The Pedophile File

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I've pulled a recent bank reference from the Louis Freeh thread into this thread. By adding this post, I'm getting over my head with topics I am able to discuss, because I haven't the background. Although, I'm learning.

Wrt to RI's current research into the Sandusky case, preliminary, undocumented suppositions could include alleged activities documented here as human trafficking, or knowledge of alleged activities, between: college and professional football and basketball; charities, foundations, child protective agencies; jurisprudence; the Catholic Church (or the Vatican), banks and other corporations. For starters.
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FYI - MBNA in the early 90s opened a large corporate office in State College.

Drew, could you provide a link, please? Thanks.

Look what I found. MBNA history on its wiki page.

MBNA was founded in 1982 by a group of MNC Financial (regional bank holding company headquartered in Baltimore, Maryland) executives headed by Charles Cawley. Its first office was housed in a converted A&P supermarket in Ogletown, Delaware. Until his death, Cleveland Browns owner Al Lerner served as Chairman of the Board.

In 1995, MBNA moved its headquarters from a suburban location to Rodney Square in downtown Wilmington, Delaware. This investment was credited with help to revive Wilmington's downtown real estate market.

I'm just saying that from memory, but here...
http://www.google.com/search?q=MBNA+"state+college"

Looks like they closed it in 2010 (mostly it was apparently a call-center for credit card sales and possibly services... [REFER.]

Thanks Drew.

May RI assume for the moment, in the State College MBNA office, among the possible services might have included collections services as noted on MBNA's wiki page; section titled Controversies? The point is to follow the money, which in the beginning seems an enormous task.

MBNA was the top contributor to George W. Bush's 2000 Presidential Campaign.[citation needed]

MBNA was one of the companies mentioned on a 2004 Frontline WGBH Boston PBS special about unfair business practices by credit card companies. Some practices that Frontline claimed MBNA has engaged in included doubling or tripling of interest rates, shifting billing due dates/payment cycles monthly, and raising rates for customers whose payments were a day or two late. MBNA has been found to be one of the leading implementors of Rate-Jacking.[citation needed] For further information and links, see Credit Cards.

In Ireland, MBNA was accused of calling consumers up to eight times a day who are behind in making payments, which prompted the state debt advisory service to publicly state that harassment is outlawed. Affected people were advised to complain to the relevant authorities. The company in December 2009 admitted overcharging 500,000 Irish consumers up to €18 million. ($24,101,096.0643)

In the UK, MBNA has come under fire for its interpretation of rules under which credit card providers must allocate payments from the highest balance to the lowest, one consumer site called MBNA's interpretation of these rules a "disingenuous money-making tactic".

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REFER RI THREADS. Sandusky Child Rape Research Questions Resource | Louis Freeh Penn State Pedo Investigator | The Pedophile File

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The probability has been pointed out to me that the primary purpose of dispersing the charity would be the destruction of records.

You may be right about that, although I guess my question would then be: Why would they need to shut the place down in order to destroy/"lose" records? And that's a real question, btw. Because I don't know why there shouldn't be a reason to do that. I just can't think of a way to infer one. I hate when that happens. So. Suggestions?

Well, it's a theory that was suggested to me and not necessarily my own, but basically they are legally obligated to retain data if there is an anticipation of litigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery
The theory is that there may be a legal difference in what data must be retained if they are dispersed. Any lawyers around who can say?

Absent any -- and with the same proviso wrt my ignorance as earlier -- I've got to say it doesn't seem very likely to me that the law would just leave such a glaring loophole open. But definitely maybe, I guess. Because I really don't know. There's certainly the appearance that something is really, really wrong there, though. I mean: "Apart from there being no very ready explanation that I can think of for the apparent failure of every single person who ever worked closely with Sandusky or his victims at The Second Mile to notice that the slightest little thing was awry, unless they were conspiring to run a pedophile ring out of the joint." Although there's the appearance of something having been really, really wrong there on that score, too, needless to say.

Because it's pretty hard to imagine what piece of missing information could possibly resolve that one, isn't it? That doesn't necessarily mean all that much when there's so little information publicly available, obvs. But at least for the moment, it does seem to me like kind of an exceptionally inexplicable thing. I can see how the Penn State football program and the Sandusky household might both loosely meet enough of the criteria for "the kind of closed community in which predators can operate under cover of general denial, backstopped by a culture of secrecy" for some form of complicity that fell short of active participation to at least be a conceivable option.

But I just have no idea wtf was going on at that charity. The mind boggles, though not for the first time and probably not for the last either.

