What is #Pizzagate?

[brainpanhandler]

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-14% of Trump supporters think Hillary Clinton is connected to a child sex ring run out of a Washington DC pizzeria. Another 32% aren't sure one way or another, much as the North Carolinian who went to Washington to check it out last weekend said was the case for him. Only 54% of Trump voters expressly say they don't think #Pizzagate is real.

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Public Policy Polling surveyed 1,224 registered voters on December 6th and 7th.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main ... -pick.html

[Grizzly]

http://imgur.com/a/tldZI

Why the fuck won't this become embedded like a hundred other fucking posts, I've posted?!

[Wombaticus Rex]

That's an url, not a file location.

I put my cursor over the image on your link and right clicked it - then selected "open image in new tab."

That gave me the file. Then I put that in img tags and we're golden.

[Heaven Swan]

I think pizza gate is a Steve Bannon op from the get-go. Data points:

January 2015 - Trump's name was specifically circled by Rodriguez in the Epstein flight logs he attempted to sell to the victims lawyers. The butler points the way.

4/26/2016 - Jane Doe files rape complaint against Trump/Epstein.

5/2/2016 - Jane Doe rape suit dismissed on technical grounds.

6/20/ 2016 - Jane Doe refiles a similar complaint in a New York State federal court.

7/2/2016 - FBI Anon gives an AMA on /pol/ filled with vague allegations about the Clinton email case, including mentions of pedophillia by elites and the FBI, as well as asserting holocaust denial and that George Soros was attempting to institute world rule by pure-blooded jewry.

10/3/2016 - Jane Doe refiles her rape lawsuit again against Trump/Epstein.

10/8/2016 - Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" tape airs.

10/15/2016 - Wikileaks compromised.

10/30/2016 - White supremacist David Goldberg tweets a rumor of Clinton pedophilia ring. It is retweeted 6500 times.

10/31/2016 - Trump supporting Yournewswire.com publishes Clinton pedo ring article which was shared 28,000 times on FB.

11/3/2016 - Wikileaks' Silsby tweet.

11/3/2016 - First mention on /pol/ of "cheese pizza" in connection with Podesta emails on Wikileaks.

11/4/2016 - Erik Prince alleges Clinton pedo ring in exclusive Breitbart News interview.

11/4/2016 - Thomas Meager, lawyer for Jane Doe in the Trump/Epstein case files voluntary dismissal of the rape lawsuit.

11/23/2016 - Erik Prince's sister is selected to Trump's cabinet.

The activity around 10/30 through 11/4 is obviously coordinated. This entire op is a derail of the sexual assault allegations against Trump. I doubt Podesta is even a pedophile, frankly. Trump shows many of the signs, though.

Good work!

Bannon was the evil genius of the extroadinarily well-funded Trump campaign, without whom Trump wouldn't have won.
And now he's "Chief Strategist" of the inner circle and they're about to take over the United States Government.

[Heaven Swan]

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Project Willow wrote:

Yes. The Clintons long standing ties to CIA and the upper circles are demonstrable. Epstein funding needs to be pursued. Trump is part of the same network. Epstein, Silsby and her relationship with the Clintons are the strongest data points for arguing that real evidence exists.

What happened with WL is highly suspicious, including the timing of the East Coast net outage, but I don’t believe Assange would have published CF/CGI data, I think whatever happened behind the scenes is much more complicated.

The stakes here are very high. The waters were being muddied from the start, paid armies of internet trolls (including Brock's) were at the ready. Politically motivated bystanders were led down avenues of sensationalist and damaging speculation, RA survivor testimony unearthed and used as discrediting cudgel in the MSM (two birds, one stone). This is why real data is ignored in the major PG discussion forums, on Voat one has to sift through dozens of deranged leaps of imagination, some based in anti-semitic, or homophobic sentiments, to find anything of substance. The discussion on RI doesn't bother me as there are a range of views, many of them rightfully critical. What bothers me is the great distraction and consensus perception successfully being created in the wider world.

If they used this disinfo strategy to great success once, what's to stop them from deploying it whenever they see fit? Soon we may be drowning in it.

