Where is UFOlogy at in 2015?

[Wombaticus Rex]

[Simulist]

Bravo. It's exactly that kind of post that keeps me liking this forum.

So I'd pretty much agree with the general "direction" of that diagram, but what about somehow putting non-ordinary phenomena within the same general realm as "ordinary perception," and then placing the whole Shebang inside an even larger circle related to panpsychism?

[Wombaticus Rex]

I think you're quite correct on that. Sample from the Rune Soup post that's from:
http://runesoup.com/2013/03/everything- ... lications/

This is also an article that casually drops the revelation that Jacques Vallee came up with using coordinates to frontload RV sessions, and he did so in the cafeteria of SRI, in conversation with Ingo Swann. One line I keep coming back to is "RV struggles to process numbers or letters," because it so closely parallels with my own lucid dream explorations. I have, in recent years, been able to successfully read whole pages in lucid dreams now, but it moves/changes when I'm not looking and reads very much like Finnegans Wake, which I probably need to re-read. (Like, perhaps for the rest of my life.)

Anyways, forsooth:

So in 1950 when [Wilbert] Smith writes this [UFO] memo to the Canadian government, describing what he’s been told by officials of the United States, he talks about the UFO stuff which everybody quotes. The very next line everybody leaves out. I left it out for years, too. He said, “I was further informed that U.S. authorities (and you’ve got to get that—U.S. authorities) are investigating along quite a number of lines which might possibly be related to the Saucers such as mental phenomena, and I gather they are not doing too well since they have indicated that if Canada is doing anything at all along the lines of geomagnetics they would welcome a discussion with suitably accredited Canadians.”

So he’s basically saying that they’ve got this connection with mental phenomena and if there’s anybody inside Canada who’s working on it, if you get cleared to talk on a classified level, we’re willing to talk to you because we’re trying to figure this thing out….

The one was I mentioned Dr. Robert Starbacher and he was giving material to Wilbert Smith and when Stanton [Friedman] interviewed him he says, “Well, who was there? Was anybody alive? You’re mentioning all these guys who are dead.” He said, “There’s this one guy from Pennsylvania. He was real arrogant. He thought he knew everything. He attended all the meetings.” We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University.

For 15 years he was the Chairman of the Board of the Institute for Defence Analysis, which is the top military think tank for the United States military. He was the co-developer of the homing torpedo. He was friends with Vannevar Bush. He had this incredible, unbelievable background of military and connections with Presidents and stuff like this. So when we go to him, we’re interviewing him as UFO researchers. We’re not thinking about the mind; we couldn’t care less about that, no connection whatsoever.

We’re talking to him and we’re trying to find out about this supposed UFO group that runs the whole thing, the MJ-12. We’re asking him questions about MJ-12. “Did you have contact with the aliens? How did the thing operate? How did you cover-up the UFO thing?” And suddenly in the middle of one of these interviews in 1990, he’s interviewed for about eight years. I’m running this team of researchers around the world. I’m not talking to them. There are people who say, “I can get Walker to talk.”

“Okay, here’s his phone number.” And what we’d do is we’d take all the interviews that are done with him and we put them in a book. In 1990 in the middle of one of these interviews, he suddenly cuts off the conversation talking about hardware, about bodies and all this, and he suddenly says, “How good is your sixth sense? How much do you know about ESP?” And the other guy goes, “Well, not really.” It’s not of interest to him. And Walker says, “Unless you know about it and how to use it, you will not be taken in.”

Because the question was about who’s running the group. What’s this MJ-12? How many people are in the group? How are these people operating? And he says, “Unless you know about ESP and how to use it, you would not be taken in by this MJ-12, this over-riding group that runs the UFO program. Only a few know about it.” We saw the interview and I put it in the book. We published the book in 1990. We’re about to re-publish the book. We put it in this book in 1991.

We never mentioned it in the book. We never brought up this mention of the fact that ESP was involved because it meant nothing to us. We were into the hardware and the bodies and all this sort of stuff. But he mentions this in 1990. Then in 1993 there’s a related story about a conversation that takes place with Ben Rich. Ben Rich was the guy who ran Skunk Works, where the U2, the SR-71, the Stealth fighter, the Stealth bomber, they were all developed by what was called Skunk Works.

