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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:13 pm

I'm aware of of the things Karma mentions, still doesn't make it a good comparison, unless you genuinely think we might be heading towards an actual, intentional genocide of the unvaccinated, in which case all I can say is: get help. And it still doesn't compare, as one group was by birth, the other by choice. Unvaccinated are being targeted because they don't want to do something, the Jews because they existed. It's not exactly the same thing.


Racial or ethnic discrimination is different. It's still discrimination. Are you actually suggesting discrimination should only be about racial or ethnic?

The comparisons are valid, you're just not ready to accept the fact that what is happening is UGLY. It's creepy, disgusting, foul and repressive.

The symbol of the gold star applies. Many symbols have come out of Nazi Germany, mostly or all bad. Sugar coating this shit doesn't help. These people ARE NOT GOING TO STOP WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT RESISTANCE. Casual conversations don't work. Logically conversations don't work. Rational conversations don't work. So I'm sometimes calling them Nazis or Nazi like. I use authoritarian or totalitarian with equal weight. They apply. Once and a great while one can have a normal and intelligent conversation without having jackass brainwashed dipshits regurgitating the garbage they hear/read in MSM. Yesterday an old friend called me out of the blue. We touched on the Rona and vaccines. Was a great conversation and no bullshit spoken. No hard feelings and no demands etc... Just two people sharing viewpoints and both being completely respected. That was rare. Most of the people I personally know are Covidians, you cannot reason with them.

The world is not going to change with rational arguments and logic. If we are lucky and can resist enough it will take place in the streets and workplaces. Walking off the job and filling the streets with those who care enough to do so.

The lockdowns were detrimental to many people I am very close to.
The masks are repressive and anti-human.
I'm not letting anyone stick something in my body unless I consent. Since Pfizer and I don't have a safe word it ain't happening.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:17 pm

^^^^^^^^ I believe I rest my case.



Here's a fascinating article by Tessa Lena and a snippet of the discussion with her from occasional RI contributor Guruilla, AKA Jasun Horsley. The full discussion can be viewed at Jasun's website here: https://auticulture.com/the-liminalist- ... e-ledogar/








https://tessa.substack.com/p/great-reset-dummies

The Great Reset for Dummies

Where do we go from here?
Tessa Lena, Oct 28, 2020



The peasants are getting fat, and they are breeding!
Oh no.

What is “the Great Reset”?

The Great Reset is a massively funded, desperately ambitious, internationally coordinated project led by some of the biggest multinational corporations and financial players on the planet and carried out by cooperating state bodies and NGOs. Its soul is a combination of early 20th century science fiction, idyllic Soviet posters, the obsessiveness of a deranged accountant with a gambling addiction—and an upgraded, digital version of “Manifest Destiny.”

The mathematical reason for the Great Reset is that thanks to technology, the planet has gotten small, and the infinite expansion economic model is bust—but obviously, the super wealthy want to continue staying super wealthy, and so they need a miracle, another bubble, plus a surgically precise system for managing what they perceive as “their limited resources.” Thus, they desperately want a bubble providing new growth out of thin air—literally—while simultaneously they seek to tighten the peasants’ belts, an effort that starts with “behavioral modification,” a.k.a. resetting the western peasants’ sense of entitlement to high life standards and liberties (see awful “privilege”).

The psychological reason for the Great Reset is the fear of losing control of property, the planet. I suppose, if you own billions and move trillions, your perception of reality gets funky, and everything down below looks like an ant hill that exists for you. Just ants and numbers, your assets.

Thus, the practical aim of the Great Reset is to fundamentally restructure the world’s economy and geopolitical relations based on two assumptions: one, that every element of nature and every life form is a part of the global inventory (managed by the allegedly benevolent state, which, in turn, is owned by several suddenly benevolent wealthy people, via technology)—and two, that all inventory needs to be strictly accounted for: be registered in a central database, be readable by a scanner and easily ID’ed, and be managed by AI, using the latest “science.” The goal is to count and then efficiently manage and control all resources, including people, on an unprecedented scale, with unprecedented digital anxiety and precision—all while the masters keep indulging, enjoying vast patches of conserved nature, free of unnecessary sovereign peasants and their unpredictability. The king’s world feels far more predictable and relaxed when the chaos of human subjectivity is contained for good.

