RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[MacCruiskeen]

Have you heard? It's in the stars: next July we collide with Mars.

(Can someone please spike the champagne? Nobody's dancing.)

[barracuda]

If your gonna showcase Frank and Bing, you might as well throw Dean-o in there too.

[Hammer of Los]

I honestly think the vast majority of sincere forum goers will easily get some idea of what is going on. They are clever folk with independent minds. Look at who is making the accusations and kicking up all the fuss. This aint rocket science people.

Looks like I was wrong. Just another day at the office, huh guys?

Back to drinking the bathwater for me.

Oh, and C2W. You scare the hell out of me, you know that?

Right. Lock away. Hammer over and out.

Cya in the Cass Sunstein thread.

[kenoma]

Sorry, before we turn into pumpkins, can someone make sense of this for me:

As far as your screen name here goes, there is no need to make a new account. If you would like to use a different nick, in this case its perfectly acceptable for us to change it for you, so if you would like to do that, please let Jeff or myself know via PM.

And let there be clarity about this: sunny and barracuda are the moderators and I am the admin. No one else here now holds moderator or admin privileges. If that changes, it will be announced.

Only a designated mod could change a screen name, right? So why does EiAe claim he could do this for me? Clear this up please, somebody.

And I'm a little disturbed by the unchallenged accusations against 8bit... I generally don't like the guy's posts here, I've made that clear quite recently, but I don't like them because I don't like his politics. I see no evidence though that his posts are motivated by any kind of malevont gameplaying. Yet that accusation has been made here, and no-one as far as I'm aware has been asked to provide any evidence for this. So what's the case against 8bit?*

*On edit: after searching, I see it was c2w who made an insinuation against 8bit. So I'll leave it to her to explain why she thinks he was part of this arg thing.

[Telexx]

yeah yeah I said I was goin' but since ths is gonna be locked I have a couple of things to say.
1. Just b/c CC says s/he doesn't think LP2 deliberately set out to harm people doesn't make CC's post OK. The implications in those posts about LP2 are insidious and defamatory.
2. I found it quite curious that c2w went ballistic on another thread when someone mentioned the word ARG.
3. Why do all the men here fall over themselves to praise the incomprehensible c2w? I just don't get it.

OK, fuck you all, to quote the incomparable c2w

I may return when the drama dies down and everyone returns to normal. Or maybe Yellowstone will kill us all tonight.

Col. Quisp, signing off.
Now go enjoy your fucking circle jerk

Yeh, but you've always been obvious, really...

[Wombaticus Rex]

There is no case against 8bit, I'm not sure how that got into the mix, either, but it's baseless. And kinda mean-spirited.

[elfismiles]

I'd just like to finally thank C2W for broaching the subject in the first place. While I don't appreciate being suspected of being in cahoots with any of the folks who are assumed to be part of a campaign to destroy this community or Jeff or both, I understand the guilt by association of having maintained (on again / off again) communication with someone excommunicated from here and who has been in cahoots with someone posting threats. If someone feels threatened or believes they are being targeted or harassed then it is very important that they speak out and speak with management.

I think a lot of folks have spoken up over time about various aspects of all of this and I'd hoped management might have spoken up sooner, like in 2007/2008. If one goes back over the threads that led to DE's banning there was talk of a desire for warnings about potential cyber-stalkers, and this theme has recurred over and over again. I think it was around then when Jeff put up the the Content Advisory. I had hoped to write up some sort of accounting of what happened here and with DE as far as I could but that never happened. That's why I was so enthused to see Cosmic Cowbell's account of some of that. Knowing what had gone on with all of that and Masonic Plot and Eve and subsequent possible / probable / known sock-puppeting I'd been hoping Jeff and/or the mods might've been more upfront or open about that and warned more about it. So in that regard I think this thread, which certainly has its negative aspects for some as has been expressed, has ultimately been hopefully helpful.

Of course I am now feeling a little sheepish and worry that folks are gonna look at me differently here - having been "implicated" in at least some part of all that caused this. I've always been very public about who I am. I have a long verifiable life and if I had a history of messing with people or doing the kinds of things that have hurt this community there would be a trail of evidence to that effect. I led a support group for people who'd had Alien Abduction type encounters and other anomalous personal experiences for many years. Though not an abductee or mk survivor myself, I had been asked to lead that group by its founder (who was an abductee / possible mk survivor) when she had to move away. I've always sought to provide a receptive and safe environment for people who've had anomalous experiences to express and explore those experiences without fear of ridicule and without fear of being pushed into any particular belief system. That is the kind of place I've seen RI as since I first found it years ago. Despite the waves of witnessed shenanigans, despite the paranoia induced in me and others by our collective exposes of parapolitical realities nor by the apparent behind the scenes (in PMs and off-board) cyberstalking and mind-fuckery, and the ultra angry outbursts of a certain sometime moderator, I've believed that Jeff has had the best of intentions. I've entertained conspiracy theories about this community like those espoused by DE, I've wondered about Jeff and others around here. But I've not seen anything at all that convinces me that this place is anything sinister. In fact it is in one of the best nexus points for interested investigators and activists and experiencers anywhere online. So long as folks are warned and educated about the potential misuse or abuse within this and other online communities as exemplified by the reports you've read here. I wouldn't be constantly linking to and recommending this forum community and Jeff's writings if I didn't believe it was a good and important place for folks to learn about the important subjects discussed here.

