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Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:11 am

Right-Wing Pundits Jumped To Blame Muslims And ‘Jihadists’ For Norway Attacks
By Ali Gharib and Travis Waldron on Jul 23, 2011 at 2:44 pm



When news began to unfold on Friday of the terror attacks in Norway that has left more than 90 dead, many blogs and Twitter accounts immediately lit up with speculation about who was behind the massive bombings in Oslo and the subsequent attack on a youth camp 20 miles away.

But some pundits, mostly right-wing neoconservatives, proclaimed that this bore all the hallmarks of Islamic terrorism, even going so far as to draw policy prescriptions. At the Washington Post, normally a well-respected news outlet, Jennifer Rubin quoted the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies‘ Thomas Joscelyn and AEI scholar Gary Schmitt to say that the attacks were the result of Islamic terrorism. She then concluded the “jihadist” attack on Oslo means the U.S. shouldn’t cut military spending:

This is a sobering reminder for those who think it’s too expensive to wage a war against jihadists. [...] Some irresponsible lawmakers on both sides of the aisle…would have us believe that enormous defense cuts would not affect our national security. Obama would have us believe that al-Qaeda is almost caput and that we can wrap up things in Afghanistan. All of these are rationalizations for doing something very rash, namely curbing our ability to defend the United States and our allies in a very dangerous world.


The Wall Street Journal, meanwhile, rushed up an editorial Friday, blaming “jidhadists” for the attacks and exclaiming, “Norway is targeted for being true to Western norms”:

…in jihadist eyes, [Norway] will always remain guilty of being what it is: a liberal nation committed to freedom of speech and conscience, equality between the sexes, representative democracy, and every other freedom that defines the West. For being true to those ideals, Norwegians have now been asked to pay a terrible price.


As more information came out about the attacks and the attacker, the WSJ rewrote the online version of the editorial, albeit by removing any trace of the above paragraph. Instead, it mentioned that it had falsely attributed the attacks to jihadists and called the attacker an al Qaeda “copycat.”

Many other conservatives committed similar follies. AEI’s Ahmad Majidyar published a post about the links between Norway and al Qaeda. FDD president Cliff May openly speculated at Pajamas Media that the attack was probably a “retaliatory” strike for the recent indictment of a radical Islamic militant in Norway. Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin made multiple references to jihadist attackers on Twitter in the immediate aftermath of the attacks. Josh Trevino, a GOP activist and former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, sarcastically quipped that he “suspected Lutherans” for the attack while also saying it was part of a “jihad.” Conservative activist Andrew Breitbart and RedState’s Erick Erickson were quick to join in as well.

Even after the identity of the suspected attacker was known, Erickson went up with a bizarre new post claiming some sort of difference between Christian and Muslim terrorists.

Now, though, we know that these speculative hypotheses, presented with near certitude and no evidence, couldn’t have been further from the truth: The man now charged by police for both attacks is a right-wing 32-year-old Norwegian “fundamentalist Christian” (per Norwegian police) with — far from ties to Muslim extremist motivations — a particular animus toward Islam, which he’s labeled a “hate ideolog(y).”

Rubin, who has a penchant for credulously repeating unverified and incorrect claims that fit with her worldview, drew the ire of James Fallows and Steve Clemons at the Atlantic website, where they said the Post should correct her “fear-mongering” piece and issue an apology.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/ ... y-attacks/


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:22 am

1.56pm: Here are some extracts from Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto entitled "2083-A European Declaration of Independence". Perhaps the most chilling is the one posted on Friday, just before he carried out the attacks in Oslo and on Utøya.

August 2010

I'm preparing for a car trip to Prague to establish a weapons connection for the acquisition of an assault rifle, a glock, splint grenades and AP ammo (grenades and AP ammo is a bonus). Prague is known for being maybe the most important transit point for illicit drugs and weapons in Europe.

Day 5 in Prague. I'm getting desperate. This is the first major setback for me during my operation. I am so disappointed by myself. I realize now that Prague is far from the ideal city when looking to buy arms.

Anders Behring Breivik has admitted killing at least 92 people in Norway (Reuters)

September 2010

I have now sent an application for a Ruger Mini 14 semi-automatic rifle (5.56). It is the most "army like" rifle allowed in Norway,

On the application form I stated: "hunting deer". It would have been tempting to just write the truth; "executing category A and B cultural Marxists/multiculturalist traitors" just to see their reaction:P

It has been decided that the operation will be effectuated in Autumn, 2011. However, I cannot go into factors concerning why, at this point. My current funds are running low, and I have less than 15 000 Euro left with a 30 000 credit backup from my 10 different credit cards.

