, the banners blown and the ban blade sharpened for more heads to roll. We wonder when there will be a return to tolerance, inclusivity and more rigorous intuition.


So, dear old uncle scam, smiths and oh so so many others. Now you know.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:48 am

I honestly think the vast majority of sincere forum goers will easily get some idea of what is going on. They are clever folk with independent minds. Look at who is making the accusations and kicking up all the fuss. This aint rocket science people.


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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby IanEye » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:49 am

Hammer of Los wrote:I trust if someone is sending unwelcome pms that the matter can be investigated by the moderators effectively in private.

No, actually, I don't trust that at all.


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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby yathrib » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:12 am

Once again, the Illuminatus trilogy becomes relevant. The tarbaby principle, you are attached to what you attack. This thread comes up, everybody jumps on, and suddenly we're all part of a big sticky ball of tar. Like a previous poster said, it's not rocket science.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Col. Quisp » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:57 am

thanks for the clarification, sw. Probably just coincidences.

Wanted to agree with whoever said they don't like seeing the skull imagery here. What are we, a bunch of 16 yr old boys obsessed with death?

I don't want to leave (not that I'd be missed) but the atom bomb set off by a few people here leaves quite a stink. Nice work.
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