Giffords shooting

[8bitagent]

Out of curiosity, do those of you who see a 2001 "syncromysticicity" or WTF you call them realize that the Millennium Hilton was designed to resemble the 2001 monolith *intentionally*?

You all kinda false-flag KWH'd the KWH.

Yes, I realize that, Nathan. I work in the stone building attached to the Millennium Hilton, and I've given its location a great deal of thought, again, due to the transformative nature of the monolith in Kubrick's film. I'm not saying that it can't be a coincidence that it overlooks the location of the most transformative event of the past 70 or so years. I am saying that if it is a coincidence, then it's quite a magnificent one.

It's not a coincidence. It's quite literally intentional. It was intended to resemble the monolith and it was intended to be situated among the most powerful office blocks on earth. Let's just say the deck was stacked in favor of any "most transformative" events taking place in the neighborhood.

Nathan, way to take all the magic out of a perfectly beautiful synch, by making it even more synchie. Now I want to know more about this building, when it was conceived, when it was designed, when it was built and couple that with the timeline of Arthur C Clarke and Kubrick's conception, design and release of their respective hands in the 2001+ saga. You do realize were it not for some of the time and mind bending shit a lot of people give leeway to around here, it would just be you and maxtheknife sending invisible comments into the ether about prosaic explanations for what the rest of the world thinks is stupid right?

The '"syncromysticicity" or WTF you call them' happens to be one of the benefits of this place. I for one find any angle as to understanding evil in and of this existence well worth the time pondering. Everybody who has contributed to the various angles as to the "syncromysticicity" of anything, anytime and anywhere has my kudos and support. I think many people come here for this, as I for one, do. We do not come here to be berated for taking an unconventional, yet benign tact at understanding current or historical events.

That said. . .

So you're saying that the building was designed to look exactly like the monolith of 2001 and this was intentional? OK. Explain why this is. I am interested in why a building was built to look exactly like a movie tie-in which precipitates so many other anomalies in other facets of modern life. I once had an idea in the mid nineties to build a Vegas resort/casino that looked like a crashed Star Wars star destroyer. Is this kinda the same thing?

82: there's a stunning and hypnotic 8 minute documentary about 9/11 and Kubrick's 2001. It stars Jake Kotze, but is really professionally done and leaves a very unsettling mood.
But pretty much into goes into the deep occult and Kubrickian symbolism in the structures of 9/11(including the Pentagon)
The documentary short is called "Synchronicity"


The High Priestess card. The Jakim and Boaz illustration in Albert Pike's "Morals and Dogma". the Solomon Temple pillar motif in Masonry. The Pentagon on the cover of the Necromonican(with a small wedge missing) The Sephiroth Kabbalist tree of life. Aleister Crowley's obsession with "11", "77", "93" and "175". People have lamented on the number "9 11" and the theme of the twin towers being woven into our subconscious over the years via movies, media and advertising since the 60's. However, it's clear that through the centuries that in an esoteric/occult way the themes of 9/11 have been woven in our narrative.

On the morning of 9/11, it was Saturn in Gemini and Pluto in Saggitarius


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There can be no doubt that 9/11 was the highest form of a black magick working or ritual. Whoever(or whatever) was behind 9/11 was most likely tapping into the same dark mysteries and complex systems Crowley had inadvertently tapped into.

11:

"Firstly", 11 is the number of Magick in itself. It is therefore suitable to all types of operation.

"Secondly", it is the sacred number par excellence of the new Aeon. As it is written in the Book of the Law:

"...11, as all their numbers who are of us."1
"My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. The Five Pointed Star, with a Circle in the Middle, & the circle is Red. My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing. Also I have a secret glory for them that love me. " [Liber Al I:60]

77:

The sublime and supreme septenary in its mature magical manifestation through matter...written in Hebrew Ayin Zayin (OZ)...Capricornus, the Devil of the Tarot; which is the picture of the Goat of the Sabbath on an altar.2

77 also represents half of the formulation of sexual magic in both the O.T.O. and the Kabbalah.3 It is also the 77 infernal names of the Devil in The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey.4

93:

The cabalistic gematria5 values of the Greek words Thelema (Will), Agape (Love) and, Aiwass6 in Crowley's magical system equate to the number 93.

