Fuck Obama

[Jeff]

Uncalled for, ninakat.

[Alaya]

Uncalled for, ninakat.

i was going to say something much um...a hellofva lot harsher than what ninacat said

so i lucked out not being here, i guess

frankly, Jeff, i find CCs animation more offensive than what nina said

maybe The Lounge is the place for people have strong opinons about certain topics here??

[MidWorld]

Well, talk about depressing. Obama is just a tool to hand everything over to Repugs. God help us all, will Palin actually be calling some shots.

Wow.

America will never understand how to achieve anything.

BTW.... I never see USA's debt to China and how it correlates to the war in Afghanistan. As far as I know Obama has not once said anything about our debt to China.

meh, It really is just depressing.

Yeah, Fuck Obama and all his Blue dog cronies.

[Sweejak]

I confess that I'm losing my religion at this point.

Don't take this personally because I don't know you or your reasoning and thoughts, but the slow opposition from those Obama betrayed is responsible for making the likes of FOX and other sites which were guilty under Bush 'respectable' now. Their hypocrisy rules them out as genuine, but often they have the goods.

I think the same thing for Climategate coverage.

It's been said elsewhere that only Obama or a Democrat could have resurrected the Republicans, and aside from some examples to the contrary, I think it's true.

Let's see if the former W drones flock to Obama now that Rove has endorsed his Afghan tragedy.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Uncalled for, ninakat.

i was going to say something much um...a hellofva lot harsher than what ninacat said

so i lucked out not being here, i guess

frankly, Jeff, i find CCs animation more offensive than what nina said

maybe The Lounge is the place for people have strong opinons about certain topics here??

Apologies if you found the animation offensive Alaya. I was simply trying to use a metaphor that would be understood in a thread with "Fuck" (generally understood to imply rape) in the title.

I would propose the creation of a sub-forum whereby those who feel the need to use such boorish terms are free to do so. We could call it the "Fuck Somebody" forum. Then I could fulfill my dream of creating my "Fuck People who use "Fuck" in thread titles" thread without feeling that I've lowered myself to the same level...a least for a moment.

Carry on fucking...

[freemason9]

I confess that I'm losing my religion at this point.

Don't take this personally because I don't know you or your reasoning and thoughts, but the slow opposition from those Obama betrayed is responsible for making the likes of FOX and other sites which were guilty under Bush 'respectable' now. Their hypocrisy rules them out as genuine, but often they have the goods.

I think the same thing for Climategate coverage.

It's been said elsewhere that only Obama or a Democrat could have resurrected the Republicans, and aside from some examples to the contrary, I think it's true.

Let's see if the former W drones flock to Obama now that Rove has endorsed his Afghan tragedy.

I don't take it personally at all, sweejak, and I always understood the anger that some people had regarding Obama's softness on pushing vital issues. But I kept this in the back of my mind:

Obama isn't really doing anything differently than his campaign suggested. Regarding Afghanistan, he's doing exactly as he said--sending more troops there. He said all along he would do that. He also stated clearly that he was against a single-payer option on health reform.

I think we (the ones that elected him) expected more of the first black president, though. I think we believed that he was merely "laying low" during the campaign so that he could get elected; I think we expected him to go wildly progressive once in office. That obviously hasn't happened.

To be sure, it's still early. He had to hit the road running, particularly with the alarming financial collapse that began last year. I think some of the people he appointed were insulting to Americans, but it may be that he needed some experience and knowledge regarding the details of it. I don't know, now I'm making excuses I suppose.

But, dammit, we worked our asses off to get him elected. If this doesn't work out, what the hell will? Must we wait until the level of uninsured Americans reaches 55% before we can enact meaningful health care legislation? Must we wait until American wages plummet another 25% before we begin to see the essential necessity of labor unions?

Must we watch as the upper 1% of American wealth continue to rape the productive work force?

Dammit, Obama. Dammit.

[RocketMan]

Uncalled for, ninakat.

What I find uncalled for is being called, by implication, a "circle jerker", and in a high-handed, condescending manner at that.

I think saying "FUCK OBAMA" is not boorish, but rather a very succinct way of cutting through the BULLSHIT (look, ma, I'm upping the "boorish" ante) still miraculously being propagated about the ongoing criminality of successive U.S. administrations.

And by the way, I also object to the use of masturbation, a very worthwhile activity, as a negative metaphor!!!

[Nordic]

Obama isn't really doing anything differently than his campaign suggested. Regarding Afghanistan, he's doing exactly as he said--sending more troops there. He said all along he would do that. He also stated clearly that he was against a single-payer option on health reform.

