Giffords shooting

[Luposapien]

Thanks for compiling the rundown of weird synchs in this story Luther. here's another that was mentioned somewhere upthread that you didn't list:

Another tie-in with the David Bowman/Space Odyssey line, the twin brother of Gifford's husband, Scott Kelly, was a pilot for the space shuttle Discovery, which is the name of the ship on which David Bowman makes his fateful journey in 2001 on his way to becoming the Starchild. Which is another interesting synch in that 2001 was the year of birth for Christina Green (the date anagram for her birth and death is pretty chilling).

Anyway, as someone else, I think Joe, said earlier, I hate to seem like I'm trying to just turn this into some kind of numbers game. Guess it's just the tendency to try to make some kind of sense out of a tragedy (and being particularly primed to look for them based on my recent reading).

[On edit: Realized I failed to mention that I had just started reading a book on synchronicities in people's life stories just before this incident occurred, hence the "being primed to look for them" comment.]

[Bruce Dazzling]

Thanks for compiling the rundown of weird synchs in this story Luther. here's another that was mentioned somewhere upthread that you didn't list:

Another tie-in with the David Bowman/Space Odyssey line, the twin brother of Gifford's husband, Scott Kelly, was a pilot for the space shuttle Discovery, which is the name of the ship on which David Bowman makes his fateful journey in 2001 on his way to becoming the Starchild. Which is another interesting synch in that 2001 was the year of birth for Christina Green (the date anagram for her birth and death is pretty chilling).

Anyway, as someone else, I think Joe, said earlier, I hate to seem like I'm trying to just turn this into some kind of numbers game. Guess it's just the tendency to try to make some kind of sense out of a tragedy (and being particularly primed to look for them based on my recent reading).

[On edit: Realized I failed to mention that I had just started reading a book on synchronicities in people's life stories just before this incident occurred, hence the "being primed to look for them" comment.]

And don't forget about this 9/11/2001 Space Odyssey sync.





And they seem to be attempting to turn the Giffords shooting into a mass transformative event in the same way that 9/11 was.

Edited because I mistakenly hit 'Submit' instead of 'Preview' before I was finished with my post...

[Luposapien]

Yeah. There is that too. Just did a quick check, and it turns out that both of the Kelly twins have served as pilot on the Discovery.

[beeline]

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We're going to need a Coincidence-Theorist Guide to the Gifford Shooting thread

[Canadian_watcher]

Yeah. There is that too. Just did a quick check, and it turns out that both of the Kelly twins have served as pilot on the Discovery.

and that female astronaut Lisa Nowak who was found guilty of attempted kidnapping (love triangle, allegedly) worked with both Kelly twins, too. although that is likely meaningless, it's perhaps worth noting. Her parents are Alfredo & Jane Caputo whose professions are reportedly computer experts and sometimes bio-sciences.

[Iamwhomiam]

I don't think he's schizophrenic at all. Mentally ill, perhaps very possibly so. However, a few have touched upon the subject of occultic influence, and I do believe he may be partially possessed. The sought after chaos, his 'normal teen' to 'bizarrely behaved teen' transition, his alter, er, 'scuse me, altar, the 'mad' blog ramblings, and what's in that black bag? His dad must know. And what do we really know about his dad? High Priest? Who knows. Who knows when he started dabbling in the 'arts'?

Reading what little I did of his blog, I find it hard to believe he could read. And who's to say he actually set up his blog? If he was being controlled, 'used' to commit this act, wouldn't you think someone could have created it without his knowledge solely to mislead us to believe he was simply nuts?

Lastly, going woo here... who's to say that the target wasn't the child? Seemed destined to someday occupy the WH. We talk here about time-travel, aliens, and all sorts of bizarre stuff. Couldn't this have been a preemptive assassination of a future president? Taking advantage of the event and taking out others to mislead us from the true target?

Probably just a deranged kid with a grudge, a regular, run of the mill egocentric gun nut. Discounting all the woo.

[Luposapien]

Wait. Did Christina Green survive the night? If not, then the anagram thing doesn't really hold (the shooting was on the 8th).

