Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby justdrew » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:57 am

'They've lost control': French claim Japan is hiding full scale of nuclear disaster as emergency teams desperately fire water cannon at reactors from long range


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366670/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-Radiation-soars-Fukushima-nuclear-plant.html#ixzz1Glq7T8nh




+ + + Russian veterans not allowed to enter Japan + + +

Japan refuses to appear despite the escalating situation in the Fukushima nuclear power plant by a team of Russian nuclear experts to enter. As SPIEGEL ONLINE produced by the Russian nuclear agency Rosatom told Russia has assembled a team of experienced veterans of the Chernobyl disaster to Japan to help in addressing the reactor accident of Fukushima. Rosatom, the team was currently in the Siberian city of Khabarovsk on Amurfluss, waiting to get into Japan for use. "These are people who know how to fight a reactor emergency", it says at Rosatom.

The exact reasons for refusal of entry are not known. Perhaps the Japanese had anxiety before, Russia to give accurate insights into their reactors. The team stand but still available, but Japan should accept the offer.
der spiegel

By 1964 there were 1.5 million mobile phone users in the US
User avatar
justdrew
 
Posts: 11966
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 7:57 pm
Location: unknown
Blog: View Blog (11)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 23 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:34 am

Perhaps the heavy cultural motivator of saving face is playing a role.

Cultural influences can be very powerful prompters for (in)action.
"Once you label me, you negate me." — Soren Kierkegaard
User avatar
23
 
Posts: 1548
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:57 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:48 am

23 wrote:Perhaps the heavy cultural motivator of saving face is playing a role.

Cultural influences can be very powerful prompters for (in)action.


This was my thought exactly....Toyota quickly comes to mind with actions similar in nature.


8bit, I felt exactly the same way. It is unreal...I really can't put into words how appreciative and hopeful I am that those people are still safe.
User avatar
WakeUpAndLive
 
Posts: 271
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:49 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:58 am

+ + + Russian veterans not allowed to enter Japan + + +


It bothers me much more that Russia has announced plans to evacuate all family members of its diplomatic staff on March 18, i.e., in two days' time:

#1542: Here is the full statement from Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs on its evacuation plans: "In connection with the situation that has developed in Japan, the decision has been taken to temporarily withdraw family members of staff at Russian establishments in Japan, including the embassy in Tokyo, general consulates, the trade mission and a number of others, from the country, provisionally on 18 March. At present, there will be no evacuation from Japan of staff at our diplomatic missions, as well as staff from other Russian state establishments."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698



Meanwhile:
EU energy chief says Japan reactor "out of control"

BRUSSELS, March 16 | Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:22am EDT

BRUSSELS, March 16 (Reuters) - Europe's energy chief warned on Wednesday of a further catastrophe at Japan's nuclear site in the coming hours but his spokeswoman said he had no specific or privileged information on the situation.

"In the coming hours there could be further catastrophic events, which could pose a threat to the lives of people on the island," Guenther Oettinger told the European Parliament.

"There is as yet no panic, but Tokyo with 35 million people, is the largest metropolis in the world," he said.

When asked, his spokeswoman said his prediction of a catastrophe in the hours ahead was not based on any specific privileged information.


He said the nuclear site was "effectively out of control

"The cooling systems did not work, and as a result we are somewhere between a disaster and a major disaster," he said.

(Reporting by Pete Harrison)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 7720110316
Last edited by MacCruiskeen on Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

TESTDEMIC ➝ "CASE"DEMIC
User avatar
MacCruiskeen
 
Posts: 10558
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:47 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:01 pm

8bitagent wrote:I felt sadness reading about "the 50" at the plants, working in the dark with little protection as a "last line of defense". Knowing they could very well die, and most likely will get very sick. It's like out of a movie, people making sacrifices. Virtually all of the people who worked to contain Chernobyl on the ground and by air ended up dying and or becoming unbelievably stricken. If the situation becomes worse, one has to wonder how much of Japan could be affected with toxic clouds.

I haven't read newer statistics, but I wonder how many people ended up dying and or suffering horrible illnesses(as well as offspring born with birth defects) in Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, etc from the Chernobyl fallout


Someone on Reddit posted this picture yesterday. I can't stop thinking about those largely anonymous heroes. I was never a trekkie but remember this scene, the speech, and the eulogy.

