Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

[Stephen Morgan]

A more pointed example might be the destruction of the antiquities of Iraq during the recent invasion, which was almost certainly an effort to dilute or erase the historical importance of the ancient indigenous culture as a way of imposing the hegemony of Americanism upon the area. This technique has been used for thousands of years for patently political purposes.

I don't think so. The stuff might have been stolen for money or ritual purposes, but I don't see any reason to believe what you've suggested.

What reason do you have to believe otherwise?

U.S. Base Damages Ancient Babylonian Temple

US government implicated in planned theft of Iraqi artistic treasures

The impact of war on Iraq's cultural heritage

The ancient Babylonian city of Ur is now located within the security perimeter for US Ali Air Base

And on and on...

I don't see anything there which indicates an explicitly cultural-imperialist motivation.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Agreed with Stephen -- military occupations happen along VERY pragmatic lines. 8bit, roll with me mentally for a second. All of the ancient power sites of antiquity, especially in the Middle East, are shaped first and foremost by simple geography. Considering how little things change on geological levels of scale, it would make sense that a US occupation and conquering force in 2011 would move along the same lines of constraint as someone with the same goals in 400 BC would, right?

The logic and logistics of occupation, and design patterns of militarization in general, is something that is discussed and unpacked in great detail at a site called Subtopia, which I highly recommend:

http://subtopia.blogspot.com/

[Stephen Morgan]

Agreed with Stephen -- military occupations happen along VERY pragmatic lines. 8bit, roll with me mentally for a second. All of the ancient power sites of antiquity, especially in the Middle East, are shaped first and foremost by simple geography. Considering how little things change on geological levels of scale, it would make sense that a US occupation and conquering force in 2011 would move along the same lines of constraint as someone with the same goals in 400 BC would, right?

Well, most of those ancient places like Babylon were placed according to the rivers, the rivers of Babylon, and when they meandered away those places were abandoned, as eventually was Babylon itself.

[lupercal]

And on the subject of discovered places with buried ancient knowledge that are supposedly off limits, where the Gospel of Thomas was discovered must have been an exception, heh? The Nag Hammadi Library in Egypt.

On edit: well, not ancient. But old enough.

not sure what you mean by this, but I'd say that if it is made public knowledge then it isn't off limits or secret.

I was just wondering if it was one that perhaps slipped through that should have been kept secret, especially for the Roman Catholic Church. I mean a written record of an Gnostic Jesus proclaiming that every One and every Thing is God...well, that pretty much makes the concept of sin (and blasphemy in general) impossible.

.. must point out here that the RC bible currently has 73 books, by my count, while the KJV has only 66:

Jerome rejected the Deuterocanonical books when he was translating the Bible into Latin circa 450 CE, (see the Vulgate). This may be so, but he translated them nevertheless, and they're included in the Latin Vulgate, which has 76 books, listed here: http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/bible.html

This was because no Hebrew version of these texts could be found, even though they were present in the Greek Old Testament (the Septuagint). However, they eventually were accepted by the Church, and most of them remained part of the Bible. Protestants rejected these books during the Reformation as lacking divine authority. They either excised them completely or placed them in a third section of the Bible. The Roman Catholic Council of Trent, on the other hand, declared in 1546 that the Deuterocanonical books were indeed divine.

Of these books, Tobias, Judith, the Wisdom of Solomon, Baruch, and Maccabees, remain in the Catholic Bible. First Esdras, Second Esdras, Epistle of Jeremiah, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasseh, Prayer of Azariah, and Laodiceans are not today considered part of the Catholic apocrypha. But several are in the Vulgate, see above.

from: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/index.htm and a couple of other sites.

