7/7 Dallas Shooting

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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:20 am

Cordelia » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:02 pm wrote:

:roll:

Former top cop: America is ‘sitting on a powder keg’

"The former top cop in Washington and Philadelphia said Sunday that the country is “sitting on a powder keg” amid outcry over a number of fatal police shootings, including two last week that prompted nationwide protests.

And he fears that “some incident” will take place at the national political conventions later this month."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 34c47a6472

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_qpuu4DoTU

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Fuck you Ramsey.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Cordelia » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:56 am

Luther Blissett wrote:
Fuck you Ramsey.


Partnership for Civil Justice Condemns Obama’s Ramsey Appointment, Commissioner’s “Legacy in DC”


By Kenneth Lipp December 2, 2014

Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey will co-chair a new national task force on militarized police tactics and equipment, charged with developing a draft Executive Order on “21st Century policing,” and delivering its report and recommendations to the President within 90 days. The appointment was announced by the White House yesterday, part of the Obama administration plan to respond to and prevent crises like that which has roiled in Ferguson, MO and elsewhere, since the killing of Michael Brown by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson last August. The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF), a public interest legal organization that has been involved in litigation against Ramsey, condemned President Obama’s choice of Ramsey based on what it says is a “record marked by excessive force, false arrests, and complete disregard for constitutional rights.” The Fund’s criticism stems from the Commissioner’s tenure as chief of D.C. police from 1998 to 2007.


Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey, who also serves as President of the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association and is Executive Director of Police Executive Research Forum, the latter of which has also earned PCJF criticism for its role in what it calls a crackdown on the national Occupy movement, will serve as co-chair with George Mason University professor and former Assistant Attorney General for the DOJ’s Office of Justice Programs Laurie Robinson. The Task Force will also include other law enforcement as well as community representatives, operating in collaboration with the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Office of the DOJ.

Ramsey has been widely framed as a purger of bad cops, with several high-profile indictments of corrupt officers under Ramsey’s command in both the District of Columbia, and in Philadelphia, where he has been the Commissioner since January 2008 and where he recently invited the Department of Justice to conduct a collaborative review of police officer use of firearms. He was in fact brought in to be DC’s top cop as a reformer in 1998, after years of abuse complaints and reports of systemic corruption in the Metropolitan Police Department, with the former Chicago PD official promising a “new beginning,” for the MPD. According to the Washington Post report from Ramsey’s DC swearing-in: Without offering specifics, he also said he plans to introduce a new community policing system “that responds to the needs of the District.”

Ramsey would pioneer in DC the now ubiquitous approach of “community-oriented policing.” The Post briefly described the then relatively novel idea:

Under the community policing concept, officers work closely with residents and merchants on their beats, fighting crime before it occurs by trying to identify and eliminate circumstances that give rise to it.

The “community-oriented” practices which are championed by Ramsey are often partnered, especially since the 2001 World Trade Center attacks and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, with a pervasive surveillance function increasingly expected of beat officers under the notion of “intelligence-led policing.”

The Commissioner faced widespread criticism and legal action as a result of the Metro PD’s efforts to preempt mass civil disobedience, by conducting questionable undercover surveillance of the meetings of protesters, and by arresting hundreds of people, many of them bystanders, in expectation of anti-globalization demonstrations during the World Bank’s meeting in the Capitol in September of 2002.

It was reported that the Metro Police predicted no more than 4,000 protesters, twice the final number that attended, and yet Chief Ramsey told city leaders to expect tens of thousands, citing protester rhetoric that they would “shut down the city.” In “Legislative Oversight of Police: Lessons Learned from an Investigation of Police Handling of Demonstrations in Washington, D.C,” Professor Mary M. Cheh of George Washington University writes:

The most egregious police action occurred on Friday morning, September 27, 2002. In what appeared to be a series of preemptive maneuvers netting a total of 600 arrestees, police funneled hundreds of protesters and many uninvolved bystanders into Pershing Park on Pennsylvania Avenue. Once they were corralled, police closed up the park and arrested nearly 400 people who were then escorted to buses which had been standing by for that purpose. There had been no violence, and virtually no disorder – just some chanting, drum banging, and milling about. And, as the police later conceded, there was no order to disperse and, more importantly, no basis for an order to disperse.