[abel danger]

From the historical economic forensic archives of the Abel Danger Global Virtual Network re Sam Cam's decoyed pedophiles; 'wag the dog' chat room

City and Guilds Team of Decoy Pedophiles - Secret, ‘Wag the Dog’ Chat Room in WTC#7 - Broadcasted Matrix 5 Propaganda - Massive Attack - 9/11

Thank you.

[seemslikeadream]

Audio: Wife of Syracuse assistant Bernie Fine says she knew 'everything'

By Nicole Auerbach, USA TODAY
Updated 3h 10m ago

Slowly, pieces of the Bernie Fine puzzle seem to be coming together.

First, Bobby Davis and Mike Lang alleged that the longtime Syracuse assistant coach sexually abused them when they were children.

Now, an audio tape of a recorded phone call from 2002 has surfaced, and in it, Fine's wife, Laurie, says she has knowledge of Davis and Fine's sexual relationship. This comes on the heels of news that a third man has told Syracuse police that he was sexually abused by Fine -- also in 2002.

Sunday morning, ESPN's Outside the Lines released the audio tape that Davis provided. The phone conversation on the tape took place between Davis and Laurie Fine in 2002, Davis said.

"I know everything that went on, you know," Laurie Fine said on the tape. "I know everything that went on with him ... Bernie has issues, maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues.

"Bernie is also in denial. I think that he did the things he did, but he's somehow through his own mental telepathy has erased them out of his mind."

On the tape, when Davis asked if he was the only one allegedly molested by Fine, Laurie Fine said "there might be others." The conversation between Davis and Laurie Fine is also very explicit at times.

ESPN hired a voice-recognition expert to analyze the audio tape, and the expert said the voice on the tape matches the voice of Laurie Fine.

Fine, 65, who is in his 35th year as an assistant coach at SU, issued a statement Nov. 18 denying Davis's and Lang's accusations. Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim has been very vocal in his support of Fine and has said publicly he believes Davis and Lang are lying.

Another victim?

A third man told police Wednesday that Syracuse associate head basketball coach Bernie Fine sexually abused him as a child, The Post-Standard reported Sunday.

The accuser is Zach Tomaselli, 23, of Lewiston, Maine, who told Syracuse police that Fine molested him in 2002 in a Pittsburgh hotel room, according to The Post-Standard. Tomaselli was 13 years old at the time of the alleged abuse.

Two Syracuse detectives interviewed Tomaselli for more than four hours Wednesday afternoon in Albany, Tomaselli told the newspaper. He also said he signed a police affidavit Wednesday. Rose Ryan, a friend of Tomaselli's, told The Post-Standard she gave police a signed statement that said Tomaselli told her two years ago in her apartment that Fine sexually abused him in 2002.

Tomaselli, who is facing sexual assault charges in Maine involving a 14-year-old boy, said nobody witnessed the alleged abuse in 2002. Tomaselli's father, Fred, said his son was lying and denied ever meeting Fine or letting his son go to Pittsburgh in 2002. Zach Tomaselli said he and his father have been estranged for years.

Two days after Zach Tomaselli spoke to police, a dozen U.S. Secret Service agents, Syracuse police and state police officers searched Fine's home for seven hours Friday and hauled away three file cabinets.

The search occurred eight days after Davis and Lang alleged that Fine sexually abused them when they were children.

The allegations by Davis and Lang would be too old to be prosecuted because of the statute of limitations. But the alleged abuse of Tomaselli in 2002, if true, might be prosecutable in federal courts, according to The Post-Standard.

Specifically,

Although most federal crimes carry a five-year statute of limitations, some run longer, including sexual or physical abuse or kidnapping of a child under 18 years old. Someone can be charged with those offenses within 10 years of the crime.

For such a crime to fall under federal jurisdiction, there would have to be an act of crossing state lines or the use of interstate commerce, according to Edward Z. Menkin, a Syracuse criminal defense lawyer who practices in federal court. The interstate conduct could include the use of the Internet in the commission of the crime, he said.

If an adult arranged for a child to be transported across state lines for the purpose of sex, that would also be sufficient basis for federal agents and prosecutors to get involved, Menkin said.

The story also includes more details about the sexual assault charges against Tomaselli, which include gross sexual assault, tampering with a victim, two counts of unlawful sexual contact, five counts of visual sexual aggression against a child and unlawful sexual touching. Tomaselli has pleaded not guilty.

Tomaselli said he has not asked Syracuse police or federal authorities for help getting the criminal charges against him dismissed in Maine.

