Huge explosion in Oslo

[vanlose kid]

I don't think Breivik and Fjordman are the same person. I read yesterday that Fjordman had been posting though the day on Friday. Sorry, don't have a link at present.

EDIT: okay, here's a typical one. Inconclusive.

you may be right b. here's the follow up:

Anders Breivik, Norwegian Terror Suspect, Admirer of Israel, Avigdor Lieberman

The death toll from the savage attack in Norway has risen to 92 today. Anders Breivik, a radical rightist who posted regularly to a neo-Nazi internet forum, is the only suspect arrested so far in the killings. Electronic Intifada published excerpts of a 1,500 page magnum opus written by Breivik which portray his political philosophy. Here, CNN covers the story of manifesto from a slightly different vantage than the one below. For example, given the killer’s use of steroids and testosterone supplements, one speculates on the role they may’ve played in his rage-filled spree.

Chief among his enemies are Muslims and those non-Muslims who, in his mind, facilitate the triumph of Islam in the west. That’s why he specifically attacked the seat of national government and a youth camp sponsored by the ruling Labor Party. The Norwegian terrorist has an obsession with Marxism, and apparently equates the current left of center government with that ideology. Alex Kane notes that the day before the attack on the island camp, it held a Palestine solidarity rally (an event which would’ve repelled the killer). He viewed the country’s leaders as aiding and abetting Muslim terror, and multiculturalism as the poison by which Islam could spread itself throughout the west.

In his writings, he expresses the belief that one glorious act of terror could foment a huge Muslim counter-reaction which would allow a rightist coup to take over both Norwegian and European governments. The only problem with this scenario is that he attacked Norwegian targets and not Muslims ones. That’s what is most inexplicable about this incident. Given his hatred of Islam and his belief that it is at the core of the rot that affects the world, why wouldn’t he target Norwegian Muslims? That’s doubtless something the investigators have asked him during interrogation.

Breivik viewed Israel as an ally in the war against Islam. Alex Kane tweets that he wrote:

“Let’s end stupid support for Palestinians…start supporting our cultural cousin, Israel.”

He also wrote this:

Cultural conservatives believe Israel has a right to protect itself against Jihad…Sensible people should support Zionism (Israeli nationalism) which is Israel’s right to self-defence against Jihad.

More excerpts from his manifesto:

* If one acknowledges that Islam has always oppressed the Jews, one accepts that Israel was a necessary refuge for the Jews fleeing not only the European but also the Islamic variety of anti-Judaism.

* Since the break-up of the Islamic Empire following World War I, various jihads have been fought around the globe by the independent Muslim nations and sub-state jihadist groups. The most sustained effort has been directed against Israel, which has committed the unpardonable sin of rebuilding dar al-harb on land formerly a part of dar al-Islam.

* How can anyone delete the horror of Muslim oppression over Christians and Jews which lasted for centuries and stretched over continents?

* Western Journalists again and again systematically ignore serious Muslim attacks and rather focus on the Jews, [which] only adds to the stockpile of proof that all Western journalists support the EU’s Eurabia project, [and] their enemy (based on coverage) is the Israeli…government…

* Were the majority of the German and European Jews disloyal? Yes, at least the so called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that oppose nationalism/Zionism and support multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists….So, are the current Jews in Europe and US disloyal? The multiculturalist (nation-wrecking) Jews ARE, while the conservative Jews ARE NOT. Aprox. 75% of European/US Jews support multiculturalism while aprox. 50% of Israeli Jews does the same. This shows very clearly that we must embrace the remaining loyal Jews as brothers rather than repeating the mistake of the NSDAP. Whenever I discuss the Middle East issue with a national socialist he presents the anti-Israeli and pro-Palestine argument. He always seem unaware of the fact that his propaganda is hurting Israeli nationalists (who want to deport the Muslims from Israel) and that he is in fact helping the Israeli cultural Marxists/multiculturalists with his argumentation.

Ali Abunimah notes he especially admires Avigdor Lieberman and his Yisrael Beitenu Party. Outside Israel, he also follows the writing of Pam Geller, Robert Spencer (referenced 46 times in the Breivik manifesto) and Daniel Pipes (11 times). Yesterday, I quoted a Norwegian website which claimed that Breivik had identified himself as Fjordman, a regular contributor to the anti-jihadi blogs mentioned above. Geller has denied a connection, as has Gates of Vienna, and it’s possible they are right. I haven’t seen definitive evidence that either proves Breivik and Fjordman are the same or that they aren’t. I will say though that Breivik’s writings under his own name show a much greater predilection toward violence; Fjordman’s, while equally radical, seem satisfied to remain in the realm of political theory, rather than action.