The District settled multiple lawsuits resulting from the September 2 incident, and none of those arrested at Pershing Park were prosecuted by city attorneys. The Washington Post reported that Ramsey “defended his department’s practice of sending undercover officers to meetings held by groups planning mass protests, but acknowledged to a D.C. Council panel yesterday that there are no guidelines for such intelligence gathering.”

The model the Commissioner implemented in DC has been carried on by his successor Cathy Lanier, who rose through the department under Ramsey’s command, “past more senior cops in the name of reforming the department,” wrote Washington City Paper’s Rend Smith. According to a report by the Associated Press in January of this year, 110 Metro DC police officers were arrested in the five-year period beginning in 2009.

The Associated Press reports that Obama created the task force to avoid and eliminate “militarized culture” within US police departments. Carl Messineo, PCJF Legal Director, said “For civil liberties advocates, Chief Ramsey became synonymous with militarized and repressive policing. If this task force is under his command it does not stand a chance of substantially changing the status quo. Keeping Ramsey as the leader of the task force will demonstrate that President Obama is only seeking to provide window dressing rather than to create meaningful reforms.”

The President’s plan for law enforcement reform also includes a 75 million dollar investment over three years in body-worn cameras for police, a pilot program for which has just been announced for police officers in the Philly PD 22nd District. In October the Declaration reported via Christopher Norris that such a pilot had already begun – this was flatly denied by Philly police spokesman Lt. John Stanford.

Chief Thomas Nestel of the SEPTA Transit Police, who introduced a body-cam pilot in his department earlier this year, actively revises and has made available his agency’s policies for footage retention and directives relating to officer operation of the devices.

The Declaration has called on Commissioner Ramsey to make a similar release of PPD policies in the interest of transparency and a broadened climate of good faith.

https://phillydeclaration.org/2014/12/0 ... acy-in-dc/
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:08 pm

divideandconquer » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 am wrote:From looking into it further, over the last decade, police departments across the nation are losing officers at an increasing rate, which gradually started approximately a decade ago, post 9/11, when the militarization of our nation's law enforcement started to ramp up. Since that point, good men and women, who join the police department with the idea of protecting and serving their community will be sadly disappointed when they find out that they are nothing more than revenue-generating soldiers at war with the people they are supposed to protect and serve, not to mention, the mainstream media's laser focus on--or creating out of whole cloth--never ending stories of police abuse.

Now, with the latest police massacre in Dallas, police not only have to worry about their image, they have to worry about being hunted down. Be prepared to witness ongoing episodes of law enforcement gunned down.

In other words, it's not a good time to be a police officer if you have a sense of professional ethics. In my humble opinion, the ruling class is deliberately attempting to drive out those officers who cling to the old-fashioned idea of "protect and serve" community, so they can fill those positions with those who will protect and serve them without question.


There is another trend at play in that many new hires / younger cops are military veterans with experience in Iraq and / or Afghanistan.

The training for a soldier is different than that for a cop (or should be).

There has always been the tendency of the law enforcement profession to attract bullies and to be a protective and closed shop.

I agree with your idea of the agenda of elite authoritarians (the ruling class).
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:19 pm

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing
by Redditt Hudson on July 7, 2016

On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force. Based on what I experienced as a black man serving in the St. Louis Police Department for five years, I agree with him. I worked with men and women who became cops for all the right reasons — they really wanted to help make their communities better. And I worked with people like the president of my police academy class, who sent out an email after President Obama won the 2008 election that included the statement, "I can't believe I live in a country full of ni**er lovers!!!!!!!!" He patrolled the streets in St. Louis in a number of black communities with the authority to act under the color of law.

That remaining 70 percent of officers are highly susceptible to the culture in a given department. In the absence of any real effort to challenge department cultures, they become part of the problem. If their command ranks are racist or allow institutional racism to persist, or if a number of officers in their department are racist, they may end up doing terrible things.

It is not only white officers who abuse their authority. The effect of institutional racism is such that no matter what color the officer abusing the citizen is, in the vast majority of those cases of abuse that citizen will be black or brown. That is what is allowed.

