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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:34 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
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bks wrote:AJ: situation growing more violent. Insurance building on fire.

Peaceful protesters allegedly not being permitted to leave square, despite wanting to.


Yup. This is how it is done. Oh well. Nice try freedom fighters. Now it is time for pure brutality.

This will grow. It will also necessitate WWIII. The state, the empire, the technofascist elite are more than willing to go the distance.


it was all a ruse - not, of course, the spirit of the peaceful protesters, but everything else.

the West can play the hero now, and go in to 'save' the protesters one way or another. This is hideous.


I never intimated that the will of the people had anything to do with a ruse C_W. However, since the "state" is relatively singular, I have no doubt about their plans for the past, present and future. Do you have any doubts about what power desires here?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby crikkett » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:37 am

Yarnell Perkins wrote:Pages & pages ago, Kid seemed to marvel that the protesters stopped to pray. It occurred to me then -- when ever that was -- that the last time a U.S. movement amounted to much, there was quite a bit of prayer involved.

So I've been praying, for the people of North Africa, for freedom, for Alice.


We can't know how this will turn out, and the arguments about will this turn out well and who's behind what -- who can know? The point of all this is that the people of Egypt are militantly stubbornly doing the right thing. I envy them their self-discipline, solidarity, love of neighbor, strength of character. If only my people were this damned GOOD!

Seems like job one in U.S. media coverage of this is to be damned sure us'uns don't understand that what we're seeing is an entire people indulging themselves with lots and lots of heroism. They don't want us getting any ideas.

Pray some more. This ain't a game.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:38 am

RT @NevineZaki: Again, PLEASE do not get into any pro or against Mubarak arguments, that's their plan! #egypt #Jan25

RT @Ssirgany: RT @jonjensen: Doctor at Tahrir field hospital reports 70 injuries, mostly from rocks. #Egypt #Mubarak #jan25

jpost: over 100 reported injured,army stands aside after using tear gas, 4 israeli journalists arrested in cairo. #jan25 #egypt

RT @azadessa: Injuries reported, bloodied faces #Tahrir Square An activist is bawling her eyes out over the telephone @AJEnglish TV #Egypt

RT @ianinegypt: The situation in Egypt just went to hell in a handbasket. #egypt #jan25

RT @ramyraoof: #Video: Small Girl Chanting With Her Father Against the Regime http://youtu.be/gZ8w95psYxo #Egypt #Jan25

RT @parvezsharma: #Cairo friend: I just escaped being stabbed by a knive #Mubarak has let out his paid thugs to now kill us #Jan25 #Egypt

RT @Cyberela: RT @monasosh: How can u believe Mobarak's promises after 30 years of deceit and corruption #Jan25 #Egypt

RT @AlMasryAlYoum_E: Parliamentary speaker: Amendment of articles 76, 77 in 2 1/2 months http://ow.ly/3OOW4 #Jan25 #Egypt

#Egypt via AJE: Anti-govt. protester tells AJ that they can't leave the square even if she wanted to - crying on air - http://aje.me/dKyIQt

RT @Mamoudinijad: Egypt's state TV says that anti-government protesters in Tahrir square are enemies of the state. #Egypt #Jan25

RT @naglarzk: to those who liked mubarak's speech: how do you like the peacful transition so far? #jan25 #egypt

RT @ianinegypt: Pro-Mubarak protesters are threatening journalists with violence. #egypt #jan25

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 23 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:42 am

My heart aches at what I am watching. *sighs*

Police and thugs linking arms to incite violence and bloodshed.

And the military revealing their true allegiance by empowering the violence through their deliberate inaction.

What is happening to our brothers and sisters in Egypt... is happening to us.

For we are them, and they are us.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:42 am

2.33pm: An al-Jazeera correspondent estimates he has seen around 100 people carried away from Tahrir Square, with the most seriously injured an unconscious boy, no more than 8-years-old, who was being carried on the back of a man.

A crying female protester told the station that pro-democracy protesters were being prevented from leaving the square and urged people not to credit the pro-Mubarak supporters with the description "protesters".

2.29pm: Pro-Mubarak supporters are recognizably police, says Peter Beaumont.