I have a more or less perfect body at the moment and I'm as happy as I have ever been. My morale is at an all time high and I'm generally happy with how things are progressing. I may create an ideological Knights Templar Youtube movie this winter. I have some time to invest while I wait for my chemicals to arrive.

Monday June 13 2011

I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site. I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured...

BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-) I quickly drove away to avoid any potential unwanted attention, from people in the vicinity. I would have to come back a few hours later to investigate the blast hole, to see if both compounds had detonated.

Friday July 22 2011

The old saying; "if you want something done, then do it yourself" is as relevant now as it was then. More than one "chef" does not mean that you will do tasks twice as fast. In many cases; you could do it all yourself, it will just take a little more time. AND, without taking unacceptable risks. The conclusion is undeniable.

I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.


1.40 pm: The Norwegian paper VG reports that Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto, in which he sets out the ideological background for his actions, was largely copied that of Theodore Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber.

Only small alterations have been made by Breivik, such as replacing "leftism" with "multiculturalism" and "cultural Marxism".

Lars Ovlien, who also noticed the similarity between the two documents, sent me a link to the Unabomber's manifesto via Twitter earlier this morning.

Kaczynski killed three people and injured 23 others during a 20-year mail bombing campaign.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... s#block-25


if much of the manifesto is a copy paste with redaction of Kaczynski's, that would explain some of the questions Mac raised re Brevik's english. also, aren't Breivik and Fjordman the same person?

when this was going on friday i spoke to my dad-in-law and said this couldn't be islamic and had to be nazis. well, i was wrong about the nazi part. also, given the way it happened and the logistics of it i was then convinced there had to be more than one person. but reading through the manifesto and diaries (cf., the quote above), i'm tending more towards this being a lone wolf. this was planned out and executed meticulously.

edit: Norway's a big and thinly populated place. Breivik's attack in Oslo would have drawn all available police force's to Oslo, including those covering Utoya. being that close to Oslo they might even belong to some greater Oslo force. also, Utoya being relatively out of the way, the security, and with no big shots present (Brundtland was there the day before and Stoltenberg due the day after) security would have been minimal. makes perfect sense.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby barracuda » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:47 am

I don't think Breivik and Fjordman are the same person. I read yesterday that Fjordman had been posting though the day on Friday. Sorry, don't have a link at present.

EDIT: okay, here's a typical one. Inconclusive.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:53 am

I'm not changing the subject, but I just woke to these headlines on the Seattle Times this morning. Could it be the copycat effect?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:58 am

barracuda wrote:I don't think Breivik and Fjordman are the same person. I read yesterday that Fjordman had been posting though the day on Saturday. Sorry, don't have a link at present.


not sure that he is either, got it from Silverstein's piece and links. what i "know" so far.

edit: sorry, posted it before this reply. thought it'd come through. here it is:

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Breivik-Fjordman link (embeds at original), and there's that Unabomber connection again.

Breivik, Rightist Mass Murderer, ‘Atlas Shrugged’ Contributor
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A far-right Norwegian nationalist with ardent anti-Muslim views levelled savage blows at the mainstream political culture of his country with massive attacks on the government building housing the prime minister’s office and a summer camp at which young followers of the ruling Labor Party played. He killed 80 people. There are many questions raised by the savagery of this attack. How could Norwegian security allow such a thing to happen in the heart of Oslo, in a government facility housing the nation’s leader and political heart? How do we apprehend the enormity of the devastation and the fact that it was wrought by a far-right terrorist targeting the country’s liberal political leadership? But for me, another important question which no one, so far is asking is why did most of the world first think the terrorist/s responsible were Muslim, when the actual killer hates Muslims?

In fact, this is what the New York Times wrote in its story which did report the political affiliation of the killer:

Initial reports focused on the possibility of Islamic militants, in particular Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or Helpers of the Global Jihad, cited by some analysts as claiming responsibility for the attacks. American officials said the group was previously unknown and might not even exist.

There was ample reason for concern that terrorists might be responsible.


How’s that again? Are the only terrorists in the world Muslim? If so, what do we call a right-wing nationalist capable of planting major bombs and mowing down scores of people for the sake of the greater glory of his cause? If even a liberal newspaper like the Times can’t call this guy a terrorist, what does that say about the mindset of the western world?

It’s absolutely imperative for the world to face the fact that for every Islamist willing to resort to violence there is a right-wing nationalist willing to do the same. We can see that in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Equally important to note that while there may be some on the left who have resorted to violence (in this country in the 1960s for example), the overwhelming share of mayhem comes from the political right. We can see that in Israel, where the extreme settler movement assassinated a prime minister and murdered fellow Israeli Jews. The same holds true here in the U.S., where a white supremacist, Jared Loughner, recently murdered a federal judge and several others in addition to nearly assassinating Gabrielle Giffords, a Jewish member of Congress.