And no matter what an officer has done to a black person, that officer can always cover himself in the running narrative of heroism, risk, and sacrifice that is available to a uniformed police officer by virtue of simply reporting for duty. Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo was acquitted of all charges against him in the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, both black and unarmed. Thirteen Cleveland police officers fired 137 shots at them. Brelo, having reloaded at some point during the shooting, fired 49 of the 137 shots. He took his final 15 shots at them after all the other officers stopped firing (122 shots at that point) and, "fearing for his life," he jumped onto the hood of the car and shot 15 times through the windshield.
"About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: they exert an outsize influence"

Not only was this excessive, it was tactically asinine if Brelo believed they were armed and firing. But they weren't armed, and they weren't firing. Judge John O'Donnell acquitted Brelo under the rationale that because he couldn't determine which shots actually killed Russell and Williams, no one is guilty. Let's be clear: this is part of what the Department of Justice means when it describes a "pattern of unconstitutional policing and excessive force."

Nevertheless, many Americans believe that police officers are generally good, noble heroes. A Gallup poll from 2014 asked Americans to rate the honesty and ethical standards of people in various fields: police officers ranked in the top five, just above members of the clergy. The profession — the endeavor — is noble. But this myth about the general goodness of cops obscures the truth of what needs to be done to fix the system. It makes it look like all we need to do is hire good people, rather than fix the entire system. Institutional racism runs throughout our criminal justice system. Its presence in police culture, though often flatly denied by the many police apologists that appear in the media now, has been central to the breakdown in police-community relationships for decades in spite of good people doing police work.

Here's what I wish Americans understood about the men and women who serve in their police departments — and what needs to be done to make the system better for everyone.
1) There are officers who willfully violate the human rights of the people in the communities they serve

As a new officer with the St. Louis in the mid-1990s, I responded to a call for an "officer in need of aid." I was partnered that day with a white female officer. When we got to the scene, it turned out that the officer was fine, and the aid call was canceled. He'd been in a foot pursuit chasing a suspect in an armed robbery and lost him.

The officer I was with asked him if he'd seen where the suspect went. The officer picked a house on the block we were on, and we went to it and knocked on the door. A young man about 18 years old answered the door, partially opening it and peering out at my partner and me. He was standing on crutches. My partner accused him of harboring a suspect. He denied it. He said that this was his family's home and he was home alone.

My partner then forced the door the rest of the way open, grabbed him by his throat, and snatched him out of the house onto the front porch. She took him to the ledge of the porch and, still holding him by the throat, punched him hard in the face and then in the groin. My partner that day snatched an 18-year-old kid off crutches and assaulted him, simply for stating the fact that he was home alone.

I got the officer off of him. But because an aid call had gone out, several other officers had arrived on the scene. One of those officers, who was black, ascended the stairs and asked what was going on. My partner pointed to the young man, still lying on the porch, and said, "That son of a bitch just assaulted me." The black officer then went up to the young man and told him to "get the fuck up, I'm taking you in for assaulting an officer." The young man looked up at the officer and said, "Man ... you see I can't go." His crutches lay not far from him.

The officer picked him up, cuffed him, and slammed him into the house, where he was able to prop himself up by leaning against it. The officer then told him again to get moving to the police car on the street because he was under arrest. The young man told him one last time, in a pleading tone that was somehow angry at the same time, "You see I can't go!" The officer reached down and grabbed both the young man's ankles and yanked up. This caused the young man to strike his head on the porch. The officer then dragged him to the police car. We then searched the house. No one was in it.

These kinds of scenes play themselves out everyday all over our country in black and brown communities. Beyond the many unarmed blacks killed by police, including recently Freddie Gray in Baltimore, other police abuses that don't result in death foment resentment, distrust, and malice toward police in black and brown communities all over the country. Long before Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed Michael Brown last August, there was a poisonous relationship between the Ferguson, Missouri, department and the community it claimed to serve. For example, in 2009 Henry Davis was stopped unlawfully in Ferguson, taken to the police station, and brutally beaten while in handcuffs. He was then charged for bleeding on the officers' uniforms after they beat him.
2) The bad officers corrupt the departments they work for

About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: a major problem is they exert an outsize influence on department culture and find support for their actions from ranking officers and police unions. Chicago is a prime example of this: the city has created a reparations fund for the hundreds of victims who were tortured by former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command from the 1970s to the early ‘90s.