Syracuse fires assistant coach in wake of abuse allegations

7:00 p.m. CST, November 27, 2011
SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Syracuse University associate head basketball coach Bernie Fine was fired Sunday in the wake of an investigation of child molestation allegations against him.

"At the direction of Chancellor Cantor, Bernie Fine's employment with Syracuse University has been terminated, effective immediately," Kevin Quinn, the school's senior vice president for public affairs, said in a statement.

The 65-year-old Fine was in his 36th season at his alma mater. He had the longest active streak of consecutive seasons at one school among assistant coaches in Division I.

Fine's firing comes in the wake of new revelations Sunday, including a third accuser. Fine had been placed on paid administrative leave when the accusations were first made public.

Two former Syracuse ball boys were the first to accuse Fine, who has called the allegations "patently false."

Zach Tomaselli, 23, of Lewiston, Maine, said Sunday that he told police that Fine molested him in 2002 in a Pittsburgh hotel room. He said Fine touched him "multiple" times in that one incident.

Tomaselli, who faces sexual assault charges in Maine involving a 14-year-old boy, said during a telephone interview with The Associated Press that he signed an affidavit accusing Fine following a meeting with Syracuse police last week in Albany.

Tomaselli's father, meanwhile, maintains his son is lying.

Two former Syracuse ball boys were the first to accuse Fine, who has called the allegations "patently false."

Bobby Davis, now 39, told ESPN that Fine molested him beginning in 1984 and that the sexual contact continued until he was around 27. A ball boy for six years, Davis told ESPN that the abuse occurred at Fine's home, at Syracuse basketball facilities and on team road trips, including the 1987 Final Four.

Davis' stepbrother, Mike Lang, 45, who also was a ball boy, told ESPN that Fine began molesting him while he was in fifth or sixth grade.

On Sunday, ESPN also played an audiotape, obtained and recorded by Davis, of an October 2002 telephone conversation between him and Bernie Fine's wife, Laurie.

Davis told ESPN he made the recording, which also has been given to Syracuse police, without her knowledge because he knew he needed proof for the police to believe his accusations. ESPN said it hired a voice recognition expert to verify the voice on the tape and the network said it was determined to be that of Laurie Fine.

During the call to the woman, Davis repeatedly asks her what she knew about the alleged molestation.

"Do you think I'm the only one that he's ever done that to?" Davis asked.

"No ... I think there might have been others but it was geared to ... there was something about you," the woman on the tape said.

On the tape, she also says she knew "everything that went on."

"Bernie has issues, maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues. ... And you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted ... "

During his long career with Syracuse, Fine tutored the likes of Derrick Coleman, LeRon Ellis and John Wallace in his role of working with post players. Coleman was the top pick in the 1990 NBA draft, Ellis was the Clippers' 22nd overall choice in 1991, and Wallace was picked 18th in 1996 by the New York Knicks.

Boeheim and Fine met at Syracuse University in 1963, when Fine was student manager of the basketball team. Fine graduated in 1967 with a degree in personal and industrial relations and went into business for himself.

In 1970, Fine was named basketball and football coach at Lincoln Junior High in Syracuse and went to Henninger High School the next year as the junior varsity basketball coach. He became varsity basketball coach in 1975. When Boeheim was chosen to succeed Roy Danforth at Syracuse in 1976 Boeheim offered Fine a job as an assistant.

Fine was an integral part of the staff that guided Syracuse to the national championship in 2003. During his tenure the Orange also made two other appearances in the NCAA title game, losing in 1987 to Indiana and in 1996 to Kentucky.

Fine also guided the U.S. Maccabiah team to a silver medal at the 1993 World Maccabiah Games in Israel and has served as director of a successful basketball camp in the Northeast.

Fine, who always aspired to be a college head coach, got his chance when he substituted for Boeheim in 2001 when Boeheim missed the only two games of his coaching career following treatment for an enlarged prostate.

Syracuse has 40 straight winning seasons, the longest active streak in Division I, and Boeheim has 33 20-win seasons, also tops in Division I.

On Friday, federal authorities carried out a search at his Fine's suburban Syracuse home but declined to comment on what they were looking for.

New York State Police spokesman Jack Keller said troopers were called to assist the U.S. attorney's office at the search. At least six police vehicles were parked on the street during the search, which lasted around nine hours. Officers carted away three file cabinets and a computer for further examination.

