'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Sun May 23, 2010 11:35 pm

Thanks for the concern guys. Glad I can 'post it out' here.
Its pretty shocking to think our (NO) entire way of life may be about to end, so immediate and abrupt.

One thing that isn't being said just yet, and this is pretty big - is that if all that vegetation dies, the coastal erosion will be enormous as that is what holds the sand/dirt in its place.
No marsh= no hurricane protection.
It was 90 degrees today. Cleaning crews and such in the heat and smelling all those chemicals/oil has to be rough.
I guess I should make tentative evac plans, just in case. I'm not directly impacted at my job, but over half this city/surrounding area will be.
Times are about to get really tough.

I understand this top kill is a long shot and has never been done at these depths. If it doesn't work, well, this can't go on till August. It can't.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Mon May 24, 2010 1:01 am

I have to agree with every word of this, and I feel most Americans are feeling something along the same lines.

Where the FUCK is the government on this disaster? Where the FUCK is the Obama administration?

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/50179

White House in Denial; Public Wants Real Action on BP Oil Disaster NOW


It’s been more than 30 days since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and the well nearly a mile below on the sea floor began to erupt oil and methane, killing 11 of our fellow citizens and injuring even more both immediately and in the continuing damage which followed.

And nothing has happened of any consequence since then.

Oh, we’ve had a Category 5 hurricane of hot air, some decent questions from Congressional hearings, but zippo-zilch-nada in the way of an effective solution. (I pity the people of the Gulf who had to deal with another hurricane they couldn’t escape.)

We had a big metal box set over the leak, not to stop it but to try to capture the oil. Anybody with the wherewithal to Google could predict this was going to fail because of the hydrates. They crystallize on contact with a solid surface in deepwaters below the average depth of the Continental Shelf.

And then we’ve had a tiny little pipsqueak of a hose nosed into the well pipe, which might as well have been a toothpick stuck in our mouths.

Now the White House is having a hissy behind closed doors with the media because dammitall, they can’t stop asking questions about the spill. Oh that’ll work, that’ll make a difference; the biggest environmental disaster our country has experienced will go away if only the media shuts up about it.

Screw that. This has been nothing but a corporate-induced environmental and socio-biological experiment perpetuated on our commons without our consent, and the American public doesn’t take well to experimentation without debate in advance. Witness our slow-moving policy on stem cell research, for example. We don’t frigging like it.

And screw the White House for its insistence that the Fourth Estate stop pestering them and begone. The people have been demanding accountability through our elected representatives in the legislature, but it’s like maneuvering a massive battleship, one that is intended for the making of laws and not their execution.

But it’s the Executive Branch which is charged with the faithful execution of our laws, and it’s failing to do so. It has not done a competent job of communicating with the public or the media would not be hammering on them as they are for more information — and for once, the media is actually doing what we need of them, not what their corporate lords and masters expect.

Instead of scolding the press, the White House should be asking itself why it’s being pestered. Why has "oil spill" remained a trending topic among internet searches across various outlets for more than a month?

It’s because we want ACTION, not more words. We want the damned well capped and we want it capped yesterday, and no, we don’t want to leave this to a negligent corporation which has consistently failed to act in good faith. We want the Executives we elected to office to execute. Do something, for god’s sake.

I’ve had a list of action items for a while now, in fact, if the White House cannot find actionable items of their own. You know that popular site, Getting Things Done? Yeah, well you can call this Get Sh*t Done Now. Here’s my GSDN list as it is right now which I gladly submit for the White House’s immediate consideration and implementation:

1) Obama needs to use that goddamned unitary executive power he’s been clinging to and declare a state of emergency in federal waters along the Gulf of Mexico, using an Executive Order. This is now an international situation, not just an American one, because the oil will eventually end up in the North Atlantic.

2) Declare British Petroleum in violation of its lease and kick them off the site. Threaten to seize all American assets of BP-America immediately if they do not assist in setting up a claims system which will be administered and overseen by the U.S. and paid by BP. (Hire all those poor Sallie Mae folks who were going to lose their jobs because of student loan reform for this purpose. /snark)

3) Ask the Department of Energy’s Steve Chu to create a skunkworks rapid solutions team from NASA and DARPA along with schools which specialize in oceanography, mechanical technology, geology, and computer modeling. Stop waiting for the nice old farts they pulled from JASON because this is an emergency, goddamnitall, we don’t have time for them to come up with a vetted, peer-reviewed whitepaper on this. Don’t listen to anybody’s crap about so-called experts on deepwater drilling and how they’ll solve the problem. As my 16-year-old said, "If there’s experts, where are they? Show me one." Yeah. What she said.

