Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

[AlicetheKurious]

Communists:

Not at all. They're human beings, many of them with memories of a not-so-distant past in which they themselves were refugees who sought safety from war and poverty and found it in countries like Egypt, where they were welcomed, and thrived. My own great-grandmother was one of them. A lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and Syrians have some Greek roots, and vice-versa. We're neighbors, and share a Mediterranean culture among other things, like the fact that a lot of Syrian/Lebanese/Palestinian Christians are Greek Orthodox. Moreover, at least in my experience, the vast majority of people are very good, very kind, and are happy to help someone in distress.

But that doesn't answer the question: do you think it's right for global predators to ransack and destroy countries, and glut themselves on these countries' stolen wealth, and then leave it to ordinary proles already burdened by economic hardship to shoulder the cost of rescuing the refugees?

This is literally reverse Robin Hood: robbing the poor to give to the rich. It's a very profitable business, with no down-side, and all the blame in this topsy-turvy world, goes to the governments who are trying to save their already-struggling countries from being overrun by an endless stream of destitute, desperate people, beyond their capacity to absorb without collapsing.

Billionaires like Soros have made a killing from targeting one country after another for destruction under the banner of "freedom" and "democracy", leaving in his wake nothing but chaos and violence and poverty and other horrors. Why on earth should he stop? Let others pick up the pieces, and hopefully bankrupt themselves in the process. Meanwhile, he gets to lecture us about morality through his dupes or shills. Do we not learn? Are we stupid?

[Wombaticus Rex]

The new fascists have a warped and weird paranoid fantasy about the 'white genocide' and all manner of anxieties that spring from the fact that the white colonial / imperialist western world domination is nearing its end

Nobody at Davos or Bilderberg are talking about white genocide; nobody talking about white genocide is part of the "imperialist ruling circles in the usa"

Neo-confederates, boneheads, white separatists, Nazis, third position fascists, anti-immigrant reactionaries, anti-Semites, Islamophobes, violent racists, and many others of that ilk do use the trope of "White genocide" and other such victimization scripts to justify bigotry and violence, as we see all too often here.

As such, they are the antithesis of what Rigorous Intuition was always supposed to be.

Did you process my point while you were repeating yours, though? I feel like we're not communicating sometimes, bud.

Your boogeymen are marginalized. Even if they made exponential gains this campaign season as a result of Trump Fever: they're still marginalized! To conflate them with the suits who run the Empire is absurd. (Absurd is very "in" right now, though. I respect aesthetic choices as long as they are consistent.)

Neoconservatives, to give a single example, are and will remain much more powerful - and dangerous - than the people you track as a hobby. I'm not not telling you to find a different hobby, just trying to introduce some sense of proportion here.

[jakell]

Communists!

No reason. I just thought I'd shout it out, and maybe people will imagine that it is part of some sort of dialogue (which would be absurd)

Anyway, considering Jeff and all that, shouldn't something be done about ".... victimization scripts to justify bigotry and violence, as we see all too often here."
If they exist of course, and if they don't then maybe someone could call bullshit.

[tapitsbo]

Victimhood scripts are what works, though, on an emotional level. Smart people conversations seem to only lure a select crowd. Maybe we should be cultivating patience and attention spans in the young? How might that happen?

[American Dream]

The new fascists have a warped and weird paranoid fantasy about the 'white genocide' and all manner of anxieties that spring from the fact that the white colonial / imperialist western world domination is nearing its end

Nobody at Davos or Bilderberg are talking about white genocide; nobody talking about white genocide is part of the "imperialist ruling circles in the usa"

Neo-confederates, boneheads, white separatists, Nazis, third position fascists, anti-immigrant reactionaries, anti-Semites, Islamophobes, violent racists, and many others of that ilk do use the trope of "White genocide" and other such victimization scripts to justify bigotry and violence, as we see all too often here.

As such, they are the antithesis of what Rigorous Intuition was always supposed to be.