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University of Utah professor due in East Boston court to face child porn charges
11/28/2011 8:22 AM

By Globe Staff

A University of Utah professor is due in an East Boston courtroom today, charged with viewing child pornography on his laptop while flying from Salt Lake City to Boston.

Grant D. Smith, 47, of Cottonwood Heights, was apprehended after a passenger seated behind his first class seat on the Delta flight took a picture of what he was doing and sent an email to a relative in Arizona that said to contact police, according to State Police spokesman David Procopio.

State Police troopers met his flight on Saturday, searched his laptop and allegedly discovered “disturbing images of child pornography,” Procopio said.

Smith is a professor of material science and engineering and an adjunct professor of chemical engineering at the University of Utah. He was placed on administrative leave by the university following his arrest.

“Professor Smith deserves a full and fair investigation into this issue,” the university said in the statement, which was released on Sunday. “The University of Utah, however, has no tolerance for the viewing or possessing of child pornography by any of its employees, regardless of where it occurs.

The school’s statement continued, “as a result, if the allegations against Professor Smith are found to be true, the University will immediately seek Professor Smith’s dismissal.”

Procopio said the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, which is run by the State Police and specializes in investigation of online sexual exploitation and trafficking of children, has joined the investigation.

Smith has been held on $15,000 cash bail since his arrest.

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seemslikeadream,

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… LeRoy S. Zimmerman, a state Republican heavyweight and a political ally of Gov. Corbett, now heads the Hershey Trust Co. board. Zimmerman is a former two-term attorney general, the first of an unbroken string of elected Republican attorneys general in Pennsylvania who have regulated the Hershey charity since the early 1980s.

Zimmerman joined the charity in 2002 with the support of then-Attorney General Mike Fisher and has earned $1.9 million in compensation through director fees on Hershey-related boards.… [REFER.]

LeRoy Zimmerman, chairman of Hershey Trust Co., announces retirement
— Pennlive.com | Nov 28, 2011
— by NICK MALAWSKEY, The Patriot-News

LeRoy Zimmerman, the former Pennsylvania attorney general and head of the powerful Hershey Trust Co. announced today he plans to retire from his work at the Hershey interests at the end of this year.

Zimmerman serves as the board chairman for the Milton Hershey School and Hershey Trust Company.

The board of the trust company oversees the Milton Hershey School Trust, a $7.5 billion endowment that includes ownership of the majority of the voting shares of The Hershey Co. and outright ownership of Hershey Entertainment & Resorts Co., which operates Hersheypark and other properties.

Trust company board members also act as the directors of the Milton Hershey School, a residential facility for disadvantaged youths.

The interlocking boards were designed by Milton Hershey in his deed of trust for the sole purpose of providing income in perpetuity for the operation of the Milton Hershey School.

In February Zimmerman said that he would not stand for re-election to The Hershey Co.’s board of directors. Zimmerman has been a director of The Hershey Company since 2007.

He also said he will not seek re-election to the boards of the Hershey Entertainment & Resorts Co. and the M.S. Hershey Foundation.

His terms on those boards end on Dec. 31.

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Penn State under review by U.S. Department of Education over handling of Jerry Sandusky allegations
— Pennlive.com | Nov 28, 2011
— The Patriot-News; more links in original

The U.S. Department of Education has told Penn State University[=pdf] it would send representatives to the University Park campus beginning today to investigate whether the university failed to comply with the Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act in response to allegations of sex offenses by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.

"We are making every effort to provide the review team with immediate access to all requested records and information sources pertaining to all aspects of Clery Act compliance," Penn State President Rodney Erickson said about the review, according to the school's website. "The notification letter included a long list of information the committee needs, and we have been busy gathering as much of that information in advance of their visit as possible."

Under the Clery Act, colleges and universities are required to disclose the number of criminal offenses on campus that are reported each year. In addition, in certain cases, the institution must issue a timely warning if a reported crime represents a threat to the campus community, according to the Department of Education.

According to PSU, members of the review team will be interviewing those with responsibilities involving campus security, policing, judicial affairs, residence life, student affairs, athletics, Greek letter organizations and more.

The federal law is named for Jeanne Clery, a 19-year-old Lehigh University freshman who was raped and murdered by another student in her campus residence hall in 1986.

[Nordic]

I just have to say this whole disgusting mess, all of them together, is giving me serious reservations about ever putting my son into any kind of organized sports.

Ugh.

I was in the Boy Scouts as a kid, and there was some weird shit going down there, too. No Boy Scouts for my son, either, never even really thought about it, just ever since then I've known, my mind treats it as a given.