Ben Rich ran [Skunk Works] and he would get a number of questions about was this UFO technology. He’s giving a lecture in 1993. He’s dying of cancer. He gives a lecture at UCLA to a bunch of engineers and he’s talking and he says, “We’ve got the technology to take ET home.” He gives his lecture, he finishes the lecture, he’s walking out, and one of the engineers who was interested in UFOs runs after him.

He says to Ben Rich, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” And the guy says, “Well, it means that all points in time and space are connected.” And Ben Rich turns around and he says, “That’s how they work.” And so here’s this top guy in U.S. military research who’s saying ESP, that’s how UFOs are propelled. So you get these connections years later that basically put this together.

Currently obsessing over the fact George Van Tassel called the 1952 Washington DC You Foe Outbreak - even more so because I can find no mention of that allegedly famous big news in the NYT archives, which doesn't come up dry very often. I spent a good hour trying to find it, too, so if anything exists, please let a mammal know.

[Simulist]

He says to Ben Rich, “How are these things propelled? How are UFOs propelled?” And Ben Rich turns around and says to him, “Let me ask you a question. How does ESP work?” And the guy says, “Well, it means that all points in time and space are connected.” And Ben Rich turns around and he says, “That’s how they work.” And so here’s this top guy in U.S. military research who’s saying ESP, that’s how UFOs are propelled. So you get these connections years later that basically put this together.

I think that kind of thinking is pretty much the mother of all pregnant ideas. And, to be quite forthright with you, it is also an idea in perfect congruence with my own metaphysics (which is also to say "physics" because, from my point of view, the alleged difference between the spiritual and the physical is a thoroughly dead idea...), and that is this: that the beating of my heart is a completely continuous Process that involves the shining of the sun, the pulsing of the pulsar 100,000,000 light years away, and every consequence of the Big Bang from 13.8 billion years ago. Everything is part of this Process — from you and me to, well... John Lennon's walrus, I suppose.

We are, quite literally, the universe.

And this applies equally to whatever it is that UFOs turn out to be. There are really no actually separate "things" per se; only (A) Process, (B) Pattern, and the collections of seemingly separate (C) Points proceeding from that Pattern and Process (Trinity) we assign as "things," and sometimes quite arbitrarily.

If we could grasp the full implications of this simple idea, powering a UFO might be only one, small result in a massive dynamic. What could we do? What couldn't we do...


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[Wombaticus Rex]

I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. – Max Planck. 1931.

Vallee on ESP / RV / SRI:

[Simulist]

[Crow]

Wombaticus Rex quoted Rune Soup quoted Grant Cameron:

The one was I mentioned Dr. Robert Starbacher and he was giving material to Wilbert Smith and when Stanton [Friedman] interviewed him he says, “Well, who was there? Was anybody alive? You’re mentioning all these guys who are dead.” He said, “There’s this one guy from Pennsylvania. He was real arrogant. He thought he knew everything. He attended all the meetings.” We tracked this guy down and he turns out to be Dr. Eric Walker, who was former President of Penn State University.

Penn State like Jerry Sandusky? Or UPenn?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Like Sandusky, my daug, like Sandusky.

http://www.psu.edu/ur/awards/walker.html

Another connection for the increasingly disturbing possibility that pedophile rings are tolerated by yet another circle of hell for their reliable procurement abilities. DoD's interests in protecting these rings might have nothing to do with sexuality as Sandusky undertstood it, at all, and perhaps even blackmail operations were also a distant 2nd to the remarkable psi properties of young humans.

[Hammer of Los]

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Nice thread guys.

Yes.

Truly Pan Psychism is my Philosophy.

Now that Gordon fellow at Rune Soup looks like a charming young man!

Hard won indeed.

On edit:

I'm still readin' Rune Soup.

That guy's crackin' me up.

