Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[DrEvil]

Could just be contaminants from shoddy practices at the manufacturer. Wouldn't exactly be the first time.

I get the impression that's not the kind of theory you're after, but you should at least try to rule it out before moving on to the fun ones.

[Moddey Screbbagh]

first time back here after many years. stopped coming after Jeff was less active but recently found him on twitter and that led me back ....

so are most RIers antivaxers? Serious (probably naive I guess) question.

[Elvis]

Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?

No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.

[Harvey]

so are most RIers antivaxers?

To answer your question, no, the majority of RIers do not appear to be expressing curiosity in the face of conflicting claims.

[Harvey]

Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?

No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.

I want the level of totalitarian control the Nazi's enjoyed so I simply copied their playbook, with a different maguffin, understanding full well that no rational being who hasn't been raped or bombed by me yet could possibly understand my level of commitment or that I am using largely the same technical mastery of the psyche Nazi's employed, directly upon them. My technique of conditioning appears like 'mitigation measures' to them. The lie is so big they can't believe me. Any comparison will immediately appear absurd, just as with 9/11 but far greater in magnitude. As with any great artist or magician, the technique is unconscious and invisible, the audience perceives only the message. Fear.

[Elvis]

If I was a private equity billionaire who made money by extracting rents and fees, I would want to prolong the pandemic until prices bottomed out so I could own the housing market. I would quietly encourage my own low and middle-income targets to question and resist countermeasures. I would be gleeful when families are evicted from distressed properties.

“Those Sharks Are Buying Every Single Piece Of Property”

https://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/thos ... ery-single

I would also buy up more medical facilities, physician networks and nursing homes.


I think we made this lumpy bed when it was 'agreed' that the only worthwhile investments are those made by private "free markets."

[Harvey]

Could just be contaminants from shoddy practices at the manufacturer. Wouldn't exactly be the first time.

I get the impression that's not the kind of theory you're after, but you should at least try to rule it out before moving on to the fun ones.

What are the chances that a uniform sized metal particulate is accidentally present in masses of injections? Does anybody know how likely an accident like that would be? What would be an arguable signature of any deliberate introduction of foreign matter, very much like this, into 'vaccinations'?

Consider the combined mass of that metal. How does it arise? Barrels and barrels of the stuff arise out of thin air? Are we doing any rigorous math or, as I am, are we plucking intuition out of our arse?

[Harvey]

I challenge our resident scientists to calculate the combined volume of the metal admitted to.

[Harvey]

I'm just asking obvious questions:

Are the metal particulates uniform in size?

What is their composition?

What is their total volume?

How was that volume introduced into the vaccines? When and where?

Is the particulate uniformly divided among 'vaccinations' or does it vary in concentration?

Is curiosity a sign of right wing sympathies or anti-vaxism?

[Belligerent Savant]

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Great questions.
Interested in the replies as I dig into them myself.

In the meantime, this excerpt is germane, right now:

When politicians waived the legal liability of the vaccine manufacturers, they also demanded the medical community set aside its ethics, first through a sustained “campaign” of pressure to “take the shot” and now through mandates. If the campaign of pressure defied the bedrock ethical principle of informed consent established in the Nuremberg Code, then the mob’s call for mandates on doctors and patients to defend our idol of technocracy is in defiance of our very essence as human beings.

Martin Luther once noted that “to go against conscience is neither right nor safe.” The great civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr. echoed his words. In his autobiography, he writes:

“On some positions, Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expedience asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ And Vanity comes along and asks the question ‘Is it popular?’ But Conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ … The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of convenience, but where he stands in moments of challenge, moments of great crisis and controversy.”

The worth of individual conscience is the great legacy of the West, and its blessings have spread with the Nuremberg Code, and in political defences of conscience.

But we are on the eve of its eclipse.

We are rejecting the lesson of history. Individuals ignore their conscience at the peril of their own souls, and when technocratic science is given the lead over the conscience of the nation, so much greater is the ruin. This can however be avoided.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/do-nation ... 68290.html

[DrEvil]

I'm just asking obvious questions:

Are the metal particulates uniform in size?

Don't know

What is their composition?

Don't know

What is their total volume?

Don't know

How was that volume introduced into the vaccines? When and where?

At Rovi's assembly line outside Madrid. Lot numbers 3004667, 3004734 and 3004956.

Random guess: misaligned assembly line machinery slowly shaved off pieces of metal and some of it got in the vials.

Is the particulate uniformly divided among 'vaccinations' or does it vary in concentration?

Probably not uniform, as they were only found in 39 vials.

Paranoid guess: "They" are really fucking incompetent.

Is curiosity a sign of right wing sympathies or anti-vaxism?

Is contaminating vaccines with something visible to the naked eye a good way to do whatever "they" supposedly were doing here?

There's a difference between being curious and immediately jumping to the most paranoid conclusion.

[Belligerent Savant]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt ... um=partner

Two die in Japan after shots from suspended Moderna vaccines - Japan govt


The men in their 30s died this month within days of receiving their second Moderna doses, the ministry said in a release. Each had a shot from one of three manufacturing lots suspended on Thursday. The causes of death are being investigated.

[drstrangelove]

It must be noted that Pfizer have been using the media to amplify the unknown risks of their competitors vaccines and to minimise their own. This can be observed in the discontinuation of AZ and Johnson and Johnson non mRNA shots in many parts of the world due to blood clotting risks, but not Pfizer due to heart inflammation risks.

Reuters is Pfizer's primary propaganda rag at the moment, the media company shares board directors with Pfizer, and Reuters are picking up this Moderna story very eagerly.

This isn't meant to invalidate any concerns, it's just pertinent to coverage and potential bias.

I think at this point it most likely a manufacturing issue. There were concerns registered by all the approval agencies about this happening. As the vaccine formulas used in the trials are different than in the general public due to scaling issues for mass production. So this very thing has been flagged as a potential issue, which people can read about in the ema, FDA, emergency use approval documentation.

That said. There is literally magnetic shit in this vaccine batch. So umm yea, you can't blame people for going down rabbit holes.

[drstrangelove]

NAHA – The Okinawa Prefectural Government said Saturday that it has found foreign matter in an unused vial of Moderna Inc.’s COVID-19 vaccine not belonging to batches already suspended from use following the discovery of contaminants.

The health ministry said Thursday that foreign substances have been confirmed in 39 unused vials at eight vaccination sites in five prefectures — Ibaraki, Saitama, Tokyo, Gifu and Aichi

. . .

Taro Kono, the Japanese minister in charge of the vaccination effort, said Friday that over 500,000 shots have already been administered from the potentially contaminated batches.

The foreign substances had been confirmed since Aug. 16, but Japanese drugmaker Takeda Pharmaceutical Co., which is in charge of the sale and distribution of the Moderna vaccine in Japan, only reported the problem to the ministry on Wednesday.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/ ... s-okinawa/

[stickdog99]

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first time back here after many years. stopped coming after Jeff was less active but recently found him on twitter and that led me back ....

so are most RIers antivaxers? Serious (probably naive I guess) question.