"The matter is of extreme importance; because Aiwass in dictating The Book of the Law repeatedly makes use of correspondences in Greek, such as Thelema, Will, 93 --- Agape, Love, 93. 718 = Stele 666, and so on...Thus his own name spelt in Hebrew has the value 93."7



175:

Liber 175 in Crowley's magical system is a ritual used to invoke any deity by adoration.

"There are three main methods of invoking any deity:

The first method consists of devotion to that deity... being mainly mystical in character, they may not be dealt with in this place, especially as a perfect instruction exists in Liber 175.

The second method is the straightforward ceremonial invocation...

The third method is the dramatic, perhaps the most attractive of all; certainly it is so to the artist temperament, for it appeals to his imagination through his aesthetic sense."8

9/11 is beyond the scope of some Muslims in a cave or suit-and-tie spooks in the military industrial complex.

I personally feel Kubrick *knew* a lot about whats really going on...you see the deep state/peer behind the curtain peek on Dr Strangelove, 2001, The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, Clocwork Orange...
and Eyes Wide Shut. This brilliant post seems to think Eyes Wide Shut is about POST 9/11 Manhattan, a kind of "sequel" to 2001. Relating Eyes Wide Shut as the end feast of the 9/11 death ritual,
and the richly woven symbolism contained
http://wrongwaywizard.blogspot.com/2008 ... izard.html

[Tucy]

First of all, it's so cool to see the Congresswomen improving. And I thought Obama gave a good speech. We all got choked up...man it was very moving.

Well, I'm not into symbolism and numbers, especially looking for them in connection to large events. Just something in my gut says it's works better as an artistic or personal path of exploration. Having said that I see that JLL was born on September 10 (88).

Also does anyone know why the shooters head and eyebrows were shaved? Was he like that before or after?
oh and I read somewhere that erad3 is triple dare backwards...bit of a reach though.

[DoYouEverWonder]

Obama gets 31 million TV viewers in Tucson tribute

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70D0W620110114



I bet the DLC bots are going spastic over on DU about how great Obombya is. How this moment made him such a great leader.

In the meantime,

'Six killed' in attack on Pakistan woman constable

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Militants armed with rockets and rifles raided the house of a female police constable in Pakistan's troubled northwest, killing her and five relatives, according to officials.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iCQVqhbrtDfyrP7ue59nnjSgvfpA?docId=CNG.206e9da30bbd9b6afd57691fa13ac2fe.771

Obombya continues to supply arms to fuel all these conflicts and none of these folks could give a shit.

[justdrew]

asshole gun nut makes idiot of self. again. as usual.

This article finally addresses and shows just how close we came to a complete royal fuckup due to people running around with guns.

January 14, 2011
Trent Franks: 'I Wish There Had Been One More Gun' In Tucson

First Posted: 01-12-11 05:59 PM | Updated: 01-12-11 07:32 PM


Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday that he wishes one additional person had possessed a firearm in Tucson on Saturday, presumably to use on Jared Lee Loughner.

"I wish there had been one more gun there that day in the hands of a responsible person, that's all I have to say," Franks said at a briefing, according to Politico.

The argument that more firearms would result in greater security -- especially in cases such as the one over the weekend -- has been a common argument for gun-rights activists, bolstered by headlines such as this.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) came to such a conclusion in a recent interview, claiming that "if there had been guns there for people to defend themselves with, perhaps the carnage could have been less."

But as William Saletan wrote for Slate, there is often a fine line between success and catastrophe. In this case, Joe Zamudio, the armed man (with no proper weapons training) who helped stop the shooting spree, may only have subdued the alleged shooter -- instead of shooting an innocent bystander -- by chance:

That's what happens when you run with a firearm to a scene of bloody havoc. In the chaos and pressure of the moment, you can shoot the wrong person. Or, by drawing your weapon, you can become the wrong person--a hero mistaken for a second gunman by another would-be hero with a gun. Bang, you're dead. Or worse, bang bang bang bang bang: a firefight among several armed, confused, and innocent people in a crowd. It happens even among trained soldiers. Among civilians, the risk is that much greater.

We're enormously lucky that Zamudio, without formal training, made the right split-second decisions. We can't count on that the next time some nut job starts shooting. I hope Arizona does train lawmakers and their aides in the proper use of firearms. I hope they remember this training if they bring guns to constituent meetings. But mostly, I hope they don't bring them.

[elfismiles]

Loren's latest...

