Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Karmamatterz]

Might as well just post memes here and skip with listing how the discrimination of today is similar to other nasty discrimination. Maybe we just say fuck it and not bother with any discomfort with any discrimination. Oh wait, the dog whistles do work if it's racial or related to gender. Everyone has been conditioned to the outrage of discrimination of blacks, gays, trans, or name the latest variety of ethnic slurs etc... When the modern forms emerge it's a big meh. Sharing things on here allows us to test ideas, look for validation or a critique. Compare notes and ideas. So the comparison to Nazis bothers you? I seem to recall a thread a few years back about abolishing the white race. Wow, that wasn't offensive at all. Let's examine how the white race could be dealt with. It was legit right? Some of you even wrote that. Sounds a like reverse Aryan Supremacy. For pages and pages folks wrote about history and the wrongs of the white man. Lots of comparisons to past atrocities. But you know, that was because it is much more trendy to complain about racisim that totalitarianism. It's really easy when under the comfy blanket of Mass Formation.

If I made mention we were headed for genocide via a concentration camp it was by mistake. Clearly, even in the non-fancy list form this bb offers I outline the things that are easily obvious with how low intensity discrimination started in 1930s Germany and how that was similar to now. Are we really now just focus solely on the brutality of the extreme genocide of the Nazis? Were they an affable fun bunch aside from murdering millions? Maybe those laws banning Jews, gays and gypsies from shops, public events and jobs weren't really weren't that bad. A tad mean spirited, but at least at first they didn't send them off to camps. They just had to live in separate neighborhoods, shop in different stores. Not so bad really. A minor convenience for them.

It's typical to see how the comparison immediately goes to the camps and most grisly aspects while IGNORING the lessor grotesque actions the Nazis committed against humans.

Every little inch they take from us is given with calls for calm and rational rhetoric. Just chill out. Quit screaming. End the nonsense and embarrassing comparisons. Just shush now! Let's all just sit at our keyboards and chat about this over a nice chianti or brandy. Seems every now and then RI is just for mental masturbation. Lets all play word salad then shit out some prose with a few adjectives rarely ever used and look important.

Four things need to exist or need to be in place if you want a large scale mass phenomenon to emerge. The first thing is that there needs to be a lot of socially isolated people, people who experience a lack of social bonds. The second one is that there needs to be a lot of people who experience a lack of sense-making in life. And the third and the fourth conditions are that there needs to be a lot of free-floating anxiety and a lot of free-floating psychological discontent. So: meaning, anxiety, and discontent that is not connected to a specific representation. So it needs to be in the mind without the people being able to connect it to something. If you have these four things—lack of social bonds, lack of sense-making, free-floating anxiety, and free-floating psychological discontent—then society is highly at risk for the emergence of mass phenomenon.

What they really are doing, that I can actually observe, is striping away every social unit between the indervidual and the state. Even the family unit has succumbed to ideological division. The pandemic restrictions have been restrictions on communities. Life is no longer experienced in groups of interpersonal relationships, but remote hive minds online.

Yes, spot on. All of us have the ability to step outside and meet others. Congregate and talk. Share a drink or a meal. Walk, exercise or hike. We don't have to fall for the bullshit of isolation. We can talk, write and share in detail what we are all experiencing instead of repressing this shit. If I feel like sharing with trusted individuals that these fuckers remind me of Nazis I'm going to state it. Am I going to walk into a local school board meeting and share my raw thoughts about Nazi comparisons? Ummm no. Have I and others often looked at RI as a semi-trusting place where crazy ideas and outrage can be shared? Yup, and I bet many others have. Some, not all, of the people who are telling me that I'm embarrassing have railed for years about Wall Street, Nazis real and unseen, white supremacy, global warming, Trump, Trump and more of Trump. They've written shitty and extremely derogatory things about various religions, people of certain faith, political beliefs, culture and where they live. They have the pulpit to bitch and scream about all sorts of things. But when we're drowning in Mass Formation (hysteria and brainwashing) the same people pretty much say chill out dude, just relax and enjoy it. Sorta like a woman should when being raped, right? It's gonna happen and there is nothing you can do about it, so just lay there and take it.

Don't isolate
Walk and talk
Congregate with like minded people and create social bonds
Help people make sense of things
Allow them to express outrage, then help them focus on next steps

Or just lay there and take it. We still have choices.

