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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:18 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen wrote:There is no limit to what she can do. The limit is to what she can get away with.


Only a hopeless romantic would think there's a limit to what she can get away with. Very belatedly, I'm now going to put money on Sarah Palin becoming the next President of the United States. What's to stop her? Reason? Justice? Dependable voting-machines?

Here's the BBC explaining (with the charitable and disingenuous assistance of Abe Foxman and Alan Dershowitz) that words no longer really mean anything at all. In post-reality, suggesting that Gabrielle Gifford's killer was influenced by right-wing demagogues IS equivalent to accusing Jews of ritually murdering Christian children. Anything can mean anything at all. (Hey, don't be pedantic! What are you, an élitist?)


Damn, you got me there. I was just about to respond with some namby-pamby feel-good posturing about how she couldn't get away with domestic genocide.

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Then I stopped and thought, "What am I, a hopeless romantic?!"
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:20 pm

beeline wrote:
Where's the black bag? The immediate assumption is that is what was used to transport the gun and ammo. So why was it not reported either from the taxi driver's account or as having been recovered as evidence from Safeway?


Crap, next you'll be asking where the black boxes from Flights 11, 77, 93, and 175 are.

Shhhhhhhh, hush, shhhhhhhhh.


That's right. This time, instead of wondering where the fighter jets were, I've got another inconvenient question: where was the emergency response time? I'm not sure if I should buy the whole sleepy Tucson Saturday meme.
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Re: Giffords shooting

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Re: Giffords shooting

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby stoneonstone » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:52 pm

Hellmouth, I think, rather than hellhole. After the one in Sunnydale was imploded, I think another major one lay in Cleveland. My guess that until recently no one knew there was another in Wasilla.



DoYouEverWonder wrote:
happenstance wrote:Palin video response with the "blood libel" quote still up here:

Has she finally jumped the shark?

Will this woman ever just shut up and just go back to whatever hellhole she crawled out of?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby NaturalMystik » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:53 am

happenstance wrote:Palin video response with the "blood libel" quote still up here:

http://vimeo.com/18698532


Umm... I'm just getting started on this, but did the following quote sound strange to anyone else? (40sec in)

"Congress woman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day. To celebrate our republics core values and to peacefully assemble to petition our government. It's inexcusable, incomprehensible..."

I know it's a tad out of context, but my audio skipped right after she said 'incomprehensible' and it really caught my attention. After the skip, "why a single, evil man...", changes the context, however I wonder how your brain parses it first time through...
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:27 am

Thoughts on Obama's speech? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41043078/ns ... nd_courts/

Truth be told, I couldn't help but be taken by it. I know I know, there goes my "RI" cred...and trust me, I of anyone is always highlighting to my fellow "liberal compatriots" offline about Obama's signing off on endless Pakistani drone strikes. But if I was to only know Obama from that speech, I'd have to say the message itself was really good.

I just wish the media and public was just as outraged and moved every time the US, NATO allies or Israel blows up and massacres innocent Muslim civilians.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby 82_28 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:44 am

Always keep in mind, as I am sure most here are, that when it comes to this modern iteration of this top down right wing, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THEM. Boehner had to have himself another good public cry today. One look at the motherfucker and what he stands for outside of these right-wing prescribed burns of tragedy and you know he really doesn't give a shit (this is part and parcel and fully fits into the mandate of dominance the right believe it owns). And I really don't give a shit what people think of me when I say that Sarah Palin's loss would not be mourned by me at all as well as I would not celebrate her being attacked whatsoever. Here's why: because she is not a leader and as a leftist I need no leader nor will I ever "follow" one. I fucking hate cults of personality. I tried it before and the more I tried the more mortified I got by these left wing personalities taking their diluted fame to levels of ever uncomfortable antics (see Mike Malloy, Garrofallo, even Michael Moore etc). Intellectual and curious lefties want to commune and also be left alone by authority. Sometimes this can be mistaken as the desire to lead. However, I disagree. I believe that just being cool is the way. I don't give a fuck.

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This is why these late teen and early twenty-something idiots do what they do. They're either preyed upon or they have chosen an artificial idealism outside of their own soul. They are simply too young to question their programming from the standpoint of seeing years pass before them as impermanent entities. And by "programming" I mean the shit we ALL have to deal with, not some select specimens brainwashed by some "alphabet agency" or fabled project name. Yes, I mean the the famous around these parts, cogent Bill Hicks admonishment to marketers.