Norwegian bloggers are reporting that Breivik is the author of a blog called Fjordman and that he’s guest blogged for Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch and Gates of Vienna “for years.” As Breivik, he publicly praised one of her posts. Elise Hendrick has translated a passage from Realisten which confirms that Fjordman and Breivik are one and the same:

According to his own statements, Anders Behring Breivik previously operated the blog ‘Fjordman’, and later wrote for many years under the pseudonym Fjordman for the anti-Muslim and Zionist blogs Gates of Vienna and Jihad Watch.


In fact, an intrepid friend of Elise’s has created a web page with the “collected works” of the miraculous Fjordman. Pretty soon there’ll be a Festschrift in his honor. And did you know he’s written a book (of course he has, he’s an articulate mass-murderer), Defeating Eurabia. It’ll only set you back 50 bucks to get a glimpse into the mind of an anti-jihadi terrorist. Here’s a favorable review of Geert Wilders magnum opus, Fitna penned by Fjordman. And don’t ya know that feminism leads to the oppression of women, natch. And Caucasophobia is racism, of course.

I was curious about the views of such an individual would be regarding Israel. And lo and behold, the educated terrorist doesn’t disappoint. Here is his Why Europeans Should Support Israel. With friends like this does Israel need enemies?

There may be people out there more knowledgeable about the minds of assassins, but I’ve rarely heard of articulate mass murderers. The most recent one that comes to mind is the Unabomber who wrote long treatises which were published unwillingly by several major newspapers. Perhaps readers can think of others. But generally, it appears that our man Breivik is a paragon of the pathological literary mindset.

I don’t think we can blame Robert Spencer or Pam Geller specifically for not being able to predict that one of their political allies would be a homicidal killer and terrorist. But still, if you lie down with dogs you’ll wake up with fleas. The brand of hate peddled by Geller and Spencer naturally attracts such a following. H/t Loonwatch.

Breivik’s Twitter account contains a single tweet:

One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.


To which I’ve replied in a tweet of my own:

One person with homicidal right wing beliefs is equal to the force of 100,000 who think only Muslims can be terrorists.


My strong hunch is that there must be a substantial group which participated in this conspiracy. One man doesn’t make and plant two bombs and then travel to an island and kill 70 people alone.

Whether it is Israel, the U.S., or Norway, if we wear blinders which prevent us from seeing that Muslims are NOT the only people capable of mass political violence, then we have left ourselves vulnerable to the ascendancy of a violent far-right political culture. If you examine what happened in 1995, when Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated, the Israeli political liberal-centrist mainstream basically imploded after a series of Palestinian bombings and the onset of the second Intifada. All of which enabled the ascendancy of settler extremists and their Likud fellow travellers who have now taken control of Israel’s political discourse. People now forget that one of the most savage acts of political incitement was a speech delivered by Bibi Netanyahu from a Jerusalem balcony while members of the crowd brayed for blood vengeance against Rabin. The assassination followed shortly thereafter. Bibi, the Likud and the settlers have been the ones who gained the most politically from the murder.

I would never hold that the political left is wholly pure and virtuous, but when it comes to an impulse to violence those on the far-right largely have the market cornered.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:05 pm

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just catching up here. PGeller (or somebody associated) denied the Fjordman-Breivik link friday:

Friday, July 22, 2011
Heads Explode


Libelblogger Charles Johnson is claiming that the Norway shooter is a "Pamela Geller fan," and that he is actually Fjordman, whose articles I have published here at Atlas on occasion. He has persisted in this even though Fjordman is online tonight and clearly not under arrest. This shows how desperate Johnson is, and how low he will sink. In reality, the shooter is not Fjordman. I have met Fjordman, I know his identity, and he is not Anders Breivik. This is just a sinister attempt to tar all anti-jihadists with responsibility for this man's heinous actions.

The Jihadis took credit for it. Who would take credit for such barbarity and carnage? And yet this goes without comment. But there is no compunction in associating me with a mass murderer based on one referring link three years ago. McVeigh watched CNN when he lost it over Waco, so I guess CNN is a terrorist org?

But this is war. And the left is vicious, amoral and depraved. They mean to win, and that is the only way they know how.

As for the Johnson, he is a very sick man. Let's hope he doesn't hurt himself.

UPDATE: Maybe the shooter turned and snapped like Johnson.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:12 pm

82_28 wrote:I'm not changing the subject, but I just woke to these headlines on the Seattle Times this morning. Could it be the copycat effect?


