Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

[zangtang]

Am wondering how much of a tinderbox Turkey actually is - because i think everyone that's got a ratchet in this game is ratcheting shit up,
& suspect 'the centre cannot hold' for....much longer.

See if we get thru the last week (2weeks) in April without some fresh hell.

[jakell]

I've grown convinced that Europe has been tricked, and is being set up.

For what I don't know.

Yes, there were deserving refugees, yes, there were dead toddlers washed up on the beaches.

But we're not getting sweet families, we're getting hordes of aggressive and nasty young men.

And who's the source? The nastiest motherfucker in the game right now: Erodogan.

Whatever the pressures from outside are, we've done this to ourselves really. Porous cultures, a pretty muddled idea of a European superstate and soft welfare systems mean that we are a pushover just waiting for events to come knocking.

To look for external blame is to take the right wing conspiracy route, which nearly always ends up in the internal machinations and/or external malevolence of The Jews.

[FourthBase]

I've grown convinced that Europe has been tricked, and is being set up.

For what I don't know.

Yes, there were deserving refugees, yes, there were dead toddlers washed up on the beaches.

But we're not getting sweet families, we're getting hordes of aggressive and nasty young men.

And who's the source? The nastiest motherfucker in the game right now: Erodogan.

Whatever the pressures from outside are, we've done this to ourselves really. Porous cultures, a pretty muddled idea of a European superstate and soft welfare systems mean that we are a pushover just waiting for events to come knocking.

To look for external blame is to take the right wing conspiracy route, which nearly always ends up in the internal machinations and/or external malevolence of The Jews.

That particular route is now equally co-owned by the left wing. And to be fair to the right wing, they do take some conspiracy routes which end up in the internal machinations and/or external malevolence of non-Jews, e.g., Fabians. Although I guess that would be looking for internal blame, i.e., doing it to yourselves?

[tapitsbo]

I like it when our goggles can see Fabians and Tory oligarchs glued together with hereditary and institutional bonding agents, yes.

[jakell]

I've grown convinced that Europe has been tricked, and is being set up.

For what I don't know.

Yes, there were deserving refugees, yes, there were dead toddlers washed up on the beaches.

But we're not getting sweet families, we're getting hordes of aggressive and nasty young men.

And who's the source? The nastiest motherfucker in the game right now: Erodogan.

Whatever the pressures from outside are, we've done this to ourselves really. Porous cultures, a pretty muddled idea of a European superstate and soft welfare systems mean that we are a pushover just waiting for events to come knocking.

To look for external blame is to take the right wing conspiracy route, which nearly always ends up in the internal machinations and/or external malevolence of The Jews.

That particular route is now equally co-owned by the left wing. And to be fair to the right wing, they do take some conspiracy routes which end up in the internal machinations and/or external malevolence of non-Jews, e.g., Fabians. Although I guess that would be looking for internal blame, i.e., doing it to yourselves?

The Left seem to have 'fascists' as their boogeyman of last resort but really, as they have achieved an intellectual hegemony over the last four decades, they haven't felt a pressing need to explain themselves by reference to identifiable actors. Their point of reference seems to be that of a belief in progressive ideas and policies (defined by them), and of a movement towards a brighter future (defined by them), when they do need to get their hands dirty and talk of specifics, the actors are nearly always identified by reference to victims, or more usefully-vague, victimised groups.

I'm usually disappointed when the (far) Right end some good analysis with Jew stuff, I think it's lazy, I find though that to cede to the Jews the ability to undermine Western Civilisation (or whatever precious vase is tottering at the time), it is not enough to see them as external actors, they have to be seen as internal ones too, weakening society from the inside. I don't really see a Leftist equivalent of this latter

[brekin]

Police: 26 women report sexual assault at German concert

Berlin (CNN)More than two dozen young women reported they were sexually assaulted at a concert in Germany, authorities said.

The alleged incidents occurred Saturday night at Schlossgrabenfest, an open air music festival near Darmstadt town. The festival ran from Thursday to Sunday.Police said it's likely the sexual assaults could have happened in other locations as more women emerge in addition to the 26 who've come forward so far. About 80,000 people attended the concert Saturday and 400,000 over its duration, police said.

