Suppression/Propaganda in Media

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Grizzly » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:10 pm

I've been questioning these things about Hedges, and others for years, good to see someone else also questioning ... I think we shouldn't be afraid to examine our notions about ourselves or anyone.
There was a time when I had a realization while watching Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, and that the shows main value was pushing books. Hedges, at the time, but it clued me into wondering if that wasn't all they did. Turns out, YES. That seems to be all they really did was one big commercial for the publishing's of the day, with adornments flowered all around the main event.

Interview and push a book. A edgier sassier Oprah Book club.

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:11 pm

Grizzly » 07 Apr 2022 10:10 wrote:I've been questioning these things about Hedges, and others for years, good to see someone else also questioning ... I think we shouldn't be afraid to examine our notions about ourselves or anyone.
There was a time when I had a realization while watching Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, and that the shows main value was pushing books. Hedges, at the time, but it clued me into wondering if that wasn't all they did. Turns out, YES. That seems to be all they really did was one big commercial for the publishing's of the day, with adornments flowered all around the main event.

Interview and push a book. A edgier sassier Oprah Book club.

With charitable donations by the Ford Foundation. Among others.


Yeah. I mean who reads anyway?

Books? What good ever came from them!
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Grizzly » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:47 am


CIA agent John #Stockwell from years ago on TV telling Americans how the #CIA uses "news"
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:30 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Thu Apr 07, 2022 10:11 pm wrote:
Grizzly » 07 Apr 2022 10:10 wrote:I've been questioning these things about Hedges, and others for years, good to see someone else also questioning ... I think we shouldn't be afraid to examine our notions about ourselves or anyone.
There was a time when I had a realization while watching Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, and that the shows main value was pushing books. Hedges, at the time, but it clued me into wondering if that wasn't all they did. Turns out, YES. That seems to be all they really did was one big commercial for the publishing's of the day, with adornments flowered all around the main event.

Interview and push a book. A edgier sassier Oprah Book club.

With charitable donations by the Ford Foundation. Among others.


Yeah. I mean who reads anyway?

Books? What good ever came from them!


The concerns arise, however, when Hedges has ended up with "at least twice the salary" he made as a longtime reporter at the New York Times by becoming a purportedly anti-establishment polemicist, and has a long, unapologetic record of passing off other people's work as his own in his leftist writings.
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Harvey » Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:25 pm

and has a long, unapologetic record of passing off other people's work as his own in his leftist writings.


Not even a direct quote, let alone sources. No direct comparisons. It's a good story. But you're methodical Marionumber1. There has to be some basis for this, or you wouldn't post it.
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm

The article makes a case that I found compelling. It has several examples, with side-by-side comparisons, of how Hedges' text is basically a word-for-word transposition of other people's writings, often with minor paraphrases/wording changes to obscure that. And when called on to respond, Hedges shows very little regard for the seriousness of those claims.

See, for instance, the response to not citing Hemingway for the changed version of a passage he had initially written that uncannily resembled a passage in A Farewell to Arms:

In response, Hedges told me that the passage “was noticed and corrected by me after the first edition was published. This was several months before the e-mail from Palaima.” And: “The passage, when it was corrected, was sufficiently different from the Hemingway not to warrant attribution.”


The fact that it had to be "noticed and corrected" is an admission on Hedges' part that he did, even if unintentionally, lift Hemingway's words. Consequently, changing it to be an even more distant paraphrase of Hemingway's statement doesn't change the fact that he does seem to have initially gotten the idea from Hemingway; it isn't a valid excuse for not citing.

There are multiple clear-cut examples of him copying Petra Bartosiewicz's language in a Harpers article. Hedges claimed that it was just sloppy attribution meant to be a block quote rather than his own words. But that is contradicted by how, in one lifted passage, he changed "my local reporter" to "a local reporter who was hired by Bartosiewicz":

Bartosiewicz:

The governor of Ghazni Province, Usman Usmani, told my local reporter that the U.S. team had “demanded to take over custody” of Siddiqui. The governor refused. He could not release Siddiqui, he explained, until officials from the counterterrorism department in Kabul arrived to investigate.