So Catholics aren't the wisdom hiders here. And "Jesus proclaiming that every One and every Thing is God" as anathema to Catholics doesn't wash as the mystical body of Christ is a big theme in Catholic doctrine or at least was in my day. Last but not least, who "suppressed" all those Irish monasteries, looted their libraries and fed any unstolen manuscripts to their pigs, with farmers still turning up the occasional bog-sodden codex? Wasn't Catholics.

p.s. as for AJ I can't get a good fix on his seriousness but it seems he's aiming for a comic effect in the spirit of ridiculing a rival, to me at least, tho it's hard to be sure.

[lupercal]

Okay while we're on the subject, one of Catholic-only deuterocanonical books, the longest, is Sirach / Ecclesiasticus, which you don't hear about much but rails at considerable length against economic injustice, which is probably why you don't hear about it, for example in these verses:

34:21 The offering of him that sacrificeth of a thing wrongfully gotten, is stained, and the mockeries of the unjust are not acceptable.

34:22 The Lord is only for them that wait upon him in the way of truth and justice.

34:23 The most High approveth not the gifts of the wicked: neither hath he respect to the oblations of the unjust, nor will he be pacified for sine by the multitude of their sacrifices.

34:24 He that offereth sacrifice of the goods of the poor, is as one that sacrificeth the son in the presence of his father.

34:25 The bread of the needy, is the life of the poor: he that defraudeth them thereof, is a man of blood.

http://www.catholicdoors.com/bible/sirach.htm

And so on, for 54 chapters. The reason I'm aware of it is that these verses inspired Bartolomé de las Casas in 1514 to begin a lifelong crusade against indigenous slavery in Spanish America that was actually successful (it was abolished, and remained so til the revolutions) including, at the time of his death, a campaign taken seriously in Spain to restore indigenous sovereignty and pay reparations. Very persuasive fellow. The whole thing started in Cuba too.

[Saurian Tail]

Agreed with Stephen -- military occupations happen along VERY pragmatic lines. 8bit, roll with me mentally for a second. All of the ancient power sites of antiquity, especially in the Middle East, are shaped first and foremost by simple geography. Considering how little things change on geological levels of scale, it would make sense that a US occupation and conquering force in 2011 would move along the same lines of constraint as someone with the same goals in 400 BC would, right?

The logic and logistics of occupation, and design patterns of militarization in general, is something that is discussed and unpacked in great detail at a site called Subtopia, which I highly recommend:

http://subtopia.blogspot.com/

I don't know Wombat ... we are talking the cradle of civilization here. Even if I were to concede your logistics point, we still have to account the looting of the absolutely priceless artifacts ... artifacts that go right to the core of Iraqi pride and sense of historical significance ... we are talking the psyche of a people whose history goes back to the beginning of history as we know it.

Here was the conclusion of the from the Colorado State Center for Environmental Management of Military Lands report. This is not an left wing environmental group ... they are funded by the Department of Defense for the purpose of making these kinds of reports:

Conclusion

Under the Geneva Conventions, occupation forces must ensure public order and prevent looting. More specifically, the Geneva and Hague Conventions require the protection of cultural property against destruction and theft and prohibit its use in support of military action. The Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict (1954) further specifies that an occupying power must take necessary measures to safeguard and preserve the cultural property of the occupied country and must prevent or put a stop to “any form of theft, pillage or misappropriation of, and any acts of vandalism directed against, cultural property.” The Coalition has ignored and violated these international laws, resulting in great and irreparable damage to the cultural heritage of Iraq and all humanity.

http://www.cemml.colostate.edu/cultural ... 01enl.html

Irreparable damage. I don't think the case is as simple as just following geography. I think the evidence is clear that protecting the antiquities of Iraq were of very little concern.

Barracuda was proposing an imperialist explanation, not an occultist one. I agree with Barracuda, we did what imperialists do ... we deleted history. If the enemy is demoralized and left with weaker sense of their historical roots, all the better for the victor.

Not surprisingly, Stephen doesn't see any evidence of imperialism here. But I think it is fairly conclusive. This is what imperialism looks like in real time ... a simple disregard for the history of the conquered. History is made to disappear.

