How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[American Dream]

http://www.social-ecology.org/1996/01/l ... ctives-35/

From Green Messiah to New Age Nazi

by Matthew Kalman and John Murray

Matthew Kalman and John Murray are editors of the eco-political investigative magazine Open Eye, which has been uncovering and exposing David Icke and “New Age Nazism.” Address: BM Open Eye, London WC1N 3XX. Issue 3 is available for £1.70.


It has been hard in recent years to ignore the rising popularity of almost everything that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, and self-improvement, as well as an array of New Age therapies, have all gained in popularity, as have other fringe interests like UFOs and the paranormal, which often appeal to the same people. Few will have avoided at least some contact.

The movement even has its own stars. In Britain, David Icke, the TV sports commentator turned Green Party national spokesman turned purple-robed “Son of God,” is the best-known leader.

What this is saying is that yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, self-improvement, UFOs and the paranormal are all part of a monolithic "movement" led by David Icke, and anyone who has not "avoided at least some contact" with these pernicious ideas is, if not already an anti-semitic Holocaust revisionist who reads the Spotlight, is in grave danger of being "enticed" onto the "anti-Semitic treadmill."

That's an enormous stretch, AD, do you really take such a claim seriously?

David Icke should be given a hard look, no question about that. His website forums are populated with real, actual nazis and Hitler-lovers. But -- practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?

This is starting to be outright offensive.

Do I think that "practicing yoga leads to David Icke and the slippery antisemitic slope? Environmentalism?"

Hardly! I practice both and I'm clearly not into David Icke. I do think he has drawn sustenance from the New Age and broadly links himself to those sorts of currents.

What though do you think though of the evidence that Icke veers into racism and the far right? That is what is should be disturbing to a thinking, moral and socially aware person, in my book....

What I'm saying is, I can't understand why you'd bolster your point with a weak thesis condemning yoga and environmentalism (etc.) as evil facets of a racist "movement" led by David Icke. The authors are either incredibly sloppy thinkers and researchers, or plain dishonest. Their real targets seem to be everything 'alternative', linking them all -- yoga, environmentalism etc. -- with David Icke and the racist right; I'm surprised that doesn't offend you.

To answer your question, I think Icke veers all over the road and there's no question that he picks up far-right kooks and "Hitler-not-such-a-bad-guy" nutcases. My advice to friends is to stay away from that bathwater. Landing in his forum on some unrelated Google search, I was just astonished that those poisonous posters are allowed to continue there (I don't know what the moderation policies are, if any, but that short visit gave me added appreciation of the moderating principles here on this forum).

So I'm with you on the need to discern racism when it comes in pretty packages, but let's also discern the value of our sources when exposing it. I think you've made your case sufficiently without resorting to articles like the one above and the pathetically inconsequential "Consprituality" piece.

Hey Elvis-

I'm glad we agree on the racist elements in Icke's work. As to Matthew Kalman and John Murray, you have a much harsher reading of them than I do. I see them as anti-Fascist types criticizing the infiltration of the far Right and its ideas into New Age circles. The statement I would most take issue with is "David Icke.. is the best-known leader. " This really is unfair to the New Age milieu- which is not a centralized movement anyway. Icke is the leader of the David Icke movement, which does draw succor from New Age circles- but that really is different than what this grossly distorted sentence from Kalman and Murray sentence suggests.

That said, I'm not imagining them as sweepingly anti-New Age but rather as people who must be hip to that culture no matter how much they are personally into everything about the latest guru or trance channel. Perhaps I'm wrong- but that was my reading...

[Sounder]

Joao, thanks for highlighting the Graeber article.

People will more likely read an article when a poster cares enough about the article to provide a reason for the article to be read.

Outside of a handful of tiny sectarian groups, it’s almost impossible to find a radical intellectuals seriously believe that their role should be to determine the correct historical analysis of the world situation, so as to lead the masses along in the one true revolutionary direction. [...]

Having an allergy to imperatives, this kind of sentence is nice to read. Any vanguard seems to feel a need to pick an imperative and then push it for all its worth. In the general Marxist world this presents itself as getting rid of capitalism. While capitalism may be a problem, it may also be an effect rather than a cause of our true problems.