Hedges:

The governor of Ghazni province, Usman Usmani, told a local reporter who was hired by Bartosiewicz that the U.S. team had “demanded to take over custody” of Siddiqui. The governor refused. He could not release Siddiqui, he explained, until officials from the counterterrorism department in Kabul arrived to investigate.



Thus indicating it was not meant as a block quote, but rather as text to include in the main article as if he wrote it. So Hedges also appears to have been lying in order to minimize the severity of what he was doing.

In response to another lifted passage, where Hedges very evidently (as can be seen in a side-by-side comparison) lifted Neil Postman's passage juxtaposing Orwell and Huxley's visions of dystopia, Hedges said:

When I asked Hedges about the similarities between his work and Postman’s, he wrote, “Please see the file that is posted in the archive on the Truthdig web site. It credits Postman for the juxdaposition [sic] of Orwell and Huxley.” He did not respond to questions about the discrepancy with the Common Dreams version of the piece and the original piece as it was published at Truthdig.


Acknowledging that the idea was Postman's, not his...which in turn amounts to a tacit admission that he had plagiarized it from Postman because initial versions of his published article (archived on the Wayback Machine, which the article I shared links to) did not attribute those words to Postman.

Do I think that this invalidates the good work Hedges has done overall? Of course not. I have often consumed and enjoyed his work, both his writings and his voice and video appearances. Nor do I doubt that there was, at some level, an agenda in going after an anti-establishment left-wing figure like Hedges in particular.

But that doesn't make the content of the article false. There is still no excuse for Hedges' pattern of lifting other people's words, appearing to have no regard for how serious it is to do so, and even lying about it. It unnecessarily discredits his work on very important issues. And his practice of doing so only adds to the suspicions I've outlined previously about how honest of a dissident voice Hedges has really been.
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:51 pm

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As I've mentioned here before, his oblique commentary Re: 911 -- as articulated in the Ed Curtin piece quoted in the previous page -- is what initially raised my eyebrows on Hedges, though there are/were many 'journalists' at the time unwilling to make the leap publicly tying US and other govt entities for any number of reasons.

Maybe this makes him a limited hangout, or maybe he's another in a long line of self-preservationists/opportunists. Anyone's guess from the outside.

Like others here, i've enjoyed his content; shared his pieces to others numerous times. I may do so again, as i will with other writers that may or may not be compromised.

We can go down a similar path with Chomsky. His current takes on Covid/mandates, and his historical takes on 911, are counter to what we'd expect given his historical output.

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby RocketMan » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:58 am

This is a pretty small event, but a well-known Swedish leftist was fired as a freelance contributor from a well-known left publication ostensibly due to apparently too neutral comments on social media about RT (the Russian state sponsored media).

The real reason is alleged to be an editorial she wrote highlighting the connections between the newspaper Kiyv Independent and the Azov Battalion.

It's a pretty local story, but for me as a Nordic person chilling. True censorship by the "liberal left" too is not something vague and on the horizon, it is here right now.

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:26 pm

Has anybody seen any corporate media reporting of the insane excesses of China's current Zero COVID-19 lockdown policies taking place in Shanghai right now?

A Warning From Shanghai

A new California bill threatens to strip doctors of their medical licenses for saying things the state doesn’t like. We don't have to imagine what that would look like.

The China Model: Never Go Full Medieval Lockdown

China under COVID is a hell on earth

It's time for all of us to face it: China's latest lockdown is a crime against humanity—and we ignore it at our peril, because what's happening there will surely happen here eventually, if we let it

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But, but the only problem is that we didn't lock down hard enough as the far more socially responsible Chinese did!
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:33 pm

Where did the rest of the internet go?

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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby Harvey » Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:18 pm

^ Is much of the last few years now starting to make sense for the mainstreamed?
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Re: Suppression/Propaganda in Media

Postby DrEvil » Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:15 pm

Burzynski is a pretty dodgy character. He's been doing a shit-ton of clinical trials since the early eighties, paid for by the patients. At some point you would think those trials would come to an end and a final result was available.

He's just using the trials as a regulatory loophole to rope in desperate cancer patients and fleece them.
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