Did you process my point while you were repeating yours, though? I feel like we're not communicating sometimes, bud.

Your boogeymen are marginalized. Even if they made exponential gains this campaign season as a result of Trump Fever: they're still marginalized! To conflate them with the suits who run the Empire is absurd. (Absurd is very "in" right now, though. I respect aesthetic choices as long as they are consistent.)

Neoconservatives, to give a single example, are and will remain much more powerful - and dangerous - than the people you track as a hobby. I'm not not telling you to find a different hobby, just trying to introduce some sense of proportion here.

Why do you think such a fallacious argument- which is by now a well-worn trope of racist/fascist types- needs any further comment?

It's just ridiculous on the face of it and I think you're smart enough to know this.

[tapitsbo]

Some of us are laughing, it's true.

(Wombat, are you sure you don't need to review Matthew N. Lyons' piece on the scapegoating of neocons?)

[Wombaticus Rex]

Why do you think such a fallacious argument- which is by now a well-worn trope of racist/fascist types- needs any further comment?

It's just ridiculous on the face of it and I think you're smart enough to know this.

Assuming I'm smart is not a smart bet, on the actuary level. For instance, I can't even follow those two sentences.

Are you referring to the "White Genocide" meme or my point about the relative power of Neocons?

[tapitsbo]

We needn't gesture at the firmament inhabited by neocons here; AD's own contentions about institutional power are troubled by the manner in which their own brand of politics is much less marginal than that of their targets (as clarified by AD's assertions about academia.)

Possibly AD is concerned about the still extant demographic depth of the threats they have identified.

How thin on the ground is co-operation with the empire (whether you want to call it zionist or not) in Europe and MENA vs. the USA? I can't answer that question in qualitative terms but it would seem to increasingly not be marginal.

[Sounder]

American Dream » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:18 pm wrote:

Communists:

AD is doing some virtue cloaking here, probably in response to Fourth Base suggesting that the Communists and Fascists with their mega-death ideologies should all kill each other.

Not at all. They're human beings, many of them with memories of a not-so-distant past in which they themselves were refugees who sought safety from war and poverty and found it in countries like Egypt, where they were welcomed, and thrived. My own great-grandmother was one of them. A lot of Egyptians, Lebanese and Syrians have some Greek roots, and vice-versa. We're neighbors, and share a Mediterranean culture among other things, like the fact that a lot of Syrian/Lebanese/Palestinian Christians are Greek Orthodox. Moreover, at least in my experience, the vast majority of people are very good, very kind, and are happy to help someone in distress.

But that doesn't answer the question: do you think it's right for global predators to ransack and destroy countries, and glut themselves on these countries' stolen wealth, and then leave it to ordinary proles already burdened by economic hardship to shoulder the cost of rescuing the refugees?

This is literally reverse Robin Hood: robbing the poor to give to the rich. It's a very profitable business, with no down-side, and all the blame in this topsy-turvy world, goes to the governments who are trying to save their already-struggling countries from being overrun by an endless stream of destitute, desperate people, beyond their capacity to absorb without collapsing.

Billionaires like Soros have made a killing from targeting one country after another for destruction under the banner of "freedom" and "democracy", leaving in his wake nothing but chaos and violence and poverty and other horrors. Why on earth should he stop? Let others pick up the pieces, and hopefully bankrupt themselves in the process. Meanwhile, he gets to lecture us about morality through his dupes or shills. Do we not learn? Are we stupid?

We learn slowly, still even people that do not 'get it', do know sub-consciously that AD and Soro's style rhetoric is dis-empowering because it forces emotive and reactive mind frames on the situation.

AD doesn't care if what he says makes any sense, as long he can switch things from thinking responses to emotive responses.

[AlicetheKurious]

Your boogeymen are marginalized. Even if they made exponential gains this campaign season as a result of Trump Fever: they're still marginalized! To conflate them with the suits who run the Empire is absurd. (Absurd is very "in" right now, though. I respect aesthetic choices as long as they are consistent.)