But even if they are not one and the same, the fact that Breivik’s intellectual-political philosophy is inspired by each of them is a sign of the cesspool of hate found there. Just as settler rabbis held a pulsa di nura excommunicating Yitzhak Rabin before his assassination; just as Bibi Netanyahu fired up a crowd featuring pictures of Yitzhak Rabin dressed in an SS uniform shortly before the assassination, so did the intellectual content of these websites shape the world-view of the assassin.

I do not want to even think about what I would do if someone who’d praised or linked favorably to my work went on a murderous spree. I’d like to think that the very nature of my beliefs would militate against violence. But I sure as hell know I wouldn’t do what Geller’s done, which is to completely avoid any serious deliberation or reflection on the issue. She’s not responsible she writes in a post about mass murder which is rather inappropriately titled, Heads Explode. Rather “the left” is responsible for associating her in any way with the violence:

This is war. And the left is vicious, amoral and depraved. They mean to win, and that is the only way they know how.

Indeed, Anders Breivik couldn’t have put it any better himself. As for me, I’d certainly denounce the deed and its author if they praised me, something I doubt you’ll hear from the keyboards of Pam Geller, Spencer or Pipes.

To give you an impression of the depths of self-delusion such pathological types are capable of, note this self-portrait:

I consider myself to be a laid back type and quite tolerant on most issues. Due to the fact that I have been exposed to decades of multicultural indoctrination I feel a need to emphasise that I am not in fact a racist and never have been.

The “laid back, quite tolerant” mass murderer. A new personality type in the annals of deviant psychology.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/

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[barracuda]

if much of the manifesto is a copy paste with redaction of Kaczynski's, that would explain some of the questions Mac raised re Brevik's english.

Kaczynski's Industrial Society and its Future is only fifty pages long or so, whereas the Breivik's European Declaration is over 1500. It seems as if large amounts of the declaration are copy-paste, but there is also a great deal of original writing there, e.g., most of the Justiciar Knight material.

It sounds as if Breivik is hoping to make some sort of ideological statement at his hearing on Monday.

Did Berwick, or whatever he's called, do your Norwegian version of National Service, the conscription into the armed forces for all male youth?

According to wiki he completed service in the Norweigian army.

[barracuda]

Breivik's interview with himself:

What tipped the scales for you? What particular things pushed you to plan the attack?
For me personally it was our government's involvement (engagement) with/in the attack on Serbia (NATO bombing in 1999) several years ago. It was completely unacceptable the way the U.S. and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers. There have been many other cases that have strengthened my resolve. Among them, my government's cowardly handling of the Muhammed cartoons, and their decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to an Islamic terrorist (Arafat). There have been dozens of other questions. My government and our media capitulated to Islam years ago, after the Rushdie incident. Since then it has snowballed. Thousands of Muslims stream in each year through the asylum, institutions, or family connections in Norway.

What would you say to your European brothers and sisters?
Know that you are not alone in this fight. We have tens of millions of European sympathizers and tens of thousands of brothers and sisters who support us fully and are willing to fight beside us. Hopefully I will be able to help and inspire others. Build your network on Facebook. Follow the guidelines in this book and you will succeed!

Name one living person you want to meet?
Pope or Vladimir Putin. Putin seems like a fair and resolute leader worthy of respect. I'm not sure at this point if he has the potential to be our best friend or our worst enemy. He is very difficult to psychoanalyze. I would not want to be his enemy, that's for sure. Obviously, he will have to condemn this [attack]. It's understandable.

If you were to use a word for the ideology or movement that you represent, what would it be?
Cultural conservatism, or a nationalist/conservative orientation known as the Vienna school of thought. As for the political movement, I would describe it as a National Resistance Movement, an Indigenous Rights Movement or even a Right-revolutionary movement.

Are you optimistic?
I am very optimistic. Cultural Marxism/multiculturalism, especially in combination with Islam, will defeat itself. The justification for this claim is that the cultural Marxist and Islamic alliance will not last. When the window of opportunity comes, we must be ready to seize the political and military control of all funds. When the time comes, we must not hesitate. We must risk everything for the chance to get our freedom and secure freedom for our relatives again. I have prepared myself mentally for a very long time and I would like to sacrifice my life for the benefit of my European brothers and sisters.

