Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Harvey]

Ok Harvey, what are the claims and their supporting evidence?

That nobody so far has isolated a virus which can be said to be SARS-CoV-2, or the cause of this supposed pandemic. Nobody can demonstrate that they have done so except by pointing to segments of RNA patched together virtually in digital models which are claimed to be the virus. That these models are a 'Frankensteins monster' of unrelated genetic material.

[mentalgongfu2]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

Abstract
The etiologic agent of an outbreak of pneumonia in Wuhan, China, was identified as severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in January 2020. A patient in the United States was given a diagnosis of infection with this virus by the state of Washington and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 20, 2020. We isolated virus from nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal specimens from this patient and characterized the viral sequence, replication properties, and cell culture tropism. We found that the virus replicates to high titer in Vero-CCL81 cells and Vero E6 cells in the absence of trypsin. We also deposited the virus into 2 virus repositories, making it broadly available to the public health and research communities. We hope that open access to this reagent will expedite development of medical countermeasures.

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[Harvey]

Saying one has achieved something is proof one has done it?

That nobody so far has isolated a virus which can be said to be SARS-CoV-2, or the cause of this supposed pandemic.

That's the general gist of the video. Why not watch it to see what is actually being alleged rather than the butchery of my paraphrasing.

It would be nice to see it proved that SARS-CoV-2 does what it is alleged to do, that it is the source of this alleged pandemic, that it has all the effects alleged, that there is no treatment, that the testing is actually testing for genes relevant to the alleged cause of the panic and that we must dismantle and surrender our freedom and liberty because all this is so.

[JackRiddler]

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United States:

Isolation and characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from the first US COVID-19 patient
Jennifer Harcourt, Ph.D,1,* Azaibi Tamin, Ph.D,1,* Xiaoyan Lu,1 Shifaq Kamili,2 Senthil Kumar. Sakthivel,2 Janna Murray,2 Krista Queen, Ph.D.,1 Ying Tao, Ph.D.,1 Clinton R. Paden, Ph.D.,1 Jing Zhang,3 Yan Li,1 Anna Uehara, Ph.D.,4 Haibin Wang,3 Cynthia Goldsmith, Ph.D.,1 Hannah A. Bullock, Ph.D.,5 Lijuan Wang,5 Brett Whitaker,1 Brian Lynch,2 Rashi Gautam, Ph.D,1 Craig Schindewolf,6 Kumari G. Lokugamage, Ph.D,6 Dionna Scharton,7 Jessica A. Plante, Ph.D,7 Divya Mirchandani,6 Steven G. Widen, Ph.D.,8 Krishna Narayanan, Ph.D.,6 Shinji Makino, Ph.D.,6 Thomas G. Ksiazek, DVM, Ph.D,7,9 Kenneth S. Plante, Ph.D.,7 Scott C. Weaver, Ph.D.,6,7,9 Stephen Lindstrom, Ph.D,1 Suxiang Tong, Ph.D,1 Vineet D. Menachery, Ph.D,7,9,+ and Natalie J. Thornburg1,+
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239045/

Virus isolation of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) for diagnostic and research purposes
Author links open overlay panelSachaStelzer-Braid12Gregory J.Walker12AnupriyaAggarwal3Sonia R.Isaacs12MalinnaYeang14ZinNaing4AlbertoOspina Stella3Stuart G.Turville3William D.Rawlinson124
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2520309399

Korea:

Virus Isolation from the First Patient with SARS-CoV-2 in Korea
Wan Beom Park,1,2,* Nak-Jung Kwon,3,* Su-Jin Choi,2 Chang Kyung Kang,1 Pyoeng Gyun Choe,1 Jin Yong Kim,4 Jiyoung Yun,3 Gir-Won Lee,3 Moon-Woo Seong,5 Nam Joong Kim,1,2 Jeong-Sun Seo,3,6 and Myoung-don Ohcorresponding author1,2
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/

Turkey:

Isolation and characterization of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in Turkey
Shaikh Terkis Islam Pavel,Hazel Yetiskin,Gunsu Aydin,Can Holyavkin,Muhammet Ali Uygut,Zehra Bestepe Dursun,İlhami Celik,Ceren Cevik,Aykut Ozdarendeli
Published: September 16, 2020
https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0238614
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... ne.0238614

Italy:

Isolation and Full-Length Genome Characterization of SARS-CoV-2 from COVID-19 Cases in Northern Italy
Authors: Danilo Licastro, Sreejith Rajasekharan, Simeone Dal Monego, Ludovica Segat, Pierlanfranco D’Agaro, Alessandro Marcello https://orcid.org/0000-0002-8903-8202, and The Regione FVG Laboratory Group on COVID-19AUTHORS INFO & AFFILIATIONS
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1128/JVI.00543-20