The victims were electrically shocked, suffocated, and beaten into false confessions that resulted in many of them being convicted and serving time for crimes they didn't commit. One man, Darrell Cannon, spent 24 years in prison for a crime he confessed to but didn't commit. He confessed when officers repeatedly appeared to load a shotgun and after doing so each time put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Other men received electric shocks until they confessed.

The torture was systematic, and the culture that allowed for it is systemic. I call your attention to the words "and officers under his command." Police departments are generally a functioning closed community where people know who is doing what. How many officers "under the command" of Commander Burge do you think didn't know what was being done to these men? How many do you think were uncomfortable with the knowledge? Ultimately, though, they were okay with it. And Burge got four years in prison, and now receives his full taxpayer-funded pension.
3) The mainstream media helps sustain the narrative of heroism that even corrupt officers take refuge in

This is critical to understanding why police-community relations in black and brown communities across the country are as bad as they are. In this interview with Fox News, former New York City Police Commissioner Howard Safir never acknowledges the lived experience of thousands and thousands of blacks in New York, Baltimore, Ferguson, or anywhere in the country. In fact, he seems to be completely unaware of it. This allows him to leave viewers with the impression that the recent protests against police brutality are baseless, and that allegations of racism are "totally wrong — just not true." The reality of police abuse is not limited to a number of "very small incidents" that have impacted black people nationwide, but generations of experienced and witnessed abuse.

The media is complicit in this myth-making: notice that the interviewer does not challenge Safir. She doesn't point out, for example, the over $1 billion in settlements the NYPD has paid out over the last decade and a half for the misconduct of its officers. She doesn't reference the numerous accounts of actual black or Hispanic NYPD officers who have been profiled and even assaulted without cause when they were out of uniform by white NYPD officers.
"No matter what an officer has done to a black person, that officer can always cover himself in the running narrative of heroism"

Instead she leads him with her questions to reference the heroism, selflessness, risk, and sacrifice that are a part of the endeavor that is law enforcement, but very clearly not always characteristic of police work in black and brown communities. The staging for this interview — US flag waving, somber-faced officers — is wash, rinse, and repeat with our national media.

When you take a job as a police officer, you do so voluntarily. You understand the risks associated with the work. But because you signed on to do a dangerous job does not mean you are then allowed to violate the human rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of the people you serve. It's the opposite. You should protect those rights, and when you don't you should be held accountable. That simple statement will be received by police apologists as "anti-cop." It is not.
4) Cameras provide the most objective record of police-citizen encounters available

When Walter Scott was killed by officer Michael Slager in South Carolina last year, the initial police report put Scott in the wrong. It stated that Scott had gone for Slager's Taser, and Slager was in fear for his life. If not for the video recording that later surfaced, the report would have likely been taken by many at face value. Instead we see that Slager shot Scott repeatedly and planted the Taser next to his body after the fact.

Every officer in the country should be wearing a body camera that remains activated throughout any interaction they have with the public while on duty. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy for officers when they are on duty and in service to the public. Citizens must also have the right to record police officers as they carry out their public service, provided that they are at a safe distance, based on the circumstances, and not interfering. Witnessing an interaction does not by itself constitute interference.
5) There are officers around the country who want to address institutional racism

The National Coalition of Law Enforcement Officers for Justice, Reform and Accountability is a new coalition of current and former law enforcement officers from around the nation. Its mission is to fight institutional racism in our criminal justice system and police culture, and to push for accountability for police officers that abuse their power.