The Loughner Space Coincidences
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/01/jll-nasa.html

Apparently there were TWO Dave Bowman's present... EDIT: IMADORK

5) The Very Strange Name Game Coincidence of the Two Dr. David Bowmans





Dr. David Bowman and his wife Nancy both rendered care to victims of the Tuscon shooting; they are shown above with Bill Hileman. The main person that Dr. Bowman treated was Bill's wife, Suzie Hileman. Suzie Hileman had taken 9-year-old Christina Taylor-Green to the "Congress On Your Corner" event. Christina was born on 9/11/2001.

Loughner: A Copycat?
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/ ... pycat.html

[Simulist]

Copycat?

Someone named "Dr. David Bowman" was also a character in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

[Which the author had noted well-before I posted. ]

[Simulist]

Since I consider that the substrate of this universe is actually information, I would be surprised if there weren't so many seemingly odd coincidences peppered throughout notable events like this.

Further, I think there are probably just as many "seemingly odd coincidences" peppered throughout ordinary events too, but we don't notice them so much because ordinary events don't normally warrant our scrutiny.

Or we don't think that they do.

(We might rethink that.)

[Canadian_watcher]

Since I consider that the substrate of this universe is actually information, I would be surprised if there weren't so many seemingly odd coincidences peppered throughout notable events like this.

Further, I think there are probably just as many "seemingly odd coincidences" peppered throughout ordinary events too, but we don't notice them so much because ordinary events don't normally warrant our scrutiny.

Or we don't think that they do.

(We might rethink that.)

Yes, I feel the same way. I was sorta trying to describe that way upthread somewhere but was rather clumsy. If the information for today has encoded the words "Brisbane" for example, and we immediately notice the manifestation of the Brisbane floods, but not the more subtle events which might be happening that also contain that name. Later, maybe, if the incident warrants it, we'll find synchronicities through research. I wonder if the other Brisbane events then have to do with the collective consciousness picking up on only a part of the info, or interpreting it differently, or something along those lines.

Incidentally I just did a quick news search and Brisbane, CA is in the news (Twitter wants to move their offices there).

And so it plays with names / numbers / families. Something's 'in the air' quite literally.

You ever think about a movie you haven't seen or thought about in forever and it's on TV the next night? stuff like that. mundane, but still.. weird.

[justdrew]

another piece on the problem with guns...

every single republican right-wing conservatarded ass hat talking point is bullshit. these people are clinically stupid and need to be isolated and removed from the public. I'm so gawd damn sick of these moronic clowns dominating this country.

Armed bystander almost shot hero that disarmed AZ shooter

By David Edwards
Friday, January 14th, 2011 -- 1:12 pm

Maddow destroys GOP fantasy that more guns equals less violence

Six people were killed and 14 more were injured when a gunman opened fire on an event outside a Tucson Safeway Saturday.

The tragedy could have been even worse had an armed bystander not thought twice before shooting the hero that disarmed Jared Loughner, the alleged shooter.

"I carry a gun so I was -- I felt like I was a little bit more prepared to do some good and than maybe somebody else would have been," Joe Zamudio told MSNBC's Ed Schultz Monday.

"As I came out of the door of the Walgreens, sir, I saw several individuals wrestling with him and I came running. I was already at a full sprint and you know, there's no time to think about anything," he explained.

"I saw another individual holding the firearm. I kind of assumed he was the shooter. So I grabbed his wrist and you know told him to drop it and forced him to drop the gun on the ground. When he did that, everybody says, no, no, it's this guy."

"Did you ever think in drawing your firearm or you made the determination you didn't have to?" Schultz asked.

"Sir, when I came through the door, I had my hand on the butt of my pistol and I clicked the safety off. I was ready to kill him. But I didn't have to do that and I was very blessed that I didn't have to go to that place," Zamudio replied.

"I would have shot the man holding the gun," he added.

"You would have used that firearm," Schultz pressed.

"You're damn right," Zamudio said.

In a Monday interview, Fox News' Steve Doocy noted that if Zamudio had shot his first target it "would have been a big fat mess."

"Horrible, horrible," Zamudio agreed.

"To be clear, everybody who's reacted to this shooting by saying, they wish there had been someone other than the killer with a gun at the scene," MSNBC's Rachel Maddow noted Thursday. "There was someone other than the killer with a gun at the scene. And the person he almost shot was one of the heroes who had just disarmed the killer."

"I understand there are a lot of fantasies about guns and about heroism and about heroism involving guns," Maddow continued. "The fantasy that an armed responsible gun owner is all that would have been needed to have prevented this tragedy, that is disproved by what actually did happen."