Yeah. Isn't the copycat effect pretty well established by now? I mean, I'm satisfied -- it's a fascinating phenomenon. I'm biased, though, since my time in Marketing led me to believe nobody in that business really understands why they're successful. (AKA anything you put on the screen of a metal box that flashes high-intensity photons thousands of times per minute will be pretty persuasive and the memetic ecosystem is different every time for every participant so gauging the "effect" of discrete messages is wasted effort and everyone is only successful in retrospect so the whole discipline and "Theory" of marketing was just social myth-making from a bunch of lucky, lucky bastards who fed the Gaping Maw and only the crazy ones ever saw what they were really doing but it was still uncomfortable enough to leave the whole industry defined by alcoholism for five decades running)

Watching this thread evolve has been an education in how our biases are narrative antibodies that react when there are gaps or problems with the story. Not in a Pointing & Laughing sort of way, since I'm part of your neurons, too -- just enjoying the view from the RI balcony. My mind is more interested in telling me stories than solving problems. I will be unpacking that one for quite some time...is that why hypnotists/NLP sales jedis turn every sentence into a novel excerpt? Is that why the content of their stories is always so weird? Because the real magick is in the act itself -- the medium, not the message?

Also: Am I going to do a binge of question-based posts like this today because it's fun?
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:17 pm

This is from a post on DU. Maybe Breivik has been in some phase of his life in a similar program. Must join in with all those talking about how fake every angle of this seems to be, except of course, for the corpses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 125x249471


Unabomber's brother David says Ted took part in CIA mind-control experiments at Harvard

This 10-minute Google Video is especially timely now that bombers are back in the news cycle:

THE UNABOMBER: HE WASN’T PARANOID, HE WAS CONSPIRED AGAINST - snowshoefilms

David Kaczynski reveals the MK-ULTRA-CIA mind control program that brother Theodore Kaczynski (dubbed the Unabomber by the FBI) was unwittingly a part of for three years at Harvard, and then at the University of Michigan and probably Stanford. In recalling some of the details of his brother's involvement in the covert behavior modification program, David Kaczynski says of his older brother, "In a sense, he wasn't paranoid; he was in a sense conspired against."

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:18 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:...

Also: Am I going to do a binge of question-based posts like this today because it's fun?


uh, yes?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:19 pm

This dude, speaking of the copycat effect, offers this insight on Loren Coleman's site:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

22 divided by 7 equals 3.14... (=Pi; sacred geometry).
The massacer happened shortly before the upcoming celtic / pagan holiday of Lughnasa (this year held on august 1st),
a thanksgiving-like celebration to honour the sun-god and celestial warrior Lugh (=lux, luz, light). As legend has it, the ancients sacrified young children on this day to reciprocate for a good grain harvest...the proverbial "children of the corn"...gods harvesting children. Breivik posed as a farmer to cover his activities.
Lughnasa reminds me of Loughner.
Anders B. Breivik allegedly had a picture of Sarah Palin on his Facebook-Site. Palin is infamous for her "Bullseye-Campaign" which is intertwined with the Loughner-Giffords-Shooting. Behring and Loughner both did a "SOLO", as Cori already mentioned.
Breivik's sick manifesto is titled "2084" - standing for the 4th centenary of the battle against the ottomans' siege of vienna, which gained final momentum on september 11, 1684.

Andri, Germany

2:42 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

p.s.: please excuse my typo above.
I meant "2083" (not 2084), of course.
Btw: 2083 = 13 and 7/22/11 = 13, too.

In his twisted mind, A.B.B. named his rifle "Mjölnir" (after Thor's / Donar's hammer) and his pistol "Gungnir" (after Odin's / Wodan's magical spear).
Just like the above-mentioned deity Lugh, these two nordic gods have strong connections to warfare, dead, weather, agriculture, harvesting of crops and human sacrifice.

Andri, Germany


Our own elfismiles is mentioned in Loren's post as well. :partyhat

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Pierre d'Achoppement » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:50 pm

Euro officials report increased far-right chatter
By PAISLEY DODDS , 07.24.11, 08:38 AM EDT

LONDON -- European security officials say they are aware of increased Internet chatter from individuals claiming they belonged to a group called the new Knights Templar, that has been allegedly linked to the suspect in Norway's deadly attacks.

Two European security officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the investigation, said they were still investigating claims that 32-year-old Norwegian suspect, Anders Behring Breivik, and other far-right individuals attended a London meeting of the group in 2002.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby norton ash » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:56 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
82_28 wrote:I'm not changing the subject, but I just woke to these headlines on the Seattle Times this morning. Could it be the copycat effect?