Image
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
User avatar
Luther Blissett
 
Posts: 4994
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:31 pm
Location: Philadelphia
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:15 pm

IAEA head says core damage at units 1-3 of Japan's quake-hit nuclear plant confirmed, situation very serious

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 7720110316
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

TESTDEMIC ➝ "CASE"DEMIC
User avatar
MacCruiskeen
 
Posts: 10558
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:47 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:18 pm

NUKE CRISIS NEARS 'POSSIBLE CATASTROPHE': Fuel Rods Exposed In Reactors 4, 5 And 6; Four Reactor Units Have Core Damage
Joe Weisenthal | Mar. 16, 2011, 11:57 AM | 373,159 | 436

UPDATE 11:55: Fuel rods in reactors 4, 5, and 6 are now exposed and four reactor units have core damage, according to the IAEA (via Bloomberg).

The EU energy minister responsible for the earlier comments claims he got his information from the EU, IAEA, Japan, and media reports.

UPDATE 11:01 Horrible headline crossing the wires via RanSquawk: EU ENERGY CHIEF SAYS POSSIBLE CATASTROPHIC EVENT IN NEXT HOURS.

He's also -- and this is via Dow Jones -- calling the situation "out of control"


http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushim ... ant-2011-3
User avatar
Jeff
Site Admin
 
Posts: 11134
Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:01 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:23 pm

#1615: IAEA chief Yukiya Amano has said the situations is "very serious". He has urged Japan to give more information, as he prepares to fly to the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

TESTDEMIC ➝ "CASE"DEMIC
User avatar
MacCruiskeen
 
Posts: 10558
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:47 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby American Dream » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:53 pm

http://counterpunch.org/stclair03162011.html

March 16, 2011
When Spent Fuel Rods Ignite
Pools of Nuclear Fire

By JEFFREY ST. CLAIR


This is an excerpt from Jeffrey St. Clair's environmental history, Born Under a Bad Sky, published by AK Press / CounterPunch Books.

Looking for weapons of mass destruction? Try the backwoods of North Carolina. The site is easy to find. You don't need infrared telemetry, informants, or a global positioning satellite. Just follow the railroad tracks deep into the heart of the triangle area to the gleaming cooling tower of the Shearon Harris nuclear plant, which rises like a concrete beacon out of the forest.

It may not look like much—a run-of-the-mill nuke—but inside the confines of the steel fence that rings the plant, resides one of the most lethal patches of ground in North America. Shearon Harris is not just a nuclear power-generating station, but a repository for highly radioactive spent fuel rods from two other nuclear plants owned by Progress Energy.

Those railroad tracks? They're for hauling nuclear waste. The spent fuel rods are carted by rail from the Brunswick and Robinson nuclear reactors to Shearon Harris, where they are stored in four densely packed pools, filled with circulating cold water to keep the waste from heating up. The pools are interconnected and enclosed within one building. That building is attached to the reactor itself. Together, they form the largest radioactive waste storage pools in the country.

All this makes Shearon Harris a very inviting target for would-be terrorists. In fact, the Department of Homeland Security has fingered Shearon Harris as one of the most vulnerable terrorist targets in the nation.

Potential atomic terrorists don't have to steal plutonium, take a crash course in physics, or concoct a bomb to manufacture a radiological nightmare scenario in the heart of the Carolinas. All they have to do is penetrate the security fence of a lightly guarded commercial reactor and find a way to ignite the pools of high-level radioactive waste. The easiest method is to disrupt the circulation of the water system that keeps the pools cool.

The resulting fire would be virtually unquenchable. Moreover, because the water system that feeds the waste pools is also connected to the Shearon Harris reactor, a pool fire could also trigger a nuclear meltdown. And so it goes.

An uncontrolled pool fire and meltdown at Shearon Harris would put more than two million residents of this rapidly growing section of North Carolina in extreme peril. A recent study by the Brookhaven Labs, not known to overstate nuclear risks, estimates that a pool fire could cause 140,000 cancers, contaminate thousands of square miles of land, and cause over $500 billion in off-site property damage.

An October 2000 report from the Sandia Labs in Albuquerque painted a grim picture of the consequences from a pool fire. The report, which was kept under wraps for two years by the NRC, found that a waste pool fire could spread radioactive debris over a 500-mile radius, including Cesium-137, a carcinogen linked to birth defects and genetic damage.

When details from this report leaked out to the press, Mike Easley, the governor of North Carolina, responded by ordering that iodine pills be distributed to neighbors of the plant. It was a touching gesture. But iodine is no defense against the ravages of Cesium-137, a whole-body irradiator.

