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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Elvis » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:41 pm

Nordic wrote:Anybody notice yet that these are two different people?

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I thought it right away, the red-haired version didn't look anything like the other picture I'd seen, but I didn't have them to directly compare them, and I honestly didn't think anyone would make THAT big and obvious a mistake, so I sorta blew it off. I remembered mainly the eye color and the expression being radically different. And I've seen people who are addicts look very very different when they're using. And the red-haired version is very obviously on some heavy meds of some kind. God only knows what.

But now that someone has put this picture out, I'm like gob-smacking myself for not doing a direct comparison earlier.

I mean, c'mon. It's either a similar but different person OR he got a nose job. So which is it?


Nordic, are you sure it isn't the effect of different lenses? The first photo looks like it was taken at close range with a cell phone camera or webcam, and they're typically wide angle, which tends to flatten the nose, especially close up. The second photo, a mugshot, would be taken from a proper distance with something like a 'normal' lens for the proper perspective.

I photograph a lot of faces at my job, and experiment with focal length and subject distance; using a wider lens definitely makes a face---especially the nose---look fatter and wider.
So, I'm thinking the combination of a wide lens, close proximity, and his face-stretching mug make the second photo look like a different nose.

Maybe I'll do some experiments at work today...speaking of which, gotta dash!
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:49 pm

Also mentioned Gulioni/security firms at 7/7 (w/drills)...

Talked about the drill/exercise of the exact theater shooting being pulled from online. Mother saying police are lying and not letting her see him. RAND corp. ...Kubric made fun of them in Dr.Strangelove w/ 'BLAND corp.' (interesting)

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:53 pm

Elvis wrote:
Nordic wrote:Anybody notice yet that these are two different people?

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For the record, this is what a side by side comparison should look like if it's the same person.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby yathrib » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:54 pm

The "Catcher in the Rye" thing has never been explained too well. Mind control through overrated pretentiousness? Whatever... Also, I went over to Vigilant Citizen. Maybe I would take that sort of thing more seriously if they stopped blathering about the "Illuminati," or "illuminati symbolism," whatever that is. AT the very least, they should explain just who and what the illuminati are to them and why they're so eeeevvvilll. Until then, they should just blame the devil, which is what I think they're actually doing anyway. At least then it would be clear to anyone with any remaining critical faculties that they're superstitious yahoos.

On a personal note, I read Catcher in the Rye in a community college course I took the summer before going to real college. I fell asleep ten pages in. It was so uninteresting to me I went against my deeply held ethics and bought the Cliff Notes. Maybe those ten pages turned me into a mind controlled sleeper agent, so to speak...


2012 Countdown wrote:edit- okay, he made an interesting comment. He goes through how all the mind control suspects have Catcher in the Rye or key books. Speculates that maybe the 'controllers' now have moved the programming to movies (since no one reads anymore).

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:04 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/ex ... mailed-to/

Luther Blissett wrote:This is exclusive to Fox News, so take it for what it's worth:

AURORA, Colo. –  James Holmes, the accused gunman in last Friday's midnight movie massacre in Colorado, mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, but the parcel sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, a law enforcement source told FoxNews.com


Also, my nose doesn't change that drastically if I scrunch my face up, even pretty drastically.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:06 pm


Aurora Shooting Mirrored Training Exercise on Same Day Near Denver
July 22, 2012 by legitgov

Correction: Monday's CLG Newsletter lead included the following headline, 'Aurora Shooting Mirrored Training Exercise on Same Day Near Denver.' I linked to a summary of a 21 July article, 'Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school,' written by Nancy Lofholm of The Denver Post. The first sentence of the article read, "The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day." Ms. Lofholm kindly informed me of the following correction: "The movie-shooting exercise didn't happen until the day after the shooting. The school was using three scenarios and that was one of them." The exercises were "on-going" and took place Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. They were part of two weeks of general disaster training. I want to express my thanks to Ms. Lofholm for this info! I am passing this correction along to CLG readers with my apologies for implying that the Aurora shooting exercise took place on the same day that the theater incident was unfolding, when, in fact, that particular training exercise transpired after the shooting, on Saturday. --LRP 23 Jul 2012

Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school --'The irony is amazing, just amazing.' 21 Jul 2012 The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. "The irony is amazing, just amazing," said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:07 pm

Who's being interviewed again, 2012?