You said you have pure genealogy?
I am very proud of my Viking heritage. My name, Breivik, is a place name from Northern Norway, dating back to before the Viking era. Behring is a pre-Christian Germanic name derived from Behr, the Germanic word for Bear (or "those who are protected by the bear").

I suppose you wanted to tell your friends about this. Has it been difficult to live a "double life"?
First it was extremely difficult to avoid the temptation to tell your closest friends. I decided however to retain all relevant information. Revealing sensitive information to any of them would put them in a difficult spot, because they would be required by law to report this information to the authorities. It would also pose a serious threat to me if they decided to tell anyone.

What motivates you? How have you managed to stay focused and motivated for more than 8 years? Is it bitterness and hatred against the so-called "cultural Marxist/the multiculturalism wonderful elites," or maybe towards Islam?

No, not at all. If they (the cultural Marxists) against all odds, gave up on multiculturalism tomorrow, if they stopped all Muslim immigration and started the deportation of all Muslims, I would forgive them for their past crimes. If they refuse to surrender until 2020, there will be no turning back. We will eventually wipe out every single one of them. I do not hate Muslims at all. I acknowledge that there are magnificent Muslim individuals in Europe. In fact, I have had several Muslim friends over the years, some who I still respect. This does not mean that I will accept an Islamic presence in Europe. Muslim individuals who are not assimilated 100% by 2020, will be deported as soon as we manage to seize power. Although I admit that I am sick of the current development, I would say I'm driven by my love for Europe, European culture and Europeans. This does not mean I'm against diversity. But valuing diversity does not mean you support the genocide of your own culture and people.

How did you first involved in your current activities?
When I was around 16-17 years old, I joined the Progressive Party's youth organization (FPU), which was anti-immigration and pro-free market. Every journalist in the country considered the party's members to be racist because of their anti-immigration platform. The Progress Party was under constant attack from every media organization, from NGOs and all other political parties. They were called racists and Nazis, and were generally labeled "fascist pigs." The Progress Party appealed to me because I had seen the hypocrisy in society, and I knew even then that they were the only party that opposed multiculturalism.

Around 2000, I realized that the democratic struggle against the Islamization of Europe, and European multiculturalism, was lost. It is simply not possible to compete with democratic regimes that import millions of voters. 40 years of dialogue with the cultural Marxists / multiculturalists had ended up as a disaster. It would now only take 50-70 years before we, Europeans, were the minority. So I decided to explore alternative forms of opposition. But the biggest problem then was that there were no options for me at all. There was no known armed culturally conservative, or Christian, anti-Jihad movement.

[wordspeak2]

An interview with himself? Pretty bizarre.

If it was a psy-op (or even if it's not) my assumption would not be that it has anything to do with Israel/Palestine, but that it's an attack on the notion of Scandinavian social democracy. Norway epitomizes it, and the ruling party was social democratic. From Wikipedia:
The country maintains a Nordic welfare model with universal health care, subsidized higher education, and a comprehensive social security system. From 2001 to 2007,[13] and then again in 2009 and 2010, Norway had the highest human development index ranking in the world.[14]

That's what seems to be behind the guy's language of "Marxist multiculturalism," etc.
And if you want to kill the future of happy social democracy, I guess there's no better way than *killing the future.*

[Brentos]

but reading through the manifesto and diaries (cf., the quote above), i'm tending more towards this being a lone wolf. this was planned out and executed meticulously

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I'll repost this link, due to the close similarities to the unabomber's manifesto:
http://unabombers.com/

and caution that ted may have never actually been the creator of his manifesto (or the bombs themselves), or at the least may of had assistance.

Brevik's dislike of immigrants, and the supposed flooding of them in norway, should of made them easy targets for the gunman. Again, not saying he didnt fire the bullets, just it's very odd.
There is a mcveigh quality to brevik as well.

[vanlose kid]

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yeah, well, i think the Kaczynski link had more to do with Breivik's penchant for copy pasting what was already written. according to a poster on Gates of Vienna who's been reading and annotating his manifesto:

eriksson said... 19

I continue to read through the mass murderer's manifesto:

Gates of Vienna is cited as a source 88 times.
Fjordman is mentioned 111 times.

You guys are going to be famous.

also note that Breivik's co-travelers (some of them) are of the view that:

scherado said... 24

I was mid-way through writing something about this when I read the Vienna posting.

