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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:55 pm



If anyone feels their blood pressure is getting a bit low, they can watch the interview here. It's astonishing:



It's pretty clear her real objection is to the idea of wealthy old men with high social status being treated the same as anyone else. Why, if wealthy old men with high social status aren't safe from the law, then who is? Who will be next against the wall? High-ranking barristers perhaps.

I don't remember her objecting so strenuously to the conduct of the Operation Ore investigations (which were far more dubious and witch-hunty, in most cases) or to the recent trials of (predominantly) Asian grooming gangs. It seems that only those oppressed wealthy old men of high social standing bring out her protective side.
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Postby RocketMan » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:22 am

Searcher08 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:23 am wrote:After all this blew wide open, I think we are further away than ever from understanding what on Earth was going on with him, but my intuition is that he operated at the very pinnacle circles of whatever constitutes 'deep political' power.

WHAT WAS HE?


That's the question, isn't it. A pimp, perhaps? Be that as it may, I wonder about this lack of... insulation. He openly consorted with the crème de la crème. If they knew what he was and took advantage, did they REALLY think this was going to stay under wraps for all eternity?
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:07 am

AhabsOtherLeg » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:55 pm wrote:


If anyone feels their blood pressure is getting a bit low, they can watch the interview here. It's astonishing:



It's pretty clear her real objection is to the idea of wealthy old men with high social status being treated the same as anyone else. Why, if wealthy old men with high social status aren't safe from the law, then who is? Who will be next against the wall? High-ranking barristers perhaps.

I don't remember her objecting so strenuously to the conduct of the Operation Ore investigations (which were far more dubious and witch-hunty, in most cases) or to the recent trials of (predominantly) Asian grooming gangs. It seems that only those oppressed wealthy old men of high social standing bring out her protective side.


Around the two-minute mark (that's as far as I got), she says:

Barbara Hewson wrote:"What I'm saying is that it's pointless to conduct an investigation into someone who's dead, because he can't answer."


Interesting legal argument. If generally accepted, it would force a lot of rethinking. The innocence of the four dead alleged 7/7 "bombers" would have had to be presumed all along, for example -- and now admitted in retrospect -- because they were killed instantly. Therefore, it was "pointless" ever to "conduct an investigation" of any kind, even the cursory and demonstrably flawed one that did take place. Because, being dead, they "couldnt answer".

Then there was Jean Charles de Menezes: dead in an instant, therefore nothing to investigate. Not to mention the Nineteen Deathloving Superstudents, although admittedly their deaths took place in a nation where law of any kind is fast becoming a thing of the past. Whereas in Great Britain.

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:It's pretty clear her real objection is to the idea of wealthy old men with high social status being treated the same as anyone else.


Oh, don't be so cynical. The law applies equally to all. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. And there is such a thing as the burden of proof, you know.

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Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:41 am



The only time that horrid woman cracks a thin smile with that slit of a mouth is when when she says around the 6 min mark, "and America is I think most people would agree a reasonably civilized country."
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:08 am

6:20 min:
Barbara Hewson wrote:the age of consent was raised from 13 to 16 in 1885 following a huge moral panic which led to the Criminal Law Amendment Act...


:shock: She actually said that. And repeated it. And repeated it again. "Moral panic." Three times.

1 November 2012 Last updated at 07:38

Child prostitutes: How the age of consent was raised to 16

By Melissa Hogenboom
BBC History

In 1875 the age of consent in Victorian Britain was raised from 12 to 13, but it was only after the public outrage that followed an investigative exposé into prostitution a decade later that it was raised to the current age of 16.

The words emblazoned in large print on top of the Pall Mall Gazette in the first week of July 1885 - NOTICE TO OUR READERS, followed by "A Frank Warning", set the tone for a week-long report titled The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon, exposing the lurid underworld of London's child prostitutes.

"The story of an actual pilgrimage into a real hell...”

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WT Stead (1849 - 1912) is remembered as one of the first [and last] investigative journalists

The most shocking account focussed on a 13-year-old virgin, who was bought for the night by undercover journalist William Thomas Stead - posing as a client.

Her name was Eliza Armstrong. She was bought for £5 - the equivalent of around £527 today. She was taken to a midwife to "procure the certification of her virginity" who remarked - "The poor little thing… She is so small."

She was then brought to a brothel and drugged, and the paper's readers were led to believe the worst. She let out "a helpless, startled scream like the bleat of a frightened lamb", Stead wrote.