-ST

[2012 Countdown]

You kind of have to grow up in the church to get the drift of what he was referring to there. AJ was definitely talking about opening yourself up to spirits. The bible doesn't say "don't take mushrooms" but it is very clear about witchcraft and demons and doing anything that might open you up to demonic influence.

Imagine the amount of trauma you can inflict on a child psyche with one little verse like this:

1 Peter 5:8 -- "Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour."

To "bible believing" Christians, experimenting with psychedelics and shamanic experiences (read witchcraft) is basically turning yourself over to the influence of demons. A very stupid and dangerous thing to do!

Furthermore Ephesians 6:12 says -- "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

You can see from this how cleanly the idea of the elites taking orders from demons in a psychedelic trance fits with the Christian worldview. To the bible believing Christian, there is a battle between God's people and the forces of the world that will ultimately climax in the defeat of the Anti-Christ and Satan by Jesus and his glorified followers at the battle of Armageddon.

-ST

Thanks for that. This is what I was trying to convey in point 1, but was in no way wanting to commit to arguing with someone who took up a lawyer's tact and began dialogue with 'hell no'. If one takes what he said literally, he does say the bible warns of using drugs. The argument is lost, and AJ is guilty as charged. Some things just aren't worth it. Not to say I think you are wasting your time, as I think you are likely correct, and thank you again for your research.

[hanshan]

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Agreed with Stephen -- military occupations happen along VERY pragmatic lines. 8bit, roll with me mentally for a second. All of the ancient power sites of antiquity, especially in the Middle East, are shaped first and foremost by simple geography. Considering how little things change on geological levels of scale, it would make sense that a US occupation and conquering force in 2011 would move along the same lines of constraint as someone with the same goals in 400 BC would, right?

The logic and logistics of occupation, and design patterns of militarization in general, is something that is discussed and unpacked in great detail at a site called Subtopia, which I highly recommend:

http://subtopia.blogspot.com/

Anyone for tennis?





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[hanshan]

Agreed with Stephen -- military occupations happen along VERY pragmatic lines. 8bit, roll with me mentally for a second. All of the ancient power sites of antiquity, especially in the Middle East, are shaped first and foremost by simple geography. Considering how little things change on geological levels of scale, it would make sense that a US occupation and conquering force in 2011 would move along the same lines of constraint as someone with the same goals in 400 BC would, right?

The logic and logistics of occupation, and design patterns of militarization in general, is something that is discussed and unpacked in great detail at a site called Subtopia, which I highly recommend:

http://subtopia.blogspot.com/

I don't know Wombat ... we are talking the cradle of civilization here. Even if I were to concede your logistics point, we still have to account the looting of the absolutely priceless artifacts ... artifacts that go right to the core of Iraqi pride and sense of historical significance ... we are talking the psyche of a people whose history goes back to the beginning of history as we know it.

Here was the conclusion of the from the Colorado State Center for Environmental Management of Military Lands report. This is not an left wing environmental group ... they are funded by the Department of Defense for the purpose of making these kinds of reports:

Conclusion

Under the Geneva Conventions, occupation forces must ensure public order and prevent looting. More specifically, the Geneva and Hague Conventions require the protection of cultural property against destruction and theft and prohibit its use in support of military action. The Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict (1954) further specifies that an occupying power must take necessary measures to safeguard and preserve the cultural property of the occupied country and must prevent or put a stop to “any form of theft, pillage or misappropriation of, and any acts of vandalism directed against, cultural property.” The Coalition has ignored and violated these international laws, resulting in great and irreparable damage to the cultural heritage of Iraq and all humanity.

http://www.cemml.colostate.edu/cultural ... 01enl.html

Irreparable damage. I don't think the case is as simple as just following geography. I think the evidence is clear that protecting the antiquities of Iraq were of very little concern.