Despite vows of beefed up security by the nuclear industry, it's not that difficult to break into most commercial nuclear plants and security at Shearon Harris is notoriously lax. In 1999, NRC records show that two Progress energy employees gained access to the reactor and the waste pools without security clearance. The energy company has hired numerous employees with questionable security backgrounds, including three guards who failed psychological exams and one with a criminal record.

The whole plant could go up without the intervention of terrorists. Basic mismanagement and design flaws in the plant could well do the trick. In fact, the NRC has estimated that there's a 1:100 chance of a pool fire happening under the rosiest scenario. And the dossier on the Shearon Harris plant is far from rosy.

In 1999, the nuclear plant experienced four emergency shutdowns, or SCRAMS. The problems led plant managers to tell the Charlotte News and Observer that they were "very disappointed," engaged in "soul searching," and unsure whether the string of malfunctions were "coincidental or a sign of deeper problems."

A few months later, in April 2000, the plant's safety monitoring system, designed to provide early warning of a serious emergency, failed. It wasn't the first time. Indeed, the emergency warning system at Shearon Harris has failed fifteen times since the plant opened in 1987.

Between January and July of 2002, Harris plant managers were forced to manually shut down the reactors four times. Then in August of that year, the plant automatically shut itself down when the outside power grid weakened.

Documents uncovered from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission reveal other problems at Shearon Harris. Inspectors have found "rubber and other foreign material" clogging the cooling lines in the plant's heat removal system. There are also internal memos from the plant reporting that many of its evacuation sirens within the ten-mile emergency zone surrounding the plant are inoperable during severe weather.

In 2002 the NRC put the plant on notice about nine unresolved safety issues detected during a fire prevention inspection by NRC investigators. The plant was hit with a "Security Level III Notice of Violation." When the NRC returned to the plant a few months later for a reinspection, it determined that the corrective actions were "not acceptable."

"Progress Energy is far above the industry average in three important areas: emergency reactor shutdowns, required inspections, and the fact that it has interconnected Harris reactor's cooling system to four high-level waste pools: the largest in the nation," says Jim Warren, executive director of North Carolina WARN.

The problems continue with a chilling regularity. In the spring of 2003 there were four emergency shut downs of the plant, including three SCRAMs over a four-day period in the middle of May. One of the incidents occurred when the reactor core failed to cool down during a refueling operation while the reactor dome was off of the plant—a potentially catastrophic series of events.

Between 1999 and 2003, there were twelve major problems requiring the shutdown of the plant. According to the NRC, the national average for commercial reactors is one shutdown per eighteen months.

The situation at Shearon Harris is made more dire by virtue of the fact that the reactor is directly tied into the cooling system for the spent fuel pools. A breakdown (or sabotage) in either system could lead to serious consequences in the other.

Congressman David Price, the North Carolina Democrat, sent the Nuclear Regulatory Commission a study of the situation by scientists at MIT and Princeton. The report pinpointed the waste pools as the biggest risk at the plant. "Spent fuel recently discharged from a reactor could heat up relatively rapidly and catch fire," wrote Bob Alvarez, a former advisor to the Department of Energy and co-author of the report. "The fire could well spread to older fuel. The long-term land contamination consequences of such an event could be significantly worse than Chernobyl."

The study recommended that the spent fuel pools be replaced with low-density, open frame racks and that the older waste assemblages be placed in hardened, above-ground storage units. The change could be done relatively cheaply, costing the energy giant about $5 million a year—less than the $6.6 million annual bonus for Progress CEO Warren Cavanaugh.

But Progress scoffed at the idea and recruited the help of NRC Commissioner Edward McGaffigan to smear the MIT/Princeton report. In an internal memo, McGaffigan instructed NRC staffers to produce "a hard-hitting critique that sort of undermines the study deeply."

McGaffigan is a veteran cold-warrior and a nuclear zealot, who has worked for both Democrats and Republicans. A veteran of the National Security Council in the Reagan administration, McGaffigan took a special interest in promoting nuclear plants to US client states. He left the White House to serve as the chief policy aide on energy and defense issues for Senator Jeff Bingaman, the Democrat from New Mexico. In 1996, President Clinton appointed him to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, where he became a tireless proponent of nuclear power on the ludicrous grounds that it will slow the onslaught of global warming. McGaffigan has also consistently dismissed the risks associated with the transport and storage of nuclear waste. Just prior to leaving office, Clinton reappointed him to another full term in 2000.

