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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:54 pm

Nice article about Nomar the shooter's first wife and domestic violence.

She is an attractive young woman.

I still get the feeling that Omar Mateen was an angry suicide that wanted maximum attention and maximum harm to others in his self-destruction.

Perhaps the contradictory support of Hezbollah and ISIS was striking out at his father and Islamic religious upbringing?

Perhaps the target of a LGBT club was striking out at his self-loathing over his own troubled sexual identity?

Perhaps he hated the women in his life?

Perhaps Omar was frustrated at being a failed cop yet was skillful with weapons because of his security training so he had a grand idea?

Omar the shooter was loaded with issues and rejection and anger and hate.

Omar knew that his death would be on the world stage with any sort of "success".

Omar the shooter set a record of largest USA mass murder by gun.

Was Orlando terror or hate or a really ugly suicide that fed political and media consumers?

I tend to think Omar Mateen was a very angry and clever suicide who maxed out his anger.

This opinion would change should others be involved in Orlando, whether FBI "informants" or ISIS connections or ??

This opinion would really change should there be a real connection confirmed between Howell in California and Mateen.

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-com ... ns-at-home

Terror Begins at Home

By Margaret Talbot , 12:00 A.M.

Soon after Sunday’s massacre in Orlando, Omar Mateen’s first wife, Sitora Yusufiy, told reporters that when she was briefly married to him, seven years ago, he made a practice of abusing her. “He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that,” Yusufiy said. The couple had met online, and she had moved to Florida to marry him, but the beatings began almost immediately, and he was soon preventing her from speaking to her family, “keeping me hostage from them,” she said. In the end, her family had to rescue her, physically pulling her out of his arms, she said.

In the toxic brew of background details about Mateen, this might not seem like the most salient. Surely more relevant was the fact that he felt some sort of identification with terrorists and with ISIS. It mattered a great deal that he had targeted a gay night club and, in ways still to be illuminated, that it was one he himself had reportedly visited. It mattered that his father claimed that Mateen had been enraged by the sight of two men kissing but that, as it emerged this week, he had apparently made use of an online dating app for gay men. And, of course, because this is the United States, where a third of all the mass shootings in the world take place, it mattered, perhaps most of all, that he could easily obtain a weapon for which no civilian has any justifiable need, one designed to kill and maim the most people in the shortest period of time.

In fact, though, there is a connection between domestic violence and mass shootings, and in acknowledging that connection there is some hope for helping to prevent both. A recent analysis of mass shootings, conducted by the research-and-advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, found the link to domestic violence “noteworthy.” Using the F.B.I.’s definition of mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are murdered by guns, the Everytown researchers were able to document a hundred and thirty-three such shootings between January, 2009, and July, 2015. They found that “in at least 76 of the cases (57%), the shooter killed a current or former spouse or intimate partner or other family member, and in at least 21 incidents the shooter had a prior domestic violence charge.”

The lethal intersection of firearms and intimate-partner violence is actually one of the few gun-safety matters that Congress has acted on. In 1996, it adopted the Lautenberg Amendment, which bans people who have been convicted of domestic-violence misdemeanors, or who are subject to restraining orders, from owning firearms. This was sound and compassionate legislation. Guns are the most common method, by far, for killing intimate partners. Not surprisingly, the presence of a firearm in the home makes it much more likely that a woman in an abusive relationship will end up dead. And there is evidence that restrictions of the kind the Lautenberg Amendment and some state legislatures have enacted truly help. According to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, “laws restricting firearm access for batterers subject to restraining orders are associated with a 19% reduction in rates of intimate homicide.”

Unfortunately, the federal law and similar state laws are spottily enforced. These regulations are only effective if states put in place a screening process for potential gun buyers, to see if they have restraining orders against them—and many states have not. In those cases, there is nothing to stop domestic abusers from buying, say, semiautomatic assault rifles, other than their willingness to self-report. The same applies to turning in guns they already own. Some states have laws that allow police to seize firearms when responding to domestic-violence incidents, but most do not. This term, the Supreme Court heard a challenge to Maine’s version of this law from two men who said that their constitutional rights were violated when they had to give up guns for misdemeanor domestic-violence convictions. (One of the men was discovered still to be in possession of a firearm when a stranger reported him for shooting a bald eagle—a federal crime.) The case got some attention, in February, mainly because it spurred Justice Clarence Thomas to ask a question from the bench for the first time in ten years. But when the Court issues its opinion in the case (it is expected this month) it will have real implications for people at risk from intimate partners, and for gun safety more generally. Meanwhile, municipal nuisance ordinances across the country allow landlords to evict tenants who have frequently called 911—a punishment that falls particularly hard on victims of domestic violence.