AD’s posts have got me to thinking about imperatives though and, just to be fashionable, I found one to replace ‘No capitalism’. It’s also guaranteed to have fewer side effects and you will not wake up with a headache in the morning.

How bout, no coercion. Yes it would be the deepest shock imaginable, especially to the western mentality. But at least for a start, imagine how beautiful life might be if coercion was discouraged rather than being encouraged by our conceptual structuring systems.

All this struck home to me because it brought home to me just how much
ordinary intellectual practice--the kind of thing I was trained to do at
the University of Chicago, for example--really does resemble sectarian
modes of debate. One of the things which had most disturbed me about my
training there was precisely the way we were encouraged to read other
theorists' arguments: that if there were two ways to read a sentence,
one of which assumed the author had at least a smidgen of common sense
and the other that he was a complete idiot, the tendency was always to
chose the latter.

This is not at all ironic given that U of C was initially funded by Rockefeller, the king of divisiveness sponsors.

I had sometimes wondered how this could be reconciled
with an idea that intellectual practice was, on some ultimate level, a
common enterprise in pursuit of truth. The same goes for other
intellectual habits: for example, that of carefully assembling lists of
different "ways to be wrong" (usually ending in "ism": i.e.,
subjectivism, empiricism, all much like their sectarian parallels:
reformism, left deviationism, hegemonism...) and being willing to listen
to points of view differing from one's own only so long as it took to
figure out which variety of wrongness to plug them into. Combine this
with the tendency to treat (often minor) intellectual differences not
only as tokens of belonging to some imagined "ism" but as profound moral
flaws, on the same level as racism or imperialism (and often in fact
partaking of them) then one has an almost exact reproduction of style of
intellectual debate typical of the most ridiculous vanguardist sects.

Thanks Mr. Graeber for this, which I hope resonates for many people here.

[American Dream]

I agree with you strongly about no coercion, Sounder, as would David Graeber.

I would add though that the search for post-Capitalist economies makes non-coercive societies more able to broadly fulfill that role. Late capitalism and coercion go hand in hand, As Naomi Klein illustrates so well in The Shock Doctrine:

[Sounder]

But the vanguard 'believes' in coercion also, otherwise there would no need for such strong imperatives.

[American Dream]

But the vanguard 'believes' in coercion also, otherwise there would no need for such strong imperatives.

Strongly agreed- some of my earliest bad experiences with such types include a political cult with a prison base that coerced innocent young women into complicity with bank robberies, as sex objects for the benefit of group objectives etc. Even if they were a government op- which I strongly suspect- they got away with as much as they did under the banner of a neo-Maoist vanguard.

Other leftist groups which merely infiltrate other meetings without being honest about their affiliation to the secret agenda of such a vanguard group will routinely use cries of "Redbaiting!" as cover, not unlike zionist hawks who are quick to cry "Anti-Semitsm!" when it suits their purposes.

I'm sick of all that shit, want little to nothing to do with such vanguard groups, as for example the Workers' World Party/Party for Socialism and Liberation- a bunch of left handed monkey wrenches who run many of the anti-War protests in the U.S....

I still ask though, how can we be at least somewhat organized- without all the bullshit that goes with these vanguard parties...

[Sounder]

Strongly agreed- some of my earliest bad experiences with such types include a political cult with a prison base that coerced innocent young women into complicity with bank robberies, as sex objects for the benefit of group objectives etc. Even if they were a government op- which I strongly suspect- they got away with as much as they did under the banner of a neo-Maoist vanguard.

Other leftist groups which merely infiltrate other meetings without being honest about their affiliation to the secret agenda of such a vanguard group will routinely use cries of "Redbaiting!" as cover, not unlike zionist hawks who are quick to cry "Anti-Semitsm!" when it suits their purposes.

I'm sick of all that shit, want little to nothing to do with such vanguard groups, as for example the Workers' World Party/Party for Socialism and Liberation- a bunch of left handed monkey wrenches who run many of the anti-War protests in the U.S....

It’s good to see you write this AD, because you sometimes can leave the impression as being in that camp with your strong support of the no capitalism imperative.
It is also fair to ask; if you had bad experiences with folk that are driven by strident assumptions, is that not good reason to question the legitimacy of the base assumptions?