[Wombaticus Rex]

It's typical to see how the comparison immediately goes to the camps and most grisly aspects while IGNORING the lessor grotesque actions the Nazis committed against humans.

Because there is no room for that kind of nuance in public discourse, especially when you're invoking the foundational myth of the modern world, World War Two, the purifying manichean battle of good against evil that created Israel, NATO, the Eurodollar and the Washington Consensus. Hitler and Germany are part of a rhetorical package that is used as a cudgel by organizations like the ADL, and used by organizations like the CFR to sell every new war the West has fought since. Invoking this comparison comes at great cost and only creates new fronts to do battle on.

Few people care about your explanations because few people can hear past slogans and keywords. This is the reality of the playing field.

Seems every now and then RI is just for mental masturbation. Lets all play word salad then shit out some prose with a few adjectives rarely ever used and look important.

In the sense that RI is a text-based forum for writing and discussion, of course that is true.

But my point is rooted in tactical considerations for actually advancing your goals. Comparing vaccine resisters to Jews in Germany is, on a cost-benefit level, counterproductive hyperbole that will only lose ground and further marginalize you. It's playing into the hands of a media machine eager to frame you as crazy and dismiss your very real, valid concerns.

It's like the guys at anti-CRT meetings who bring up how African slaves were "actually" rounded up by other Africans, or sold by Arabs and Jews, or how Asians are racist, too. Just because that's true doesn't mean any of it is helping your cause.

[Belligerent Savant]

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WRex typed:

...my point is rooted in tactical considerations for actually advancing your goals. Comparing vaccine resisters to Jews in Germany is, on a cost-benefit level, counterproductive hyperbole that will only lose ground and further marginalize you. It's playing into the hands of a media machine eager to frame you as crazy and dismiss your very real, valid concerns.

Don't disagree with the above, but -- again, speaking for myself; can't presume to speak for others -- what I convey here in RI is largely not a direct representation of the arguments i'd pose to a broader (and arguably less 'aware', generally) audience.
This platform does not have the reach to be considered as a viable outward-messaging vehicle for attempts at change.
(Here the cynic in me can barely type 'change' without an eyeroll, but i continue to stubbornly refuse and resist anyway).

Even Twitter has limited capacity for this, albeit with a wider reach. Any social media 'influencer' that begins to dance around the border of verboten discourse, or otherwise reaches legit organizing clout -- and importantly, commands a formidable threshold of followers, enough to carry notable influence -- will be promptly censored or shut down.
(Side-note: Fuck twitter and social media, generally)

I use RI in many respects the same way i'd carry (in-person) convos among friends, fellow bar patrons, or certain social gatherings. In other words, it's a free form testing grounds of sorts for arguments i'd later refine or revise before presenting to a wider audience (such as a school board or employer, or more formal venue).

I for one encourage and greatly appreciate commentary along the lines of KMatterz and others here (even those contrarian, though i've yet to see truly contrarian positions articulated here to this point, with a few exceptions; regurgitating established narratives don't qualify).

[drstrangelove]

Don't isolate
Walk and talk
Congregate with like minded people and create social bonds
Help people make sense of things
Allow them to express outrage, then help them focus on next steps

Or just lay there and take it. We still have choices.

Spot on! In Australia they literally call covid cases, cases of 'community transmission', even though they are applying lockdown laws broadly at the state level. As in, a couple cases pop up in the state, they lockdown all communities, even rural ones without cases hours from the city. But people straight up ignore the rules now because the state govt can't enforce them.


On another note, the media narrative has suddenly segued to Afghanistan, to the point where it currently shares the news cycle with covid. So they've cut the available bandwidth of covid news. Could be for a number of reasons, one of which is obviously they think afganistan is news. Could this be a sign we may be starting to move on from this pandemic, in the sense they intend to normalise it now, or freeze the current narrative in time and move on before it unravels.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Hopefully the latter (a 'freeze' before an unraveling), and if so, that they roll back the despicable vaccine mandates for work, school and travel.

To return briefly to the comparison with 1930s Germany, the following comment from the latest open post at Ecosophia shares similar sentiment:

https://www.ecosophia.net/august-2021-o ... ment-70380

Naomi says:
August 26, 2021 at 8:21 pm

It has been touched on by others here already, But the parallels between Germany in the 1930s and America in the 2020s are getting a bit uncomfortable. For example, some of the measures currently being discussed, and which have been actually implemented in some cases, are to ban the unvaccinated from:

-media
-sports stadiums
-the armed forces
-high level executive positions
-teaching

These are all some of the very first measures initially used against the Jews in the 1930s in Germany. It is almost as if some elements of American society are actually copying the Nazi playbook.