One of the main uses of pedo and illicit sex opportunities is for blackmail.(*). Pizzagate goes beyond mere blackmail but uses the same smears and in this case trumped up (ha ha) accusations and insinuations. And they got spectacular results without any incriminating films or convincing evidence.

The shock value of the highly disturbing nature and the novelty (to the general public) of the allegations went in their favor this time. It all happened so fast and right before the election. I guess we can hope that people start to look more closely at details and that more credible survivor testimony surfaces.


* if you haven't yet read "Confessions of a DC Madam" get it right away. Apart from being credible it is very well written. I could barely put it down.

[liminalOyster]

I see Slomo removed the request for self-examination of motive, but I appreciated it and will respond anyways.

I take Pizzagate as a historical marker. If Barracuda is on the right path, and I think he is, then this whole episode indicates how the proliferation of conspiracy theory (parapolitical material) over the past decade had muddied the waters and enabled various partisan operatives to mobilize a credulous critical mass - often by reference to material that’s been posted here frequently over the years - and drive them into a fury. Conspiracy theory has itself become the mechanism of a conspiracy, more or less.

So my motivation is, earnestly I hope, to bring a degree of self-reflexivity to the kinds of strong hypotheses over at, say, Voat, which are not being adequately subjected to reality/plausibility-testing, IMHO. And, frankly, when what’s being called into question is whether or not the sadistic abuse of children even occurred in this context, it’s none too difficult for the self-proclaimed defenders of truth to portray the responsible skeptics (not quite the right word, of course) as morally bereft or even deviant themselves. That was self-apparent here when a poster leapt to assuming that posters who didn’t share his/her hot take on the whole thing are either compromised by their psychological defenses or have an ulterior motive.

I lean slightly towards the notion, btw, that the basic gist of the PG narrative was more or less created in a lab drawing on real suppressed histories. This whole thing about the question of a basement (and/or tunnels) feels like it is to McMartin as True Detective S01 is to Hosanna. If we’ve seen the entertainment industry mine these histories - so many times now - for film and TV narratives, why would we not be seeing the same thing happen in campaign narrative shaping? Bataille had a whole riff somewhere on how human beings got spooked out of the subterranean as reflected in our architecture. So maybe the reemergence of a spooky hypothetical space underground reflects mostly psychological archetype, but I find it a bit uncanny. As if Bannon or whomever really did anticipate that the question of tunnels or basements would inevitably lead armchair “researchers” to McMartin et al where they would of course find resonance to PG and thus it would feel like further evidence.

[Grizzly]

"Confessions of a DC Madam" is indeed, a must read.

[divideandconquer]

I think pizza gate is a Steve Bannon op from the get-go. Data points:

January 2015 - Trump's name was specifically circled by Rodriguez in the Epstein flight logs he attempted to sell to the victims lawyers. The butler points the way.

4/26/2016 - Jane Doe files rape complaint against Trump/Epstein.

5/2/2016 - Jane Doe rape suit dismissed on technical grounds.

6/20/ 2016 - Jane Doe refiles a similar complaint in a New York State federal court.

7/2/2016 - FBI Anon gives an AMA on /pol/ filled with vague allegations about the Clinton email case, including mentions of pedophillia by elites and the FBI, as well as asserting holocaust denial and that George Soros was attempting to institute world rule by pure-blooded jewry.

10/3/2016 - Jane Doe refiles her rape lawsuit again against Trump/Epstein.

10/8/2016 - Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" tape airs.

10/15/2016 - Wikileaks compromised.

10/30/2016 - White supremacist David Goldberg tweets a rumor of Clinton pedophilia ring. It is retweeted 6500 times.

10/31/2016 - Trump supporting Yournewswire.com publishes Clinton pedo ring article which was shared 28,000 times on FB.

11/3/2016 - Wikileaks' Silsby tweet.

11/3/2016 - First mention on /pol/ of "cheese pizza" in connection with Podesta emails on Wikileaks.

11/4/2016 - Erik Prince alleges Clinton pedo ring in exclusive Breitbart News interview.