I'm not buying it.

I smell a rat. There may be problems in translation from Norwegian to English; I do not know...

My money is on him being a Left Loony sacrificing himself for the grand cause
7/24/2011 8:55 AM

they seem to believe the multicultural marxist conspiracy.

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[AhabsOtherLeg]

If it was a psy-op (or even if it's not) my assumption would not be that it has anything to do with Israel/Palestine, but that it's an attack on the notion of Scandinavian social democracy.

That's what it reads as, for the most part. Islam, or imagined Islamicization, is mostly just used as a springboard for him to talk about "internal enemies" - the same old traitors and "cultural Marxists" with their "multikulti" that the European, especially Scandinavian, far-right has been going on about for decades. Sadly, I see quite a lot of this stuff on European forums (mostly video games forums too, not openly white supremacist or anti-left sites) including all the Templar and Crusader imagery, with it's emphases on a warped conception of knightly brotherhood, self-sacrifice, justice, and purity/chastity. The people who talk this way are mocked and dismissed as cranks, rightly so. It seems some of them are serious though - as in serious. It's been bubbling away here for a long time. Hundreds of years, really.

He has some pretty unique slants on it that I don't think you'd find in Kaczynski or McVeigh or anyone other manifestoes so far, though, except maybe that of Heaven's Gate or, going back a bit, the Skoptsy sect. Assuming he wrote this, of course:

The difference between an agent and a Justiciar Knight is that the latter will be willing to make a great sacrifice for the purpose of proper validation. Now what kind of sacrifice would be great enough to remove all doubt that the candidate is not a EU/US agent? A Justiciar Knight is willing to martyr himself for the cause while a EU/US agent will not be willing to sacrifice much. The entity should demand that the alleged Justiciar Knight in question surgically remove his penis and testicles and/or execute a fixed number of civilian children. While this requirement seems morbid, absurd and unreasonable, it is perhaps the most effective method of confirming the intentions of an individual. Because why would one of the sides part with a powerful weapon which worth exceeds perhaps 100 million Euros? The party would need to make 100% sure that the proxy is trustworthy. A government agent could and would never accept these terms to maintain his cover, but a true Justiciar Knight would willingly sacrifice everything for the cause, including committing smaller atrocities as long as it served the greater good of our cause. He would also be willing to part with these body parts in order to confirm his intent in this validation process. In any case, the entity would have to provide a surgical team to safely complete the operation without risk of loss of life for the Justiciar Knight.

End note: a CIA/EU intelligence agent with a lethal/terminal disease/virus/cancer might be willing to agree to this sacrifice. Therefore, the party has to complete a full medical examination to ensure that the candidate does not suffer from any lethal, terminal condition. If the candidate suffers from a potentially lethal condition he should not be trusted as it is likely that he is an agent working for the US/EU hegemony. Furthermore, the candidate has to provide documentation that he has the professional capabilities required to employ an operation of that scale.

Sounds to me like whoever wrote this had/has an interest in sexual "nullification" that goes beyond being just a practical screening process for membership of his new theoretical Templar military wing. Templar vows - chastity, poverty, obedience to the Master. "To receive no service nor attendance from a woman and to shun feminine kisses." I doubt Breivik had much trouble avoiding those things.

It's funny how close his new Templars are in concept and action to the type of believers in jihad bis saif he claims to hate/be fighting against.

[MacCruiskeen]

If "Andrew Berwick" (whoever "Andrew Berwick" is) plagiarised Kaczynski, then it's quite likely he plagiarised other writers too, including some who are even more obscure than Kaczynski. There no telling how much of it, if any, was written by Mr. Berwick himself, or (more likely) himselves.

More than 1500 pages! That's half the length of Proust. Maybe there's some Proust in it, who knows.

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Meanwhile, the plot thickens. The police say they couldn't use a helicopter to reach the island quickly because the only one available was far away in the south of Norway. None in Oslo, apparently. Nor could any be requisitioned from the army, neither for love nor money. No medical helicopters either, no siree, nor any search-and-rescue helicopters anywhere in that quaint, snowy, mountainous land. Not a helicopter to be had anywhere in Norway. Tough titty. It was just those lucky bastards of TV journalists who could film the massacre from their helicopter to their hearts' content:



That's why the police had to drive for 20-odd minutes to the shoreline, wait 15 minutes for a boat to turn up, and then nearly sink that boat by overloading it with heavy equipment of some kind, before eventually making it across the water and disarming the gunman 60-90 minutes (reports vary) after the first desperate mobile-phone-calls. It all makes perfect sense.

