Aurora CO Theater Massacre

[compared2what?]

(Even when no clear motive for faking it is immediately apparent, I mean.)

I don't know. I don't really think he is faking it. But it's possible, and he has good reason to.

I guess my official stance would be that I don't have one. But the truth is that I don't really think it either. That's about me, though. Or....Maybe not. I'm not sure. I'm just reasonably sure it's not about him. For the obvious reasons.

Honestly, I have no clue.

[chump]

This http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 933765/pg1 is an "unedited" audio of the Aurora PD FD radio calls from the night of the massacre. Guaranteed to make you cry... Sorry.

The PD department comes in one speaker simultaneouly with the FD on the other. I found it to be easier listening to one side at a time. I only had time to listen to one side of the first 40 minutes.The shooting is reported at the 28:00 mark. At 34:00, there is a report of a gunshot victim in a white Kia. At 35:00, Suspect (?) is spotted behind the theatre wearing a gas mask . At 38:00, an officer mentions that "one of the shooters may be wearing a white and blue plaid shirt."

[MacCruiskeen]

c2w, by the way: of course I wasn't accusing you of "shilling for the pharma industry" and never would do so. My objection to the term "schizophrenia" is that it's a mere label for a whole bunch of different varieties of intense misery, and that (like "drapetomania") it merely obscures what it pretends to explain. To discuss this properly here would take the thread too far OT, and anyway I think we've been around this block before (in the "Jani" thread). It's certainly worth a thread of its own, though.

In the case of James Holmes, it just struck me as another pre-emptive judgment of the kind the mass media are encouraging us all to make. Just as they'd like us all to believe that James Holmes was identified as the killer by hundreds of people in the theater when in fact he was identified by precisely none, so they've been busily spreading images of him looking like "a complete schizo" (i.e., looking dazed, shocked, groggy and disorientated) and insinuating that there was already something pathological per se in the fact that he was apparently both a brilliant student and quite a shy person.

Now that they've performed that fine task, James Holmes is 1) in solitary confinement; 2) masked, i.e., literally gagged (like Hannibal Lecter); 3) inaccessible to the rest of the world; and 4) about to be tried in secret, like innumerable other Bad Guys in orange overalls.

That's all. I certainly wasn't attacking you personally.

[compared2what?]

I understood. Honestly, I could have just clarified by saying:

I didn't mean much of anything that was a whole lot different than what you meant above and/or earlier. Because I didn't, to the best of my belief.

Strange, but true.

[stoneonstone]

Well, at this point, given all the flapping loose ends out there (& taking a break from the apologies and clarifications of intent), I would say any trial that convicts Holmes without:

A) a clear, lucid and unambiguous confession with real and engaged lawyers representing him,
or
B) security camera footage, abundant and unedited proving the coming 'explanation' (and phone cam captures, if it bubbles up)

is going to be a terrible joke once again.

Hell, Sirhan Sirhan was clearly proven not to be in a position [ BY AN HONEST CORONER'S REPORT ] to get point blank shots into Robert Kennedy...and physical evidence was destroyed where it conflicted with the scenario. Yet he still was put away for it.

What hope is there of getting to an honest reconstruction in this case?

[seemslikeadream]

Well, at this point, given all the flapping loose ends out there (& taking a break from the apologies and clarifications of intent), I would say any trial that convicts Holmes without:

A) a clear, lucid and unambiguous confession with real and engaged lawyers representing him,
or
B) security camera footage, abundant and unedited proving the coming 'explanation' (and phone cam captures, if it bubbles up)

is going to be a terrible joke once again.

Hell, Sirhan Sirhan was clearly proven not to be in a position [ BY AN HONEST CORONER'S REPORT ] to get point blank shots into Robert Kennedy...and physical evidence was destroyed where it conflicted with the scenario. Yet he still was put away for it.

What hope is there of getting to an honest reconstruction in this case?

[quote]UPDATE 2-Accused Colorado gunman sent notebook to psychiatrist-report

[happenstance]

Accused gunman James Holmes sent notebook with plan to psychologist

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-New ... ychologist

[compared2what?]

Well, at this point, given all the flapping loose ends out there (& taking a break from the apologies and clarifications of intent), I would say any trial that convicts Holmes without:

A) a clear, lucid and unambiguous confession with real and engaged lawyers representing him,
or
B) security camera footage, abundant and unedited proving the coming 'explanation' (and phone cam captures, if it bubbles up)

is going to be a terrible joke once again.

On what grounds? (Which loose ends, iow?)

[Luther Blissett]

I have to agree with this point. I'd like to think that if James Holmes were black I'd be thinking about him and talking about him in the exact same way. I'll never know, though, and I am not "convinced" that he's schizophrenic which I guess is what constitutes a mainstream thought now. Not sure why the word "queers" is thrown around at the end there.

http://highvoodoopussypope.tumblr.com

starvedforjustice:
when PoC fuck up, their shit gets put on blast

everyone needs to know exactly what happened, and it’s on the news, and it’s on every social media site

when a white person fucks up the media coddles them, and forgives them, and looks for external causes to explain their actions so that no one has to think they’re guilty


kinseysixbitch:
so true

“it’s just mental illness”


highvoodoopussypope:
WHITE PEOPLE

COLLECT YOUR FUCKING GARBAGE

SERIOUSLY

FUCKING WHITE QUEERS JESUS FUCK YOU ALL SUCK

[justdrew]

UPDATE 2-Accused Colorado gunman sent notebook to psychiatrist-report

By Chris Francescani and Keith Coffman

<...>

The Fox News report said police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after a psychiatrist who is a professor at the school reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect.

Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another parcel sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes' name in the return address, the source told Fox News.

After obtaining a search warrant, police took the package away and discovered its contents.

well, that sounds incedibly suspicious. That detail about the Psychologist initially having the wrong package, I guarantee that's going to vanish down the memory hole.

Fox: Notebook with shooting details sent to psychiatrist
Fox News reports that several days before Friday's theater shooting, the suspect, James Holmes, sent a notebook of drawings and details of the massacre to a University of Colorado psychiatrist but that it sat in a mail room until Monday.

Sources have told other news organizations, including USA TODAY, that Holmes sent a package to the university's medical campus and that it was found Monday.

Update at 8:22 p.m. ET: NBC News weighs in with its own source, who says Holmes told investigators after his arrest to look for the package on the medical school campus of the University of Colorado.

The "senior law enforcement official" says the package contains "writings about killing people" but "could not go into more detail."

NBC says police got two search warrants -- one for the mail room and one to open the package -- before recovering it Monday.

Update at 5:22 p.m. ET: A law enforcement official tells USA TODAY's Donna Leinwand Leger that Holmes sent a package to the medical campus that was found unopened in the campus mail room. It was addressed to a faculty member at a hospital address.

The source did not know whether the package contained a notebook, as Fox reported. But the source did say that Fox went too far in stating the package "sat unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday." More investigation is required before police can determine when it arrived and how long it sat, the source said.

Update at 3:08 p.m. ET: Citing the judge's gag order Monday, the University of Colorado medical campus says, "We cannot comment on anything regarding the ongoing criminal investigation into the theater shooting."

<more at link>

[JackRiddler]

Phew! In the meantime I have completely got over any urge to see this sucker in the theater. I think seeing the notation "2:44" did it. That's as long as "Eyes Wide Shut" and just 20 min. short of Barry Fucking Lyndon!

[stoneonstone]

Well, at this point, given all the flapping loose ends out there (& taking a break from the apologies and clarifications of intent), I would say any trial that convicts Holmes without:

A) a clear, lucid and unambiguous confession with real and engaged lawyers representing him,
or
B) security camera footage, abundant and unedited proving the coming 'explanation' (and phone cam captures, if it bubbles up)

is going to be a terrible joke once again.

On what grounds? (Which loose ends, iow?)

I posted this just after learning of 'the notebook mailed to a shrink' piece of luck for EVERYBODY.

Anyway, as far as loose ends...a few that occur to me as I sip deeply into my wine:

1) Holmes lived with two room mates. But apparently not, as he had complete freedom to festoon his apartment just like an Occupy Christmas Tree in a Koch brother white paper. Which is it?
2) Time line is sloppy. Movie start (with commercials, promos etc) is almost certainly a computerized roll, with a projectionist assembling the package and knowing the exact start and key times after the build. It would be pretty easy to find witnessess to identify the scene where the door opened and the massacre began. Within seconds. And then that can be checked against 9-11 logs and police radio timelines.
3) No security cameras? No partial cell phone imagery or sound (think of a complex insect eye; that can provide a great deal of information)?
4) Who went to the door? Who saw a crazy, drug-addled Sideshow Bob go into the theatre. I know I'd remember it as, well, a detail of the worst night of my life.
5) Ticket sales for showing. Seating capacity in theatre 9. Basic journalism. The only number we have is dead and wounded.
6) gas leakage into theatre 8 and/or second cannister in theatre 9
7) time, location of arrest of Holmes
8] reports cops coralled all witnesses and debriefed them at a nearby high school. So there is a rought list of identified theatre patrons. What percentage to what the ticket sale was, and the theatre capacity.
9) Casualty (death and wounded number) rate to theatre patrons. If it is more than 10%, I'm going to say there's more than one shooter.

A start I guess.

[MacCruiskeen]

The "senior law enforcement official" says the package contains "writings about killing people" but "could not go into more detail."

WHO are all these unidentified fucking "law enforcement officials" who keep blabbering on incessantly & irresponsibly & with global publicity & without even the slightest adverse consequences for their own sweet selves - and (nota fucking bene), in complete contempt of the alleged information-curfew that's just been announced by the fucking FBI?

They are -- if that is imaginable -- even worse than the fucking "medical experts", named or unnamed, who are incessantly quoted by the gutter fucking media. They are worse only because, and precisely because, they have even more power and even less responsibility.

Meanwhile, the subject of this high-class whispering campaign (James Holmes, the Designated Bad Guy) remains literally gagged and as alone as any human can be.

Whatever he did or didn't do, he's now in the mouth of hell.

[DrVolin]

well, that sounds incedibly suspicious. That detail about the Psychologist initially having the wrong package, I guarantee that's going to vanish down the memory hole.

That is a very strange detail. There might be a simple explanation, such as the police discretely prompting the prof to report a suspicious package so they could get a search warrant. But worth keeping an eye on for sure.

[stoneonstone]

10) (forgot this...meant it to be higher) Gas mask - either second, or only - WAAAY down the block. (see 7) ).