It’s time to recognize domestic violence and misogynistic anger for the warning signs they often are. Seung-Hui Cho, the perpetrator of the killings at Virginia Tech—until Orlando the deadliest shooting by a single gunman in U.S. history—had previously been charged with stalking female students. One of the two Boston Marathon bombers, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, had been arrested, at his apartment, for domestic assault and battery of a woman. Terror, it seems, sometimes begins at home.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:22 pm

Lots of video at the link below.

People are talking about how the current wife should be indicted as a conspirator but I tend to think his wife is another victim and a target of his anger.

One of the videos says that Mateen mentioned his wife's terror in being wrapped into the investigation that can be interpreted as hostility.

From below, "Despite mounting pledges of allegiance to ISIS, some say they believe Mateen was actually fueled by struggles with his sexuality -- and may have latched on to ISIS as a vehicle for his anger."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orland ... index.html

Orlando shooter texted wife during attack, source says

By Holly Yan, Pamela Brown and Evan Perez, CNN

Updated 5:48 PM ET, Thu June 16, 2016

(CNN) — The Orlando shooter and his wife exchanged text messages during the Pulse nightclub rampage, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told CNN.

Around 4 a.m. on June 12, about two hours after he started the attack and while holed up in a bathroom, Omar Mateen texted his wife, Noor Salman, asking if she'd seen the news, the official said.

At one point, she responded with a text saying that she loved him. Salman also tried calling her husband several times during the standoff, a second law enforcement official said.

The timing of her calls came after reports of the attack had emerged, and apparently after she realized her husband might be responsible. He didn't answer, the official said.

Investigators look into Omar Mateen's past

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Salman is coming under increasing scrutiny as police investigate the killing of 49 people and wounding of at least 50 at the gay nightclub in Orlando. Authorities say Mateen carried out the killing with a Sig Sauer MCX semi-automatic assault-style rifle and a pistol.

Salman apparently gave conflicting accounts about what she knew of Mateen's intentions in the hours before the attack. authorities said. She also told investigators that in the weeks before the attack, Mateen spent thousands of dollars, including for the guns used in the attack.

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Mateen and Salman married in 2011. They have a 3-year-old son and lived in Fort Pierce, about two hours from the massacre.

A U.S. attorney plans to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether charges will be filed, two law enforcement officials said.

Facebook postings

Mateen also vented on Facebook before and during the massacre.

"America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state," the gunman wrote, according to the chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

"You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes ... now taste the Islamic state vengeance."

Then, in his final post, an ominous warning: ''In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic state in the usa."

New video of Orlando shooter emerges

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The messages were described in a letter from committee Chairman Ron Johnson to Mark Zuckerberg, asking the Facebook CEO to provide "all Facebook data on Mr. Mateen's activities on his account and any affiliated Facebook accounts."

It's not the only time Mateen invoked ISIS during his rampage early Sunday. In the middle of killing 49 people, Mateen also called 911 to pledge allegiance to the terror group and CNN affiliate News 13 to say, "I did it for ISIS. I did it for the Islamic State."

And an analysis of Mateen's electronic devices showed searches for jihadist propaganda, including videos of ISIS beheadings, an official said.

ISIS, or personal conflict?

Witness: We thought gunshots were part of the music;

Related Video: Witness: We thought gunshots were 'part of the music' 05:24

Despite mounting pledges of allegiance to ISIS, some say they believe Mateen was actually fueled by struggles with his sexuality -- and may have latched on to ISIS as a vehicle for his anger.

Several regulars at the gay nightclub said the gunman visited frequently over the past few years. Cord Cedeno said Mateen saw him at Pulse and messaged him on Grindr, a gay dating app.

Cedeno said he wasn't interested in Mateen, but his friend was.

Steve King: Gays were targeted in Orlando, and it does matter

Related Video: Steve King: 'Gays were targeted in Orlando, and it does matter' 06:48

"One of my friends ... has been speaking with him since 2007, on and off," on another gay dating app, Cedeno said.

"(Mateen) sent him a picture of his private part, and my friend actually was attracted to him. He almost went and hooked up with him."

FBI agents are interviewing people who claim they met the gunman on gay dating apps, a law enforcement official said. Those claims "certainly change the perspective," the source said.

Was the Orlando shooter gay?