Plus, as a potentially lucrative aside, a bunch of these tightly managed “assets” can be also turned into new financial instruments and traded. Game on!

In other words, it’s an “efficient” global feudalism that goes much farther than its medieval brother since the scanner is all-seeing: every person, every mineral, and every berry is digitally tagged and tracked. Under that framework, every peasant has a function that is derived not from the mystery of life, and not from their inner calling—but from AI, the master of efficiency and the servant of the king. Ideally, the peasants can be convinced that it’s good for them (or necessary to be safe, see “contact tracing”) and that this is what progress and happiness are like—but if not, there are other ways, from classic violence to virtual prisons to “morality pills.”

The reform in question is meant to disrupt all areas of life, on a planetary scale: government, international relations, finance, energy, food, medicine, jobs, urban planning, real estate, law enforcement, and human interactions—and it starts with changing the way we think of ourselves and our relationship with the world. Notably, privacy is a huge thorn in the collective eye of our “great resetters”—and—as I am typing this, they are pushing their sweet talking points about how privacy is really an outdated concept—especially when it comes to people’s medical data, sheesh—and that we simply cannot move forward with the bright future if silly people keep clinging to their privacy.

I will briefly go over different elements of this slippery reform in a sec—but to sum it up, the desired end result is a giant, joyless, highly controlled global conveyor of everything and everybody where privacy is tremendously expensive, dissent is unthinkable, and spiritual submission is mandatory. It’s like a 24/7 medicated reality, except the medications are both chemical and digital, and they are reporting you back to the mothership, which can then punish you for bad behavior by, say, blocking your access to certain places or by putting a hold on your digital bank account—perhaps without any human intervention at all.

Thus, on a sensory level—as it relates to money and power—this conveyor is an attempt of the super wealthy to organize and monetize their “assets,” including people—more efficiently than ever before. On a theological level, the initiative is shaped by transhumanism, a formal belief system rooted in a pathological feeling of being repelled by all things natural—and a resulting view of biological forms as defective robots, which are made perfect, serial killer perfect, by merging with machines in a way that redefines the meaning of being alive and defies death itself.

I would like to stress that we should never underestimate the importance of subjective feelings and theology in the shaping of historical events. Our entire history is a sum of subjective choices—where the choices of the more powerful and the more driven weigh more. And religious reform, which typically stems from various powerful individuals’ subjective preference for what the big picture should be like, has been a driver of large-scale social, economic, and cultural changes on this planet for centuries. What we are looking at here is a new religion—and as much as I want to believe in the general cleanliness and rationality of the system—on the higher level, we are not dealing with a rational, scientific, honest, benevolent—or even misguided—attempt to make things better. When it comes to the masterminds of the Great Reset, we are dealing with a combination of standard greed—and the emotional pathology of restless, rotting madmen who are freaking out over the maintenance of their property in this new era, and who resent their biological nature as such and want to be gods. Sadly, the crazies are rich and well-connected, and they can hire a million underlings to put on a convincing, feel-good, rational external-facing presentation about their new religion. And to bribe the media. And politicians. And academics. And campaign organizers. And non-profits. And let’s not forget my brethren, the artists, who, out of starvation and indignity, will then create beautiful, artful, moving ads for anything that pays. And by the time the circle is complete, we have a brand new public opinion and technically, still a “democracy”! If only those conspiracy theorists went away…

So, who are the people leading this, and how coordinated is this effort?

From the looks of it, it seems to be the usual suspects: top capitalists of the world, historically wealthy dynasties from different parts of Earth, members of secular and religious royalty, billionaires, etc.—in other words, it’s the people who have enough money to feel like this world is theirs, the 0.0001%—and maybe also the people immediately under them who are seeking upward mobility. Some familiar faces, some faces we’ve never seen.