Ugh. I gotta stop this. Feel like I'm getting too close to ghoulish territory.

[JackRiddler]

We're going to need a Coincidence-Theorist Guide to the Gifford Shooting thread

As you like, but let's remember that "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11," the post that more than any other put Jeff and RI on the Web map (and which probably was what first attracted a goodly number of the current members to this place), did not play games with numbers or homonyms, but stuck to factual assertions of the kind allowable (at least, as rebuttable presumptions) in building an empirical, circumstantial case against the official story of 9/11 in a conventional academic setting, or even, potentially, in a court.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... o-911.html

Given how often the political events with the greatest impact on discourse and the greatest consequences in law and policy are, in fact, stage-managed as covert ops or psyops, I lean prima facie to questioning anything that leaves a big media footprint. (You can find posts of mine before the election saying that events that push discourse away from right-wing blah blah about "Obama the Socialist Tyrant" and toward talk of unity and civility that favors Obama would not happen before the election, but were likely in 2011.)

However, in the end, there's no denying most single events happen without hidden stage management (although never just out of the blue, always in a developmental context). The Giffords shooting is no surprise after many months in which the omnipresent right-wing noise machine has blasted out incitements for macho-hero-loner-patriot-men to kill the traitorous liberals who are taking away the ultimate holies, Your Dollar and Your Gun. Giffords pointed out that she was already the frequent target of vandalism and threats, and obviously her office was worried about Loughner in particular given our little find about the Youtube subscription. Nothing about the circumstances of the incident itself arouses suspicion of stage management. (Where's his bag? Come on, do you want instant access to evidence pics from the cops? You're seriously going to compare this to the WTC black boxes?!) He stepped up to her, shot her in the head, emptied an extended clip from an automatic into the crowd, killing a young girl, and was then jumped and overpowered before he could reload. Sounds like something that would take less than a minute.

As for how Loughner may have come to be, that's a different matter.

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[beeline]

As you like, but let's remember that "The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11," the post that more than any other put Jeff and RI on the Web map (and which probably was what first attracted a goodly number of the current members to this place), did not play games with numbers or homonyms, but stuck to factual assertions of the kind allowable (at least, as rebuttable presumptions) in building an empirical, circumstantial case against the official story of 9/11 in a conventional academic setting, or even, potentially, in a court.

Point taken, and I did not mean to diminish the original blog post, or imply anything else, just suggesting (and I know, I know, this goes against the grail of all holy-good thread-consolidation) that another thread might be a good idea, just because of the number and level of so many 'coincidences.'

PS-Where the hell is Perigrine? I miss that mod.

[yathrib]

Now the media is looking at things like lucid dreaming and the "Zeitgeist" film in its usual insightful way... Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

[nathan28]

Now the media is looking at things like lucid dreaming and the "Zeitgeist" film in its usual insightful way... Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

If 20/20 rakes Zeitgeist and "";/:.David-Wynn][[??/M1lleR--+" over the coals, that's a great "let's you and him fight". OTOH I imagine that right now there's "experts" talking about "lucid dreaming" like it's crack cocaine or something. "Sometimes he would turn off the TV and read books before he went to sleep then he would set the alarm early and hit snooze three or four times!!! I always knew something was wrong with him!!!" etc.

[nathan28]

Cross-posted:

Oh, and this whole thing reminds me of Columbine. Harris and Kelbold both had the totally delusional ubermensch complex which is pretty much required to do this kind of thing outside of a military situation. It will be interesting to see the psychiatric diagnosis/conviction. I wonder if he was taking medication.

Are you positive about that? Some recent journalism has revised the earlier representations and suggested that Harris and Kelbold were just regular kids who had fallen into a homicidal revanchist folie a deux*. OTOH, neither the Columbine shooters nor Loughner seem to fit the "lone nut" profile--Loughner's friends were clearly in touch with him until recently.

Of course, it could also be a testament to how much you can fuck yourself up in your own time and still have a social life.