Peace.

[Telexx]

Seriously those who actually can, just sort out the nonsense, just now? end?

[Jeff]

Only a designated mod could change a screen name, right? So why does EiAe claim he could do this for me? Clear this up please, somebody.

Because Et held mod status at the time. Like I said a couple of pages back, sunny and barracuda are the moderators and I am the admin. No one else here now holds moderator or admin privileges. If that changes, it will be announced.

[Cordelia]

[quote="Col. Quisp"]Just b/c CC says s/he doesn't think LP2 deliberately set out to harm people doesn't make CC's post OK. The implications in those posts about LP2 are insidious and defamatory.[/quote

And why the F did CC post her real name??

[kenoma]

Only a designated mod could change a screen name, right? So why does EiAe claim he could do this for me? Clear this up please, somebody.

Because Et held mod status at the time.

That time being yesterday?
it's not that I object to Et being a mod, it's just that I think it's important we all know who is a mod at any one time.

[Telexx]

Only a designated mod could change a screen name, right? So why does EiAe claim he could do this for me? Clear this up please, somebody.

Because Et held mod status at the time.

That time being yesterday?
it's not that I object to Et being a mod, it's just that I think it's important we all know who is a mod at any one time.

seriously is this not being put right":???

(apologias if this becomes a hijacked thread)
thanks.

[smiths]

it's just that I think it's important we all know who is a mod at any one time

you're just needling now, to what end?

[chiggerbit]

Maybe I should put this in the apology thread in the lounge. but this is probably as good a place as that. I had a cousin, who, when we were kids, would do mean things to me and then when she got found out by me, would apologize. After several of these, I developed an allergy to people who do are always saying sorry for impulsive acts that don't turn out well for them, thinking that they can apologize each time, again and again, and make it right. So, to the people to whom I'm going to apologize, make the best of it, because it's unlikely to happen again, got it?

First off to DE, who is probably following this board, I am sorry for the Watership Down quote which set off your paranoia-meter. I have trouble talking my way out of a paper sack, unlike some around here, and it was the best I could do to warn you that you were bullheadedly sticking your head into an obviously bad place. Sorry for my clumsiness.

Jeff, I've just been going down memory lane on that old thread that Elfie linked to, and I am profoundly sorry that I kept whining about missing DE. I still feel twinges of regret when I read old posts of his here and remember what a valuable member he used to be. But it's now history, and I'm done, past done.

et, I am so sorry for your loss and for your being fucked with about it. This isn't the apology, just a statement from one survivor to another for the loss of a loved one. Here's the apology i owe you: I entertained doubt about you when you didn't seem to react at all about Eve attaching her name to your handle. That reaction seemed so uncharacteristic of you. I was very glad to see you say recently that you'd like to bust her chops or however you put it. I'm so sorry for my doubts.

Elfie, I'm sorry I didn't speak up sooner than this. I've never myself considered that you were a part of the shitstorm. When you said that you were not the confrontational sort, I thought to myself, of course not, you're the most incredibly polite individual I've ever met on the internet. You must have been raised by one of those very proper Southern mamas, because your manners are old fashioned, impeccable, and sweet.

8bit, not knowing the "evidence" against you, I have no clue whether or not I should have spoken up sooner, but I have to say that your name would have been on the bottom of my list of suspects, right down there with Hugh.

lbo, I'm sorry about our go-around about Napolis. I'm still not admitting that I was wrong, mind you, just that I could have done it in a nicer way.

Ok, I'm sure there should be more, but this is getting too long.

et and CC, it is time to dump DE off the victim-stretcher. Sure, it looks like there were at least two, likely three groups fucking with DE, and yes, CC, I've wondered more than once if OSR and 11:11 were one of the groups. But usually, when a person steps in a pile of shit, they scrape it off, being careful not to step in it again, and move on. DE stepped in it and then chose to do a high-dive into the manure lagoon and swim around. Christ, he not only chose to blame Jeff for his own poor choices, but was giddily trying to solve some game to do with red telephone booths or something that would win him a pot of cash, if I remember right. If you want to know the truth, I even wondered for a couple of days if DE were not only that steg person at the unforum board, but also KK, etc.-- in other words DE with the steg sock puppet on the one hand, KK on the other hand, pretending to investigate himself.

DE, you need to move on. I've wasted a helluva lot of hours trying to figure out who did this to you, and the hours wasted are my own fault for my failure to accept that this didn't have to happen to you. You could have stopped it any time. Whether you move on or not, RI needs to finish with you and move on without you.

RI, how many more threads have to be devoted to this sick dynamic? Please let this be the last thread about DE. Let's move on.

[Jeff]

Only a designated mod could change a screen name, right? So why does EiAe claim he could do this for me? Clear this up please, somebody.

Because Et held mod status at the time.

That time being yesterday?
it's not that I object to Et being a mod, it's just that I think it's important we all know who is a mod at any one time.

I'm sorry for the ambiguity of my response.

I didn't mean to say that Et was a moderator. But to facilitate the board upgrade he temporarily held privileges common to mods. Sunny and Barracuda are the moderators, and no one else but me now shares those privileges.