"When you talk about the fantasy of there being a responsible gun owner at that shooting on Saturday, it is not a hypothetical, that really happened. And it did not work out..."

A panel of criminology and statistics experts with the National Research Council the National Academies published a study in 2004 that found no reduced crime in states with right-to-carry (RTC) laws.

A 2010 study from Stanford Law School found that "the most consistent, albeit not uniform, finding to emerge from the array of models is that aggravated assault rises when RTC laws are adopted."

"More guns do not equal less crime." Maddow concluded flatly. "The statistical evidence on this, in aggregate, does not support the fantasy."

Yet the fantasy persists and so do accidents caused by "responsible" gun owners.

Just yesterday a 66-year-old man accidentally shot a 71-year-old woman in the rear end when his Derringer fell out of his pocket at a Houston restaurant.

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and here we see another close associate of JLL with a different take on things. I suspect she's right. This is just an angry young man who's pissed as fuck and found a way to execute his political oponents without letting it "smear" his own ideology by encouraging everyone to assume he's "just crazy" - as far as I'm concerned he's a cold calculating killer until proven otherwise.

remember he gave up "drugs" and partying with his friends. Exactly the kinda thing he would do as he falls in deeper to the right-wing mind-control machine. There doesn't need to be a single handler, the entire institution of the Republican party in this country IS a mind control cult. period. and yes there are problems with the democrats, but it's not the same thing at all.

Jared Loughner's Ex: 'He's Faking Everything'

Thanks for participating, Kelsey Hawkes, but another ex-girlfriend of Tucson shooter Jared Loughner, Ashley Figueroa, has emerged on television. Figueroa also dated Loughner in high school, and she brings the dirt: "I think he's faking everything."

Figueroa's recollections from high school are much darker than Hawkes', who said yesterday that Loughner and his family were nice, average people, and Loughner never showed a violent side.

"He used to scare me sometimes and that's kind of the reason why I left him," said Figueroa. "He kind of makes me feel uncomfortable at times. He'd get really mad and he would clench his fists really tight and kind of almost like have a little tantrum. He'd kind of like flail his arms and walk off."

Figueroa says the last time she saw Loughner was three or four months ago. She says she does not think he is mentally ill.

"I think he's faking everything. I think the outburst that he had in class — I think he's planned everything. I think that he has been planning this for some time," said Figueroa.

The working assumption on Loughner has been that he suffered from severe mental problems, perhaps paranoid schizophrenia, which would most aptly explain the delusional, personal grudge he kept against Rep. Gabrielle Giffords since meeting her three years ago. (It's worth noting that 99% of paranoid schizophrenics are harmless people who live difficult lives every day, by the way.)

But it's possible that he simply struggled with more typical depression and anxiety issues. We don't know yet. It's just more comforting to believe that he had some extremely rare, severe clinical mental disease, and that someone without that disease wouldn't be capable of doing what he did.

[Canadian_watcher]

I'm sorry, Justdrew, I have to call foul on everything you just posted.

Firstly, the article describes how an armed man rushed to the scene of the shooting and DID NOT shoot anyone. Oddly, it then goes on to use those same facts to try and demonstrate that having armed bystanders will likely result in the innocent getting hurt by escalating the situation. (I mean wtf? really? that's the best they've got?)

Secondly, you post an account from a young woman who reportedly was Loughner's girlfriend in high school speculating about what may or may not be true about the shooter's mental state in the present, based on things she observed as a teen in the past. Why would you 'tend to think she's right?' and where are you getting that he was in to the right wing / tea party milieu? where is anybody getting that?

[justdrew]

I'm sorry, Justdrew, I have to call foul on everything you just posted.

Firstly, the article describes how an armed man rushed to the scene of the shooting and DID NOT shoot anyone. Oddly, it then goes on to use those same facts to try and demonstrate that having armed bystanders will likely result in the innocent getting hurt by escalating the situation. (I mean wtf? really? that's the best they've got?)

Secondly, you post an account from a young woman who reportedly was Loughner's girlfriend in high school speculating about what may or may not be true about the shooter's mental state in the present, based on things she observed as a teen in the past. Why would you 'tend to think she's right?' and where are you getting that he was in to the right wing / tea party milieu? where is anybody getting that?

how would a gun wielding person know who to shoot? It's highly likely that they'll pick the wrong person, just as HAPPENED in this case, it just so happens he didn't shoot, another person likely would have. Then a third person shows up and shoots him. Round robin. I have zero trust in my fellow Americans, especially those fellow Americans who are so pathetic as to feel the need to carry firearms while running errands around town. It's madness.