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00543-20

Brazil:

SARS-CoV-2 isolation from the first reported patients in Brazil and establishment of a coordinated task network
Danielle Bastos Araujo[...]Edison Luiz Durigon

https://www.scielo.br/j/mioc/a/3hzYZ4W4 ... p/?lang=en

China:

Isolation of infectious SARS-CoV-2 from urine of a COVID-19 patient
Jing Sun,Airu Zhu,Heying Li,Kui Zheng,Zhen Zhuang,Zhao Chen,Yongxia Shi,Zhaoyong Zhang,Si-bei Chen,Xuesong Liu,Jun Dai,Xiaobo Li,Shuxiang Huang,Xiaofang Huang,Ling Luo,Liyan Wen,Jianfen Zhuo,Yuming Li,Yanqun Wang,Lu Zhang,Yanjun Zhang,Fang Li,Liqiang Feng,Xinwen Chen,Nanshan Zhong,Zifeng Yang,Jicheng Huang,Jincun Zhao &Yi-min Li show less
Pages 991-993 | Received 16 Mar 2020, Accepted 12 Apr 2020, Accepted author version posted online: 28 Apr 2020, Published online:18 May 2020
Download citation https://doi.org/10.1080/22221751.2020.1760144
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 20.1760144

Japan:

Enhanced isolation of SARS-CoV-2 by TMPRSS2-expressing cells
Shutoku Matsuyama, Naganori Nao, Kazuya Shirato, Miyuki Kawase, Shinji Saito, Ikuyo Takayama, Noriyo Nagata, View ORCID ProfileTsuyoshi Sekizuka, View ORCID ProfileHiroshi Katoh, Fumihiro Kato, Masafumi Sakata, Maino Tahara, Satoshi Kutsuna, Norio Ohmagari, View ORCID ProfileMakoto Kuroda, View ORCID ProfileTadaki Suzuki, Tsutomu Kageyama, and View ORCID ProfileMakoto Takeda
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/13/7001

ETC. ETC. ETC.

I don't know why I'm bothering but

There are specific, falsifiable claims about isolating and culturing the actual SARS-CoV-2 virus in each of these papers from battalions of doctors and grad students in a bunch of countries. Feel free to read them and dismantle them for us.

Tiring, no?

But there's this video from a site run by one guy, Stew, who's going to save you the trouble. In the video, Stew, who appears to be angling for the now vacant niche previously occupied by Alex Jones, chats at a kind of fourth-grade level of performative disbelief with some partner-reporter who claims she contacted 'forty institutions' (all but a couple unnamed) and none of them responded to her request to show how they isolated SARS-CoV-2, which therefore, logically, doesn't exist.

Certainly there's no other possible conclusion other than that Covid is a whole-cloth hoax, no chance whatsoever that Stew and Co. are simply incompetent at the job of getting anything out of these 'forty institutions', or that they haven't bothered with even an elementary search yielding the above literature in a couple of seconds, or that, heaven forfend, they're dishonest and full of shit.

The site is otherwise a knockoff of the cable-network channels OAN and Newsmax with their permanent rotation of mostly crude attack pieces on Democrats as such, and pretty much on no one else -- not for being what the Democrats actually are, but for being leftist and communist and corrupt liars run by The Squad (shudder quake), unlike the rightly aggrieved Trump party, who are God's Patriots on Earth.

That story DrEvil linked to about how all this nasty talk about Israel being murderous to Palestinians is more communist Democrat leftist propaganda, etc., also exists.

The site has a clear, unitary, familiar ideological agenda, and it's all agenda, since they're too busy making these videos pitched at dopes to report or research.

How is it possible that you're not seeing this?!

If you wanted to create a poison pill dispensary specifically to discredit the skeptical approach to Covid panic, it might look something like this. But the sheer repetitive incompetence and monotonal style aimed at impressionable 13-year-olds suggests media-merchant amateurs.

Then again, CIA-NED-Etc. have also adopted the likes of Adrian Zenz and the Cuba 'Liberation' projects, as ridiculous as they are on their face, and of course they are also fronting obvious al-Qaeda leaders as the new Syrian moderates and democrats, so who knows? It's not a very high budget effort, but the money for Stew's coming from somewhere. (I have an effective ad-blocker, so I don't know if he's doing supplements or silver or some such.)

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[Harvey]

I know it may seem onerous, but have any of them proved that what is called SARS-CoV-2 causes the range of effects alleged to be Covid19?

[JackRiddler]

I know it may seem onerous, but have any of them proved that what is called SARS-CoV-2 causes the range of effects alleged to be Covid19?

Go for it.