But, as the old saying at RI goes, "Fuck Obama". My very first thought as he brought up the death of Christina Taylor Green and all of the rest was a deep technocratic racism on the part of the message being delivered by the puppet leader. How many, HOW MANY lives and souls have been destroyed by the perpetuation of this activity by the incognito, yet in plain sight, true nature of the United States? Why are these deaths and this misery not questioned or brought up? After all, we are "there" to help them achieve democracy. Such bullshit. Absolute bullshit. It is the act of tossing out a second soccer ball on a field of five year olds playing a soccer game. Some of the kids will go after that one too.

Obama offends me as much as Palin, however from a position in which I would invariably would support Obama first. I do not like this happening to my brain. However I must. My fears, my family's fears, my friend's fears are being played upon. I am far beyond the time of recognition that we're being fucked with and quite honestly were it not for the work of Jeff, PKD, Goro Adachi (gah, sounds so cheesy) and so many others that are into the synchs, the history, the legacy, the drugs, the extant fascism, abuse, mind control I would have never ever recognized all of this shit outside of what it is.

This is something to truly behold. I don't care how you cut it, but a map on a computer screen is one thing, with or without the cross-hairs, but the absolute vastness of this planet compared to our size as individuals has never been more apparent. Yet the smallness of what programmed humans are willing to do for their leaders has never been more apparent either. I am a human who cannot conceive of what we did before the Internet. I lived it. But I cannot conceive of a time where I cannot look something up on my phone during a conversation, let alone go home and look it up on my PC. What did we do back then? Did we just forget about it? Did we hurry to the library the next day to make sure? Or did we just live and let live? I can't even go into a grocery story anymore with my girlfriend and wind up texting her "where are you?" anymore. What the fuck did we do in 1980? What will 22 year old would be killers of watered down jurisprudence do in 2020 with absolutely no knowledge of life in 1980? What will the generations of the Christina Taylor Green's of the future do with this deep intrusion by techno-fascism and their erasing of history as they go along?

Are these times akin to the protestant schism of centuries ago? (the Vatican has always been nothing more than a "proto" corporation) The Internet is kind of a bible that any of the parishioners can read in their own language (ala that Monbiot article posted today)? Is the only reason a "big deal" has been made of this because a congresswoman was nearly assassinated -- her husband an astronaut? How many fucking mass murders have occurred since Columbine, besides at the iron hands of our corporate military, which warranted a visit by the figurehead of state? The last one was a democrat, Bill Clinton, at Wadsworth and Bowles in Littleton CO. I was there. Many, many, many more have died between then and now.

In my book, they are diluting the power of the house. There will be another and another until we no longer care in the same way we do not even flinch at a school shooting any longer, when we have gone the way of Mexico -- just a few short miles from the service today.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby undead » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:53 am

But if I was to only know Obama from that speech, I'd have to say the message itself was really good.


Way to suxorzz teh satanic cock dood. I mean just kidding about that, I know what you mean. He makes good speeches, and you could say that about a lot of them. The bad part is the being a total liar about ever single thing has ever said in those speeches, which is why I think he is worse than Bush.

In other news, I think I know why the kid did it: Ninjas.

Hi, this site is all about ninjas, REAL NINJAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about ninjas. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

Testimonial:

Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a ninja totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.

Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).

Q and A:.

Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about ninjas?
A: Ninjas are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, ninjas are very careful and precise.


Q: I heard that ninjas are always cruel or mean. What's their problem?
A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals, ninjas can be mean OR totally awesome.

Q: What do ninjas do when they're not cutting off heads or flipping out?

A: Most of their free time is spent flying, but sometime they stab. (Ask Mark if you don't believe me.)

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:16 am

nathan28 wrote:It looks like Loughner had a long-standing but largely inexplicable beef against Giffords. LPT already posted a link, but I wanted to put some quotes in.

Since Loughner's friend poses a theory, I'll post that immediately below. Put simply, Tierney thinks Loughner thought he was a sort of ubermensch-type and was prone to fucking with people and making scenes. The shooting was a sort of ADD meets 'art' provocation meets Nietzschean sentiments. The other mat'ls I've put here show that Loughner has a long-standing and nonsensical grudge against Giffords and that Loughner got really fucking weird, at least by his friends' accounts, about a year before the shootings.

Since hearing of the rampage, Tierney has been trying to figure out why Loughner did what he allegedly did. "More chaos, maybe," he says. "I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what's happening. He wants all of that." Tierney thinks that Loughner's mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie: "He fucks things up to fuck shit up, there's no rhyme or reason, he wants to watch the world burn. He probably wanted to take everyone out of their monotonous lives: 'Another Saturday, going to go get groceries'—to take people out of these norms that he thought society had trapped us in."


http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message

Tierney, who's also 22, recalls Loughner complaining about a Giffords event he attended during that period. He's unsure whether it was the same one mentioned in the charges—Loughner "might have gone to some other rallies," he says—but Tierney notes it was a significant moment for Loughner: "He told me that she opened up the floor for questions and he asked a question. The question was, 'What is government if words have no meaning?'"