Obviously, they are not a monolithic mass, and I am sure that they don’t agree with each other on everything and probably compete over who gets to eat more peasants. There is certainly rivalry between the American and the Chinese elites, for example, or between the American and the Russian elites—as well as between different individual super sharks. But all in all, even as they compete, they have shared interests and shared messaging, and there is more strategic camaraderie and common ground between them than between any of them and any of the peasants. For example, none of them is likely to turn down the idea of creating a new class of financial assets to make money off! In addition, they also have advisers—who, in turn, are competing with each other for the highest pay, trying to push their ideas through. All subjective, yet also extensively—and expensively—coordinated in areas of their shared interests.

And currently, the “winning” concept of the day seems to be a world filled with abbreviations: AI, 5G, IoT, and so on. A world where the money is digital, the food is lab-grown, where everything is counted and controlled by giant monopolies, and the people are largely deprived of free will. A world where each element of nature and each living being is either a data host, or a source of energy—or both. A world where the flow of the peasants’ everyday is micromanaged by ever-monitoring, ever-nudging AI that registers thoughts and feelings before the people even get a chance to make those thoughts and feeling their own. A world where living itself is outsourced to the machine, and a human being is essentially a meat suit.

Now, I don’t think that this exact vision will ever come true in full. It is likely to implode before it gets half-way there—and some of what I just described is no more than daydreaming of a very broken mind. But the powerful crazies are trying their best to make this nightmare reality. Thus, the danger is not in being overtaken by suddenly self-conscious AI but in the disruption of normal life and in the utter misery that the crazies may cause to our minds and bodies as they rush to slice and dice the world, using various convenient catch phrases such as “global health crisis” or “climate change.”

And yes, there is definitely coordination and continuity, as there is continuity in dynasties and philosophical trends. Some of it is more ephemeral, and some of it is more concrete. On the ephemeral side, the vision of the “resetters” is related to the futuristic ideas that were popular in the early 20th century, to the dream of a global corporate monopoly that propped up the bolshevik revolution of 1917, and to the overall crave of controlling the world with technology, something that was attempted and failed in the Soviet Union in the 60s—using the language very similar to today’s. On the concrete side, the Great Reset (which by the way is very well coordinated, to the extent that both Biden and Johnson are using the same coded words put forward by the WEF) grows out of the post-WWII efforts to maintain a “correct” power balance in the world, with “correct” financial interests reaping the benefits.

The “sustainability” language, which is an important pillar of the Great Reset marketing kit, was initially created as a part of various United Nation’s programs—such as “Agenda 21” and “Agenda 2030,” and I am sure that during the production of those programs, both elements—conspiracy and benevolence—were present. Both are sets of extremely dry and boring documents about resource management and justice, which read like something written by a tired, square Soviet teacher with a good grasp of bureaucratic terms, written mostly to justify the paycheck of the bureaucrats and the existence of the United Nations. What’s interesting about the latter is that typically, the UN is pretty useless, meaning that people get together, talk, come up with long bureaucratic documents and non-binding resolutions—and then nothing of essence happens. But not this time. Not now. The program’s on! So it must be important to somebody who’s paying. And yes, I am cynical. In everything that happens, there is always a combination of good intentions, greed, ambition, personal relationships, financial interests, delusions, and so on. Politicians talk to financiers, generals talk to politicians, somebody is somebody else’s uncle, and this is how things get done. Unfortunately, the less straightforward the top-down messaging, and the more abundant the propaganda, the less the value of good intentions, and the easier it is for villains to pull off utter absurdities.

And of course, initiatives of such great magnitude may go through very long and quiet “planning phases,” during which the desired ideas are being planted in the heads of the desired people through private conversations, small meeting, funded research, industry conventions, and the like. So by the time the “action” button is pressed, it feels like a trend is already there. And let me repeat again, absolutely everything in history is a result of subjective choices made by subjective people. The way everything in history happens is that people get together, decide what they want to do, and do it. When important people act, the impact is more visible. So, in a way, everything is a “conspiracy,” because everything comes through human agency. And often, the important people cover up their deeds, that shouldn’t be a radical idea.