Alternative explanation, also given by the police:

16.40 Referring to questions about the police helicopters and why they did not land or pick up people: "As far as police helicopters go, they are not suitable for these scenarios and do not have passenger carrying capabilities."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... erage.html

Then there's the version that it would have been "too dangerous" to use a helicopter, because the guy was armed with pistols, after all.

So take your pick. It all makes perfect sense.

In any case, the police were being attacked by trolls, gnomes and kobolds at the time, if I've understood this correctly.

Meanwhile, the people who live on the mainland close to the island could hear the shooting and screaming, and could see children swimming for their lives. These local inhabitants were "frustrated, desperate, helpless and angry", and left entirely to their own devices, although we've heard nothing about this in any British or US media reports I've seen:

"I was completely desperate, there was nobody", said Otterbech to Dagbladet. "I called emergency and asked: Where is the rescue helicopter, where is the police helicopter, where are the ambulances, where are the medical personnel?"

Get yourelf to a safe place

He spoke to the AMK (Norwegian Medical Emergency Call Centre) three times between 18.15 and 19.09. The shooting on Utøya ended at around 18.30 when Anders Behring Breivik was arrested.

"When I talked to the AMK, I was told they had no opportunity to send any ambulances or personnel in because the police had cleared the area, and that it was dangerous. Then I was asked to get myself to safety. It was simply impossible", says Otterbech.

"In the first batch, we took in 150 young people. We heard cries for help from the water, and they were taken up by boats and shipped to us. I was one of many who probably called 113, but we never saw any ambulances", says Otterbech.

Frustrated, desperate, helpless and angry

At 19.09 Otterbech got a call from the AMK. He was then told that it was unsafe to be where he was, and that he had to get himself to safety.

"But it was not an option, it was unthinkable, really. In total, we took in about 250 young people. We were frustrated and desperate, we felt helpless and wondered what was going on. And dammit, I certainly was too. This will not do", said Otterbech.

From the campsite where Otterbech stood it's about 300-400 metres over to Utøya. The young people who had experienced the shooting nightmare were treated on the land of private individuals, and later taken - also by civilians - to Sundvolden hotel, where they received medical assistance, explained Otterbech.

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If it hadn't been for the bravery and independent action of those people, the death toll would undoubtedly have been much higher.

[8bitagent]

So the reason he killed all those kids was to kill "future labor party leaders" who would "continue the floodgates of Muslim immigrants, multiculturalism and marxism"?

Look at this whackjob on the comment section here

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07 ... ?hpt=hp_t2

sharialayer: The revolution begins Monday. All Muslims will be purged.
EXPECT US

No you do not get it. He killed 100 future politicians that would have opened up the flood gates and allowed the Muslims to invade their lands and rape their women. He is a hero. He is a genious. Those kids were attending a brainwashing political camp that tells the kids that the muslims should be allowed to take over parts of their lands and convert them to Sharia law. He is a hero.

*edit* looks like comments removed. But it seems this Anders already has followers(or did he, BEFORE the attack)

You would rather he be tortured to death?

I see that he spent some time in London when his dad was working at the Embassy: so probably quite a good English speaker.

God no. Not even remotely treated badly. I'm just saying, 21 years is the maximum he could face in those cushy Ikea prisons. I realize Norway is a much different society. A very light, trusting society. I'm sure other places like Nova Scotia or New Zealand are similar.

But it's an evil brilliant plan, for him to know he can be a "militant leader/commander" from behind bars and noone can do anything

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[8bitagent]

The world is in "danger" of being rocked by some serious and possibly violent resistance to this "new autsterity.". Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and coming soon to a country near you.

People are angry and helpless. People want to do something.

Check this out:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23708

Just read this. Made me extremely angry. (WHERE is any discussion of ending the wars? Where is any discussion of raising taxes on the wealthy, or at least the super-wealthy? Where is any discussion of making corporations, 61% of which didn't pay any income tax, pay their fair share? No, it's about raiding Medicaire and SS and they are gung ho on doing this and nothing is going to stop them, the FUCKERS)

And then this, which has gotten zero press but which is a VERY big deal:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=23716

Holy shit, right?