Barracuda was proposing an imperialist explanation, not an occultist one. I agree with Barracuda, we did what imperialists do ... we deleted history. If the enemy is demoralized and left with weaker sense of their historical roots, all the better for the victor.

Not surprisingly, Stephen doesn't see any evidence of imperialism here. But I think it is fairly conclusive. This is what imperialism looks like in real time ... a simple disregard for the history of the conquered. History is made to disappear.

-ST

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Thus, the correct appellation: War Criminals - 'T'is a rogue state, captain....

Daedalus?...

Barra can mince w/ the bes...t


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[Canadian_watcher]

we DO know that exploration of many archeological sites *is* pretty much forbidden. Okay, people are allowed to go there, but no serious scholars or scientists of repute venture into certain places. Why not?

For example?

There's more neglect than prohibition. The Afghan settlement of the Graeco-Bactrians are an exception, I suppose.

Yes, I agree but would add that sometimes the motivations behind neglect are the same as those that would be behind prohibition... In the former instance 'they' are just being smarter since prohibition requires effort while neglect does not.

[Canadian_watcher]

edit: besides, what differentiates one from being a journalist and best-selling author from being a 'serious' scholar/scientist?
The paper? The acceptance of the universities or the MSM? What? Please, enlighten me.

I think it's a matter of training, essentially.

Isn't that a little elitist and part of the overall problem?

I tend to believe that some of the training you refer to is counterproductive in a search for new truths. Training often leads people down the same paths over and over while restricting some paths altogether. Training is a form of legislation in many respects, and those who choose to retain their good standing in any professional discipline often make sacrifices in their research for the sake of it.

Some excellent research and analysis have come from the untrained. You know that, so why the argument?

[8bitagent]

There's nothing to be afraid of, hombre. It's pure nature bliss. Now, alcohol, that's some scary shit. You lose control; you often get violent....

A good documentary you can watch online about the psychedelic roots of religion is "The Pharmacratic Inquisition."

I admit, I do seem to drink a lot on weekends with friends. Though I've never felt angry or upset, always in a usually calm fun mode.

[8bitagent]

4. Yes, he has great guests, and I enjoy it when his guests have a different take (or my take) on issues. Max Keiser was on today and is a regular. Catherine Austin Fitts was on the second time in a month a few days ago. Many more. His listeners are exposed to those ideas as well. As I said, his show is for the righties, but has a lot of lefties on and discussing things no one else discusses. AJ makes the righties' heads explode. They have no answer to some of the points he brings up within their paradigm.

Yeah it's funny...he sure played up the Tea Party tropes of faked Obama BC, climate change hoax, socialist agenda, blah blah typical glenn beck stuff...but then
he goes off into areas that irks right wingers: like questioning 9/11 and saying Muslims have been falsely scapegoated. Thats not something most right wingers believe.

Also, I do think AJ would benefit from hallucinagins, maybe get him out of his stuck right-Christian Texan mindset.

But I took his rant, as goofy as it meant, to me some sort of non human intelligence nasties are manipulating global elites. If one takes any stock in stories of the Nazis and Vril/Thule/high weirdness, Dee and Kelly, Crowley, Blavatsky, Lincoln's wife, Aztecs, etc than surely that might fit into that narrative.

[Canadian_watcher]

Both Yonaguni Monument and the so-called Bosnian pyramids have been extensively examined and studied by amateurs and academics alike. Realistically there are very nearly no significant archeological sites which have not drawn pretty serious attention and study.

wait a second.. I forgot to call you on this.
I can't figure out how you would know that there are no sites being ignored.

Isn't that like saying that there are no elements that we don't know about?

[8bitagent]

- What? There's a subplot in Cars 2 where they take their version of DMT? whoah

Well folks, wait til you check out the Cars Spinoff by Disney: US military war planes! No joke


Didn't you know? In between blowing innocent Muslim villagers to bits, war planes talk to eachother and have fun little Disney adventures?