4) Threaten to kick Ken Salazar to the curb if he doesn’t not immediately have every one of the 15+ deepwater offshore drilling sites reevaluated; every evaluation must be on POTUS desk inside 15 days from the date the Executive Order. And we want the evaluations made public — no more of this bullshit opacity the White House calls transparency. No excuses; all this stuff should have been submitted when BP and the other oil industry firms applied for the leases to begin with.

5) Approach corporations to develop an X-Prize type program to develop a private solution in tandem with the skunkworks solution. Ask Congress to create a special R&D tax credit for firms which donate money to the X-Prize for development.

6) Approach Florida State University (which now owns the former Scripps’ Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute and its submersibles) along with Mississippi State (which has an oceanography program) and ask them to work with NIUST to develop models of the plume’s distribution, along with identifying the impact short and long-term on the ocean bottom and the ecosystem above it.

7) Suck up the arrogance and pride and ask the elder statesman of the environment to be the face of this effort. Ask Al Gore to do the legwork with the corporations and educational facilities whose cooperation is needed. Tell him this is to be used as an example of what people can do for the larger environment if they focus on this problem first. If they can solve this, they can solve the big problems.

8) Tell the Catfood Commission (read: Presidential Deficit Commission) to find a way to shoehorn in funding for an alternative energy Apollo Program or Marshall Plan. If you have to find a front man, go to Al Gore because this was his idea back in 1992. Jeebus, catch a clue and use the resources you have already; Gore wrote it all out for you in 1992.

9) Call that lazy-assed sad-sack Joe Lieberman and tell him whatever super-secret-y deal you guys have going in the way of a quid pro quo is off if Lieberman cannot find some reason to investigate the relationships between Department of Interior and any corporation with which it deals. Make the call private, and tell him if he doesn’t have hearings within 15 days you are going to publicly call him on the carpet for the benefit of CT voters every chance you get until 2012.

10) You know damned well if they cut corners in the Gulf of Mexico, they did it elsewhere. Threaten to go for the jugular on them if they don’t continue to play ball with clean-up in the Gulf.Take a bunch of bloggers up to BP’s operations in Alaska and let them roam around for a couple weeks. Make BP pay for it — figure it out, you have the EO in one hand and the power to print money in the other. Keep the pressure on BP until they beg for mercy.

11) And right now I’m tempted to tell one Barack Obama to get really, genuinely excitedly-upset, be more than that Spock character for once, add the passion of Captain Kirk and the anger of Dr. McCoy in the mix. That fakery last week only made us heave with nausea. And Rahm? Just bite me; whatever counsel you’ve offered Mr. Spock-the-President has been both incompetent and impotent.

If I could sit and stew a while longer on this and not elevate my blood pressure, I could come up with a lot more. But I’m sure you have more ideas of your own. What do you want to tell this White House to do about the spill? Be specific, stick to workable suggestions — this is not an invitation to a flame war. Give the Executive Branch plenty of reasons to do something instead of nothing but flogging the media.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby beeline » Mon May 24, 2010 2:45 pm

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Oddsmakers say sea turtle will be spill's first extinction

I suppose this falls into the dark humor category: PaddyPower, Ireland's largest bookmaker, is listing odds of 4/5 that the critically endangered Kemp's Ridley sea turtle will be the first species to become extinct as a direct result of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

The second-most likely species to go extinct, according to the bookmaker, is the bluefin tuna.

It seems there's literally nothing this company WON'T lay odds on. (By the way, you can "take the risk out of volcanic ash spoiling your summer holiday. Simply place a bet on your departure airport closing on your travel date due to volcanic ash," the site proclaims.)

Not long ago, they were saying BP's CEO, Tony Hayward, would resign before the year is out. Now, they're taking bets on who will be next. (Three-to-one for Iain Conn.)