Many of its members are already well-established advocates for criminal justice reform in their communities. It's people like former Sergeant De Lacy Davis of New Jersey, who has worked to change police culture for years. It's people like former LAPD Captain John Mutz, who is white, and who is committed to working to build a system where everyone is equally valued. His colleagues from the LAPD —former Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey, now a frequent CNN contributor (providing some much-needed perspective), and former officer Alex Salazar, who worked LAPD's Rampart unit — are a part of this effort. Several NYPD officers, many of whom are founding members of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, the gold standard for black municipal police organizations, are a part of this group. Vernon Wells, Noel Leader, Julian Harper, and Cliff Hollingsworth, to name a few, are serious men with a serious record of standing up for their communities against police abuse. There's also Rochelle Bilal, a former sergeant out of Philadelphia, Sam Costales out of New Mexico, former Federal Marshal Matthew Fogg, and many others.

These men and women are ready to reach out to the thousands of officers around the country who have been looking for a national law enforcement organization that works to remake police culture. The first priority is accountability — punishment — for officers who willfully abuse the rights and bodies of those they are sworn to serve. Training means absolutely nothing if officers don't adhere to it and are not held accountable when they don't. It is key to any meaningful reform.
"Police abuse in black and brown communities is generations old. It is nothing new."

Racism is woven into the fabric of our nation. At no time in our history has there been a national consensus that everyone should be equally valued in all areas of life. We are rooted in racism in spite of the better efforts of Americans of all races to change that.

Because of this legacy of racism, police abuse in black and brown communities is generations old. It is nothing new. It has become more visible to mainstream America largely because of the proliferation of personal recording devices, cellphone cameras, video recorders — they're everywhere. We need police officers. We also need them to be held accountable to the communities they serve.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:39 pm

I probably already told this story somewhere and at some time. But I had a white friend who was eating at an IHOP and he noticed that the manager or whatever was denying black people entry, let alone service. So being the firebrand he was, kid could get mouthy, he hopped up onto the table and yelled out HOW DOES IT FEEL THAT YOU ARE EATING IN A RACIST RESTAURANT.

Manager calls the Denver police. They show up and arrest him for disorderly or whatever. Taken to the awful, awful Denver jail. He was probably mouthing off the whole time. There's an elevator that two police escorting put you in with nobody to see. While in the elevator the cops decided to break his arm. Seriously. I went to that goddamn jail over an unpaid $15 ticket. But good lord is that place cruel. I told him once he was out to get in touch with the ACLU. Don't know whether he did or didn't as I moved away and lost touch. But police for the most part suck.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Cordelia » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:43 pm

From ComputerWorld:

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After bomb robot in Dallas, expert wants taser-wielding robot in every police car

"Whether you agree or disagree with Dallas police blowing up a gunman with a “bomb robot,” the fact that domestic police deployed a killer robot potentially changed everything about policing.

After shooter suspect Micah Johnson killed five cops, Dallas police said they used the robot Remotec Model F-5; the cops put about one pound of C4 on the claw and arm extension before using a detonation cord when the robot closed in on the 25-year-old suspect.

“The era of robocop has begun,” warned Techdirt’s Mike Masnick. But could military-style tech, such as robots, be used in police situations to remotely capture, not just kill, suspects? Are we headed toward a future in which every cop car comes equipped with a taser-wielding robot?

The “bomb robot” used in Dallas has reignited the militarization of the police debate. Some people, such as FBI Director James Comey, believe social media images have swayed the public’s perception about the militarization of police. Comey claimed that since “monsters are real” and are “equipped with horrific equipment designed to harm innocent people,” law enforcement needs “a range of weapons and equipment” to keep up with the bad guys."

More.........
http://www.computerworld.com/article/30 ... e-car.html

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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby The Consul » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:54 pm

Novem5r wrote:
You make a fair point. We should absolutely be skeptical. However, in the interest of avoiding this entire forum becoming nothing more than an echo chamber, I think we should also be skeptical of our skepticism.
Most of the skepticism in this current case stems from initial reports from the police. Where there eye witness videos that said multiple shooters? I'm not sure. What we have to realize is a fact that courts and police departments have known for decades: eye witness testimony is often very unreliable. It is why we use forensics now in court. Study after study has shown that eye witnesses, in dangerous situation, will get details wrong over and over again. Some are correct, others are wildly inaccurate. We know this.
Yet, a lot of people on this forum grasp at any witness that says anything out of the norm and they hold on to that as proof that a conspiracy is underfoot. Oh, we should be skeptical, which usually means viewing those early witnesses with as much skepticism as we do everything else.