It does seem like everything is converging and coming to a head as we coast in 2012. DSK being taken out of the picture so the IMF can really run wild on Greece and Europe, riots in Greece, England, and other parts of Europe. And here in America, we have the Rush/Beck monsters used to divide and pump people full of direct targeted fear. I admit I am a bit worried about the august 2nd deadline, but that "supreme panel of 12" doesn't sound right

There's a lot fishy about this guy, and this case, and this situation. He seems created, fake, like a cyber character from some video game, like a character FROM a video game that's been released into the real world, like in some bad sci fi movie.

So who is he really?

Oh yeah, the pictures/profile/manifesto...so perfect. Usually even successful terrorists(patsies or not) are not so cunning, exacting and methodical. Maybe this is the next phase in the dialectic: after puppeteering and manipulating "jihadis" to stir up a decade plus of crazyness, to then provocateur the counter act by way of white violent anti Muslim extremism. As said by a lot of you, strategy of tension

Now for arguments sake, IF he acted alone...I find it definitely significant to parapolitics...as it may be a harbinger without him even truly realizing it. I now have no reason to believe this is some "false flag" attack from within the Norwegian government, unless it was right wing sympathizers. As noted, if it was a wider conspiracy it would seem to be an attack or message against Norway, but even beyond that a much broader strategy of tension

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[StarmanSkye]

These attacks against Nowegian civil society allegedly by a lone-nut right-wing nationalist anglophile political-extremist -- WHAT could he possibly have expected would be the desired result -- a wave of galvanized rightwing solidarity in inspired support in 'battling' the insidious spread of Marxist multicultural subversion? How would this be achieved by killing Norwegian citizens esp. young adults?

Does anyone want to try to analyze Brevik's thinking, what could he have expected that would advance his agenda -- or is it just TOO bizarre and twisted to follow?

I suppose the 'answer' may best be found in distilling the public reaction int he weeks and months to come. Possibly he'd hoped to inflame intense public dialogue about the negative, destabilizing effect of Muslim immigration on displacing and diffusing strong euro-ethnic nationalism.

I admit tho, I'm really puzzled. From a strategic perspective, he'd have accomplished more (in line with his manifesto aims) by waging an anonymous public bombing campaign targetting strong Norwegian-heritage institutions which rightwing sources would invariably blame on Muslim Extremists, nay?

To me, this horrific event underscores the delusionary pathology of extremist thinking esp. one that justifies indiscriminate violence as an acceptable, even necessary end-justifies-means methodology.

[vanlose kid]

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Then there's the version that it would have been "too dangerous" to use a helicopter, because the guy was armed with pistols, after all.

So take your pick. It all makes perfect sense.

In any case, the police were being attacked by trolls, gnomes and kobolds at the time, if I've understood this correctly.

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i don't know which of the excuses the police offered up i should take Mac, but when i said it all makes perfect sense i was referring to Breivik's planning (occupy the police with the *money* target/diversion: Oslo, while taking out a secondary "easy" target as per his manifesto), plus the fact that this is Norway. that last, in particular, make sense to me. same with the police take down that some did not find prejudicial to the necessary extremes. the one cop security on the island died during the attack. it's Norway, what can i say? the grauniad called the Norse naive.

scandinavian politicians regularly walk around town without any security in their freetime, they take pride in it: think Palme, Anna Lindh.

Policeman killed in Utøya
Was in private security work for AUF camp.
Harald S. Klungtveit Harald S. Klungtveit


(Dagbladet): A police officer who was hired privately by Labour Youth League summer camp as a guard, were killed by the perpetrator in the shooting drama at Utøya.

- I can confirm that a member of the Oslo Police Association is killed. It is a very sad message to get to our oss.Tankene go to the nearest of his family, but also to all those who have lost a loved one, says Sigve Bolstad of the Oslo Police Association told Dagbladet.

At a press conference in the afternoon informed Deputy Police Sveinung Sponheim on Dagbladet's question that a policeman was present, but clearly did not immediately state the person.

There has been a police officer there in private paid overtime, said Sponheim.

Yesterday, Dagbladet information that a policeman "civil" was waiting for the boat with Anders Behring Breivik, after the people on the land it had given notice that what they thought was a uniformed police officer was on his way.

Thus, the guard hired by the officer have been among the shooter's first victim. Police have not confirmed the incident.

- We do not know, what we get clarified through the investigation, said Sponheim questions about how the cop was on the island.

Since he was not on duty that night, had the deceased probably not protective equipment or lines on them.

Oslo police would tonight not give further details about the policeman.



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