Yeah. Isn't the copycat effect pretty well established by now? I mean, I'm satisfied -- it's a fascinating phenomenon. I'm biased, though, since my time in Marketing led me to believe nobody in that business really understands why they're successful. (AKA anything you put on the screen of a metal box that flashes high-intensity photons thousands of times per minute will be pretty persuasive and the memetic ecosystem is different every time for every participant so gauging the "effect" of discrete messages is wasted effort and everyone is only successful in retrospect so the whole discipline and "Theory" of marketing was just social myth-making from a bunch of lucky, lucky bastards who fed the Gaping Maw and only the crazy ones ever saw what they were really doing but it was still uncomfortable enough to leave the whole industry defined by alcoholism for five decades running)

Watching this thread evolve has been an education in how our biases are narrative antibodies that react when there are gaps or problems with the story. Not in a Pointing & Laughing sort of way, since I'm part of your neurons, too -- just enjoying the view from the RI balcony. My mind is more interested in telling me stories than solving problems. I will be unpacking that one for quite some time...is that why hypnotists/NLP sales jedis turn every sentence into a novel excerpt? Is that why the content of their stories is always so weird? Because the real magick is in the act itself -- the medium, not the message?

Also: Am I going to do a binge of question-based posts like this today because it's fun?


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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:31 pm

So now it turns out that he didn't run out of ammunition after all:

Mass killer still had ammunition left when arrested
Police action prevented further killings

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24.07.2011, 17:44

(Dagbladet) The accused Anders Behring Breivik (32) still had significant amounts of ammunition left when he was arrested by police after the Utøya massacre at 18.27 on Friday evening.

This clarification was provided by Johan Fredriksen, chief of staff of the Oslo police, at a press conference this afternoon.

- He had used two guns and was still in possession of a considerable quantity of ammunition. The police response prevented further killings being carried out on Utøya, said Fredriksen.

Lots of ammunition

Acting Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim confirmed that Breivik had a lot of ammunition left for both weapons when he chose to surrender to police.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:40 pm

If he emulated Kaczynski's writing and bomb making, maybe he (and/or accomplices) are connected to those Ikea bombings I mentioned:

Ikea's New Line of Exploding Alarm Clocks
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Or maybe I'm reaching...

vanlose kid wrote:
1.56pm: Here are some extracts from Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto entitled "2083-A European Declaration of Independence". Perhaps the most chilling is the one posted on Friday, just before he carried out the attacks in Oslo and on Utøya.


Monday June 13 2011

I prepared a test device today and drove off to a very isolated site. I lit the fuse, went out of range and waited. It was probably the longest 10 seconds I have ever endured...

BOOM! The detonation was successful!!!:-) I quickly drove away to avoid any potential unwanted attention, from people in the vicinity. I would have to come back a few hours later to investigate the blast hole, to see if both compounds had detonated.



1.40 pm: The Norwegian paper VG reports that Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto, in which he sets out the ideological background for his actions, was largely copied that of Theodore Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber.

Only small alterations have been made by Breivik, such as replacing "leftism" with "multiculturalism" and "cultural Marxism".

Lars Ovlien, who also noticed the similarity between the two documents, sent me a link to the Unabomber's manifesto via Twitter earlier this morning.

Kaczynski killed three people and injured 23 others during a 20-year mail bombing campaign.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... s#block-25


if much of the manifesto is a copy paste with redaction of Kaczynski's, that would explain some of the questions Mac raised re Brevik's english. also, aren't Breivik and Fjordman the same person?

when this was going on friday i spoke to my dad-in-law and said this couldn't be islamic and had to be nazis. well, i was wrong about the nazi part. also, given the way it happened and the logistics of it i was then convinced there had to be more than one person. but reading through the manifesto and diaries (cf., the quote above), i'm tending more towards this being a lone wolf. this was planned out and executed meticulously.

edit: Norway's a big and thinly populated place. Breivik's attack in Oslo would have drawn all available police force's to Oslo, including those covering Utoya. being that close to Oslo they might even belong to some greater Oslo force. also, Utoya being relatively out of the way, the security, and with no big shots present (Brundtland was there the day before and Stoltenberg due the day after) security would have been minimal. makes perfect sense.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:51 pm

Whoa! That is some heavy commentage at Loren's pad.

And yeah, I pass along to Loren and others many of the news leads I find here from all you wonderful folks. I told Loren about 8bit posting that Cloonan quote since I wasn't sure he was aware of it.

82_28 wrote:This dude, speaking of the copycat effect, offers this insight on Loren Coleman's site:

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Our own elfismiles is mentioned in Loren's post as well. :partyhat

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/07/72211.html
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