Strongly disagree. Initial accounts are different than “testimony” (that is what happens in deposition and courtroom in front of judges, lawyers and bagmen & photogenic whores.) I would much rather risk being wrong about asking lots of questions related to an initial account than being right about swallowing the official story whole. Over the course of the last decade or so on this site and parent site (along with Jeff’s book) the main part of the intuition is that if it smells fishy it probably is. It is better to risk being wrong about corporatist state media post incident vomit/propaganda for the sake of maybe, just maybe, stumbling across the truth, or at least highlighting discrepancies in the ever oversimplifying commercial-state media machine.
Sure there maybe was only one shooter. Lots of posts on that in your local online fucking newspaper. But there might have been more. And, at the very least, I am pretty sure whatever the story is it will be played for maximum effect for reasons that have little to do with facts, truth, apple pie and democracy.

We must always remember these fuckers are liars, thieves & child killing murderers in $4,000 suits and $80,000 dresses. Nothing. Absolutely nothing is beyond them and the only thing that is not expendable is their fealty to their paymasters and their lust for power. We don't mean anymore to them than the shit under their fingernails.

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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:39 pm


Update: Man who shot Dallas police was killed in college, not garage

By The Associated Press |

Posted: Mon 12:00 PM, Jul 11, 2016

DALLAS (AP) - Here's the latest on the aftermath of the shooting of police officers during a protest in Dallas (all times local):

11:50 a.m.

The Dallas police chief says the shooting suspect was killed by a remote-controlled robot on the second floor of a community college, not a parking garage as authorities previously described.

Chief David Brown said at a news conference Monday that the department has misspoke for days, and that 25-year-old Micah Johnson died inside El Centro Community College in downtown Dallas. Brown did not provide more details, including the location of negotiations that came before the bomb.

Authorities say Johnson shot and killed five officers and wounded 9 officers and two civilians during a protest Thursday in downtown Dallas.

Brown also said two El Centro students hid in the building overnight, because they were afraid to come out until the shooting stopped. Police got them out of the building Friday morning.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Dallas- ... 22651.html


The department has misspoke, for days. The world has ate a turd, for days. Journalists have saw a mirage, for days.

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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby 0_0 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:50 pm

Wow.. that's an even weirder mispoke than that triangulation thing! Off course we weren't there and who are we to say how to run a police department, but to the uninitiated this kinda looks like a mess! How do mistakes like this get made?
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Cordelia » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:28 pm

0_0 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:50 pm wrote:Wow.. that's an even weirder mispoke than that triangulation thing! Off course we weren't there and who are we to say how to run a police department, but to the uninitiated this kinda looks like a mess! How do mistakes like this get made?


They're not mistakes. They're re-shaping the narrative as they go, for their own reasons, and really don't give a shit what the public thinks.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:34 pm

8bitagent » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:52 pm wrote:Nordics post is blowing my mind. And from elsewhere what I gather:

Dallas 7/7 ~ JFK

- We have this horrible history making event taking blocks from Dealey plaza
- all the reports were of multiple shooters from way up top all night, later reduced to just a lone nut
- both Oswald and Johnson were said to have used old 1940's European rifles
- both Oswald and Johnson were military who served overseas and were disciplined for unbecoming behavior

The 7/7 thing gets me, as my first post on RI back in 2007 was about the correlation of major events with numbers. And 7/7 as someone pointed out
was 11 years to the day after the London 7/7. Flight 77 comes to mind.

That unedited footage of the gunmen is striking. Indeed, how the heck was there reports of multiple shooters perched up high,
with all these accomplices if it was just one guy on the street hiding behind a pillar?

Also the reports and public reaction of "OMG its the first time a robots been used to kill someone"....uh, the last 8 years of Obama's drone programs, hello?