Neoconservatives, to give a single example, are and will remain much more powerful - and dangerous - than the people you track as a hobby. I'm not not telling you to find a different hobby, just trying to introduce some sense of proportion here.

Of course they're marginalized. They're tools, losers, failures. But if the tiresomely repetitive pattern remains consistent, those fancy Neocon suits may very well start channeling money and handlers and even weapons and training to both the boogeymen and their mirror images on the "Left", to the next country in their sights. If they haven't already. They have unlimited funds, and besides, it's a very lucrative investment. In any case, they rarely spend their own money, but find a way to get taxpayers from some country or other to pay.

Once the violence rages, it doesn't really matter that it's being carried out by marginalized nobodies on both sides. When bombs explode and people die, when chaos reigns, this is when the former dregs take center stage and are repackaged as leaders in these carefully-scripted productions. Police and other officials of the state become targets for assassination via snipers, car-bombs, or whatever. If the state becomes overwhelmed, then even rational citizens will be forced into one side or another, if only to find some measure of protection from the guys wielding the rocket-launchers and the rpg's. That's usually the part when foreign military intervention becomes necessary "to protect civilian lives", and Bob's your uncle. Or, alternatively, depending on what the Creators of Reality want, the country mutates into a corrupt, oppressive dictatorship under a puppet government stuffed with corporate employees of multinational firms, some likely with dual American or Israeli citizenship. Either way, it works out to the same.

I'm not imagining how this is done, I'm thinking back to how it's been done over and over already.

Scum and losers are one thing, but scum and losers who travel abroad and wear expensive watches and have friends in high places and money to burn and access to a lot of fancy weaponry and military equipment deserve a closer look, not so much at them, but at who's behind them.

[AlicetheKurious]

I never did get any answer to this very important question that is very relevant to this thread topic:

American Dream » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:18 pm wrote:

Communists:

AD is doing some virtue cloaking here, probably in response to Fourth Base suggesting that the Communists and Fascists with their mega-death ideologies should all kill each other.

But that doesn't answer the question: do you think it's right for global predators to ransack and destroy countries, and glut themselves on these countries' stolen wealth, and then leave it to ordinary proles already burdened by economic hardship to shoulder the cost of rescuing the refugees?

This is literally reverse Robin Hood: robbing the poor to give to the rich. It's a very profitable business, with no down-side, and all the blame in this topsy-turvy world, goes to the governments who are trying to save their already-struggling countries from being overrun by an endless stream of destitute, desperate people, beyond their capacity to absorb without collapsing.

We learn slowly, still even people that do not 'get it', do know sub-consciously that AD and Soro's style rhetoric is dis-empowering because it forces emotive and reactive mind frames on the situation.

AD doesn't care if what he says makes any sense, as long he can switch things from thinking responses to emotive responses.

Good insights, Searcher. And the road to hell is really paved with emotive responses cloaked as good intentions.

[Sounder]

That's the second time you have called me searcher Alice, which flatters me greatly as I find searchers voice to be quite refreshing.

I never did get any answer to this very important question that is very relevant to this thread topic:

And you will not get an answer because you are being 'no platformed' by the great fascist hunter, AD.

[AlicetheKurious]

That's the second time you have called me searcher Alice, which flatters me greatly as I find searchers voice to be quite refreshing.

Oh jeez, I'm so sorry, Sounder. By some glitch in my neurons, I have great difficulty distinguishing between your name and Searcher's. Believe it or not, I actually checked to make sure who you were before addressing you in that post, and still ended up typing "Searcher".

And you will not get an answer because you are being 'no platformed' by the great fascist hunter, AD.

Yeah, his response to cognitive dissonance is to ignore it. Form instead of substance, just like his name.

[backtoiam]

Disinformation Warfare: US Officials Working to Keep Russia, Europe at Odds


19:11 13.03.2016(updated 23:15 13.03.2016)

NATO Supreme Allied Commander Philip Breedlove recently took US hawks' campaign of Russia-baiting up a notch, suggesting Russia and Syria have 'deliberately weaponized' refugees to 'break European resolve'. The remarks, and the mainstream media's ability to convey them with a straight face, are an indication of a broken system, experts suggest.