In no way does Covid itself and the deaths and the troubles the disease has caused have to be a hoax in order to reject the suggestion, as you say, that 'we must dismantle and surrender our freedom and liberty because all this is so'. On the contrary, I believe the opposite: the kind of low-grade disinformation that Stew offers only serves the extreme 'Covidian' agenda by discrediting every serious critique by association. Its credibility is on the level of that guy who said the Zapruder film shows that Jackie was the actual shooter, except that was very creative and funny by comparison. These are not your friends in any struggle.

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[Harvey]

Sure. My point, which I believe I proved, is that even if Stew were Christ reborn shitting truth out of his arse, most people would never even listen to him, because: reasons.

[mentalgongfu2]

That's a helluva leap and a wild comparison considering he is not in fact Christ reborn telling truths but just one of many opportunist/propagandists spewing easily falsifiable claims out his ass in a format only palatable to ideologues and gullible idiots.

You can't throw shit on the walls and then argue the problem is people aren't willing to consider it might be roses. We have eyes and noses. It's shit.

[conniption]

Found this story linked in the comment section of the latest off-guardian article: https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/04/wat ... -pandemic/

Freedom Fighter Court VICTORY! Ends Masking, Shots, Quarantine in Alberta!
Stew Peters Show Published August 3, 2021

Watch here: https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fight ... berta.html

Rumble — WE CAN WIN! Patrick King is a proud father of 2, Freedom Fighter and Patriot who took on the powerful government in Alberta, and WON!
We can ALL learn from this, and we MUST battle this in every single city, every single county, every single state, every single NATION!
The fight for freedom is a worldwide effort, and WE CAN WIN!

More from Patrick King ...

Global Research

Video: Patrick King. The Virus Has Not Been Isolated! “No I Did Not Win The Court Case”. “They Do Not Have the Evidence”.

By Patrick King and Dan Dicks
Global Research, August 07, 2021
Press for Truth

Patrick King has been trending on twitter due to a viral video where it is claimed that the province of Alberta rolled back on their lockdown measures as a result of Patrick’s court proceedings and this is not true as Patrick states. I Wasn’t Successful, No I did Not Win The Court Case”.

The outcome of this legal procedure was not in favour of Patrick King. Although successful in the court of public opinion, Patrick did not win the court case, at least NOT YET. .

The Alberta Government does not have a leg to stand on. The virus has not been isolated. They do not have the evidence.

There are a lot of people in Alberta and around the World who are Fighting against the Big Lie. Patrick King embodies the Truth.

Truth is a powerful peaceful weapon.

The covid narrative is very fragile. What we must achieve is to break the Big Lie.

M. Ch. Global Research, August 7, 2021

Video available here: https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-pat ... ce/5752331 at Global Research, or linked to the below channels.

WATCH ON ➜ ODYSEE , WATCH ON ➜ BITCHUTE , WATCH ON ➜ FLOTE , WATCH ON ➜ MINDS, WATCH ON ➜ RUMBLE

[Karmamatterz]

Watch it while you can, it's already been censored by the little fascists pricks at Google once before.

This is a school board meeting where people from the community speak out. The 15 minute mark is where the local doctor speaks and calls out the CDC and others for the sham lies and bullshit pseudo science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjkSaedN4g&t=902s

[Karmamatterz]

After catching up on the last two pages because I was busy outside enjoying sunshine all weekend I see the usual shit show continues.

Don't bother watching the video link I recently posted, it's not that great anyhow and just a camera sitting static in a board meeting with people talking.

By all means go back and sit in front of your TVs, gulp down more of the Fool Aid drink that has quenched your amygdala with the fear that you crave.

Continue on with your sniping and brainwashing. Seriously, this is a joke.

It does not matter at all what any of us does. We try and think if we just make one more post, or have that important conversation with that friend or family member it will make a difference. It won't.

The mass psychosis and brainwashing was hugely successful. Enjoy the vaccines. Continue sniping like shills supporting big pharma, corporate fascism and this agenda. You have every opportunity to stand up and take a stand, but you smack your keyboard like it's some sort of holy act to call someone a racist or complain about the source of X, meanwhile the creeps running our federal, state and local governments are doing everything they can to force vaccines onto children for what amounts to be for most people nothing more than a bad cold. They are literally trying to suppress how we fucking breathe, and you're having a piss attack because source X might be racist? OMFG.

The battle is with the assholes that are making decisions and enforcing authoritarian dictates onto us that make no sense. It's not with each other. I suggest all of you get off your fucking asses and join a local protest movement if you care. Go meet other people. Speak at your local school board meetings or city council. Do something other than bitch because you don't like the source of information. It's amazing how much information has been presented to you all, but you STILL support this fascist agenda, and you snipe and bitch about the smallest shit possible saying it's going to discredit the effort to stop.....this???? The battle is in the streets, town halls, board rooms and workplaces, not here.