There is no question in my mind that they police, they are central security forces. These are the same guys that were out in force all last week and they have filtered back in again. They are very very recognisable, they are certain kind of people.

At that point the line cut out.


2.25pm: Three army trucks have been seized by pro-Mubarak supporters and are now using them as a barricade to attack pro-democracy campaigners. Al Jazeera reported that the trucks were seized without any resistance from the army, which is not making its presence felt at all.



2.10pm: Very ominous information coming out of Cairo, with reports of gunfire. Al Jazeera suggests they might be warning shots to keep people away from the museum, which is being defended by a number of military vehicles.


@BloggerSeif

Gunshots from behind me somewhere #Jan25


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/201 ... s#block-39

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:43 am

23 wrote:My heart aches at what I am watching. *sighs*

Police and thugs linking arms to incite violence and bloodshed.

And the military revealing their true allegiance by empowering the violence through their deliberate inaction.

What is happening to our brothers and sisters in Egypt... is happening to us.

For we are them, and they are us.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 82_28 » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:46 am

Oh man. They have "both sides" leering at one another now and throwing rocks. This is kinda like Kristalnacht but caught live on camera maybe. Fuck. Good luck out there. . .

There is intense mind control by being a part of any crowd you wind up finding yourself in. This probably won't "end" well today.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:01 am

2.52pm: New York Times Pulitzer prize winning columnist Nick Kristoff tweets that menacing pro-Mubarak mobs have arrived in buses:

In my part of Tahrir, pro-#Mubarak mobs arrived in buses, armed with machetes, straight-razors and clubs, very menacing.
less than a minute ago via web
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2.49pm: There are lots of people saying the army is simply watching as the violence unfolds around them:


@ashrafkhalil

#jan25 I saw at least a dozen guys coming back badly bloodied from front line. Incredibly violent scene and the soldiers are just watching

@TravellerW

I saw an army checkpoint searching barely 5% of a pro-Mub group then waving them all through #egypt #jan25

Tear gas is now being fired, it is not clear who is firing it.


2.43pm: Abdel Halim Qandil, from the opposition Kefaya party, echoed the claims that it is Mubarak's security services who are reponsible for the unrest. He told al-Jazeera.

There are no Mubarak protesters. They are thugs, secruity personnel, dressed as civilians. What is happening in Tahrir Square now is a crime perpetrated by the Mubarak regime. It is another crime perpetrated by him...he must be held accountable.....we cannot stop until we see this murderous regime step down.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/201 ... s#block-42

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:03 am

82_28 wrote:I never intimated that the will of the people had anything to do with a ruse C_W. However, since the "state" is relatively singular, I have no doubt about their plans for the past, present and future. Do you have any doubts about what power desires here?


didn't mean to intimate that you intimated that. ;) I'm picking up what you're layin' down.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:04 am

23 wrote:My heart aches at what I am watching. *sighs*

Police and thugs linking arms to incite violence and bloodshed.

And the military revealing their true allegiance by empowering the violence through their deliberate inaction.

What is happening to our brothers and sisters in Egypt... is happening to us.

For we are them, and they are us.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:04 am

AJ: crowds being bombarded with rocks from rooftops; Ban Ki Moon condemns "actions taken against peaceful protestors", seems it is clear even to him that Mubarak is orchestrating this.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:06 am

AJ: now there are reports of dead people.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:09 am

Jewish prayers for Egypt's uprising
Many Jews from around the world support Egyptian self-determination because of Judaism's own historic past with Egypt.
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Ever since the victory over the dictator of Tunisia and the subsequent uprising in Egypt, my email has been flooded with messages from Jews around the world hoping and praying for the victory of the Egyptian people over their cruel Mubarak regime.

Though a small segment of Jews have responded to right-wing voices from Israel that lament the change and fear that a democratic government would bring to power fundamentalist extremists who wish to destroy Israel and who would abrogate the hard-earned treaty that has kept the peace between Egypt and Israel for the last 30 years, the majority of Jews are more excited and hopeful than worried.