Most of the reports were filed by women between ages 16 to 25, said Ferdinand Derigs, a spokesman for Darmstadt police.
As many as 10 men may have been involved in the assaults, he said.
Three Pakistani men have been arrested in connection with incident. The trio is between ages 28 and 31, and allegedly assaulted two or three women, authorities said.One of the men has lived in Germany for some time, while the other two moved recently.

Sexual assaults linked to migrants have been a hot-button issue in Germany following a spate of mob sex attacks and muggings in the city of Cologne on New Year's Eve. Scores of women reported being sexually assaulted or robbed by gangs of men of Arab or North African appearance, sending shock waves through a country that has taken in more people than any other European nation in response to the migrant crisis.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/europe/ge ... ottomlarge

[American Dream]

Let me return to a previous post to explain what I mean. I noted there how the problem of violence against girls and women in Western countries is rarely denoted as a problem of culture. So if a white man attacks a woman, and if he is put on trial, his whiteness would be inessential or incidental, an irrelevant detail. He would not be vaguely identified as white in the reporting of this kind of case. If a brown man – he might be an immigrant, he might be a Muslim or a “vaguely designated Asian” attacks a woman, his brownness becomes essential: perhaps the violence is identified as originating with immigrants or Muslims or vaguely with Asians. Summary: some forms of violence are represented as intrinsic to some forms of culture (as a cultural problem or a problem with culture); other forms of violence get represented as extrinsic to others (as an individual problem or a problem with individuals). Racism increasingly operates through the idea of “culture” as being what minorities “have.” Culture here becomes something fixed but only for some cultures (culture becomes their nature). Making violence into a problem of culture is thus a way of racializing violence. Much racism today operates as or through the racialisation of violence. And as Sara Farris has recently noted “when sexism is racialised and depicted as the exclusive domain of the non-western or non-Christian Other, all women end up losing.”

...In fact the idea that rape, sexual abuse and sexual violence is foreign to “our predominate culture,” is how rape, sexual abuse and sexual violence become part of our culture. The idea that rape is foreign is what allows the identification of the rapist as a foreigner. This is “stranger danger” in action, and stranger danger is, as feminists have shown, again and again, dangerous to women, as women are endangered most often at home, by men they know, by familiars not strangers. Progressive racism rests on progressive sexism because of how sexism is assumed to be foreign. Progressive racism: how violence is assumed to originate with outsiders. Progressive racism is intimately tied up with domestic violence.

--Progressive Racism

[brekin]

Let me return to a previous post to explain what I mean. I noted there how the problem of violence against girls and women in Western countries is rarely denoted as a problem of culture. So if a white man attacks a woman, and if he is put on trial, his whiteness would be inessential or incidental, an irrelevant detail. He would not be vaguely identified as white in the reporting of this kind of case. If a brown man – he might be an immigrant, he might be a Muslim or a “vaguely designated Asian” attacks a woman, his brownness becomes essential: perhaps the violence is identified as originating with immigrants or Muslims or vaguely with Asians. Summary: some forms of violence are represented as intrinsic to some forms of culture (as a cultural problem or a problem with culture); other forms of violence get represented as extrinsic to others (as an individual problem or a problem with individuals). Racism increasingly operates through the idea of “culture” as being what minorities “have.” Culture here becomes something fixed but only for some cultures (culture becomes their nature). Making violence into a problem of culture is thus a way of racializing violence. Much racism today operates as or through the racialisation of violence. And as Sara Farris has recently noted “when sexism is racialised and depicted as the exclusive domain of the non-western or non-Christian Other, all women end up losing.”

...In fact the idea that rape, sexual abuse and sexual violence is foreign to “our predominate culture,” is how rape, sexual abuse and sexual violence become part of our culture. The idea that rape is foreign is what allows the identification of the rapist as a foreigner. This is “stranger danger” in action, and stranger danger is, as feminists have shown, again and again, dangerous to women, as women are endangered most often at home, by men they know, by familiars not strangers. Progressive racism rests on progressive sexism because of how sexism is assumed to be foreign. Progressive racism: how violence is assumed to originate with outsiders. Progressive racism is intimately tied up with domestic violence.

--Progressive Racism

Well, I'd just add that it is seen as a problem of culture (or subculture?) when a group of men, even white men, harass or assault women, such as a biker gang, fraternity, football team, military unit, firehouse, etc. No doubt some or a lot of sexual violence is racialized but de-racializing specific incidents hardly seems like anything but wishful color blind thinking, or wishful white male demonizing.