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CNN military analyst Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling said the gunman's complex background makes the investigation challenging.

"I'm not a psychiatrist, but the struggle with his humanity, his sexuality, combined with the potential for putting the onus on an organization that's asking people to do this -- asking extremists to do these kinds of things -- is an interesting dynamic," he said.

"And that's the thing that makes this case so extremely difficult."

Ex-wife: I questioned his sexuality

Related Video: Ex-wife: I questioned his sexuality 02:01

The gunman's ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, said she was not sure about his sexuality.

"It doesn't surprise me that he might be gay," she said. "And it doesn't surprise me that he was leading two totally different lives and was in such deep conflict within himself."

But the gunman's father, Seddique Mateen, has said he didn't think his son was gay. He emphasized that Mateen had a wife and child.

Orlando tries to recover

Victim's mother talks about the last time she spoke to her daughter

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As the families of 49 victims prepare to bury the dead, the city -- and nation -- has united to support them.

The One Orlando fund has raised more than $3.6 million, Mayor Buddy Dyer said Wednesday.

Orlando GoFundMe breaks record

Related Video: Orlando GoFundMe breaks record 01:49

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden arrived in Orlando on Thursday to meet with victims' families.

And thousands of people spanning an array of backgrounds gathered to remember the victims. Raquel Plaza Brown attended a vigil with a friend, whose son is part of the Orlando LGBT community.

"Coming together as a community is really the only way we're going to heal," she said.

She said the massacre devastated the city, "but it's not going to end us. We're going to come out better on the other side."

Why the U.S. has the most mass shootings

CNN's Ralph Ellis, Keith Allen, Brian Todd, Jim Sciutto, MaryLynn Ryan, Eliott C. McLaughlin and Joshua Gaynor contributed to this report.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby FourthBase » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:49 pm

Even if there were some essential anti-suicidal American characteristic, Mateen and every other radicalized Muslim in the world exist apart from that.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Nordic » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:09 pm

FourthBase » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:49 pm wrote:Even if there were some essential anti-suicidal American characteristic, Mateen and every other radicalized Muslim in the world exist apart from that.


Most non-Muslim mass shooters and killers also are quite suicidal and end up by shooting themselves. The very act of a mass shooting is suicidal. Since the vast majority of these are not Muslims, I really don't see what your point is.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby American Dream » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:25 pm

We don't acknowledge that Pulse is just the latest of more than 1,000 mass shootings (many perpetrated with legally purchased, military grade guns other countries don't allow) since the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012. We skim over how White supremacist terrorism kills more Americans than Islamic fundamentalism. We conveniently forget that our country has perpetuated genocide against its indigenous peoples, enslaved and terrorized African-Americans and has even gone as far as dropping bombs on children. The United States continues to handle the legacy of this violence poorly.


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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:43 pm

American Dream » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:25 pm wrote:
We don't acknowledge that Pulse is just the latest of more than 1,000 mass shootings (many perpetrated with legally purchased, military grade guns other countries don't allow) since the Sandy Hook massacre in 2012. We skim over how White supremacist terrorism kills more Americans than Islamic fundamentalism. We conveniently forget that our country has perpetuated genocide against its indigenous peoples, enslaved and terrorized African-Americans and has even gone as far as dropping bombs on children. The United States continues to handle the legacy of this violence poorly.


https://www.colorlines.com/articles/it- ... -apple-pie


That link more or less supports the thought that the Orlando murders was more of kind of the American mass shooting and the politicians and media have responded as expected with predictable framing.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Elihu » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:04 pm

spies connected with every massacre. how will there not be a next one? I'm wondering. if somebody could explain it to me. i think these are connected to all of fed-society's other wars. proportionally, this is <1% of the MDM. it is a mistake to emotionally identify with it. or not recognize that they are being exploited for power, control, advantage. our protectors benefit from it. that poisons the well of all their attempted goodness. it is tv goodness. rescuing, protecting, consoling, investigating, etcetcetc.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby SonicG » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:31 pm

FourthBase » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:49 am wrote:Even if there were some essential anti-suicidal American characteristic, Mateen and every other radicalized Muslim in the world exist apart from that.


I can easily understand the radicalization of dirt-poor kids in the highlands of Afghanistan or whatever, but Mateen even moreso than the San Berdoo couple, seems to have been fairly unreligious as far as reports I've seen until the 911 calls, and now FB posts, and even there, as pointed out before, he pledged allegiance to three different organizations that are basically antagonistic to each other. I said this before in reference to the San Berdoo case, if there is this online source of incredibly seductive writings and videos, why haven't more fallen sway? Why aren't there groupucles dedicated to this awe-inspiring body of Islamic thought?
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:38 pm

Ex-wife: I questioned his sexuality


Puff, lots of stuff. Too much to address all of it.