I still ask though, how can we be at least somewhat organized- without all the bullshit that goes with these vanguard parties...

Organization grows around a focused vision for change. Because our psyches are oriented around matters of belief, much vision for change also revolves around imperatives. And yet this is nothing more than a strongly held belief.

In contrast if we look back at the transition between Ptolemy and Copernicus, we see that aesthetic evolution was the real ‘change agent’ at play, and imperatives such as circular orbits served to inhibit rather than advance the new view.

While beliefs may drive the short term, aesthetics drives the long term. If a model produces more correspondences between categories it is said to be more useful or beautiful. Our current model inhibits the making of connections between classes of categories that are assumed by convention to be fundamentally different.

Our situation would be vastly different if we collectively subscribed to a continuum model for nature (reality), rather than our current split model of reality.

Then we might come to realize and internalize the notion that polarity resides within each category rather than being between categories.

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In contrast if we look back at the transition between Ptolemy and Copernicus, we see that aesthetic evolution was the real ‘change agent’ at play, and imperatives such as circular orbits served to inhibit rather than advance the new view.

While beliefs may drive the short term, aesthetics drives the long term. If a model produces more correspondences between categories it is said to be more useful or beautiful. Our current model inhibits the making of connections between classes of categories that are assumed by convention to be fundamentally different.

Our situation would be vastly different if we collectively subscribed to a continuum model for nature (reality), rather than our current split model of reality.

Then we might come to realize and internalize the notion that polarity resides within each category rather than being between categories.

To play Devil's advocate: One evil version of the Illuminati might counter, to our benefit, that the Universe revolves around Man, so to speak, the polarity posited by the Self for the continuation of the Self. Life and death are not the same. Is that not the philosophy of all Life?

[seemslikeadream]

Red Ice Radio - Frater X - Hour 1 - The Secret War Inside Freemasonry

[slimmouse]

Hats offf to Constantine "the great", and all his successors.

[American Dream]

Not to forget all the people of faith valiantly struggling with "the Illuminati":


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/r ... antichrist

Rick Wiles Wonders if Obama Is in the Illuminati, Learns He's the 'Forerunner of the Antichrist'

SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Monday, 4/15/2013

Last week, Rick Wiles of TruNews hosted Dr. Preston Bailey of the Spiritual Warfare Center to discuss how the “New World Order” is trying to restore the “Luciferian government” that existed before Noah’s Flood and will accelerate the End Times.

After asking if President Obama, whom Wiles believes is literally a demon, is of the Illuminati’s bloodline, Bailey responded that he is not, at least according to his Illuminati “source.”

But don’t be disappointed just yet.

Bailey told Wiles that the Illuminati consider Obama to be the “forerunner of the Antichrist” (which we always thought was Oprah Winfrey) and that there is an Illuminati member who may be in the White House soon enough: Hillary Clinton.



Wiles: Lucifer ran this world and that is what they are seeking to bring back in the Last Days, that is the world government, that is the last beast, that is the fourth beast that is coming, it is a resurrection of the pre-Flood Luciferian government and the Illuminati is the bloodline that exists today with the assignment to bring about the resurrection of this pre-Flood Luciferian government.

Bailey: That is exactly what they’re doing; now the New World Order, so the head of the New World Order — there are many organizations — but the head of it is the Illuminati.

…

Bailey: You’re born into the Illuminati so if you hear these people who claim ‘well I joined the Illuminati and blah blah blah’ well they’re lying, that’s just not true, they have delusions of grandeur.

Wiles: Do you think Barack Hussein Obama is part of the bloodline?

Bailey: No he’s not; I’ve asked specifically. He is called the ‘Forerunner of the Antichrist.’ But Hillary [Clinton] is in the Illuminati.

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Rosemary's Baby is a documentary.

[seemslikeadream]

Rosemary's Baby is a documentary.

yes and the Catholic church does exorcisms ...they believe in possession of the human body by the devil

wow all those people running around that haven't be exorcised

[minime]

What happens when you don't pay the Exorcist?

[seemslikeadream]

What happens when you don't pay the Exorcist?

return policy?

[minime]

You get repossessed.

Old Illuminati joke.