Of course, the worriers have a point. Israel has allied itself with repressive regimes in Egypt and used that alliance to ensure that the borders with Gaza would remain closed while Israel attempted to economically deprive the Hamas regime there by denying needed food supplies and equipment to rebuild after Israel's devastating attack in December 2008 and January 2009. If the Egyptian people take over, they are far more likely to side with Hamas than with the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

Yet it is impossible for Jews to forget our heritage as victims of another Egyptian tyrant - the Pharaoh whose reliance on brute force was overthrown when the Israelite slaves managed to escape from Egypt some 3,000 years ago. That story of freedom retold each year at our Passover "Seder" celebration, and read in synagogues in the past month, has often predisposed the majority of Jews to side with those struggling for freedom around the world.

To watch hundreds of thousands of Egyptians able to throw off the chains of oppression and the legacy of a totalitarian regime that consistently jailed, tortured or murdered its opponents so overtly that most people were cowed into silence, is to remember that the spark of God continues to flourish no matter how long oppressive regimes manage to keep themselves in power, and that ultimately the yearning for freedom and democracy cannot be totally stamped out no matter how cruel and sophisticated the elites of wealth, power and military might appear to be.

Many Jews have warned Israel that it is a mistake to ally with these kinds of regimes, just as we've warned the US to learn the lesson from its failed alliance with the Shah of Iran. We've urged Israel to free the Palestinian people by ending the Occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. Israel's long-term security will not be secured through military or economic domination, but only by acting in a generous and caring way toward the Palestinian people first, and then toward all of its Arab neighbours.

Similarly, America's homeland security will best be achieved through a strategy of generosity and caring, manifested through a new Global Marshall Plan such as has been introduced into the House of Representatives by Congressman Keith Ellison.

In normal times, when the forces of repression seem to be winning, this kind of thinking is dismissed as "utopian" by the "realists" who shape public political discourse. But when events like the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt occur, for a moment the politicians and media are stunned enough to allow a different kind of thinking to emerge, the kind of thinking that acknowledged that underneath all the "business as usual" behaviour of the world's peoples, the yearning for a world based on solidarity, caring for each other, freedom, self-determination, justice, non-violence and yes, even love and generosity, remains a potent and unquenchable thirst that may be temporarily repressed but never fully extinguished.

It is this recognition that leads many Jews to join with the rest of the world's peoples in celebrating the uprising, in praying that it does not become manipulated by the old regime into paths that too quickly divert the hopes for a brand new kind of order into politics and economics as usual, or into extremist attempts to switch the anger from domestic elites who have been the source of Egyptian oppression onto Jews or Israel which have not been responsible for the suffering of the Egyptian people.

We hope that Egyptians will hear the news that they have strong support from many in the Jewish world. We are not waffling like Obama - we want the overthrow of Mubarak, the freeing of all political prisoners, the redistribution of wealth in a fair way, trials for those who perpetrated torture and other forms of injustice, and the democratisation of all aspects of Egyptian life.


Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of Tikkun, chair of the interfaith Network of Spiritual Progressives, and rabbi of Beyt Tikkun Synagogue in Berkeley, California. You can read more about the Global Marshall Plan here.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:11 am

what I see coming out of this in the inevitably Western analysis will be that the army should get involved in protests much earlier, so as to avoid 'this sort of thing.'

And of course, they'll install someone they love into power in Egypt, but we won't talk about that.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby tazmic » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:16 am

Many international media commentators – and some academic and political analysts – are having a hard time understanding the complexity of forces driving and responding to these momentous events. This confusion is driven by the binary “good guys versus bad guys” lenses most use to view this uprising. Such perspectives obscure more than they illuminate. There are three prominent binary models out there and each one carries its own baggage: (1) People versus Dictatorship: This perspective leads to liberal naïveté and confusion about the active role of military and elites in this uprising. (2) Seculars versus Islamists: This model leads to a 1980s-style call for “stability” and Islamophobic fears about the containment of the supposedly extremist “Arab street.” Or, (3) Old Guard versus Frustrated Youth: This lens imposes a 1960s-style romance on the protests but cannot begin to explain the structural and institutional dynamics driving the uprising, nor account for the key roles played by many 70-year-old Nasser-era figures.

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