I used to ask myself how historically could an educated, sophisticated, civilized majority group be so persuaded that a minority group was so dangerous that they would essentially ban them from all aspects of civil life and discourse?

Well, now I know. It’s when that majority population feels threatened in some way by the existence of that dangerous minority group. But, in particular, the rulers of the State, on some level, feel threatened by that group, and, as a result, they constantly push a propaganda narrative which feeds into the perception of the panicked and fearful majority group that the existence of the dangerous minority group is part of “THE PROBLEM” and it keeps escalating to the point of the FINAL SOLUTION… or in other words the final sacrifice of the individual, and minority rights on the altar of the ideal of healing society and solving “the problem”.

The story in the Tanach of the two goats sent into the wilderness – the one scapegoat to wander in the wilderness, and the other to be sacrificed, for the sins of the people, (for the purpose of achieving reconciliation with God), is very much playing on my mind here. Human beings seem to have coded within them a reflex urge for the blood of sacrificial victims for the common good in times of national distress.

And it doesn’t matter how much people scream that its totally different. It’s quite obviously not that much different. Even the groups which are affected are not that much different. Bloomberg did some research which indicated that many of the areas which have the lowest rate of vaccinations in New York are Orthodox Jewish areas and poor African American areas (the equivalent of Germany’s Roma in the 1930s?) and in other locations, we see a majority of conservative religious groups and classical liberals refusing the vaccine – the very same groups which probably ended up first in whatever concentration camps of whatever era of State intolerance and public turmoil, you would like to name. To my mind, it is very worrying and I am thankful to be able to let off steam on the subject in this blog.

Anyhow, if anybody is interested, Gail Tverberg has done a very good balanced analysis, to my mind, this month in her blog of some of the issues relating to the vaccine.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/08/05/c ... -as-hoped/

[drstrangelove]

The vaccine mandates will become a corporate thing I think. The current goverment mandates are likely temporary because they can't be enforced, which means people can just wait until the undeniable science behind natural immunity cannot be denied any longer and it will be accepted everyone will have antibodies. But they will have vaccinated the majority of people by then.

Though this is the most optimistic timeline. If vaccine enhanced disease is a thing, we are in for a wild ride.

My biggest concern is Israel. They haven't even hit the cold wet season and look at their numbers. As much as we all like vindication, I really hope the vaccines are just poor quality products, and not hazardous products.

[Harvey]

As much as we all like vindication, I really hope the vaccines are just poor quality products, and not hazardous products.

I hope so too but VAERS, currently reporting 13,600 Covid 'vaccine' related deaths is known to under report actual numbers by up to 100 times, which could indicate more than a million and a half dead so far. Judging by the publishing lag and deliberate removal and refusal of reports attested to by many doctors, we are potentially looking at many millions.

Everything known by us today about these products was known from the beginning by all the manufacturers - we know that for a fact, so we are potentially looking at the deliberate murder of more than a million and a half Americans.

What other comparisons do naysayers wish us to meaningfully apply? Asking for a friend.

[Harvey]

Testing the reaction?

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/cook-c ... ion-status

CHICAGO - A Chicago mother says a Cook County judge has taken away her parental rights after learning that she is not vaccinated against COVID-19.

In what all parties agree is a very unusual and perhaps unprecedented step, a judge at Chicago’s Daley Center has stripped Rebecca Firlit of custody because she refuses to get a vaccination shot.

[Harvey]

[Karmamatterz]

Obviously the design desk at the Toronto Star made a mistake and their April Fool edition they had hidden in a folder accidentally got released into production. There is no way in hell anybody would ever say such terrible things!

I'm embarrassed that you fell for such an obvious trick. Can we get back to real conspiracy theories now and be done with your prattling on about civil rights and your paranoias that some big pharma fascist boogeyman is out to get us all? Sheesh

[Karmamatterz]

Naomi says:
August 26, 2021 at 8:21 pm

It has been touched on by others here already, But the parallels between Germany in the 1930s and America in the 2020s are getting a bit uncomfortable. For example, some of the measures currently being discussed, and which have been actually implemented in some cases, are to ban the unvaccinated from:

-media
-sports stadiums
-the armed forces
-high level executive positions
-teaching

These are all some of the very first measures initially used against the Jews in the 1930s in Germany. It is almost as if some elements of American society are actually copying the Nazi playbook.