And yes, by now, the top power holders in the West have figured out that it’s more cost-effective and less labor-consuming for them to just bribe the media “of record,” the scientists, the academics, the politicians, and even the “controlled opposition”—and have them convince the peasants—than to police everything and everyone by force. And by the way, while the pinnacle of this tower is a conspiracy in earnest, in a sense of it being a coordinated effort where the masterminds are acting in general alignment with each other, without disclosing their true long-term goals to the peasants—the rest of the tower is probably the usual human stuff, multiplied by the lack of the old-fashioned, moral sense of responsibility. The usual human stuff is a medley of ambition, hustling, greed, carelessness, arrogance, and even good intentions. The closer to the bottom, the more ignorance and the better the intentions—because most people do believe that they are doing good—but it doesn’t change the tragic trajectory of the “resetting” cavalcade.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:26 pm

Elvis » 26 Aug 2021 19:56 wrote:The yellow star comparison is a little overwrought. Jesus fucking Christ.


The yellow star comparison is "overwrought"?

But demanding Big Tech proof of having been injected with the most current booster of a shitty leaky vaccine (and dismissing negative COVID-19 tests) for entering public buildings, flying on airplanes, and receiving healthcare is a perfectly wrought response. Right?

Color me gobsmacked by how the gut reaction of so many (if and when they finally allow themselves to stare down the slippery slope of this Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and Big Brother abyss) is to reflexively defend it.

"I mean, come on! This is nothing whatsoever like genocide! How dare you make such an insulting (and unproductive) comparison!"

Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:31 pm

I listened to most of this. Awesome that someone got it all transcribed. I only posted a snippet. We are not dealing with rational people

Mattias Desmet is Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium. He was the final guest at the Corona Committee Session 63: Eye of the Storm, conducted on 30 July 2021. This is a transcript of the English portions of the recording, edited to enhance readability.


https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxVie ... esmet.html

“ If you have these four things—lack of social bonds, lack of sense-making, free-floating anxiety, and free-floating psychological discontent—then society is highly at risk for the emergence of mass phenomenon.
(00:09:11): What we have to realize, if we want to change this state of affairs, is that the first thing we have to do is acknowledge this painful anxiety. To think about why we got in the state of lack of sense-making, lack of social bonds, free-floating anxiety, the massive psychological discontent, and try to tell people, now we don’t need a Corona Crisis to establish a new social bond. We have to look for other ways to deal with the psychological problems that existed before the Corona Crisis and try to find other solutions. We don’t need this kind of mass phenomenon to solve the problems.

(00:09:57): Mass formation is actually a symptomatic solution for a real psychological problem. In my opinion, this crisis in the first place is a large societal and psychological crisis much more than a biological crisis, let’s say. From this state of mental intoxication you can explain all the rest of the phenomenon of totalitarianism. The mental intoxication leads to a to a narrowing of the field of attention. It makes people only see what is indicated by the narrative.

(00:10:41): For instance, people see the victims of the Corona virus, but they don’t seem to see at the cognitive level, the collateral damage of the lockdowns and all the victims that are claimed by the lockdowns. They are also not able, at an emotional level, to really feel empathy for the victims of the lockdowns. That is not because they are very egoistic. No, it’s just an effect of this psychological phenomenon. And it’s definitely—even as a consequence of mass formation, people do not get egoistic at all. But rather, to the contrary, mass formation focuses your attention so much on one point that you can take everything away of people—their psychological and physical wellbeing, their material wellbeing—you can take it away and they will not even notice it.