Alas, the Kemp's Ridley sea turtle does, indeed, seem to be at considerable risk. According to a National Marine Fisheries Service web page on the species, 95 percent of the worldwide nesting for the species occurs in the state of Tamaulipas, Mexico, on the Gulf of Mexico. Until now, the greatest cause of decline and the continuing primary threat to Kemp's ridleys, the service says, is incidental capture in fishing gear, primarily in shrimp trawls.

Other species and odds on the PaddyPower list:

6/4 Bluefin Tuna
8/1 Leatherback Sea Turtle
8/1 Brown Pelicans
12/1 Loggerhead Turtle
16/1 Sperm Whale
16/1 Blue Whale
20/1 Gulf Sturgeon
20/1 Smalltooth Sawfish
20/1 Elkhorn Coral
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Fixx » Mon May 24, 2010 3:45 pm

CW Roberts employees demonstrating the use of hay to assist in a defense against the oil spill in the Gulf. This is the method that is included in the Walton County Plan of Action.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 24, 2010 4:18 pm

Has anyone mentioned it might be raining oil when hurricane season starts? Heard on the radio this morning
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Postby Perelandra » Mon May 24, 2010 5:19 pm

Fixx wrote:CW Roberts employees demonstrating the use of hay to assist in a defense against the oil spill in the Gulf. This is the method that is included in the Walton County Plan of Action.


Bravo to them for their efforts, although I can't imagine the quantity of hay required or the logistics of cleaning it up.

Nordic wrote:Isn't it easier to clean up the oil if it's floating on the surface and all globbed together?

I submit that dispersants are being used to HIDE the damage.
From what I've read, the oil is already fairly well mixed with the water after coming up from ~5,000 feet. I tend to agree with your second statement and certainly they're being used irresponsibly.
“There is a certain amount of toxicity,” said Robin Rorick, director of marine and security operations at the American Petroleum Institute. “We view dispersant use as a tool in a toolbox. It’s a function of conducting a net environmental benefit analysis and determining the best bang for your buck.”

Charter, the marine expert, cautioned the dispersants should be carefully considered for the right reasons.

“Right now there is a headlong rush to get this oil out of sight out of mind,” Charter said. “You can throw every resource we have at this spill. You can call out the Marine Corps and the National Guard. This is so big that it is unlikely that any amount of response is going to make much of a dent in the impacts. It’s going to be mostly watching it happen.”
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Mon May 24, 2010 7:30 pm

U.S. declares fishery disaster in 3 Gulf states

May 24, 2010

"We are taking this action today because of the potentially significant economic hardship this spill may cause fishermen and the businesses and communities that depend on those fisheries," Locke said in a statement.

"The disaster determination will help ensure that the Federal government is in a position to mobilize the full range of assistance that fishermen and fishing communities may need," he said.

Louisiana's $2.4 billion seafood industry supplies up to 40 percent of U.S. seafood supply and employs over 27,000 people. The state is the second-biggest U.S. seafood harvester and the top provider of shrimp, oysters, crab and crawfish.

The Commerce Department said the disaster declaration was made in response to requests from Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour.

The statement did not give any figures or say when funds would be dispersed.

Gulf of Mexico states have lost access to many commercial fisheries as a blown-out oil well spews hundreds of thousands of gallons (liters) of oil into the Gulf every day, a disaster that threatens to become the worst U.S. oil spill in history.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64N5TT20100524?type=domesticNews
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Mon May 24, 2010 7:40 pm

Despite spill, 'all systems go' for Shrimp and Petroleum Fest

Monday, 24 May 2010

Planning for the 75th annual Louisiana Shrimp and Petroleum Festival, the state's oldest chartered harvest festival, has not been dampened by the ongoing oil spill in the Gulf — a spill that has threatened the livelihood of many state shrimpers. The festival's Web site still proudly proclaims, "this is an event that will prove that oil and water really do mix," and "the festival also emphasizes the unique way in which these two seemingly different industries work hand-in-hand culturally and environmentally in this area of the 'Cajun Coast.'"

Interviewed for a story in yesterday's New York Times, festival organizer Lee Delaune says the event will take place as scheduled, Sept. 2 - 6, replete with the American Petroleum Institute golf tournament, the parish priest's blessing of the boats and, of course, the coronation of the Shrimp and Petroleum king and queen.

http://www.theind.com/news/6276-despite ... oleum-fest

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Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon May 24, 2010 11:08 pm

Ironic, isn't it? Funny stuff. Lets pretend everything is Okay. It wouldn't surprise me to find that OIl sponsors/underwrites that festival.
The NYT has a truer title... Despite Leak, Louisiana Is Still Devoted to Oil
Noticed the crown and septre. It has a diamond oil derrick w/a shrimp tangled in its structure
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Happenings today-
Still delay on Corp approval, so no coherent state plan of attack. Individual Parishes are left to their own abilities and devices in regard to doing anything.
Jefferson is dredging trying to protect its lower area.