2012 Countdown wrote:2. UN Treaty/going to try to limit gun purchase/ownership


Nah, the treaty only effects international imports/exports. It might effect gun enthusiasts in the US if they want to buy a Dragunov or something, but otherwise shouldn't bother them (it will anyway though). I don't have strong views on gun control, and don't think it is practical to ban guns the way things are, but a law should be introduced to make medical training to paramedic level a prerequisite for a gun license, and anyone who carries a gun (concealed or open carry) should also be legally obliged to carry a full trauma/triage kit and be competent in it's use. If they were really interested in saving lives that would be the best way to do it.

2012 Countdown wrote:3. NSA whistleblowers came to him but they are doing 'vacuum cleaner sweeps' and threats to them.


They went to Holmes?! Or Jones? I've forgotten who is being interviewed here.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:11 pm

haha, Wayne Madsen...so take that for what its worth.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby yathrib » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:15 pm

In this otherwise pretty pedestrian article:

"The other thing that we're seeing -- and we've seen some of this behavior in the past couple months -- might suggest mania. Meaning hyperactivity, hyper energy, been possibly up and not sleeping for days. What we might be seeing here is the post effects."


For the past couple months? He's described as a loner. Who was keeping track of him over the past couple months? We have some idea what he was doing, but how do they know how he was acting? Am I missing something?



http://gma.yahoo.com/james-holmes-goofy-behavior-sign-psychosis-faking-expert-142209134--abc-news-topstories.html

James Holmes' Goofy Behavior Sign of Psychosis or Faking It, Expert Says
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Accused movie theater gunman James Holmes was not on drugs when he appeared dazed in court, but experts are looking for explanations for his odd behavior that included turning evidence bags on his hands into puppets after his arrest, sources told ABC News.

The loopy, seemingly unconcerned actions by the former Ph.D student accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 is seen by some as signs of psychosis -- or that he's faking it.

Sources tell ABC News that Holmes was not on drugs or medication at the time of the hearing, but Holmes has demonstrated a pattern of bizarre behavior since his arrest outside an Aurora, Colo., movie theater last Friday.

When Holmes was arrested he told police he was the fictitious Batman villain, The Joker. When police put evidence bags over his hands to preserve traces of gunpowder residue, Holmes pretended the bags were puppets, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Holmes has acted unfazed by his arrest, police say. He has been uncooperative since he was taken into custody, giving investigators little information, and yet disclosing his apartment was booby trapped with dozens of explosives.

His behavior in court Monday was particularly strange. Unshaven, with a shock of died orange hair, Holmes alternated between staring wide-eyed to closing his eyes and appearing to nod off.

His lawyer even had to nudge him to rise when the judge entered the courtroom. He said nothing during the proceedings, in which he was held without bond.

Some observers wondered if Holmes was on drugs or being medicated. Sources told ABC News, he was not on drugs, leading to expert theories that he may have been in the grips of "psychotic episode," exhausted from stress or simply faking it.

"I think there are two possibilities going on here," Marissa Randazzo, former chief research psychologist for the U.S. Secret Service and an expert in mass shootings, told "Good Morning America" today.

"One is that he is in the middle of a psychotic episode which is quite possible. We see him distracted at multiple points, an almost sort of 'coming to' and trying to figure out where he is and process what's going on," she said.

"The other thing that we're seeing -- and we've seen some of this behavior in the past couple months -- might suggest mania. Meaning hyperactivity, hyper energy, been possibly up and not sleeping for days. What we might be seeing here is the post effects."

But Randazzo also said there was a third possibility. He might simply be faking it.

"It's possible," she said when asked if Holmes' behavior could be all an act. "It is possible. We'll leave that open," she said, adding that most people who lie about that sort of behavior are sociopaths and "What we've heard about his history does not suggest sociopath at all."

"Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby ninakat » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:28 pm

FWIW, on the nose issue, Elvis has a good point about how photos taken from different distances with different lenses can affect the appearance of the nose. A photographer friend from the past used to take his shots from a distance in order to minimize nose size (length, that is). So, there's that possibility ALONG WITH the fact that his smile would have flared his nostrils somewhat.... so, all in all, I'm leaning toward there being no nose job, and the photos being the same guy.

Bruce, those McCartney pictures were almost a little too close to James Holmes expression-wise! :shock:
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby yathrib » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:31 pm

The differences among those photos are indeed startling, but I would tend to believe they're inherent in the photography. Also, even though he is in his early twenties, he may still be in the process of physically maturing. If you observe young people at those ages, even one or two years can make a lot of difference in appearance, especially in young men.

ninakat wrote:FWIW, on the nose issue, Elvis has a good point about how photos taken from different distances with different lenses can affect the appearance of the nose. A photographer friend from the past used to take his shots from a distance in order to minimize nose size (length, that is). So, there's that possibility ALONG WITH the fact that his smile would have flared his nostrils somewhat.... so, all in all, I'm leaning toward there being no nose job, and the photos being the same guy.

Bruce, those McCartney pictures were almost a little too close to James Holmes expression-wise! :shock:
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby brekin » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:31 pm

"I think there are two possibilities going on here," Marissa Randazzo, former chief research psychologist for the U.S. Secret Service and an expert in mass shootings, told "Good Morning America" today.
"One is that he is in the middle of a psychotic episode which is quite possible. We see him distracted at multiple points, an almost sort of 'coming to' and trying to figure out where he is and process what's going on," she said.

"The other thing that we're seeing -- and we've seen some of this behavior in the past couple months -- might suggest mania. Meaning hyperactivity, hyper energy, been possibly up and not sleeping for days. What we might be seeing here is the post effects."
But Randazzo also said there was a third possibility. He might simply be faking it.
"It's possible," she said when asked if Holmes' behavior could be all an act. "It is possible. We'll leave that open," she said, adding that most people who lie about that sort of behavior are sociopaths and "What we've heard about his history does not suggest sociopath at all."


Classic. They should just say "Experts Agree Everything Is Possible". Sadly this is modern psychology. He's sleepy, or manic, or drugged, or psychotic, or faking it, or has allergies.

"Let's keep that in mind that he was studying neuroscience. He was studying exactly the type of brain issues that we're going to be talking about throughout this whole case," she said.


I've been thinking about this especially if the supposed letter he mailed to a psychiatrist is true. It reminds me of Billy Milligan and the impressive psychology book shelf he had in the various care facilities he was sentenced to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Milligan
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:34 pm

2012 Countdown wrote:haha, Wayne Madsen...so take that for what its worth.


Ah, okay. :lol:

Great find Yathrib, and quite bizarre in it's implications. Maybe the expert just misspoke (he'll certainly say he did if his words are ever questioned) but it doesn't really come across as a mistake. He specifically broke up his sentence to get that bit in.

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Saw this on another site, it's kind of irrelevant, but the poster on his door is for the Soldiers of Misfortune. I know of an online gaming group of that name who make vaguely amusing Youtubes of their antics in multiplayer games, but I can't make out the words to see if they are actually gaming company logos/names on there. The pictures look to be of real people, some with guns (though games are pretty real looking nowadays, and pretty gun-y too). Are there any other Soldiers of Misfortune anyone knows of?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby norton ash » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:39 pm

Ninakat:
Bruce, those McCartney pictures were almost a little too close to James Holmes expression-wise!


Uncanny... nice find Bruce. A truly apt illustration featuring our favourite bad penny.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:46 pm

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I know it is heartless to post these pictures and ask this question, but do we know whether those bloody footprints going down towards where the gasmask was dumped belonged to Holmes or a victim?

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Actually, they are not so much footprints as a trail from someone who was obviously bleeding heavily, so almost certainly not from Holmes himself.
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