No, the brainwashing won't be stopped or impacted by the occasional bad source or a mistake by otherwise good people who have provided pages and pages of information. Their efforts have gone to deaf ears. BS, Harvey, Stick, Grizz, etc...I greatly appreciate the information your've shared as it's helped me become better informed. I think you are however, going to see a continued diminishing return on the time and effort you've put into this 223 page debate here.

It's no wonder the world is full of such insanity. Casting pearls to swine indeed.

[Karmamatterz]

The only antidote I can think of:




For those who vividly recall 9/11 listen to this song and replace all the references to terror alerts and fear mongering with the fear mongering about Covid. If you're able to do that there is hope you can de-program yourself.

Thievery Corporation is starting a new tour across the USA, I suggest you go see them. I've been to 3 of their shows and hitting another in September.

[JackRiddler]

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You're basically acting like idiots who think some magical bullshit is going to defeat the beast.

Let's say you're being attacked. We are being attacked, in fact, it's true. You can pick up a weapon for defense. In this case you do that by being serious about your own fucking self-education, and applying your supposed skepticism with rigor and logic to everything you read and think, not just the stuff you already disagree with. There may be precious little you can do, you may lose, but this is the only basis for fighting.

Or you can turn yourself into nothing other than a re-poster of every single thing your favored Youtube show or blogger posts.

You can believe that some obvious snake-oil saleswhore (whose performance, in Stewie's case, doesn't even rise to the skill level of Trump's) is a courageous man teaching you how to resist bullets with the power of your righteous mind.

Or you can go all the way to Karma's DK level, and believe that everyone who isn't believing the snake-oil saleswhore is, in fact, welcoming the bullets. You're either with the snake-oil saleswhore, or you're with the vaccine terrorists!

What are you doing here with the keyboard bangers, Karma? Get out there and resist the bullets!

I subjected myself to sufficient Stewie watching, Harvey, and gave you a substantive critique, to which you did not in any way reply. Stew is your enemy. He's a side attack. He's selling you obvious falsehoods with the effect (regardless of his intent, which I expect is to run a business) of discrediting you and crippling you as an actor in this drama (as pitiable as what any of us can do may seem to be).

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[Karmamatterz]

Never heard of Stewie, never saw or read whatever crap he's selling.

Are you embracing the vaccine passports in NYC Jack?

How's that working out for you there? No first person observations to share with the group?

Just what ARE the folks who aren't Covidians or shills for the agenda doing? What is the Middle Way here Jack?
Don't want to assume you've gotten the jab, but if you haven't where will you stand in line for the drinking fountains when one says: Vaxxed Only and the other says Dirty Unvaxxed?
No, we won't defeat the beast, but nothing wrong with fighting instead of rolling over.

Here's a thought experiment. Read this:
https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust ... rimination

Then copy and paste the full text into whatever word processor you use. Change the word Jew(s) to unvaccinated. Then read it again.

The discrimination is real and heads of state, jack-off bureaucrats, media shills and the general public are embracing the idea of punishing the unvaccinated. The brainwashing continues. The hate is boiling up and all of us dirty, germ infested, pus dripping skanks will be the target of the liberals, the brainwashed and intelligentsia who are still frothing because Trump wasn't burned at the stake so they are taking it out on anybody they disagree with. They took a common medical condition and turned it into something grotesquely political.

I wonder how you would feel about all this if Orange Man Bad was still president and the tables were turned? What if all the smelly rednecks from the deep south and midwest were discriminating against the liberals and forcing them to get vaxxed? Would you care to quietly sip coffee and discuss it over a bagel? Or maybe consider how you felt 10 years ago when the mayhem and protests raged down on Wall Street?

There is nothing magical I believe regarding any solutions. I'm already on top of educating my fucking self Jack. Why the fuck do you think I come here? It's to read links that a few skeptics who give a fuck post. It's also to share what I can now and then. I'm perfectly fine with you labeling me as an idiot, but I'm not sitting down for this round and not worried if my dirty, germ infested pus dripping persona or grammar offends anyone. If you've read most of what has been posted in the Rona thread there is enough here to convince a rational thinking person to realize we're all being fucked over. This thread only scratches the surface, there is plenty out there that never reaches this thread for lack of time.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/02/the ... tarianism/

[JackRiddler]

Never heard of Stewie, never saw or read whatever crap he's selling.

Are you embracing the vaccine passports in NYC Jack?

Idiot. My position on such things has been obvious throughout the last year. Thank you for illustrating your total cluelessness, as I was saying above. And like I'm going to engage with you.

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