You're joking. Right?

Here are 7 lies in under 2 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2o ... r_embedded

[beeline]

"Fuck" [is] (generally understood to imply rape) in the title.

It is? Because I have thoroughly researched the derivation of the English word 'fuck,' and I've never read that 'fuck' is equivalent to 'rape.' 'Fuck' comes direclty to the English language from the German word 'ficken,' which has the same meaning, and indirectly from the Latin word 'pug-' meaning 'to strike or penetrate,' as in the English word 'pugilist.'

On edit: However, there are certainly negative connotations, depending on the usage. 'Fucking,' to me, is the physical act, sans emotions. 'Fuck Obama' I translate as: Obama is a liar and worthy of dismissal. 'I got fucked over' I translate as 'I have been cheated and/or lied to.' Et cetera ad infinitum.

[Nordic]

"Fuck" [is] (generally understood to imply rape) in the title.

It is? Because I have thoroughly researched the derivation of the English word 'fuck,' and I've never read that 'fuck' is equivalent to 'rape.' 'Fuck' comes direclty to the English language from the German word 'ficken,' which has the same meaning, and indirectly from the Latin word 'pug-' meaning 'to strike or penetrate,' as in the English word 'pugilist.'

On edit: However, there are certainly negative connotations, depending on the usage. 'Fucking,' to me, is the physical act, sans emotions. 'Fuck Obama' I translate as: Obama is a liar and worthy of dismissal. 'I got fucked over' I translate as 'I have been cheated and/or lied to.' Et cetera ad infinitum.

So. Our desire to say "Fuck Obama" means that we would like to "fuck over" the guy because we've been cheated and/or lied to. So "Fuck Obama" is an expression of a desire to even things out. Justice.

A "justice fuck".

I'm down with that.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

"Fuck" [is] (generally understood to imply rape) in the title.

It is? Because I have thoroughly researched the derivation of the English word 'fuck,' and I've never read that 'fuck' is equivalent to 'rape.' 'Fuck' comes direclty to the English language from the German word 'ficken,' which has the same meaning, and indirectly from the Latin word 'pug-' meaning 'to strike or penetrate,' as in the English word 'pugilist.'

On edit: However, there are certainly negative connotations, depending on the usage. 'Fucking,' to me, is the physical act, sans emotions. 'Fuck Obama' I translate as: Obama is a liar and worthy of dismissal. 'I got fucked over' I translate as 'I have been cheated and/or lied to.' Et cetera ad infinitum.

Understanding the semantics of the term, both used as slang and otherwise, the word is not used here to inspire civil conversation or debate. Starting a thread with the term directs the environment of the thread and it's intent. Which is why I used the term circlejerk (the act of communal jerking off). It's intent was to simply post and discuss the negative aspects of the Obama administration while at the same time inflating the ego of those who find themselves of like mind (however ignorant of the ways the world works I may find them).

One could interpret here that the feeling most of the contributors to this thread have that they have been cheated or lied to somehow leads to vengence ala "fuck" (strike or penetrate that guy) is a form of physical abuse or rape. If you like to parse it as simple "dismissal", that's up to you. In general, it is consider by most to be a physical act.

Do I find it offensive..no. Am I going to sit and whine about it..no. Will I from time to time call it as I see it...yes. Will most here like it...no. Is that simply tough shit...yes.

[RocketMan]

Do I find it offensive..no. Am I going to sit and whine about it..no. Will I from time to time call it as I see it...yes. Will most here like it...no. Is that simply tough shit...yes.

Yes, arrogantly pissing on other people's conversations using patently false, hyperbolic straw man assertions (fuck=rape etc.) is the very definition of erudite, respectful and most of all CIVIL conversation. Extra points for the Cultured Tough Guy stance.

[Sweejak]

Obama said:
"I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views"

Joe Bageant has said:
"Frankly, in my 63 years as an American I've never seen more hearts broken nor more bitter people created by a single event [Obama election]. And that includes the Vietnam War."

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Yes, arrogantly pissing on other people's conversations using patently false, hyperbolic straw man assertions (fuck=rape etc.) is the very definition of erudite, respectful and most of all CIVIL conversation. Extra points for the Cultured Tough Guy stance.

Should I assume you to be one of the ones that won't like it then?

As for cultured, you've obviously mistaken me for Alaya. Cultured is finding offense at animated hand movements.

[ninakat]

Uncalled for, ninakat.

Surprising, Jeff. Disappointing too, given the context. Fair and balanced though.