Speaking to the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month, Breedlove said that "together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration from Syria in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve."

Moreover, the commander warned, criminals and terrorists have mixed in with the refugees, and may now be planning attacks on the West; this too, apparently, is Russia's fault.

Analyzing the general's remarks, and the Western mainstream media's ability to convince many of its readers and listeners that there is truth behind his words, some Russian commentators are simply at a loss for words.

"Generally, we have long become accustomed to Western propaganda's capability to work long and hard to 'prove' that white is black and black is white," Svobodnaya Pressa journalist Alexei Verhoyantsev noted.

"But in this case the charges simply look ridiculous. Is it really possible this time to convince the so-called international community that 'Russia is to blame' for all the ills of the world?"

Asked for comment, Alexander Shatilov, the dean of the faculty of sociology and political science at Moscow's Financial University, told the newspaper that this is a 'classical example' of using propaganda to reject even basic facts and logic.

"It's an open secret to everyone with any understanding of foreign policy that it is Washington that is behind the influx of refugees from North Africa and the Middle East to Europe. Firstly, in agreement with Turkey, the borders were opened. Secondly, American charitable organizations have been used to stimulate the flow of refugees to the Old World."

"And all this began five years ago, when the US catalyzed the Arab Spring and, in Libya, openly overthrew the authoritarian but robust regime of Muammar Gaddafi. Therefore, more than anyone, Americans should blame themselves," that is – their own government's policies.

Breedlove's remarks, according to Shatilov, have several goals in mind, including "serving as one more reason to sculpt the 'enemy image' of [Russia] for the average European man in the street, and attempting to pressure Moscow, in order to get it to give up its support for Bashar al-Assad, or at least become more amenable to negotiations."

"Washington fears that with Russia's help, Assad may become the first Middle Eastern leader to successfully resist US pressure and to stay in power. This would mean a serious moral and political defeat. The last time something like this happened to the Americans occurred after the war in Vietnam, where they were forced to ignominiously withdraw, sinking their reputation in the world for many years afterward."

Asked whether Breedlove's comments and biased media coverage can really convince Europeans that Moscow is to blame for the migrant crisis, despite the fact that the crisis started months and even years before Russia's intervention in Syria, Shatilov suggested that unfortunately, the chances are good.

"Given the fact that the authorities of the major European countries are figures approved and vetted by Washington, the EU's leaders have done everything possible to cover for the 'American trace' to the refugee crisis."

"Earlier, Europeans were told that it was an uncontrolled process, and that they should pity migrants and help them adapt to their new homes. Today, an emphasis has shifted to the 'dark outsiders', in the form of Putin and Assad, who are pictured to be scheming against the continent."

Today, the political scientist suggested, the "precise and well-crafted" tools of media manipulation make it possible to convince large numbers of people to believe in patent untruths.

"The Western media has long become very adept at shaping public opinion; combining informational and socio-cultural influences; it's possible, with time, to convince a majority to believe that Russia is to blame for Europe's migration problem. All the more so because many have not yet forgotten the old stereotypes about the Soviet Union, which many continue to associate our country with."

For his part, Vyacheslav Tetekin, a member of the Russian parliament's Defense Committee, said that while he has "great respect for the US military personnel as professionals…lately their officials have been speaking blatant nonsense."

"If they wanted to shift the blame for the flow of refugees to Europe on someone else's shoulders, they could at least have come up with something more intelligent," the lawmaker noted.

"It's obvious that Washington is behind the migration flows to the Europe — it is their strategy to weaken Europe to some extent. The US and the EU are geopolitical allies, but in economic terms they are sharp competitors. Washington does not want to see Europe feel itself to be self-sufficient."

