Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Harvey]

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[Belligerent Savant]

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Jason Bailey, MA
@iamjasonbailey

OK. I’m tired of the emotional reasoning, so I went to the CDC’s website and sorted through the data myself. Here are the cold, hard facts as of 9/4/21.
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•TOTAL DEATHS account for 1.6% of total cases.
•78.1% of TOTAL DEATHS are over the age of 65.
•94.7% of TOTAL DEATHS are over the age of 50.
•6% of TOTAL DEATHS are attributed to Covid only.
•94% of TOTAL DEATHS have an average of 2.9 co-morbidities (12/6/20).

You’re scared. I get it. We all were at the beginning. But the data does not justify almost two years of cowering in fear, and it certainly does not justify mandates, especially for our children (188 total deaths ages 1-14).

IT’S TIME TO LOVE LIFE AGAIN.

Pro-vax, anti-vax, pro-mask, anti-mask, do your thing. I don’t care.

But you will NOT intimidate me or force me to drink your fear-infused Kool-Aid.

STOP WITH THE FEAR.

JUST STOP IT.

IT IS ABSURD AND COMPLETELY NONSENSICAL.

For those asking for stats on younger populations. Straight from the CDC:

DEATHS as of 9/4/21

0-17 years: 412 (.001% of total cases)
18-29 years: 3,043 (.0076% of total cases)
30-39 years: 8,634 (.022% of total cases)
40-49 years: 22,232 (.056% of total cases)

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-C ... /9bhg-hcku

https://t.co/uoxse9KyXW?amp=1

https://twitter.com/iamjasonbailey/stat ... 80899?s=20

[Belligerent Savant]

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Pandemics ~ Data & Analytics (PANDA)

UK: Why is the rate of Covid cases higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated?

Public Health England’s latest vaccine surveillance report has some interesting findings buried in it.

For the age group 40-79 (nearly half the population) the Covid case rate is HIGHER among the vaccinated than the non-vaccinated.

We know from recent studies that the viral load among the vaccinated and unvaccinated is similar. This latest data suggests that while the vaccines are reducing the probability of severe illness – important in the elderly - they are doing nothing to prevent transmission in the 40-79 age group. The opposite in fact.

PHE’s own commentary states: “In individuals aged 40 to 79, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated. This is likely to be due to a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as well as differences in testing patterns.”

Perhaps, but not exactly a convincing explanation.

At the very least, it makes yet another mockery of vaccine passports.

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[stickdog99]

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[stickdog99]

COVID-19 case rates for UK are higher for the fully vaccinated for every demographic from age 40 to age 80!

[mentalgongfu2]

Covid cases in this unsourced table are higher for every demographic from under 18-39 in the unvaccinated group!
And are more than double in the under 18-29 demographic and close to that in the 30-39 demographic!

I guess you didn't feel that worth mentioning.
The real question is, what does this data tell us taken as a whole.
Would be interesting to know what # of these cases in each demo require medical intervention.

Edit: As well as knowing the percentage of relative population that is vaccinated within each demo. I would hope people at RI understand a few of the basics of statistics by now, but just in case, the percentage of the population that falls into either vaccinated or unvaccinated demo affects the overall numbers. To make an easy example, if 100 percent of the population is vaccinated, then 100 percent of the cases will be among the vaccinated.

[drstrangelove]

COVID-19 case rates for UK are higher for the fully vaccinated for every demographic from age 40 to age 80!

Yes, but it also reports that deaths and hospitalisations are much lower per 100,000 for the vaccinated.

So the report itself is evidence to support vaccine uptake. Not that I trust it. Data turns reality into clay for those with institutional autism to play with.

[stickdog99]

COVID-19 case rates for UK are higher for the fully vaccinated for every demographic from age 40 to age 80!

Yes, but it also reports that deaths and hospitalisations are much lower per 100,000 for the vaccinated.

So the report itself is evidence to support vaccine uptake. Not that I trust it. Data turns reality into clay for those with institutional autism to play with.

The report totally undercuts the only supposed rationale for the mandates, which is reducing the rate of COVID-19 transmission. Assuming the the data is correct. the unvaccinated truly need to be protected form the vaccinated. And the tiny supposed benefits in hospitalization and death rates at least in real numbers could easily already be outweighed by vaccine induced adverse events.

And this is the money chart and it's extremely important.