This girlfriend was with him more recently than the last, and saw him much more recently. The other one was talking about a child she knew 6 years ago.

His actions point directly to a right-wing mentality. "Left-wing" people haven't shot anyone in decades. The language fixation/freeman non-sense is completely the domain of so-called "conservative" loonies.

[JackRiddler]

I'm sorry, Justdrew, I have to call foul on everything you just posted.

Firstly, the article describes how an armed man rushed to the scene of the shooting and DID NOT shoot anyone. Oddly, it then goes on to use those same facts to try and demonstrate that having armed bystanders will likely result in the innocent getting hurt by escalating the situation. (I mean wtf? really? that's the best they've got?)

Secondly, you post an account from a young woman who reportedly was Loughner's girlfriend in high school speculating about what may or may not be true about the shooter's mental state in the present, based on things she observed as a teen in the past. Why would you 'tend to think she's right?' and where are you getting that he was in to the right wing / tea party milieu? where is anybody getting that?

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No. He doesn't seem to have been organized in the right wing / tea party milieu.

Nevertheless, if thousands of TV hours and column-inches and billions in advertising and PR had not been devoted to granting legitimacy to the rebranded Republican base (a.k.a. the "tea party") as the true voice of the zeitgeist and of popular revolt against an illegitimate government, you can be sure that this unorganized, revenge-seeking, alienated, gun-toting moron with delusions of grandeur and vaguely right-wing ideas, psycho or not, would have fixated on a target (if at all) other than a female Democratic congressional representative widely hated for being pro-immigrant and pro-"Obamacare" and "liberal" (in the Arizonan context, anyway).

If the same volume of lying hate propaganda designating a group as traitorous foreign subhumans who were Destroying America and taking away your dollars and your precious guns had been directed at corporate CEOs, he might have shot one of those. But this lying hate propaganda was directed at Democratic Congress critters (as well as immigrants and other groups who have borne the brunt of the right-wing hatred and violence without the same attention being received).

Maybe you think it was coincidental that Giffords was already on Palin's crosshairs map and getting death threats and having her offices vandalized and complaining about it publicly, before an actual assassin appeared and shot her for completely unrelated reasons because he was crazy. I do not. (I also think this is of greater significance in explaining what happened than that someone on the scene was named Dave Bowman, or that the young girl the assassin murdered happened to be born on 9/11/01.)

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As for the other guy with the gun, leaving that article aside, it is interesting that for many, many years we've been hearing the NRA-to-Alex Jones bullshit about how legal guns provide protection against gun-toting asshole rampage killers, and yet never once has this been the case. Never once has one of these dozens of rampage killers been stopped by a fellow gun-wielder; not even in a state that allows any asshole to buy any gun, add an extended clip, and walk around with it all day concealed.

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[justdrew]

[Canadian_watcher]

I'm stubborn about this because I *do* see just as much hate coming out of the left as I do the right.
Maybe it's because I pay more attention to what would be called 'the left' than I do the right.. but then maybe not, because I listen to all kinds of things (just not Limbaugh or O'Reilly or Hannity or Olbermann unless they do something spectacular and it makes it onto the wider media).

Listen to the hate against the right in this forum alone, and this isa sort of apolitical/brainy/intuitive/creative crew.

I should go take a sampling of the diary titles from Daily Kos for a loose survey.

Justdrew: the thing is the guy in the situation DIDN'T shoot anyone. kinda makes the point for the other guys, doesn't it?

[Nordic]

Justdrew: the thing is the guy in the situation DIDN'T shoot anyone. kinda makes the point for the other guys, doesn't it?

Well, no. I have to disagree with you here. The fact that the guy could have, and would have, shot the wrong guy is deeply disturbing.

The fact that he didn't go through with it is in no way reassuring.

And no, these fools who think that they can deter crimes such as this by packing heat? They're living in a fantasy world. A silly, macho fantasy world.

If anything, this guy proves that, because for whatever reason, he didn't pull out his gun and shoot the guy he THOUGHT was the perp.

Most people simply aren't gonna pull out a gun and start shooting, even in one of these situations.