Giffords' answer, whatever it was, didn't satisfy Loughner. "He said, 'Can you believe it, they wouldn't answer my question,' and I told him, 'Dude, no one's going to answer that,'" Tierney recalls. "Ever since that, he thought she was fake, he had something against her."

Tierney says he has "no clue" why Loughner might have "shot all those other people." But, he notes, "when I heard Gabrielle Giffords has been shot, I was like 'Oh my God...' For some reason I felt like I knew...I felt like if anyone was going to shoot her, it would be Jared."

Loughner would occasionally mention Giffords, according to Tierney: "It wasn't a day-in, day-out thing, but maybe once in a while, if Giffords did something that was ridiculous or passed some stupid law or did something stupid, he related that to people. But the thing I remember most is just that question. I don't remember him stalking her or anything." Tierney notes that Loughner did not display any specific political or ideological bent: "It wasn't like he was in a certain party or went to rallies...It's not like he'd go on political rants." But Loughner did, according to Tierney, believe that government is "fucking us over." He never heard Loughner vent about the perils of "currency," as Loughner did on one YouTube video he created.

Tierney, who first met Loughner in middle school, recalls that Loughner started to act strange around his junior or senior year of high school. Before that, Loughner was just a "normal kid," says Tierney. When the two friends started hanging out in sophomore year of high school, "there was nothing really dark about Jared," Tierney says.



He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with "lucid dreaming"—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became "more interested in this world than our reality." Tierney adds, "I saw his dream journal once. That's the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."

...In October 2008, Tierney was living in Phoenix, and Loughner came to visit. They went to see a Mars Volta concert with friends, and Tierney was surprised when Loughner said he had quit partying "completely." Loughner, according to Tierney, said, "I'm going to lead a more healthy lifestyle, not smoke cigarettes or pot anymore, and I'm going to start working out." Tierney was happy for his friend: "I said, 'Dude, that's awesome.' And the next time I saw him he was 10 pounds lighter." Tierney never saw Loughner smoke marijuana again, and he was surprised at media reports that Loughner had been rejected from the military in 2009 for failing a drug test: "He was clean, clean. I saw him after that continuously. He would not do it."

After Loughner apparently gave up drugs and booze, "his theories got worse," Tierney says. "After he quit, he was just off the wall." And Loughner started to drift away from his group of friends about a year ago. By early 2010, dreaming had become Loughner's "waking life, his reality," Tierney says. "He sort of drifted off, didn't really care about hanging out with friends. He'd be sleeping a lot." Loughner's alternate reality was attractive, Tierney says. "He figured out he could fly." Loughner, according to Tierney, told his friends, "I'm so into it because I can create things and fly. I'm everything I'm not in this world."


Someone described him in the context of Russian lit and Nihilism, which when you think about it works a treat.

I mean I just typed that fucking sentence didn't I. Kind of proves their point.

(It was my missus actually, she's not been exposed to the media circus about this cos its been flooding so madly. Thats our very own circus. And one other person I read online.)
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:28 am

undead wrote:
But if I was to only know Obama from that speech, I'd have to say the message itself was really good.


Way to suxorzz teh satanic cock dood. I mean just kidding about that, I know what you mean. He makes good speeches, and you could say that about a lot of them. The bad part is the being a total liar about ever single thing has ever said in those speeches, which is why I think he is worse than Bush.

In other news, I think I know why the kid did it: Ninjas.

Hi, this site is all about ninjas, REAL NINJAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about ninjas. These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

Testimonial:

Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a ninja totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.

Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).

Q and A:.

Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about ninjas?
A: Ninjas are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a crap, but on the other hand, ninjas are very careful and precise.


Q: I heard that ninjas are always cruel or mean. What's their problem?
A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals, ninjas can be mean OR totally awesome.

Q: What do ninjas do when they're not cutting off heads or flipping out?

A: Most of their free time is spent flying, but sometime they stab. (Ask Mark if you don't believe me.)

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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby undead » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:41 am

I think there will probably be something like this circulating soon, considering all the other parodies.

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Hi, this site is all about Conscious Dreaming, REAL Conscious Dreaming. This site is awesome. My name is Jared and I can't stop thinking about Conscious Dreaming. Conscious Dreaming is cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:

1. All Conscious Dreaming at this moment is asleep.
2. Jared is Conscious Dreaming at this moment.
3. Thus, Jared is asleep.

Conscious Dreaming Gear:

- Black Bag
- Glock
- Political Business Information

Testimonial:

This web page is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is Conscious Dreaming: the greatest inspiration for all of my political business information. Some of you don't dream - sadly.

The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!