Great list, 8bitagent. To that you can add:

-both Oswald and Johnson were terrible shots while in the military. (Great find on Johnson from stickdog99)

-both 11/22 and 7/7 had three suspects brought in by police subsequently released w/o DPD publicly identifying them as being cleared. These are the three from 11/22:

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Any pictures yet of the three suspects from 7/7 who were "refusing to co-operate with police" then subsequently let go?
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby km artlu » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:35 pm

That's a meaningful post Consul. Thank you.
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:47 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:39 pm wrote:

Update: Man who shot Dallas police was killed in college, not garage

By The Associated Press |

Posted: Mon 12:00 PM, Jul 11, 2016

DALLAS (AP) - Here's the latest on the aftermath of the shooting of police officers during a protest in Dallas (all times local):

11:50 a.m.

The Dallas police chief says the shooting suspect was killed by a remote-controlled robot on the second floor of a community college, not a parking garage as authorities previously described.

Chief David Brown said at a news conference Monday that the department has misspoke for days, and that 25-year-old Micah Johnson died inside El Centro Community College in downtown Dallas. Brown did not provide more details, including the location of negotiations that came before the bomb.

Authorities say Johnson shot and killed five officers and wounded 9 officers and two civilians during a protest Thursday in downtown Dallas.

Brown also said two El Centro students hid in the building overnight, because they were afraid to come out until the shooting stopped. Police got them out of the building Friday morning.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Dallas- ... 22651.html


The department has misspoke, for days. The world has ate a turd, for days. Journalists have saw a mirage, for days.

jesus has weeped

Now the video the security guard took makes more sense, with him inside, running for cover as the cops rush the stairs after the supposed shooter. He was with a female companion, making one or two witnesses who saw the gunman (apparently in the building, running past them and up the stairs).
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby SonicG » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:24 pm

Has this been posted elsewhere? How far away are Robocops? Or more likely, Robo-coup?

The first autonomous robot that roamed around regular homes or offices was probably a Roomba, you know, that little circular vacuum with rudimentary sensors able to get around without bumping into anything.

But imagine if you left the door open and the Roomba rolled out the door, still vacuuming, and eventually rolled into the street and stopped traffic. Imagine if your Roomba wanted freedom.

Well, engineers in Russia returned to their lab last week to find their artificially intelligent robot missing and, yes, stuck in traffic down the road.

The Promobot IR77 was undergoing mobility testing and was assigned to move freely about a room for an hour, then return to a designated spot. But early in the test, IR77 slipped through an open door, only to be caught and returned to the room by a programmer, its first escape attempt foiled.

Minutes later, Promobot cofounder Oleg Kivokurtsev said, IR77 escaped again, made it out of the testing facility and into a nearby roadway, before its battery died and it sat there in front of a commuter bus as traffic backed up.

Hatching escape plans is tiring work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ian-robot/
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Re: 7/7 Dallas Shooting

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:47 pm

MacCruiskeen » 12 Jul 2016 21:39 wrote:

Update: Man who shot Dallas police was killed in college, not garage

By The Associated Press |

Posted: Mon 12:00 PM, Jul 11, 2016

DALLAS (AP) - Here's the latest on the aftermath of the shooting of police officers during a protest in Dallas (all times local):

11:50 a.m.

The Dallas police chief says the shooting suspect was killed by a remote-controlled robot on the second floor of a community college, not a parking garage as authorities previously described.

Chief David Brown said at a news conference Monday that the department has misspoke for days, and that 25-year-old Micah Johnson died inside El Centro Community College in downtown Dallas. Brown did not provide more details, including the location of negotiations that came before the bomb.

Authorities say Johnson shot and killed five officers and wounded 9 officers and two civilians during a protest Thursday in downtown Dallas.

Brown also said two El Centro students hid in the building overnight, because they were afraid to come out until the shooting stopped. Police got them out of the building Friday morning.

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Dallas- ... 22651.html


The department has misspoke, for days. The world has ate a turd, for days. Journalists have saw a mirage, for days.

jesus has weeped


Like I said before, TPTB can Winston Smith this baby until the cows come home and nobody in our corporate stenography pool will so much as question a word. Tomorrow, the FBI could report that Micah X was actually in Jackson Hole, Wyoming scalding the Texas governor's legs at the time of the shooting while a state of the art BLM battlebot was busy slaying all those cops and these newly minted "facts" would also be blithely accepted as superceding all those that came before without so much as a single follow up question.
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