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[justdrew]

http://www.presidentialufo.com/old_site/walker_interviews.htm

it's strange the researchers behind these interviews apparently considered "chasing windmills" an "odd phrase" surely the quest for UFO info is quixotic. I guess they just never heard the phrase, but I never thought it was that uncommon. I mean, Man of La Mancha had just been a fairly big film in 72.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Remarkably coherent and patient examination of Vallee's Control System theories right here.

Really dug this:



...which is well within our technology today...

[justdrew]

Azadehdel: Have we been able to make contact with them on a communication basis?

Dr Walker: We promised not to tell.

promised who? (the aliens possibly)

this would fit with my theory that the human race needs to pass certain technological (and social?) achievement markers before open contact is allowed. Until then we remain a red-zone quarantined for our own good. Whatever dealings or communications we've had have likely then been initiated by subset of aliens who wish to give us a little help along.

( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David%27s_Spaceship for a possible literary gloss of the sitch)

[ShinShinKid]

So my sighting occurred on the way to work. I was listening to the radio, when the DJ took a call from a local. Well, this guy was talking about seeing lights above the mountain that lies North of our city (Tucson). This was years ago. I think that I have recounted it before, and some details become more lucid than others at different times in my life, and with different audiences. Anyway, I heard the caller on the radio talking about seeing lights over Mount Lemmon. Well, I was travelling Southbound, so I turned around and look over towards the mountain.
I remember seeing at first a sort of light show(sapphire blue, pinkish purple). The lights were very bright, there were orbs of brightness, and what I can only describe as lasers kind of shooting around. It reminded me of a very, very high quality Pink Floyd Laser light show, but it only lasted a second, maybe two. It's after that, that I pulled my truck off to the side of the road and had a look from a stationary position.
The only way to describe what I saw next is to say that I now understand Ancient Egyptian obelisks! What I saw resembled the capstone to a pyramid, or an obelisk. It had the shape of an Isosceles triangle, but it was solid.


I can only describe it as coated, or covered in Electrum. It looked like a mercurial relflection from all sides. It shimmered brightly in the sunlight. I watched it for a few seconds to realize it was slowly rising straight up. I was probably 25 or so miles South by South East of the object; and it was large. I waved my arms frantically at drivers going past, but nobody seemed to notice or care. It was at that time that I had to get somebody else to see this thing so I knew I was not going crazy.
I drove to work as quickly as I could, and ended up actually dragging more than one person physically outside to see this thing. Nobody could see a balloon, or anything else to explain what it was. There were at least five other witnesses, only two of which will still confirm what they saw. I was working at a very high end engineering firm at the time, not a single engineer would come out to look...it was wierd. Anyways, I was doing work on the NIF project and building instrumentation for all sorts of big projects...Even years later, in the lunchroom, the people I witnessed it with would stick up for me against the science bullies about seeing it (one of the witnesses was our company receptionist, an older woman, who "had never seen anything like that".).
The strangest part was how all of the sudden, all of those obelisks, even the Washington Monument, suddenly made sense to me. How, and to whom the Ancient Egyptians interacted with, I don't know, but I am pretty sure that there was some sort of ability to call these things down and interact with them on a certain level...I believe the tie ins are crystalline structure of various minerals and materials used in monumental construction, the ritual use of symbols, and don't forget musical intonation to vibrate and make instruments out of said monumental architecture. (You see, if you've ever built a laser from scratch, and studied the structure and geometry of the Great Pyramid -- you'd see that the Great Pyramid is a frickin' laser, man!) The innards, and the capstone are just as vital to it's proper operation as a rangefinder would need a flash trigger and lens whereby to focus and adjust light beams...but I am ranting now.
I have been immersed in Sitchin since the late nineties, and what gets me is how much of his stuff turns out to be true...He was/ is really on to something, but what, I don't know. If you would like any other details please don't hesitate to ask...

[Joe Hillshoist]

trippy story.

What about the witnesses who recanted. You said 5 people saw it but only 2 will still say they did.

Whats their story?

[ShinShinKid]

It was weird, they would admit it to me one on one, but declined to "go on the record" to an organization, for example, MUFON. I did get two separate accounts(signed statement about what we saw), I have no idea what has happened to them, but I still could contact the two people that did go on record for event verification.