The majority of citizens in the United States have never read the United States of America's constitution. You don't have to accept the federalist laws. Nonetheless, read the United States of America's constituition to apprehend all of the treasonous laws.

Are you literate listener?

In conclusion, reading the second United States constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications. The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.

No, I won't pay debt with a currency that is not backed by gold and silver!

No, I will not trust in God!

And that's what I call REAL Conscious Dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that Conscious Dreaming has REAL political business information, you better get a life right now or in a few days, I will be Conscious Dreaming!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.

Conscious Dreaming is sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. Conscious Dreaming is totally awesome and that's a fact. Conscious Dreaming is fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love Conscious Dreaming with all of my body (including my pee pee).

Q and A:.

Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about Conscious Dreaming?
A: Conscious Dreaming is the ultimate paradox. On the one hand it don't give a crap, but on the other hand, Conscious Dreaming are very careful and precise.


Q: I heard that Conscious Dreaming is always cruel or mean. What's their problem?
A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other dreaming, Conscious Dreaming can be mean OR totally awesome.

Q: What does Conscious Dreaming do when it's not asleep or inspiring political business information?

A: Most of it's free time is spent flying, but sometime it informs literate dreamers about a new currency. (Ask Conscious Dreaming if you don't believe me.)
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby undead » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:07 am

This reminds me of a particularly heavy acid session I had some years back, with some very dedicated heads who were keen on helping the less dedicated people stay on the bus, so to speak. One of us liked to use the analogy of being a ninja, with respect to stealth and thoroughness. Inevitably we thought of the Real Ultimate Power web page and the valid point that a real ninja could flip out and kill a whole town with impunity. We decided that when one is confronted with reality in it's most raw form (conscious dreaming) the real ultimate power is to resist the urge to flip out and kill everyone. It sounds simple but it's a pretty important fact of being a sane person that a lot of people are lacking these days.
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:43 am

I too was moved by Obama's speech, but I think it was more in about my own reflection on those older retired couples, Christina Taylor Green ("child of a low, dishonest decade" - the best eulogy for this girl written, Norton Ash), and the staffer who possibly saved Gifford's life, rather than his words themselves. I'm not ashamed, I'm just human.

Anyway, I wanted to make a list of strictly esoteric / coincidental / not-necessarily-evidential aspects of this event. I think we should keep this list running and add to it as more elements are uncovered. Please feel free to add to this list anything that I'm missing.
  • The name of Tucson derives from a Pima word shookson/Cuk Ṣon story cycle of the Pima people that involves a hero murdered by public consent
  • Gifford's husband is astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has a twin astronaut brother, Scott J. Kelly
  • Dr. David Bowman was on the scene and attended to those injured; he shares a name with the character from the Space Odyssey series, who is himself somewhat of a "twin astronaut"
  • Gifford is cousins with actress Gwyneth Paltrow and niece of actress Blythe Danner
  • Christina Taylor Green was born on 9/11/01, and her birth and death dates form a numerical anagram: 09/11/01 :: 01/09/11
  • Christina Taylor Green is granddaughter of baseballer and Major League manager Dallas Green, whose name evokes the site of another "Lee" political assassination
  • Federal Judge John Roll's next ruling was to be on currency; he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed
  • There is presumably another suspect arrested a couple of hours after the shooting in connection with the case on the nearby corners of Thornydale and Magee Roads
  • Loughner wrote about many esoteric concepts, such as government mind control, the meaninglessness of words and currency, and conscious dreaming, and presumably posted on ATS, which covers fortean topics
  • Gifford's Youtube page was subscribed to Loughner's Youtube page, as of Sunday midday, and the page indicated that the most recent activity had been "2 days ago," one day before the shooting
  • The neighbor who brought Christina Taylor Green, Susan Hileman, was a graduate of Cornell's College of Human Ecology, which was connected to the CIA's programs of sponsoring research of mind control
  • There have been reports that Loughner's father has "never worked in his life"
  • The area of Gifford's brain that will likely be affected by the shooting is that which controls speech

What else?
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Re: Giffords shooting

Postby Crow » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:39 am

82_28 wrote:Sometimes this can be mistaken as the desire to lead. However, I disagree. I believe that just being cool is the way. I don't give a fuck.

Do not hurt
Do not kill
Do not covet
Do not obsess on evil things happening to anyone
Do not laugh when evil things do happen to evil people
Never do anything evil
Always help at all times when you can
If you have nothing good to say, don't say it. If they say it, step to them, demonstrate that your brain works too and then try and become friends
Never put up with any bullshit -- ever
Be cool, unless your fuse must be finally burned once and for all with a last gasp attempt at asserting your ideals
Choose that shit wisely



This was an extremely righteous post. Thank you.
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