[American Dream]

When and if such groups of white men are accused of such acts, I may read of it in the mainstream press with some implication of sexist behavior but almost never as an essentialized trait of whiteness or "Americanhood". Your mileage may vary.

[jakell]

Stuff like the Cologne incident and the one described above unfortunately pale into insignificance against the Rotherham example. In terms of number and vulnerability level of victims, how attentuated it was (ie, it wasn't just an incident), the local organisation involved, plus the organisation involving other towns too.

This is the one where you will see the biggest wall of silence.

[brekin]

When and if such groups of white men are accused of such acts, I may read of it in the mainstream press with some implication of sexist behavior but almost never as an essentialized trait of whiteness or "Americanhood". Your mileage may vary.

Sure, but there usually is a nod to "the culture" of harassment, exploitation, objectification, etc. of women of such white men groupings which no one questions or sees as alluding to (unintentionally often) to it being a essential trait of white America. I'm not disagreeing that what you say about the same thing happening to men of color, or perhaps less subvertly, its just that I think most people just accept that white America has had this issue in male dominant subcultures for ever, so the logical conclusion just goes unsaid.

[American Dream]

I see nods to the patriarchal hegemony that manifests as rape culture in liberal feminist articles all the time. That just means they're doing their job.

The vicious baiting of immigrants, Muslims, Arabs, Mexicans and other Latinos, Desis and others is much, much more explicit and all too often is displayed as an essentializing ethnic slur. White native born men are treated very, very differently.

[Searcher08]

When and if such groups of white men are accused of such acts, I may read of it in the mainstream press with some implication of sexist behavior but almost never as an essentialized trait of whiteness or "Americanhood". Your mileage may vary.

There is a connection here which is not being made.

Do you think there should be biting criticism of Salafist Islam?

I really wonder how many of the Pakistani men who appear to have been involved in the Rotherham mess were the products of an extremely misogynistic Saudi-funded Wahabbi education?
Why does the progressive left look on criticism of Islam as inherently bad?

[jakell]

When and if such groups of white men are accused of such acts, I may read of it in the mainstream press with some implication of sexist behavior but almost never as an essentialized trait of whiteness or "Americanhood". Your mileage may vary.

There is a connection here which is not being made.

Do you think there should be biting criticism of Salafist Islam?

I really wonder how many of the Pakistani men who appear to have been involved in the Rotherham mess were the products of an extremely misogynistic Saudi-funded Wahabbi education?
Why does the progressive left look on criticism of Islam as inherently bad?

If only to avoid the standard tiresome responses to criticism of other cultures, I come from a different angle and ask what it was that made our own usually adequate services completely unable to deal with this particular instance, even though it got brought to their attention several times over the years.

What the offenders initially brought to the situation is also important though, but that can't really be altered, just our own reaction to it

[Searcher08]

When and if such groups of white men are accused of such acts, I may read of it in the mainstream press with some implication of sexist behavior but almost never as an essentialized trait of whiteness or "Americanhood". Your mileage may vary.

There is a connection here which is not being made.

Do you think there should be biting criticism of Salafist Islam?

I really wonder how many of the Pakistani men who appear to have been involved in the Rotherham mess were the products of an extremely misogynistic Saudi-funded Wahabbi education?
Why does the progressive left look on criticism of Islam as inherently bad?

If only to avoid the standard tiresome responses to criticism of other cultures, I come from a different angle and ask what it was that made our own usually adequate services completely unable to deal with this particular instance, even though it got brought to their attention several times over the years.

What the offenders initially brought to the situation is also important though, but that can't really be altered, just our own reaction to it

From what I saw, it was attenuation of the signals once within the boundary of the social services organisations. FWIW my experience of these organisations is that they are very poor at responding to something outside a very narrow set of often pre-moulded "Use Cases". The response to novelty is to reject it by degrading the signal, generally through a series of attenuating widely space meetings of multiple committees. Many of the people within these social services play avoiding responsibility games a la "Yes, Prime Minister" where one of the most valued skills is making things NOT happen and avoiding anything stinky landing on one's own lawn.

I imagine also that anytime something like this persists, there is a "national security" force somewhere in the ecosystem - I imagine there is an Afghan drugs connection somewhere.