BelSav, why do you keep posting things from unstable people who are morons? Can't you tell this Naomi chica is just off her rocker and needs some meds? Naomi (if that is even her real name) needs to relax and learn how to take it. She should try to be a good Buddhist, live in the present, and stop with these nonsense references to the past. I'm off to my yoga class now. The vaxxed get a free glass of Château Lafite-Rothschild, Pauillac after savasana. You unvaxxed suckers can stick to that oily Victory Gin.

[Karmamatterz]

This makes me feel better about things. At least there is finally some movement to give unvaxxed people in the U.S. some travel freedom.

In response to a tweet about Afghans fleeing the country on a US military jet, a Twitter user asked: “Can we send the MAGA wearing unvaxxed to Afghanistan, no use sending that plane back empty?”

“Good idea,” Gen Hayden replied.

Now come here child, let me help you get ready for your vaccination. Don't worry, it's just a little prick. As soon as we shove this into your body you'll feel an overwhelming joy.
https://news.yahoo.com/ex-cia-chief-qui ... 53287.html

[Harvey]

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/08/david-fuller-example-of-how-unqualified.html

David Fuller: An example of how unqualified ‘journalists’ attempt to discredit and silence anybody publishing COVID-19 research that challenges the ‘official narrative’

Scott McLachlan



Introduction

On 12 August 2021 David Fuller wrote a long article[1] attempting to discredit the work of those who have challenged the ‘official’ narrative on the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and alternative treatments. His article claims to be a detailed investigation into two independent journalists who produce the Dark Horse podcast[2] - Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, as well as several of their on-air guests[3]. However, the article quickly descends into a polemic aimed at others including Dr Pierre Kory, myself and co-authors of this paper. As I will show here, when challenged about the personal attacks against me in the article, Fuller claimed he had never heard of me; when it was pointed out to him that his article contained an extensive attack against me he then tried to extricate himself from this by saying that he was not responsible for writing it - despite him being the sole named author.

Who is David Fuller?

David Fuller, is a “writer and journalist” who produces documentaries mainly for Channel 4 and the BBC[7]. Fuller started his own website called Rebel Wisdom[8] in 2018, which he describes as a platform for philosophical, transformational and cultural topics[9]. The website asserts that he blogs “frequently about politics, and the inner world”, but the link provided on that statement (https://medium.com/@davidfuller) takes you to the page shown in Fig. 1. We might be given to wonder who Samuel Hinton is and why a URL containing David Fuller’s name lands on an empty account for Mr Hinton - but this isn’t the only incongruity we will see in the writings and claims of David Fuller.

Figure 1: The @davidfuller page on Medium



Fuller claims to be engaged in a self-mediated truth-finding exercise he calls SenseMaking. However, from the outset his efforts are no different to those who have recently self-appointed themselves as ‘fact checkers’ - journalists often armed with little more qualification than a liberal arts or English literature degree who, for no other reason than the fact that they have found a platform, have decided they know more than clinicians, researchers and professors with far more appropriate qualifications in medicine, health science, health informatics, health law, mathematics or statistics. Often, these SenseMaking ‘fact checkers’ do little more than cross-link each other’s articles as ‘supporting evidence’ to debunk, discredit or deny what can sometimes be rigorously researched findings that run counter to the mainstream media’s COVID-19 narrative. And when they have nothing legitimate to support their views, ‘fact checkers’ like Fuller resort to indirect insults by linking to statements made by anonymous social media posters (Fig. 2 & 3) like uberfeminist described as the nastiest and vilest around (Fig. 4), which Fuller happily cites as though they are authoritative sources.

Fuller’s claims about our work

Fuller’s claims relate primarily to this article [10] in which I was the lead author with five other named co-authors. The article was a detailed analysis of a subset of the initial publicly available data (from VAERS) on vaccine adverse reaction. The article currently has over 89,000 reads on ResearchGate.

Media narrative, fact checking and Tucker Carlson in the ‘lead in’

Fuller opens his criticism of our work with the statement:

There hasn’t been a systematic response to the paper’s more detailed claims, but there are reasons to be suspicious[11].