[8bitagent]

Who would have imagined that all of the paranoid "big brother" scholarly screeds and feverish rants about bio-metric totalitarianism writers worried would happen in the wake of 9/11 wouldn't manifest til two decades later with this Covid situation. I don't even think the most brainwashed Rachel Maddow MSNBC viewer would accept the shit happening in Australia. What's happening in Australia feels like it's a made up article by a far right conspiracy website, but is far too real. Every week that goes by, the evidence continues to build toward Covid not being some innocent random "zoonetic" jump from animal to species, but a gain of function souped up horror show cooked up in a lab and (hopefully, sloppily "accidentally") leaked out with a major coverup. Just strange that virtually noone is talking about the lab leak and instead are fighting over mask mandates, vaccine requirements, etc. Its 9/11 all over again, with noone asking about the true origins.

Unlike 9/11, Covid-19 has fundamentally changed every basic fundamental of life on the planet. I got the Pfizer 2 dose shot and thankfully had no adverse reaction, but I also respect people I know who refuse to get a vaccine. Especially when the media is now saying there is vaccine evading new variant mutations like "MU" and other ones coming down the pipeline and we will all need a 3rd, 4th etc "booster shots" every few months. Yeah nothing suspicious there. I read the Hot Zone book in 1998, I read all about the 1918-1920 H1N1 "Spanish Flu", I remember Sars in 2003, Avian Flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola 1997 and 2014, and the 2009 H1N1...Covid-19 feels like none of those things and instead feels like a Freddy Krueger Hall of mirrors that makes no sense week after week. I don't think anything in America or the world has distrupted families, friendships, relationships, communities, the media etc the way C-19 has and it's clear it will only get worse in the 2020s on top of climate collapse and the rest of the unlivable horror show on Earth.

[mentalgongfu2]

the only supposed rationale for the mandates, which is reducing the rate of COVID-19 transmission

That's just incorrect. One of the most common rationales for the vaccine is reducing serious health consequences when infected.
You can't pretend ignorance that you haven't heard this daily in the MSM for the last several months.

Additionally, the report doesn't actually AT ALL DISCUSS TRANSMISSION. There is no way from the data presented to draw conclusions on transmission without making a large number of assumptions. You may not be wrong, but there is nothing in this data to say you are right.

[mentalgongfu2]

Covid-19 has fundamentally changed every basic fundamental of life on the planet.

Elaborate, please.

Experiences differ widely depending on where one lives to this point.

Where I live, the state legislature has banned mask mandates by any local government, specifically banned mask mandates in schools, fired people from public health positions for reporting data the governor found unfavorable, limited data reporting to prevent this in the future, and nothing about my daily life is changed except that a large number of my neighbors also wear masks while in the grocery store out of a sense of responsibility, not fear, that seems to be lacking in many jurisdictions.

[Belligerent Savant]

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What state do you live in? Sure as hell doesn't sound anything like a 'blue' state to me.

I live in the greater NYC area - i work in NYC but currently live in NJ. As you can imagine, the environment/fear climate in both states is markedly distinct from your observed locale. Children (influenced by parents and educators) and adults wear masks in no small part due to fear and conditioning.

Thankfully, in my area/town it's not common: despite mask mandates, a considerable amount simply do not wear them outside; perhaps half will wear them in stores. This changes, of course, once approaching a more urbanized town (meaning: more people are observed wearing masks -- they also tend to be enforced more, on average).

My employer in NYC recently updated policy to require vaccination in order to enter a company office. Previously i traveled and arranged in-person meetings without such limits, though many of my peers found such activities -- traversing the real world, maskless, to boot -- to be too risky. While much of my work can be performed remotely -- as I'm one of privileged members of the professional managerial class -- it's only a matter of time before i'll need to address this issue with my employer. I've already prepared plenty of content and will not submit to mandates, if at all, without a fight.

My children are FORCED to wear masks in schools. Soon, they will likely be FORCED to vaccinate, at which point they'll promptly be pulled from public schooling. Thankfully my older kids are not beholden to the fear tactics, and mask usage isn't strongly enforced in many instances, so they keep the masks down as often as possible.

However, my youngest, entering 1st grade, has already been dis-enrolled from public school as, in my view, it's imperative for her to receive learning during the early formative years -- for proper cognitive and phonetic development -- without goddamned muzzles on her/her fellow students' face(s), or importantly, the teacher's face. As such, our youngest started at a local homeschool 'pod': a group of like-minded parents pooled resources and hired a couple teachers, as well as a rented space (a vacant former pre-school) to offer mask-free learning. They roam freely, interact closely without any medieval plastic shields or barriers. It's beautiful to observe, and a testament to how far we've fallen in just over 18 months: the sound of children laughing and playing together wiithout overt and underlying symbols/expressions of FEAR and DANGER is increasingly rare in this country.
(Whereas many EU countries, and Russia, do not have any such mask mandates in schools, minimally for those 12 and under).