Of course, this brings me back to the point I made earlier: where'd they get that pseudo-Nietzschean license from? Not the Ayn Rand bestsellers on the hi-skool reading list, never. I'd probably suggest that sort of nihilism is pretty much a mainstream phenomena. One of Loughner's friends compares him to the Joker in the last Batman movie, and considering Christian Bale's performance (or lack thereof) in that movie, Heath Ledger comes across as the real protagonist. Every episode of 24 and the latest generation of cop dramas, which JackRiddler here outlines as sci-fi paternalism, demonstrates this time and again. I hate to just "blame society" but IDK how else you pick up the homicidal tendency.

*Speaking of folie a deux... who are the other persons of interest in the Loughner thing? Most fucking murders are either drug-related (i.e., business is war by other means) or involve at the least conspirators who are accessories. Where'd they go?

[nathan28]

Mark Ames, formerly of the Exile and author of Going Postal (where he argues that spree killings in the US stem from the increased "productivity," i.e., rate of exploitation, of American workers and their "free market", i.e., completely uncertain, futures), has a piece on the Loughner shootings as a "new" type of murder, the combined workplace spree killing meets the '70s political killing (which continued into the 1980s if you count the KKK).

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/01/is-the-giffords-shooting-a-new-kind-of-american-murder.html

Be forewarned, Ames accepts in this brief article that Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan were the actual shooters, though he is more circumspect about the JFK, RFK and MLK shootings on his own website.

Each rampage shooter “snapped” because “sometimes people snap”; each school shooter “snapped” because they were copycats or wannabe heroes or “sociopathic” or “paranoid-schizophrenic.” However, postal shootings appeared only in the mid-1980s, in what later Congressional investigations agreed was a culture of bullying, harassment, and intimidation by management, thanks to Nixon-era reforms that took away postal union workers’ right to strike and mandated that the service run on its own revenues by 1983—the year the first such shooting took place. The first private-workplace massacre took place in 1989, at the Standard Gravure plant in Louisville, Kentucky—at the end of a decade of Reaganomics that radically and violently changed the workplace culture, creating yawning new inequalities. These workplace shootings have been with us ever since.

A similar dynamic of denial came into play during the assassinations epidemic. At the time, we comforted ourselves by bracketing the James Earl Rays and Sirhan Sirhans as mere “crazies”—but somehow those assassinations came to a sudden halt in the early Reagan years. In retrospect, we understand them as the product of a chaotic, violent period of political upheaval.

Now, it seems, we have the worst of both worlds: the chaos that Reagan snuffed out, and the socioeconomic violence his policies produced. And that might explain why we just experienced the worst of all murder crimes: a political assassination-rampage massacre.

In my mind, like I've said, Loughner comes across like Travis Bickle. Bickle goes to a rally to shoot a senator pretty much for nothing more than being a senator (before being chased off). Loughner seems to have targeted Giffords around 2007, when he asked one nonsense question of her, and just escalated his imagined grievance and its needed remedy from there. The fact that a woman who was a Blue Dog would be targeted just shows how absurdly fragmented Americans' ideologies have become.

[nathan28]

Reports indicate that Giffords is able to move her arms and breathing on her own. She's been able to respond to verbal commands for a few days now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/10/jared-loughner-court_n_807096.html

[norton ash]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... e_had.html

Tucson Tea Party founder Trent Humphries said Gabrielle Giffords should have had security at event
By Nina Mandell
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, January 13th 2011, 2:09 PM

As the Tea Party is being blasted for its fiery rhetoric, one Arizona Tea Partier said its members are victims, too.

Trent Humphries, who is credited with being the co-founder of the Tucson Tea Party, said that Gabrielle Giffords is partially responsible for the deadly shooting that killed six and left the congresswoman in critical condition.

And now, he said, the shooting is being used against his political cause.

In an interview with the British newspaper The Guardian on Tuesday, Humphries said that if the congresswoman felt so threatened by the dialed-up rhetoric, or the threats that had been sent her way, she should have hired some security for her public appearance.

Now, he said, the political rhetoric surrounding the shootings is leaving the Tea Party as an additional victim of the tragedy.

"It's political gamesmanship," Humphries, who ran for office himself once, said. "The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?"

I got nothin'.