(00:11:41): That’s one of the major consequences of mass formation. It’s exactly the same as hypnosis, as classical hypnosis. When a hypnotist—during hypnosis someone’s attention is focused on one point, you can cut in his flesh, the person will not notice it. That is what happens all the time. When a hypnosis is used as a kind of an anesthesia during a surgical operation, a rather simple hypnotic procedure is sufficient to make people completely insensitive to pain. You can, without any problem, cut in their flesh. Even under some circumstances you can perform an open heart operation in which the surgeon cuts straight through the breastbone and the patient will not notice this. That shows us that the focusing of attention is so strong, both in mass formation or in hypnosis, that people are really insensitive to all the personal losses they experience as a consequence.

(00:12:51): Another consequence, that is very typical for totalitarian states, is that people become radically intolerant for dissonant voices. Because if someone tells another story, if someone claims that the official story is wrong, then this person threatens to wake the people up and they will get angry because they’re confronted with the initial anxiety and the initial psychological discontent. So they direct all that aggression at these dissonant voices, at the other voices. And at the same time, they are radically tolerant for their leaders, for the people who pronounce the mainstream narrative. These people can actually cheat and lie and manipulate and do everything they want, but they will always be forgiven by the crowd because the crowd seems to think that they do it for their own sake. That’s also part of the mechanism of mass formation.


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In the OP I forgot this snip:

Viviane Fischer (01:00:38): But if we have 40% silent or silent majority that’s just going along, I mean, they are, they have not bought into the narrative at all. They’re just afraid. So if they have some kind of crowd where life is maybe more fun, or where it’s going in another direction, they see that this is something attractive. Do you think they could just switch gears and just turn around and run in the other direction?

Prof Desmet (01:01:10): Yes of course. And they will sooner or later. But first our story, our alternative view on man in the world must be concrete enough and there are also other factors that will play of course. Totalitarianism and mass formation have one main characteristic: that it is always self-destructive. It’s something that was observed by Hannah Arendt, it was observed by McDougall, it was observed by Gustave Le Bon and one way or another, the masses and the totalitarian systems are only capable for destruction, never for construction. It was very, very striking that no matter what totalitarian leaders such as Stalin or Hitler did, it always ended up as a failure and it always ended up in destruction.

(01:02:00): For me, that’s one of the very dangerous things in this situation. I’m not a biologist, I’m not a vaccinologist, I’m not an immunologist, but I’m just relying on this psychological law that the masses are only capable of destruction and totalitarianism is only capable of destruction. Something in these systems seems to make it inevitable that each project ends up in destruction. That makes it a very difficult situation, of course. And because actually now that the mainstream ideology intervenes immediately in the body, in the physical body of the patients and it would be the case that also they are part of a mass phenomenon, then we could already predict that all the measures that are taken, including vaccination and all the rest, that it could end up as a dramatic failure. Well why did I say that? ...

Viviane Fischer (01:03:13): Because of the self-destructiveness of the totalitarianism.

Prof Desmet (01:03:18): Yes, indeed. That’s what we have to do. I think if we can keep people with our alternative voice, even a little bit awake, in particular this group who doesn’t really, is not really hypnotized, if we can keep them a little bit awake until the facts are so clear, the damage done by the system is so clear, then they might see it. The fully hypnotized group will never see it. That’s the strange thing. You can take them, you can destroy them completely. You can do what you want with them. They will undergo it and they will not wake up. But the other group, the 40%, will be motivated if there is more and more damage, they’ll be motivated to start to speak up aloud. And that’s the tipping point. I think that’s the point where someone can change and we reach this point quicker and faster, the more we can keep them awake. So that’s why I think in my opinion, I have to be careful if I say that, but I think it’s better for us all to continue to speak in a public space.

Justus Hoffmann (01:04:28): I think that that’s true because common sense dictates that this kind of society is not sustainable. You can’t drive such an immense—create such an immense rift in the society, and such a divide, and expect the society to uphold itself. It’s impossible.

Prof Desmet (01:04:52): No, no. It’s impossible, yes.

Viviane Fischer (01:04:55): Do you know what struck me is that when you look at, for instance Nazi times, at least if you were part of the crowd that was the good crowd—I mean in their kind of point of view, that you could, then you could join for instance, [German phrase], I mean, what’s that ‘power through happiness,’ you could go on a holiday vacation that they provided, you could be part of this crowd of the blonde, white people, whatever, and you had privileges. Here, we see that if you play along, if you really stick to all these crazy rules, you have even less fun than the others who maybe sat together and celebrated their birthday party and then maybe got a letter from the police. But in the end, nothing happens like as we see this now in a lot of cases. So what’s making this, is it not necessary to at least provide something that’s a little bit fun if you want to lure people into this totalitarianism? Or is this, as you said, really just like getting the anxiety that you had before, that you now have an anchor point for that and having fun does not play any role at all?

Prof Desmet (01:06:16): No, I don’t know. I will refer again to Gustave Le Bon who observed already in the 19th century, that the masses always have a preference for harsh and strict leaders who are cruel to their own people. So I hope our experts or our people who come to the fore now as the leaders do not realize this, but the harsher they are and the more they take away of the people, the more success they will have.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:35 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:26 pm wrote:
Elvis » 26 Aug 2021 19:56 wrote:The yellow star comparison is a little overwrought. Jesus fucking Christ.


The yellow star comparison is "overwrought"?

But


No, none of what follows is a but.

And don't fucking lie, there's almost no one been here who supports or defends or at any point supported or defended the programs now being implemented.

Best thing you can do first is to describe what you see happening here and now, and don't think every one of a billion possible historical comparisons is the same. Because none of them are, and very few are informative to the current case. It is without precedent in scale, speed and uniqueness. It has long roots but is entirely new in implementation.

Those who are taking it straight to the Nazi holocaust are

1) doing it because they're morons who don't know shit about anything, so basically this is the only analogy in their toolkit of inapplicable metaphors and comparisons,

and/or

2) doing it because it shocks to no constructive effect, and that's fun and transgressive,

and/or

3) doing it because they intentionally want to sabotage the opposition to it.

Take your pick which of those you belong to. I suppose victimization whores are also in the mix.

If you can't even see that 3 -- sabotage of the resistance to the unfolding developments -- is the guaranteed effect, then that means you're in group 1. You are working for your enemy, either intentionally or out of simplemindedness.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:31 pm

JackRiddler » 26 Aug 2021 21:35 wrote:
stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:26 pm wrote:
Elvis » 26 Aug 2021 19:56 wrote:The yellow star comparison is a little overwrought. Jesus fucking Christ.


The yellow star comparison is "overwrought"?

But


No, none of what follows is a but.

And don't fucking lie, there's almost no one been here who supports or defends or at any point supported or defended the programs now being implemented.

Best thing you can do is to describe what you see and don't think every one of a billion possible historical comparisons is the same, because none of them are and very few are informative to the current case. It is without precedent in scale, speed and uniqueness. It has long roots but is entirely new in implementation.

Those who are taking it straight to the Nazi holocaust are

1) doing it because they're morons who don't know shit about anything, so basically this is the only analogy in their toolkit of inapplicable metaphors and comparisons, and/or

2) doing it because it shocks to no constructive effect, and that's fun and transgressive, and/or

3) doing it because they intentionally want to sabotage the opposition to it.

Take your pick which of those you belong to. I suppose victimization whores are also in the mix.

If you can't even see that 3 -- sabotage of the resistance to the unfolding developments -- is the guaranteed effect, then that means you're in group 1. You are working for your enemy, either intentionally or out of simplemindedness.

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LOL. Sabotage what exactly? Your city and my city have already passed dictatorial mandates decreeing that every single person who cannot produce Big Tech proof of that he or she has received both doses of one of two shitty, leaky, animal killing yet never before used on humans mRNA vaccines are to be treated as second class citizens in perpetuity, even if they can prove they are perfectly healthy using the same tests whose already clearly declining positive status supposedly justifies this terrifying Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother discrimination.

And I haven't read a single peep out of you not to mention any of my former (?) personal friends about any of this. Instead, my former (?) friends are now wholly protected from unclean pariahs like me as well as our unclean questions about this clear authoritarian overreach so that their already accelerating in-group polarization against the vile unvaccinated can keep snowballing and snowballing without impediment. So please tell me, exactly what secret "reasoned resistance effort" am I sabotaging? Because I see none at all.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:48 pm

Actually, if you didn't have the knee-jerk response like the Dr., you would notice I never wrote we were in a holocaust. It would be jumping the shark to end up that way, but does anyone here really trust those who have created this global mess? My comparisons were put into an outline form for easy reading and the most relevant items were highlighted in bold. They are meant as red flags. If Dr. Evil hadn't for years bragged how he wanted to punch a Nazi maybe I wouldn't have pointed the comparisons in his direction. Either put up, or shut up. Either punch the real Nazis or go back to jerking off.

I suppose victimization whores are also in the mix.


Yes, I'm a victim whore, and you're a fucking asshole.

You don't like outspoken and salty language that is to the point. I often use personal experience and my own observations because in the end the most reliable thing we have is what we see and hear, not 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand info. So yeah, I could fucking give two shits if you think that dealing with the shitty parts of this makes me a victim whore. Go fuck yourself.

I bet all your logical and rational arguments protesting your Mayor Deblabbio have really made a tremendous impact on the rescinding of the vaccine passport mandate in NYC. I'm sure those that are brainwashed are really buying into your eloquent prose.

Post some real life examples of how calling this fascists dicks Nazis has really hurt the resistance. Please, either post some real life examples or fuck off. Then, to strengthen your argument post real life examples of how your methods are successful. Or will you bow out like the last time and pretend not to care?

Your #1 item about those who you consider don't know shit and should shut up, or just follow your methods might have some real world experience that lends them to feel quite justified in calling a dick a dick, or a repressive authoritarian asshole a Nazi. Are you helping the resistance, or just throwing darts because the comparisons don't match quite like you think they should?

I can't fucking wait to read your next post about Trump and how repressive he was and what a horrible dick he was and how he had a direct negative impact on your life. And you insinuate others are victimization whores as means of some superiority bullshit.

Grand-global conspiracy narratives can appeal to a common socio-psychological make-up that hankers for denial and magic and simplicity, for stories that attribute social ills and human troubles to a single corruption that can be theoretically excised, restoring a normality that never existed as it is now imagined.


Is that your way of suggesting that we should just bend over and take it? Get the jab? Stop whining about having to wear masks? Oh those stupid morons for wanting to get back to when it was "normal" to not live in a lockdown, have to wear a mask, get injected with some corporate shit poison or have to carry a vaccine passport.
Were you suggesting that perhaps life without the fucking masks, vaccines, lockdowns and jingo fear porn was somehow just a wet dream? That we were all fucking morons imagining it was nice to take a walk in the park or on a sunny beach without a fucking mask?
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:03 pm

Hey, folks!

In the interest of returning us all to our regularly scheduled thread in which all of you who loves mask, lockdown and vaccine mandates simply refrain from ever subjecting your reasons for your views to public scrutiny, I propose a much better historical analogy, which is that of Weimer Germany's persecution of unclean Gypsies in the 1920s.

In 1920, in a book entitled ‘The Eradication of Lives Undeserving of Life’, two Germans called Binding and Hoche actually described the Roma living in Germany as being ‘unworthy of life’. The crime that they were accused of was transmitting genetic disease.

During the 1920s, the oppression of Roma in Germany had increased immensely. In 1920 they were actually forbidden to enter parks and public baths. In 1925 a conference was actually held on ‘The Gypsy Question’ which then resulted in new laws actually requiring unemployed Roma gypsies to be sent to work camps ‘for reasons of public security’ and for all Roma to now be registered with the police.

After 1927, all Roma, even young children, were forced to carry identification cards bearing their fingerprints and photographs. In 1929, The Central Office for the Fight Against the Gypsies in Germany was set up in Munich. In 1933, ten days before the Nazis came to power, government officials in Burgeland called for the withdrawal of all civil rights from the Roma people.