"Take the war in Yugoslavia in the 90s," Tetekin noted. "For Europe, this war was completely unnecessary; but at this precisely this moment the Europeans were forming their common currency –the Euro. Washington helped to organize a local war to reduce the stability of the new currency."

In other words, "the current influx of refugees is but a new tool, which the US has not yet used against Europe. The EU is now facing serious economic, political and moral costs, while Washington can rub its hands in satisfaction; it's a slimy tactic."

Asked whether there is anything Russia can do to effectively counter the claim that it is to blame for all the world's ills, including the refugee crisis, Tetekin said that unfortunately, there is little to be done.

"Unfortunately, contemporary informational techniques have led to a situation where even intelligent people can be made to believe all sorts of nonsense. It is unlikely that Russia will be able to 'dismantle' this powerful Western informational machine; our task, instead, must be not to pay too much attention to this type of slander, to continue our work, and defend our national interests, including in Syria," Tetekin concluded.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/2016031 ... dlove.html

[backtoiam]

Serves the bastards right...fed bux flowing down through states, charities, military contractors, organizations, etc...licking their chops waiting to get X amount of taxpayer dollar per head per refugee, and have a captive low wage worker....and so far they can't fill them up...so the money is stalled out at a level that won't pay the prep cost...for now. No telling how weird this whole business may get.

A castle in Schleswig-Holstein that was prepared to be used as housing for 320 asylum seekers is now home to just 28 residents, as authorities there complain that the expected number of refugees have not materialized.



Authorities in the north German state of Schleswig-Holstein are disappointed that much of their preparation for the arrival of thousands of refugees has been an unnecessary expense because many places, including 19th century Salzau Castle, remain empty.

German newspaper Die Tageszeitung reported on Friday that local authorities complained to the state government after hearing a three month projection from the state's migration office (LfA) about the distribution of refugees across the state.

On January 27, LfA informed them that until the end of April, 200 refugees a week would be distributed across the state; previously 700 a week had been allocated accommodation.

The head of Rendsburg-Eckernforde district, Rolf-Oliver Schwemer, responded by writing to Schleswig-Holstein's Prime Minister Torsten Albig to complain that in his district alone there is room for 600 refugees sitting empty.

Other districts have also created places of refuge "in the solid expectation" of receiving newcomers and the money to cover the cost of housing them, wrote Schwemer.

Because of the new allocation rules, the places are partially vacant, despite "maintenance costs of several hundred thousand euros," Schwemer said.

Local authorities expect the state government of Schleswig-Holstein, Germany's northernmost state, to bear 90 percent of the cost of housing refugees. The state is also supposed to pay municipalities 2,000 euros ($2,256) per refugee for an integration package, Die Welt reported.

"Significantly fewer refugees means significantly less money for the respective municipalities," the newspaper explained. newspaper explained.

In the town of Heide, for example, 190,000 euros ($214,370) was spent transforming former army barracks into accommodation for up to 120 people, but only five have arrived. As a result, the local authority is being left to bear the cost of the renovation, maintenance and the employment of a security company to guard the premises.

According to Die Welt, only 44 percent of the initial places made available in Schleswig-Holstein for refugees are currently occupied.

"According to the state government, 57 percent of 1,884 places are unassigned in the largest accommodation in the state, in Boostedt. Of 1,850 places in Neumunster, 900 beds are empty. In the Putlos barracks only 101 out of 1,440 places are occupied," Die Welt reported.

"Converted at the peak of the refugee wave, Salzau Castle is currently housing only 28 refugees, but 320 beds are available there."

n October Die Welt reported on the conversion of the 19th century castle, and its suitability for asylum seekers.

​'A castle is functioning as a refugee shelter,' Die Welt reported in October.

"The refugees still can't work, and the castle is isolated, but they are happy here," the newspaper wrote. It interviewed one refugee from Afghanistan who was living there, who said "we are very happy here, but there is no town in the area and we can only see trees. But yes, it is very nice, we like it," he told Die Welt.
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160212/ ... ation.html