But I was never into organized sports myself, except for track and cross country, where our coach was gay, but as far as I could tell not a pedophile.

Ugh again.

[Luther Blissett]

I have some fears regarding Pennsylvania organizations related to the larger alleged organized abuse ring, especially given my gut feeling regarding the recent A Better Chance news.

I've been trying to trace connections between two secretive but prominent groups in Bucks County for years. One of them has carried allegations of organized abuse and coverup since its foundation - the segregationist IBF Bethel Baptist church - and the other is the local Rosicrucian Order, Beverly Hall, which runs two new age healing fronts in the area, Clymer Healing Center and Woodlands Healing and Research Center. The latter boasts highly prominent local figures in their membership, and has been a driving force in Bucks County society since its inception. The names of the founding members adorn placenames all over eastern Pennsylvania, and the families that carry these names are treated like local royalty. Bucks County is a relatively wealthy place and the people descended from the founders, namely the Clymers, Poesneckers, Krachts, Dowds, and Browns, are particularly prominent. For instance, Paul Clymer is the Representative for the 145th district in the area. The society operates a 77-acre campus in Bucks County replete with esoteric stone pyramids, reflecting pools and monuments. I don't need to reiterate any in-depth history of shady dealings within Rosicrucianism or its affiliated groups here, but local legends of bizarre rituals, practices, kidnappings and abuse abound.

Admittedly roundabout criticism of the Beverly Hall Healing Centers can be found here, but it serves as a good intro into their MO regardless.

The Bethel Baptist church and school are essentially the only other entities out in this large swath of woods besides the Rosicrucian campus and the healing fronts. From the same website featuring a discussion of Clymer and Woodlands is a mild one for the churcht. Many of the criticisms (beating, sexual humiliation, denouncement of outside forces / perceived threats, etc) are very familiar to me. Much worse, however, is this thread:

How can you defend a church that covers up physical, mental, and sexual abuse of women and children? AS the OP stated about Catholics; at least there it's relegated to just the clergy, but with these people, everyone is in on it. They're brainwashed to believe that it's the victim's fault!

They let a stepfather and a family friend stay on in the church even though they committed child rape.
That pastor and his wife should also do jail time for the cover up.

I knew both a boy and a girl that were molested that were the same age as me that I went to both church and school with. The boy was around 5-7 and the girl was molested for most of her childhood years. Both the pedophiles responsible for the abuse went to the same church. Neither were ever prosecuted. I know one moved to another state and started a new life. I hate child abusers with a passion.

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Bethel Baptist is the place that my ex-wife and her sisters and brother attended through their childhood. When my ex's elder sister complained of rape by their father, the church officials branded her insane to the rest of the congregation and was sent to a mental hospital (Eugenia?) in Erie, PA (though the only Eugenia is in Lafayette Hill, PA), for years. Their older brother has used the words "cover-up" to describe the actions of the church leaders, who were essentially the community leaders. My ex, who was 8 years younger, was also raped, but she has dissociative amnesia and cannot recall anything before the age of 12. The youngest sister was also sent to a mental hospital for a number of years in her late adolescence and early teens. From the family culture, I know that these hospitals (or hospital) were either involved in the cover up of abuse because they never acknowledged that it occurred to any of the sisters, or they were heavy into false memory syndrome. My ex and I both believe that she avoided persecution in part because of the amnesia. She has noted to me that the church leaders, family, and sons were all very "creepy" - the grandsons were allegedly hypersexual as children and she was once told that she reported that her younger sister performed oral sex on one of the boys under a cafeteria table in front of everyone in the third grade, though she has no memory of this.
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The same church is mentioned in allegations of an abuse resolution here - The Director of the American Council of Christian Churches, derided here for not being serious enough about Hephzibah House abuse, was given an award by the church.

This blog: http://dearjesisismynamereallydamnkid.wordpress.com/ is filled with pretty direct implications towards the leadership at Bethel Baptist, involving kidnapping and sexual abuse.

I've been trying to track down the names and identities of the church leaders and their families and to see if I can connect them in any way to the Fraternitas Rosae Crucis in any way, but that roster is difficult to come by and at first glance would seemingly be at odds with Bethel Baptist's fundamentalism, but according to this curious article from 1990 it's pretty obvious that the fraternity membership is largely Christian. RI seems to be privy enough to secret beliefs and practices of fascist fundamentalists. I believe that given the statuses both sets of leadership enjoy within the community in and around rural Bucks County, there is significant overlap. I have a strong hunch that Dr. Richard A. Harris, the founder of Bethel Baptist, who MC'ed national Baptist leadership conferences and sat on boards of various national groups, was affiliated with the fraternity. Any connection that might arise might not necessarily count against either organization, but it would be a strike against them.