He follows this imputation, presumably to demonstrate one of the alleged reasons, by stating:

Much of the lead-in to the paper is highly opinionated, a polemic against ‘the media narrative and fact-checking’ that mentions Tucker Carlson and several tweets the authors find objectionable.

This reproachful claim is deceptive and misleading.

First, nowhere in the ‘lead-in’ to our article do we mention Tucker Carlson. Nor do we discuss the media narrative or fact checkers. While these terms do arise in our paper, they only occur in the final paragraphs of the work. They occur in that area most academic works regard as the discussion, and have absolutely no bearing on the method or results already presented in the leading sections of the paper.

The characterisation by Fuller that we discuss these items in a manner highly opinionated and as a polemic is also wrong. Our crime, in Fuller’s estimation, appears to be that we lift the veil on who exactly the so-called fact checkers really are. That the vast majority, like him, are journalists lacking relevant qualifications in the often highly technical, clinical and contested domains they claim to be fact checking[12]. We make very clear that the reason we mention Carlson is because he is the only major TV presenter to have asked the following obvious questions about the same VAERS data we were analysing:

How many people have died after taking [this medication]?
What are the potential risks from taking [this medication]?
What do we really know about the potential risks from taking [this medication]?

We simply pointed out that these were appropriate questions to ask and did not comment on anything else said in Carlson’s piece to camera.

Our ‘credentials’

In addition to trying to discredit our research of the basis of what he assumes our political beliefs to be, Fuller impugns our credentials. He writes:

The paper is a preprint... and it’s authors don’t seem to have the best credentials, either.

He doesn’t support this claim either directly in its own paragraph, or even in the next paragraph. He leaves this claim hanging as if presenting knowledge that is either notorious or a fait accompli.

For the record, before gaining my PhD in computer science and health informatics I gained separate Masters degrees in Science and Law, which in turn had followed previous undergraduate study in health (clinical nursing), computer and information sciences. I am extensively published in the area of health informatics and health data analysis. These would seem to be relevant qualifications for someone analysing and commenting on what is a large health reporting dataset.

My co-authors hold a variety of similarly relevant top-shelf qualifications. Fenton is world-renowned expert in probabilistic risk assessment[13] and is Professor of Risk and Information Management at Queen Mary University of London (QMUL). Osman holds a PhD in Experimental Psychology and is currently a Reader in Experimental Psychology at QMUL. Dube holds a PhD in Computer Science and has researched and published extensively in health informatics and the privacy and ethical issues of using patient data. Chiketero is a Registered Nurse with more than a decade of experience. Choi holds Honours and Master’s degrees in Health Science (Health Informatics). Critically, we also had two registered doctors and a practicing midwife working with us on our analysis of the VAERS data. However, given how the GMC and NMC have publicly attacked any member who doesn’t absolutely adhere to the government and NHS narrative on COVID-19 issues, we felt it better to withdraw their names from the final preprint release to protect them and their current patients.

In the next paragraph of his article (Fig. 5) Fuller claims that I have been taken off Twitter. This is, to say the least, grossly misleading; my account was unavailable for several days after someone with an IP address in the UK tried to hack into it which led Twitter to rightly lock the account. Shortly before the hacking attempt a complaint was apparently made by a journalist concerning posts on my account, yet no offending post was ever identified. It took several days to get Twitter staff to return the correct phone number onto the account and reset the password so that I could access it again. Given that these events all coincided with release of Fuller’s article, it may be possible that this was coordinated rather than coincidence. Either way, the claim I was taken off Twitter was exaggerated for effect, but remains completely false.

etc etc

[stickdog99]

Ummm, does anybody have any theories about the metal "particulates" the Japanese found in the Moderna vaccine?

[Harvey]

Why did Japan choose to 'notice'? Why now?

I don't endorse a theory but surely such things don't happen by accident. They have to be introduced. What are the chances that a uniform sized metal particulate is accidentally present in masses of injections? Does anybody know how likely an accident like that would be? What would be an arguable signature of any deliberate introduction of foreign matter, very much like this, into 'vaccinations'?

Theory wise (talking out of my arse in no particular order): What might induce a field in these metal particles as they are suspended in brain fluids or in blood vessels?

And if we're talking microwaves, if powerful enough, couldn't someone cook people at a microscopic level, perhaps bursting blood vessels, like little bombs? Perhaps such a thing could even be targeted at specific cell phone locations? Just thinking out loud. https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ate_Metals