11/4/2016 - Thomas Meager, lawyer for Jane Doe in the Trump/Epstein case files voluntary dismissal of the rape lawsuit.

11/23/2016 - Erik Prince's sister is selected to Trump's cabinet.

The activity around 10/30 through 11/4 is obviously coordinated. This entire op is a derail of the sexual assault allegations against Trump. I doubt Podesta is even a pedophile, frankly. Trump shows many of the signs, though.

Good work!

Bannon was the evil genius of the extroadinarily well-funded Trump campaign, without whom Trump wouldn't have won.
And now he's "Chief Strategist" of the inner circle and they're about to take over the United States Government.

You're just reiterating the flip side of the Trump supporters who think once Obama's out of office, everything will be okay. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are BOTH elite puppets who serve the same globalist masters. These masters just change it up every once in a while to keep us believing in the election process and the fraudulent two-party system, as if a new president, new prime minister, new chancellor, etc. will deliver hope and real change.





I don't like Ron Paul, but in this case, he's right.

[Searcher08]

A local Jewish family fled their home out of fear of reprisals after Brietbart reported that they were responsible for the local elementary school canceling their Christmas play (they were not, but their child was bullied for opting out of participating).

The family specifically cited the Comet Ping Pong shooting as the reason why they were fleeing.

This was all total BS

I never thought I would be quoting the ADL but...

ADL Calls Reports of Family Fleeing Lancaster County, PA "Untrue and Damaging"

Philadelphia, PA, December 22, 2016 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), like many, read many numerous local and national news stories reporting that a Jewish family allegedly “fled” Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The reports claimed that the family feared retribution after being wrongfully blamed for the cancellation of the school production of A Christmas Carol. ADL investigated, and found that in actuality, the family left on vacation for winter break.

“News reports alleging that a Jewish family has ‘fled’ Lancaster County are untrue and damaging,” said Nancy Baron-Baer, ADL Regional Director. “We spoke with the family, who explained that they went on a previously-planned vacation for the holidays. Stories like this can sow fear in the Jewish community and beyond, and it is important to stop the spread of misinformation.

“There is no truth to the rumor that the school cancelled A Christmas Carol at the request of parents. The Hempfield School District released a FAQ clearly stating that the play was cancelled due to the inordinate amount of class time taken up by rehearsals. We commend the district for setting the record straight.”

According to Breitbart, the story was run as an established fact by PennLive, The Philadelphia Inquirer, Mediaite, Slate, Crooks and Liars, Raw Story, Media Matters, TalkingPointsMemo, The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, and the Forward.

What do you make of weaving in Comet Ping Pong? Funny that...
Some people (not you, Luther) are spinning "#Pizzagate as hate speech"
It even seems to have arrived on this very thread.

[seemslikeadream]

According to Breitbart/Bannon....we should know we started this bullshit

[liminalOyster]

I fear I'm the one who introduced the phrase "hate speech" and I've already acknowledged it was a mistake. But I'd point out that I was not referring to #pg at large, only to what I took as an intellectualized homophoia that linked gay culture to pedophilia. My intent was to say the distilled (unitellectualized) message felt, IMHO, like classic anti-gay stuff from 30-40 years ago. OT1H I acknowledge that "hate speech" is a very problematic term etc. OTOH, I know I sometimes forget how serious anti-gay violence/murder is in Uganda or even Jamaica. Vis a vis the influence of white North American evangelical/missionary culture on those places (esp. Uganda), I think it's not totally crazy to consider howtolerating certain kinds of fascist speech may have direct consequences in remote milieus.

[American Dream]

Rwanda and El Salvador come to mind...

I fear I'm the one who introduced the phrase "hate speech" and I've already acknowledged it was a mistake. But I'd point out that I was not referring to #pg at large, only to what I took as an intellectualized homophoia that linked gay culture to pedophilia. My intent was to say the distilled (unitellectualized) message felt, IMHO, like classic anti-gay stuff from 30-40 years ago. OT1H I acknowledge that "hate speech" is a very problematic term etc. OTOH, I know I sometimes forget how serious anti-gay violence/murder is in Uganda or even Jamaica. Vis a vis the influence of white North American evangelical/missionary culture on those places (esp. Uganda), I think it's not totally crazy to consider howtolerating certain kinds of fascist speech may have direct consequences in remote milieus.