On the east side of the river, Nunguesser (Plaq. Parish Pres) is a cowboy. You may have seen him on TV. Just saw him appear on Anderson Cooper/CNN, he's becoming a go-to guy to feed media who are looking for an interesting sub-story. What he lacks in education, fashion sense, or more importantly, resources and financing, he makes up for in gumption. He's a loose cannon on the outer edges of the coast, and not afraid to do what he thinks needs doing. Crude but loveable, telling it like it is. He's going to set up a field lab to test all the ideas/products people have sent him to try, straw being among them.

Traveling around today, I smelled a faint whiff here and there, but not bad.

Hundereds (it seems) of shrimpers are retrofitting their boats to accommodate booms, going out and corralling oil.
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Postby crikkett » Tue May 25, 2010 12:51 am

DoYouEverWonder wrote:U.S. declares fishery disaster in 3 Gulf states

"Louisiana's $2.4 billion seafood industry supplies up to 40 percent of U.S. seafood supply and employs over 27,000 people. The state is the second-biggest U.S. seafood harvester and the top provider of shrimp, oysters, crab and crawfish."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64N5TT20100524?type=domesticNews


So to wrap my head around this out loud, 27,000 people used to provide 40% of the US (120,000,000 of 300,000,000 people as of Oct 2006) with the fish that they ate for a year.

And that's going away.

Wow.

Damn.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue May 25, 2010 1:17 am

Its a shame the government can't do as RFK Jr.'s partner suggests...he also suggests this leak may not be able to be stopped at all.

This sounds like a plan to capture the oil BEFORE it hits the coast. Good watch, imo.

Mike Papantonio on Hardball-"Bring In Tankers To Siphon Up The Oil"-5/24/10
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue May 25, 2010 10:38 am

Update:

Posted: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 8:30AM

Attorney General says he expects berm approval very soon

Chris Miller Reporting

Work to build barrier islands to buffer the wetlands from the oil slick could begin soon. Top state officials expect to have the approval they need to get it done.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said the Army Corps of Engineers asked him for additional information on the plan to rebuild barrier islands using dredged material, and he's provided that info. Attorney General Buddy Caldwell says the next step is Coast Guard approval.

"They've agreed to send this permit on for the 'interagency review' that's going to be with Admiral Thad Allen," said Caldwell. "I can't imagine that there's going to be any further problem with it."

But Admiral Allen says he is concerned the resources that would be used to build the islands might be better used on more immediate action.

"Building a set of barrier islands on berms that large is going to take a very, very long time," Allen said. He says the Coast Guard is looking at every aspect of the proposal.

Governor Jindal says it will be far easier to clean crude oil off of a sand berm than it would be to clean the marsh. He contends the sand barriers built across gaps in Elmers Island (pictured) proves it.

Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser says it may take months to complete the project, but he said sand could be piled above the waterline within days of the project getting started.

"It'll take ten days to get (the dredges) into position to start pumping," Nungesser said, "but the first day...you will see a berm coming out of the water."

http://www.wwl.com/Attorney-General-say ... er/7314035
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Tue May 25, 2010 10:58 am

Matt Simmons, MSNBC yesterday on The Dylan Ratigan Show ("Simmons & Company is the only independent investment bank specializing in the entire spectrum of the energy industry")

About half way into the video:

"A couple of weeks ago you said this would be a developing global tragedy. You were very skeptical about anybody's ability...to stop that oil spill. Do you remain as skeptical today as you were then?"

"No, I think I was being pretty optimistic two weeks ago.... The thing we need to be terrified about is there might be no way to put this out other than waiting until the giant oil field depletes, which could be 9,000 days."

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Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue May 25, 2010 11:13 am

I'll say this, if 'top kill' doesn't work, and the gov't leaves us here and the oil continues to spill with this PATHETIC response, It is going to be mayhem here. Fucking ARMAGEDDON.
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