So here we have it.

Sexuality. Was he gay. Straight? Bi?

It's interesting how his sexual orientation is questioned in such a visceral manner.

Shouldn't we just be accepting of whatever he felt at the time?

What if he was closeted and angry? What does that mean?

What if he was bi and his father knew and immediately labeled his actions as those of a terrorist because he was repulsed by his son's orientation? Does that matter? Was Mateen deranged and angrily confused by his culture? If this all comes down to his sexuality it opens a messy can of worms.

This entire string of coincidental events is incredibly bizarre. Or maybe none of it is coincidental and it's all meant to muddy the waters. Would be interesting to see the info from the dating apps to see if he was scouting, looking for hookups or if it's all a red herring.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:45 pm

Most non-Muslim mass shooters and killers also are quite suicidal and end up by shooting themselves. The very act of a mass shooting is suicidal. Since the vast majority of these are not Muslims, I really don't see what your point is.


In America yes.

Many suicidal attacks overseas are with bombs or some sort of explosive.

Yes, it's suicidal to carry out such an act. Add to that psychopathically deranged. Seems he was either completely fucked up in the head or trained to carry out a planned op. Maybe both, but they could be two separate distinguished things.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Heaven Swan » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:47 pm

Forth Base wrote:
If there's a remotely-legitimate source for what those Santa Monica cops are supposed to have said Howell said, then this whole thing will get a lot more interesting. Let's imagine for a moment that it's not bullshit and Howell actually told the cops that stuff. What in the fuck kind of CIA agenda would be advanced by simultaneous gun attacks against gay targets on each coast, one by a radical Muslim and one by a white reactionary? I'm stumped.



So our liberal leaders can flout their championing of an oppressed group targeted by violent haters (gays) while at the same time orchestrating and promoting a campaign of gay eugenics and genocide (transgender trend). The social planners are devious as devils and really outdid themselves on this one and big pharma is laughing all the way to the bank.

Note that they picked an oppressed group that in recent years has been focused on the subversive activity of getting married and buying condos and washing machines.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:52 pm

And all the while we are glued to the latest rumor or bit of info.

Glued toothed media to consume. Continue and strengthen the habit of consuming "news" from sources banking on all this.

Every shocking or horrifying event feeds the habit. Money in the bank. More importantly, it keeps the masses glued to the media. The events may change but the habit is reinforced.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Heaven Swan » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:27 pm

Reference for my above post:

https://4thwavenow.com/2015/11/10/7-year-old-trans-activist-used-in-campaign-by-transgender-europe-a-german-ngo-partially-funded-by-us-state-department/

7-year-old “trans activist” used in campaign by Transgender Europe, a German NGO partially funded by US State Department


US taxpayers, did you know that some of your hard-earned money goes to a foreign NGO which uses a 7-year-old child to promote a trans activist agenda? Transgender Europe (TGEU), which is celebrating its 10th anniversary, states on its website (see bottom of page) that the US State Department is a donor.....read whole story and see video at link.



Why is the US State Department funding an organization-Transgender Europe- that is promoting the trans agenda in Europe? Why is Obama pushing so hard for the end of sex-segregated facilities for women? These are questions that desperately need to be asked. Just as the right-wing used abortion and gay rights to distract people from actual issues, it seems that the liberals are now using their smug defense of gay and transgender rights to distract people from actual issues. Although I would not call the State Department, worldwide purveyors of destabilization and war, liberal.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:01 am

Karmamatterz » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:52 pm wrote:And all the while we are glued to the latest rumor or bit of info.

Glued toothed media to consume. Continue and strengthen the habit of consuming "news" from sources banking on all this.

Every shocking or horrifying event feeds the habit. Money in the bank. More importantly, it keeps the masses glued to the media. The events may change but the habit is reinforced.


Not "glued" to it but monitoring.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:03 am

Why is the US State Department funding an organization-Transgender Europe- that is promoting the trans agenda in Europe? Why is Obama pushing so hard for the end of sex-segregated facilities for women? These are questions that desperately need to be asked. Just as the right-wing used abortion and gay rights to distract people from actual issues, it seems that the liberals are now using their smug defense of gay and transgender rights to distract people from actual issues. Although I would not call the State Department, worldwide purveyors of destabilization and war, liberal.


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