It only underscores the absolute grotesquerie of the experience most schoolchildren in this country are enduring currently.

Many parents simply don't have the ability, or the means, to set up such 'pods'.

8bit is largely spot-on: govt/corporate actions over the past 18 months have absolutely, fundamentally altered lives and livelihoods. To suggest otherwise is myopic, to put it charitably.

Are there exceptions, currently? Sure, for now.

[Harvey]

Sad you must go to such lengths BelSav. Fucking appalling actually. However, I'm uplifted by your determination and unwillingness to surrender. That so many always do, without even a murmer, is why we're having this conversation at all.

[The Bernician]

the only supposed rationale for the mandates, which is reducing the rate of COVID-19 transmission

That's just incorrect. One of the most common rationales for the vaccine is reducing serious health consequences when infected.
You can't pretend ignorance that you haven't heard this daily in the MSM for the last several months.

Additionally, the report doesn't actually AT ALL DISCUSS TRANSMISSION. There is no way from the data presented to draw conclusions on transmission without making a large number of assumptions. You may not be wrong, but there is nothing in this data to say you are right.

Come on, man. The very text you quote talks about transmission being the most common rationale for mandates (and, I'd add, other forms of coercion). Indeed, what you say supports that point: these vaccines are about personal protection for those who take them, not societal protection.

Never in my lifetime has any medical intervention - any policy of any kind, in fact - been pushed as vigorously as this one. In one country, let alone with such global coordination. This would disturb me enough if there was a clear public health benefit to these vaccines. Given that there's none (or very little), I think I'd have to suppress both my intuition and my critical thinking faculties not to be extremely alarmed. What might help me achieve that? Messages - liminal and otherwise - of fear, reinforced through widespread social behaviours, perhaps?

I'm old enough, incidentally, to remember a time (spring 2021, I believe it was) when my government was explaining that, as these vaccines were about preventing severe disease and death, they'd only be offered to the old-ish and vulnerable. I even received repeated information leaflets when it was my turn to be first invited and then hounded through every available communication channel to take 'the jab' which repeated this information - that the treatment was only recommended if I had a significant underlying health condition, or was elderly. Yesterday, the Chief Medical Officers of the four UK nations, under government instruction to think again after the JCVI recommended not vaccinating 12-15 year olds, recommended a schools-based vaccination programme for that cohort which just happens to be ready to roll. They'd prefer parental consent, they say, but if children - after receiving 'child-focused communications' on the treatments - demur from their parents' reluctance to have them injected (but strangely, not if the kids don't want it and the parents do), some old legal precedent about contraception for minors means that they'll be able to consent on their own behalf, once judged competent to do so. Meanwhile, on the same day, 'booster jabs' were recommended - and that programme, too, is happily ready to roll - but, of course, only for the over-50s and vulnerable...

[Karmamatterz]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Props BelSav. You are an inspiration. I've spoken with many in their late 40s/early50s recently and we are thankful our children are out of high school. I too would pull my kids from any school that made those fucked up mandates. You're spot on, kids need the early learning in phonics and masks do nothing but get in the way. Please share more on all this and how it's working out. I'll be it would not be hard to find more people who are going through what you and your family are and make it a larger group.

If anyone is really not feeling, seeing, hearing or in any manner physically impacted by the lates wave of dystopian madness then props to you too! Please share the general area where you live. Not looking to dox, but learn where some semblance of normalcy exists.

Over the Labor Day weekend I attended a smallish music festival in Ohio. Camping and cavorting with 5,000+ people of all ages, but most were under 40. We camped, shared "stuff" and had a great time. I counted a total of 5 people who wore a mask. That is over a 3 day period in close proximity. 5 people. Under normal circumstances nobody would question why anybody would wear a mask. Most would assume they have a condition of some sort that requires it. These 5 people stood out like sore thumbs as people hugged, danced, sweated, swam and enjoyed being HUMAN. It was ironic because the crowd there can be weird and living in those conditions is far from normal. But the weekend was fabulously "normal" and the music amazing. Nobody I heard spoke a word about the virus, covid, vaxxes etc... Nobody cared. There were no authoritarian Y@tzee vaccine passports, tests, cards or a fucking thing required but your paid ticket to enter. The bands and venue did not require any bullshit for entry. I'm going to see Thievery Corporation next week in CLE and so far that band has not issued any entry requirements. The House of Blues in our locale only enforces entry mandates if the band requests it.

For anybody who is frustrated, worried and concerned with where these mandates are going don't give up! Feel free to message me and maybe we can all privately share more and help each other. I'm reluctant to share too much on this sometimes anti-fascist board as it's open to the public and trust doesn't come easy.