I have some deeper, darker fears that abuse at the church went beyond abuse and could have entered into this same "recruitment" realm that Sandusky is now being threatened with. My ex-wife just remembered that she and her siblings were left to Allan, one of Richard Harris's sons, in her parents' will if something were to ever happen to them. The strange thing is that this "Al" was not a close family friend. Some others I have a difficult time expressing in a way that makes sense.

I just wanted to put these thoughts down somewhere so that I could come back to them at some point, and I'm going to continue investigating Independent Baptist Fundamentalism youth organizations and rosae crucis new age fronts.

[elfismiles]

"How Well Did Herman Cain Know Lawrence King?"

Does Herman Cain Have A $40 Million Problem? One That Could, As They Say, Come Out?
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So what happened to the $40 million that King ripped off from the Franklin Federal Credit Union? It's not very clear, but the year Franklin was raided, a small group of restaurant managers and a future black Republican presidential candidate bought a chain of mafia-themed pizza joints from Pilsbury for $40 million.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/201 ... llion.html

[sunny]

"How Well Did Herman Cain Know Lawrence King?"

Excellent question.

[Perelandra]

The probability has been pointed out to me that the primary purpose of dispersing the charity would be the destruction of records.

You may be right about that, although I guess my question would then be: Why would they need to shut the place down in order to destroy/"lose" records? And that's a real question, btw. Because I don't know why there shouldn't be a reason to do that. I just can't think of a way to infer one. I hate when that happens. So. Suggestions?

Well, it's a theory that was suggested to me and not necessarily my own, but basically they are legally obligated to retain data if there is an anticipation of litigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery
The theory is that there may be a legal difference in what data must be retained if they are dispersed. Any lawyers around who can say?

Absent any -- and with the same proviso wrt my ignorance as earlier -- I've got to say it doesn't seem very likely to me that the law would just leave such a glaring loophole open.

I received an answer to our questions and technically, you're right. Sorry to derail with speculation.

If the charity quickly goes out of business and can feign that they did NOT have a reasonable expectation of impending litigation (“we thought Sandusky would get sued – not us”) they might be able to get away with destroying documents (it’s called “spoliation”). However, there isn’t a court in the country that wouldn’t call them on it even if the letter of the law can be manipulated that way.

But I just have no idea wtf was going on at that charity. The mind boggles, though not for the first time and probably not for the last either.

I agree and I suppose we'll know more in time, sadly.

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just have to say this whole disgusting mess, all of them together, is giving me serious reservations about ever putting my son into any kind of organized sports.

Nordic,

i personally coached children and young adults for over a decade. My sport was wrestling. I spent several occasions at Penn State for wrestling camps so this story hit me harder than most.

This all gives me a bad taste in my mouth (sorry for inadvertent pun) because I know there is good in sports and integrity in many coaches. Same with ministries, I believe same realities ensue.

Boy Scouts...I've just begun to hear the stories.

There are no answers greater than your devotion to your children, family, and for some, to God. Understand we are taught to be entertained by their consumerism at the expense of our families. So we must return to making our family the most valuable asset in our lives via our actions, not thoughts. Remember, we've been brainwashed to perceive how a family should be via the media. But family is quite simple...it's how we love each and every day we are with them.

The best advice I can give...throw your t.v. out the window. Interact and speak with your family daily with a meaningful purpose besides passing another moment. Every day is a blessing to what we do have and it should be savored as such. Not that you don't. But if one were to ask my advice, knowing what I do, I'd say this to them. "Love what is before you and remain either angry or humble to the circumstances in your reality. Act accordingly but with force."

Regarding the message on Cain above, Abel Danger has covered his and wife's digressions. http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/10/videoguard-encrypted-images-greek-life.html

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ESPN "verified" Laurie Fine voice in 2011. Didnt in 2003. Why? They wont tell us. Schwarz: 'We didnt know what to do.'

Wife of Bernie Fine acknowledges his sexual abuse of a child, said she thinks there are more victims. ESPN
does nothing

Only issue w/ ESPN: Getting tape to cops in 2003. That's it. Not complicated. Laurie Fine said on tape she thought there were more victims.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/espn-worl ... dren-29913

ESPN: The Worldwide Leader In Sexual Depravity - Media Meltdowns - Deadspin