[divideandconquer]

I do not know anything about the guy who wrote this article but I thought it was worth posting.

Alefantis, Podesta And Hastert: The Mainstream Cover Up
Now that the public is slowly awakening to the fact that PizzaGate(regardless of what corporate media intentionally obfuscates) goes way beyond that of James Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong, it is important to both, not allow this investigation to fade away until it is properly addressed by the appropriate authorities, and to continue to focus on that which is undeniable.

Although speculation is vital to any investigation, as any detective will agree, to do so now will only provide ammunition for mainstream outlets seeking to create an air of reckless irresponsibility and negligence around those who choose to think outside the box, otherwise known as actual investigation. Yet, what is entirely absurd is the fact that this is what these outlets are supposed to be doing; asking the hard questions to actually find the truth, and not just relay what they are told. Sadly, it has been quite some time since mainstream journalists–if one can still regard them as such–have chosen to investigate anything. Most are unaware that the job of “investigative journalist” no longer exists at any of the major mainstream organizations such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, or any of the major corporate stations from which many Americans still choose to get their information. So ask yourself how they get to the bottom of these major stories? And where their information comes from?

In any controversial story, it’s the job of the media to seek out and find the truth of the matter, regardless of who might be held accountable. However, as the mainstream media no longer relies on investigative journalism to find that truth, it instead turns to government agencies. As Americans should be able to trust such information, it has been demonstrated time and again that not only can they not be trusted, but that they will always, without fail,put the agency agenda well above that of the best interest of the American people, commonly at the people’s expense as well.

In the case of Dennis Hastert, the former Speaker of the House, where the man was found to be a serial pedophile(and ridiculously only sentenced to 15 months), the truth of the matter was intensely avoided by the media until the absolute breaking point, in which they were forced to cover it. As HighImpactFlix points out, if anyone from the alternative media had been speaking out about the ex-Speaker of the House of the United States of America, being a serial child molester who was being provided with young boys, they would have not only been called “fake news,” and now possibly even “Russian Propaganda,” they would have been accused of all the close-minded, oblivious accusations currently being thrown at anyone willing to reasonably consider what is now a world-wide citizen investigation. And anyone who actually looks at all of the evidence, can see that it is clearly enough to justify further attention.

It should be a huge red flag that the mainstream narrative, being incessantly pushed, revolves around the idea that the entire premis of the PizzaGate investigation is so ridiculous, that it shouldn’t even be considered; which is the best case scenario for those seeking to cover this up. It provides a comforting excuse for those already willing to ignore such a foundation shaking story, and tell themselves that they made an “informed” decision. Yet, with all the many cases in this nation’s history alone, that involve those in high positions of power, how can any rational, critically thinking individual allow themselves to think that this is ‘simply not possible.’ And remember, Dennis Hastert was a very powerful man, with direct ties to, and close friends with, both the Podesta bothers and James Alefantis.

The mainstream media has allowed for these individuals to slide by without having to address any of the actually damning photos, comments or connections–of which are abundant–and instead has chosen to clearly take a side. Which no one should have to point out is a fundamental problem for any true journalist, as was seen in the farce interview that Fox’s Megyn Kelly conducted with James Alefantis, where no attempt at objectivity was made, and instead was ten minutes of “this is fake, take my word for it.” The video below shows some of the questions that should have been asked, if the journalist posing them had any genuine intention of finding the truth.

Objectivity is what those seeking to be truly informed desire, rather than to be told what to think; and this is exactly why mainstream media viewership is lower than ever before in history. People are waking up, but as the saying goes: “The revolution will not be televised.”

[seemslikeadream]

is that Ryan Dobson?

[Searcher08]

is that Ryan Dobson?

I did a search for Ryan Dobson but there is a multiplicity of them.
Which one in particular?