McGaffigan's meddling outraged many anti-nuke activists. "There's a huge credibility in the federal regulatory agencies," said Lewis Pitts, an environmental attorney in North Carolina. "After 9/11, the nuclear industry faked a report to convince the public that an airplane hitting a nuke plant is nothing to worry about and now the NRC has directed the production of a bogus study to deny decades of science on the perils of pool fires."

If the worst happens, the blame will reside in Washington, which has permitted the Shearon Harris facility to become a nuclear time bomb. The atomic clock is ticking.



Jeffrey St. Clair is the author of Been Brown So Long It Looked Like Green to Me: the Politics of Nature and Grand Theft Pentagon. His newest book, Born Under a Bad Sky, is published by AK Press / CounterPunch books. He can be reached at: sitka@comcast.net.
"If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything."
-Malcolm X
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:57 pm

Günther Oettinger's remarks sound even less reassuring in the original German. From the news ticker of Germany's First Programme:

16.03.2011 16:37 Uhr
Oettinger: Reaktor faktisch außer Kontrolle

[...]

„Man muss befürchten, dass das Ganze in Gottes Hand ist und dass sich in den nächsten Stunden weitere katastrophale Entwicklungen ergeben können.“

http://www.tagesschau.de/nachrichtenticker/


English:

Oettinger: Reactor to all intents and purposes out of control

"It has to be feared that the whole thing is in God's hands, and that further catastrophic developments could take place in the next few hours."


Oettinger made this statement at a hearing at the EU parliament. Dow Jones reports that the financial markets reacted immediately, with share prices falling by at least 1%.

The EU's energy commissioner is an experienced public speaker. He must have been very conscious that his every word would be weighed, not least by the sacred market, so it's surely significant that he didn't hesitate to use this kind of language.
"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

TESTDEMIC ➝ "CASE"DEMIC
User avatar
MacCruiskeen
 
Posts: 10558
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:47 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby justdrew » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:32 pm

FYI - the entire mainstream media newscycle is about 24 hours behind reality on this.
By 1964 there were 1.5 million mobile phone users in the US
User avatar
justdrew
 
Posts: 11966
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 7:57 pm
Location: unknown
Blog: View Blog (11)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:35 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:The EU's energy commissioner is an experienced public speaker. He must have been very conscious that his every word would be weighed, not least by the sacred market, so it's surely significant that he didn't hesitate to use this kind of language.



I just saw on CNBC that he has now backpedaled from that remark. :roll:

It's been obvious since day one that he was exactly right. This thing has been completely out of control since the Tsunami and has been in "God's hands".

Wish they'd all just admit it.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Nordic
 
Posts: 14230
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:36 am
Location: California USA
Blog: View Blog (6)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby semper occultus » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:24 pm

Those fears are stoking a mass exodus from the country, with wealthy foreign experts engaged in a scramble to book private jets.
Charter companies reported charging as much as $160,000 for a flight to Tokyo. with one saying it had a request from 14 bankers who 'did not care about price.'


nice to know the bail-out money is going to a worthy cause

www.dailymail.co.uk
User avatar
semper occultus
 
Posts: 2974
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:01 pm
Location: London,England
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:25 pm

justdrew wrote:FYI - the entire mainstream media newscycle is about 24 hours behind reality on this.



How far are you from Fukushima? Luv ya buddy, stay safe...





:angelwings: {{{{{{{justdrew}}}}}}} :angelwings:




.
User avatar
eyeno
 
Posts: 1878
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:22 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:30 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:Günther Oettinger's remarks sound even less reassuring in the original German. From the news ticker of Germany's First Programme:

16.03.2011 16:37 Uhr
Oettinger: Reaktor faktisch außer Kontrolle

[...]

„Man muss befürchten, dass das Ganze in Gottes Hand ist und dass sich in den nächsten Stunden weitere katastrophale Entwicklungen ergeben können.“

http://www.tagesschau.de/nachrichtenticker/


English:

Oettinger: Reactor to all intents and purposes out of control

"It has to be feared that the whole thing is in God's hands, and that further catastrophic developments could take place in the next few hours."


Oettinger made this statement at a hearing at the EU parliament. Dow Jones reports that the financial markets reacted immediately, with share prices falling by at least 1%.

The EU's energy commissioner is an experienced public speaker. He must have been very conscious that his every word would be weighed, not least by the sacred market, so it's surely significant that he didn't hesitate to use this kind of language.



I am not familiar with the main news sites out of the U.S. If people would post some of the main news sites out of the U.S. I would appreciate it. Thanks. :thumbsup
User avatar
eyeno
 
Posts: 1878
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:22 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests