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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 4:11 am

TOKYO, Aug 27 (Reuters) - A contaminant found in a batch of Moderna Inc's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccines delivered to Japan is believed to be a metallic particle, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported, citing sources at the health ministry.

Japan on Thursday suspended the use of 1.63 million doses shipped to 863 vaccination centres nationwide, more than a week after the domestic distributor, Takeda Pharmaceutical (4502.T), received reports of contaminants in some vials.

The NHK report, published late on Thursday, cited ministry sources as saying the particle reacted to magnets and was therefore suspected to be a metal. Moderna has described it as "particulate matter" that did not pose a safety or efficacy issue.

An official at the health ministry said the identity of the contaminant has not been confirmed.


https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-27/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/ ... suspended/

The possibilities from here are almost too funny, that I want to live in this current moment of 'pending further information' for as long as possible

Hate it or love it, 5g magnet vaccine theory has a base! Not a strong base, not a base I would go remotely near. But it is no longer baseless to fear a magnetic vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:49 am

stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:26 pm wrote:
Elvis » 26 Aug 2021 19:56 wrote:The yellow star comparison is a little overwrought. Jesus fucking Christ.


The yellow star comparison is "overwrought"?

But demanding Big Tech proof of having been injected with the most current booster of a shitty leaky vaccine (and dismissing negative COVID-19 tests) for entering public buildings, flying on airplanes, and receiving healthcare is a perfectly wrought response. Right?

Color me gobsmacked by how the gut reaction of so many (if and when they finally allow themselves to stare down the slippery slope of this Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and Big Brother abyss) is to reflexively defend it.

"I mean, come on! This is nothing whatsoever like genocide! How dare you make such an insulting (and unproductive) comparison!"

Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?


Fucking hell man, no one is defending it. How hard is this to understand:

Taking issue with the specific use of the yellow star does not equal being in favor of the "full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness".

It's the messaging, not the message.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:50 am

drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:11 am wrote:
TOKYO, Aug 27 (Reuters) - A contaminant found in a batch of Moderna Inc's (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccines delivered to Japan is believed to be a metallic particle, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported, citing sources at the health ministry.

Japan on Thursday suspended the use of 1.63 million doses shipped to 863 vaccination centres nationwide, more than a week after the domestic distributor, Takeda Pharmaceutical (4502.T), received reports of contaminants in some vials.

The NHK report, published late on Thursday, cited ministry sources as saying the particle reacted to magnets and was therefore suspected to be a metal. Moderna has described it as "particulate matter" that did not pose a safety or efficacy issue.

An official at the health ministry said the identity of the contaminant has not been confirmed.


https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-08-27/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/ ... suspended/

The possibilities from here are almost too funny, that I want to live in this current moment of 'pending further information' for as long as possible

Hate it or love it, 5g magnet vaccine theory has a base! Not a strong base, not a base I would go remotely near. But it is no longer baseless to fear a magnetic vaccine.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:44 am

My mind is perpetually unmade up about things. Which is to say it is always changing but never changes. I have time to see how things play out.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:05 am

Fucking hell man, no one is defending it. How hard is this to understand:

Taking issue with the specific use of the yellow star does not equal being in favor of the "full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness".

It's the messaging, not the message.


Outline your approach that will be effective in this and help the resistance.

Discrimination is a real thing. Segregation is a real thing.

If you and JR are going to scream foul then offer your solution.

Do you dare share how you feel about all the shit we've been discussing here that has an impact on real lives? Maybe the problem is you're in a bubble and none of this has an impact on you. Or maybe you don't go outside.....or maybe you don't live in the U.S.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:06 am

stickdog99 » 27 Aug 2021 08:31 wrote:
JackRiddler » 26 Aug 2021 21:35 wrote:
stickdog99 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:26 pm wrote:
Elvis » 26 Aug 2021 19:56 wrote:The yellow star comparison is a little overwrought. Jesus fucking Christ.


The yellow star comparison is "overwrought"?

But


No, none of what follows is a but.

And don't fucking lie, there's almost no one been here who supports or defends or at any point supported or defended the programs now being implemented.

Best thing you can do is to describe what you see and don't think every one of a billion possible historical comparisons is the same, because none of them are and very few are informative to the current case. It is without precedent in scale, speed and uniqueness. It has long roots but is entirely new in implementation.

Those who are taking it straight to the Nazi holocaust are

1) doing it because they're morons who don't know shit about anything, so basically this is the only analogy in their toolkit of inapplicable metaphors and comparisons, and/or

2) doing it because it shocks to no constructive effect, and that's fun and transgressive, and/or

3) doing it because they intentionally want to sabotage the opposition to it.

Take your pick which of those you belong to. I suppose victimization whores are also in the mix.

If you can't even see that 3 -- sabotage of the resistance to the unfolding developments -- is the guaranteed effect, then that means you're in group 1. You are working for your enemy, either intentionally or out of simplemindedness.

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LOL. Sabotage what exactly? Your city and my city have already passed dictatorial mandates decreeing that every single person who cannot produce Big Tech proof of that he or she has received both doses of one of two shitty, leaky, animal killing yet never before used on humans mRNA vaccines are to be treated as second class citizens in perpetuity, even if they can prove they are perfectly healthy using the same tests whose already clearly declining positive status supposedly justifies this terrifying Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother discrimination.

And I haven't read a single peep out of you not to mention any of my former (?) personal friends about any of this. Instead, my former (?) friends are now wholly protected from unclean pariahs like me as well as our unclean questions about this clear authoritarian overreach so that their already accelerating in-group polarization against the vile unvaccinated can keep snowballing and snowballing without impediment. So please tell me, exactly what secret "reasoned resistance effort" am I sabotaging? Because I see none at all.


You can get fake vaccine passports online. Just get one of them and do what you want.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:16 am

drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:44 pm wrote:My mind is perpetually unmade up about things. Which is to say it is always changing but never changes. I have time to see how things play out.


Sorry, that was meant as a joke. You'll change your mind whether you want to or not once you have the Gates mind control chips injected through the vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:57 am

Karmamatterz » Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:05 pm wrote:
Fucking hell man, no one is defending it. How hard is this to understand:

Taking issue with the specific use of the yellow star does not equal being in favor of the "full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness".

It's the messaging, not the message.


Outline your approach that will be effective in this and help the resistance.

Discrimination is a real thing. Segregation is a real thing.

If you and JR are going to scream foul then offer your solution.

Do you dare share how you feel about all the shit we've been discussing here that has an impact on real lives? Maybe the problem is you're in a bubble and none of this has an impact on you. Or maybe you don't go outside.....or maybe you don't live in the U.S.


Contrary to popular belief I don't frequent this place because I like fascism. I'm sorry if I don't display the required levels of outrage to be considered part of the in-group, but my sentiments mirror what's already been said, even if I don't shout it from the rooftops twice a day.

As for solutions: Honestly, I don't think there's any good solutions, which is why I haven't offered any ("burn it all to the ground" isn't very helpful). You can talk, shout and resist until you're blue in the face, but the ruling class won't give a flying fuck as long as there's money to be made. If you make enough of a nuisance of yourself you'll be managed. They won decades ago, so the only thing that might do it is full on revolution, or some other shock to the system so severe it can't be ignored, and that won't be pretty.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:45 am

Canadian criminal defence lawyer, Nicholas Wansbutter points out that under Canadian law, any gene therapy or 'vaccine' administered under any form of coercion "consent given under fear or duress" is NOT CONSENT and under Canadian law is therefore considered assault. Anyone who administers the injection in the current conditions is de facto guilty of violent assault.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:58 am

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:08 am




https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-bizarre-refusal-to-apply-cost

The Bizarre Refusal to Apply Cost-Benefit Analysis to COVID Debates

Are those who oppose a ban on cars or a radical reduction in speed limits sociopaths, given the huge number of people they are knowingly consigning to death or maiming?

Glenn Greenwald, Aug 25


In virtually every realm of public policy, Americans embrace policies which they know will kill people, sometimes large numbers of people. They do so not because they are psychopaths but because they are rational: they assess that those deaths that will inevitably result from the policies they support are worth it in exchange for the benefits those policies provide. This rational cost-benefit analysis, even when not expressed in such explicit or crude terms, is foundational to public policy debates — except when it comes to COVID, where it has been bizarrely declared off-limits.

The quickest and most guaranteed way to save hundreds of thousands of lives with policy changes would be to ban the use of automobiles, or severely restrict their usage to those authorized by the state on the ground of essential need (e.g., ambulances or food-delivery vehicles), or at least lower the nationwide speed limit to 25 mph. Any of those policies would immediately prevent huge numbers of human beings from dying. Each year, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC), “1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world,” while “crashes are a leading cause of death in the United States for people aged 1–54.” Even with seat belts and airbags, a tragic number of life-years are lost given how many young people die or are left permanently and severely disabled by car accidents. Studies over the course of decades have demonstrated that even small reductions in speed limits save many lives, while radical reductions — supported by almost nobody — would eliminate most if not all deaths from car crashes.

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Given how many deaths and serious injuries would be prevented, why is nobody clamoring for a ban on cars, or at least severe restrictions on who can drive (essential purposes only) or how fast (25 mph)? Is it because most people are just sociopaths who do not care about the huge number of lives lost by the driving policies they support, and are perfectly happy to watch people die or be permanently maimed as long as their convenience is not impeded? Is it because they do not assign value to the lives of other people, and therefore knowingly support policies — allowing anyone above 15 years old to drive, at high speeds — that will kill many children along with adults?

That may explain the motivation scheme for a few people, but in general, the reason is much simpler and less sinister. It is because we employ a rational framework of cost-benefit analysis, whereby, when making public policy choices, we do not examine only one side of the ledger (number of people who will die if cars are permitted) but also consider the immense costs generated by policies that would prevent those deaths (massive limits on our ability to travel, vastly increased times to get from one place to another, restrictions on what we can experience in our lives, enormous financial costs from returning to the pre-automobile days). So foundational is the use of this cost-benefit analysis that it is embraced and touted by everyone from right-wing economists to the left-wing European environmental policy group CIVITAS, which defines it this way:

Social Cost Benefit Analysis [is] a decision support tool that measures and weighs various impacts of a project or policy. It compares project costs (capital and operating expenses) with a broad range of (social) impacts, e.g. travel time savings, travel costs, impacts on other modes, climate, safety, and the environment.


This framework, above all else, precludes an absolutist approach to rational policy-making. We never opt for a society-altering policy on the ground that “any lives saved make it imperative to embrace” precisely because such a primitive mindset ignores all the countervailing costs which this life-saving policy would generate (including, oftentimes, loss of life as well: banning planes, for instance, would save lives by preventing deaths from airplane crashes, but would also create its own new deaths by causing more people to drive cars).

While arguments are common about how this framework should be applied and which specific policies are ideal, the use of cost-benefit analysis as the primary formula we use is uncontroversial — at least it was until the COVID pandemic began. It is now extremely common in Western democracies for large factions of citizens to demand that any measures undertaken to prevent COVID deaths are vital, regardless of the costs imposed by those policies. Thus, this mentality insists, we must keep schools closed to avoid the contracting by children of COVID regardless of the horrific costs which eighteen months or two years of school closures impose on all children.

It is impossible to overstate the costs imposed on children of all ages from the sustained, enduring and severe disruptions to their lives justified in the name of COVID. Entire books could be written, and almost certainly will be, on the multiple levels of damage children are sustaining, some of which — particularly the longer-term ones — are unknowable (long-term harms from virtually every aspect of COVID policies — including COVID itself, the vaccines, and isolation measures, are, by definition, unknown). But what we know for certain is that the harms to children from anti-COVID measures are severe and multi-pronged. One of the best mainstream news accounts documenting those costs was a January, 2021 BBC article headlined “Covid: The devastating toll of the pandemic on children.”

The “devastating toll” referenced by the article is not the death count from COVID for children, which, even in the world of the Delta variant, remains vanishingly small. The latest CDC data reveals that the grand total of children under 18 who have died in the U.S. from COVID since the start of the pandemic sixteen months ago is 361 — in a country of 330 million people, including 74.2 million people under 18. Instead, the “devastating toll” refers to multi-layered harm to children from the various lockdowns, isolation measures, stay-at-home orders, school closures, economic suffering and various other harms that have come from policies enacted to prevent the spread of the virus:

From increasing rates of mental health problems to concerns about rising levels of abuse and neglect and the potential harm being done to the development of babies, the pandemic is threatening to have a devastating legacy on the nation's young. . . .

The closure of schools is, of course, damaging to children's education. But schools are not just a place for learning. They are places where kids socialize, develop emotionally and, for some, a refuge from troubled family life.

Prof Russell Viner, president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, perhaps put it most clearly when he told MPs on the Education Select Committee earlier this month: "When we close schools we close their lives."


The richer you are, the less likely you are to be affected by these harms from COVID restrictions. Wealth allows people to leave their homes, hire private tutors, temporarily live in the countryside or mountains, or enjoy outdoor space at home. It is the poor and the economically deprived who bear the worst of these deprivations, which — along with not having children at all — may be one reason they are assigned little to no weight in mainstream discourse.

“The stress the pandemic has put on families, with rising levels of unemployment and financial insecurity combined with the stay-at-home orders, has put strain on home life up and down the land,” the BBC notes. But even for adults and those who are middle-class and above, severe and sustained isolation from community and life is bound to produce serious mental health harms, as two mental health experts I interviewed all the way back in April, 2020, warned.

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None of this is to say that these are easy calculations. How COVID deaths or hospitalizations are weighed against the grave harms from anti-COVID restrictions is a complex question, one that almost certainly yields different answers in different countries and cultures. It may even yield a different policy answer in the same country as the virus and the social conditions which COVID produces evolve. One can debate how the contagiousness of COVID compares to the huge number of people who lose their lives or ability to lead healthy lives every year (so often, this argument is met with the more or less accurate but irrelevant distinction that COVID is contagious while car accidents are not: how does that bear on one’s willingness to endorse road policies (such as allowing driving cars at high speeds) that will inevitably kill large numbers of people or one’s refusal to consider the countervailing costs of anti-COVID measures?).

Put another way, this is not an argument in favor of or against any particular policy undertaken in the name of fighting COVID. What it is, instead, is an attempt to highlight the pervasive and deeply misguided refusal to assign any costs to the harms caused by anti-COVID policies themselves.

Perhaps this irrational mindset is explainable by the fact that COVID hospitalizations and deaths are more dramatic than the more insidious, lurking harms from sustained life disruptions. Perhaps the rapidly declining rates of child-rearing in the West make it more difficult to observe or care about the damage all of this is doing to the developmental abilities and mental health of children. Perhaps other factors — from a psychological desire for parental protection in the form of authoritarian power or a warped sense of “safetyism” — is rendering any cost-benefit analysis morally unacceptable. None of those speculative theories, however, accounts for the virtually unanimous refusal to consider a ban on cars or a 25 mph nationwide speed limit; that willingness to sacrifice huge numbers of lives by opposing life-saving automobile policies seems driven by the inconvenience such policies would impose on particular groups of people.

Whatever is true about motives, what is unacceptable — sociopathic, really — is the insistence on assigning severe costs to just one side of the ledger (harms from COVID itself) while categorically refusing to recognize let alone value the costs on the other side of the ledger (from severe, enduring anti-COVID disruptions to and restrictions on life). Given the reflexive rage that is produced when one tries to make this argument — what immediately emerges are accusations that one is indifferent to COVID deaths — I wanted to walk through the evidence and rationale demonstrating why this approach is reckless, immoral and irrational.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:09 am

Nazi comparisons are extremely & embarrassingly over-wrought, a rhetorical own goal, the kind of shit I would be paying social media influencers to say if I was running black ops for a pharma lobbying firm.

It also obscures the real problem: none of those internment or quarantine camps will become an Andersonville or a Dachau. They won't even become a post-Katrina FEMA trailer park. They will become a precedent that gets brought up, early and often, as soon as the next novel biosecurity threat emerges. They won't be mass murder factories, they'll be normal. They'll be a part of normal life.

Anyone got a framework for what is going on with the Japanese story?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:32 am

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Briefly, since i need to cut myself off from the interwebs today:

I can only speak for myself, of course, but as I already raised in prior replies: the 'otherism', blatant discrimination, ostracism, employment/travel restrictions and overall consumer/citizen resentment towards the unvaccinated is absolutely (in my opinion) in-line/similar to groupthink/sentiments expressed during 1930s Germany. And we haven't peaked here, yet. More of this to come.

The claims of 'overwrought' are understandable with respect to direct parallel comparisons to Nazis/mass extermination protocols more explicitly -- though i don't believe this was the intent in the rhetoric here.

Also: if indeed, in the years ahead, lives of the fully vaccinated will be lost prematurely (and here i'm referring more specifically to those that were otherwise healthy/younger), it may not be another 'holocaust' or Nazi movement, but a 21st century version of aggressive eugenics, regardless (which some can argue has already been in place -- along a longer, more 'time-released' trajectory, for some years now. Current food production/pharma protocols, if followed without discernment, surely will aid in premature mortality).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:10 pm

The Nazis was just Neoplatonism. If you read Plato's republic it's all there. The eugenics angle died out, and is only entertained through horse breeding and what not these days.

So Nazism is not precise. Fascism is really just an economic organisation of industrial cartels bundled around a states monopoly on violence, that is literally fasces.

This is a new kind of authoritarian ism that hasn't fleshed itself out yet. It is mobilising the progressive metropolitan classes through making them identify with the state through their need to identity as educated, or in support of science.

What they really are doing, that I can actually observe, is striping away every social unit between the indervidual and the state. Even the family unit has succumbed to ideological division. The pandemic restrictions have been restrictions on communities. Life is no longer experienced in groups of interpersonal relationships, but remote hive minds online.

Basically, they want to destroy independent business and all grass roots social communities, so everyone is integrated into corporations, whose cultural policies are controlled by ESG information authorities run by the same people Jeffrey Epstein worked for.

But it won't work, because people always opt out. And they opt out because they have human needs the neither the state or corporation can fulfill.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:29 pm

^^^^^^^^^

Insightful.

Opted-out Agrarian communities would be welcome over any WEF-inspired vision, though i remain doubtful the latter will ever be fully realized. They're clearly making a strong push for it, though.


(Also, for those unfamiliar with ESG, here's a 'face value' semi-critique: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_wor ... _investing)
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