There. All better now. Right?
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Postby norton ash » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:01 pm

Yellow Stars are way, way too long a reach for the idiots who say "Big deal. We've always needed vax cards for public school or travel." You have to begin with whether they're ok with people being denied basic rights and freedoms because they won't take an experimental drug. Ask them if they're willing to put the needle in someone suffering from PTSD because of abuse at the hands of medical professionals. The Hitler argument comes later-- it can begin with "Would you be compliant with your neighbours being arrested for not being vaxed, or having their kids taken away?"

Begin smaller than the 6 million argument.
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Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:28 pm

At some point last year Morrisons, a UK Supermarket chain now owned by the Koch Brother(s) insisted that people who were exempt from wearing masks should wear a yellow sticker to 'identify them' for other shoppers, to somehow diffuse or mitigate 'risk'. This actually happened. We know about it because one disabled man who objected to wearing the 'Lanyard' was threatened with having the police called and it promptly made headlines. We don't discover what shape the stickers were.

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Postby drstrangelove » Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:21 pm



Seems people don't even need to fight against state vaccine mandates. They can just opt out.
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Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:34 am

stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:02 pm wrote:
DrEvil » 26 Aug 2021 13:18 wrote:Quick update: I just received my second shot of the Pfizer/Davos vaccine (I got the second shot in the other arm for optimal 5G coverage), and I can already hear Bill Gates whispering in the back of my mind (uuuuseee Eeeedgeeee. Buuuyyyy Gaaaameeeepaaaass). I haven't decided on a data plan yet, but I'm leaning towards SorosTel. They have very reasonable rates if you allow push notifications.


Translation: "I made the choice to be vaccinated, and I'm perfectly fine."

And? And?

Nobody is claiming that everyone who gets vaccinated dies, gets sick, or even will face as yet unknown long term heath risks. I have never claimed this, and I sure hope it is not true. I wish everyone who made the choice to vaccinate the best of health. If somebody here were simply to provide me with the relevant data of the overall better health outcomes of vaccinated populations vs, comparable unvaccinated populations over the past few months, I would be more than happy to join your superior race.

But what you forgot to add was "I made the choice to be vaccinated, and I'm perfectly fine with stripping you of your human rights unless you can produce the phone app QR code that proves that you made the same choice."


Apologies for trying to lighten the mood. Won't happen again. Also, what do you have against shrubland?

But what you forgot to add was [i]"I made the choice to be vaccinated, and I'm perfectly fine with stripping you of your human rights unless you can produce the phone app QR code that proves that you made the same choice."


How does me getting vaccinated translate to me wanting to strip your human rights?
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Postby drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:22 am

Background: Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods: We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups: (1)SARS-CoV-2-naive individuals who received a two-dose regimen of the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, (2)previously infected individuals who have not been vaccinated, and (3)previously infected and single dose vaccinated individuals. Three multivariate logistic regression models were applied. In all models we evaluated four outcomes: SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, COVID-19-related hospitalization and death. The follow-up period of June 1 to August 14, 2021, when the Delta variant was dominant in Israel. Results: SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naive vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naive vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected. Conclusions: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.


-https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:30 am

stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:26 pm wrote:
But demanding Big Tech proof of having been injected with the most current booster of a shitty leaky vaccine (and dismissing negative COVID-19 tests) for entering public buildings, flying on airplanes, and receiving healthcare is a perfectly wrought response. Right?



drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:21 am wrote:

Seems people don't even need to fight against state vaccine mandates. They can just opt out.



As if the global machine has offered us a choice which offers its own elegant resolution to the impasse:

"If you want to be the identity we gave you, live in the dreams we build for you, if you don't want us to take away all your pretty toys, then you must sacrifice yourself to us in mind and spirit and body."

"Let me think about this for a moment. Okay, I've thought about it. Fuck you, your dreams and all your toys. Goodbye."
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