He described his undercover experience as: "The story of an actual pilgrimage into a real hell…"

He appealed directly to the upper classes - and accused them of being the main perpetrators. "If the daughters of the people must be served up as dainty morsels to minister to the passions of the rich, let them at least attain an age when they can understand the nature of the sacrifice which they are asked to make."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/0/20097046


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Postby bluenoseclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:48 pm

Jimmy Savile chauffeur Dave Smith was 'prolific paedophile' with 22 convictions

Dave Smith, the BBC chauffeur arrested as part of the Savile inquiry and found dead on the day he was due in court, had 22 convictions for offences against boys dating back to 1966

A former BBC chauffeur, who was found dead on the day of his trial for child sex offences, was a prolific paedophile with 22 previous convictions for offences against boys, it has been revealed.
David Smith, 67, who was charged with sex offences as part of the Jimmy Savile inquiry, was found dead in his home in Lewisham, South London on Monday.
Mr Smith, 67, who drove for TV personalities including Savile in the 1980s, had been due to stand trial for allegedly abusing a 12-year-old boy in 1984.
When he failed to show a warrant was issued for his arrest, with officers discovering a body when they arrived at his home.
There are fears that he took his own life, the Sun reported.

Judge Alastair McCreath ordered that the case be closed, leading to the lifting of reporting restrictions on Mr Smith’s previous convictions, which dated back to 1966.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said yesterday: “Police attended a private address as a man had failed to appear at Southwark Crown Court.
“At approximately 14.20pm officers entered the address and found the body of a man. Next of kin are being informed.”
Mr Smith had faced two counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child, and one of buggery, all relating to a 12-year-old boy, between June 1 and July 21, 1984.
During the hearing at Southwark Crown Court Smith's defence counsel Sandy Canavan said her solicitor had been attempting to contact him without success.
She said: "He has been regularly in contact, I am concerned at the lack of contact. He is the sole carer for his very aged and very unwell mother, that may have affected why he's not here today."
The court was told that officers were on the way to his home. Judge Alastair McCreath said: "He needs to be here, if his mother's poorly or not."
He issued a bench warrant, backed for bail, with the condition that he surrender to the court by 9.30 tomorrow morning, with the case to be listed for 10am.
Smith was the first person to be charged under Operation Yewtree, the national investigation prompted after claims were made against disgraced TV presenter Savile.
Scotland Yard has led the probe, and separated its inquiries into those involving Savile, those involving Savile and others, and those involving others. Smith has been investigated under the "others" strand.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tions.html

??? "Suicided to protect police protection racket & BBC?
Jimmy Savile's chauffeur found dead at home on day due in court." ???

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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby bluenoseclaret » Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:48 pm

Jimmy Savile chauffeur Dave Smith was 'prolific paedophile' with 22 convictions

Dave Smith, the BBC chauffeur arrested as part of the Savile inquiry and found dead on the day he was due in court, had 22 convictions for offences against boys dating back to 1966

A former BBC chauffeur, who was found dead on the day of his trial for child sex offences, was a prolific paedophile with 22 previous convictions for offences against boys, it has been revealed.
David Smith, 67, who was charged with sex offences as part of the Jimmy Savile inquiry, was found dead in his home in Lewisham, South London on Monday.
Mr Smith, 67, who drove for TV personalities including Savile in the 1980s, had been due to stand trial for allegedly abusing a 12-year-old boy in 1984.
When he failed to show a warrant was issued for his arrest, with officers discovering a body when they arrived at his home.
There are fears that he took his own life, the Sun reported.

Judge Alastair McCreath ordered that the case be closed, leading to the lifting of reporting restrictions on Mr Smith’s previous convictions, which dated back to 1966.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said yesterday: “Police attended a private address as a man had failed to appear at Southwark Crown Court.
“At approximately 14.20pm officers entered the address and found the body of a man. Next of kin are being informed.”
Mr Smith had faced two counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child, and one of buggery, all relating to a 12-year-old boy, between June 1 and July 21, 1984.
During the hearing at Southwark Crown Court Smith's defence counsel Sandy Canavan said her solicitor had been attempting to contact him without success.
She said: "He has been regularly in contact, I am concerned at the lack of contact. He is the sole carer for his very aged and very unwell mother, that may have affected why he's not here today."
The court was told that officers were on the way to his home. Judge Alastair McCreath said: "He needs to be here, if his mother's poorly or not."
He issued a bench warrant, backed for bail, with the condition that he surrender to the court by 9.30 tomorrow morning, with the case to be listed for 10am.
Smith was the first person to be charged under Operation Yewtree, the national investigation prompted after claims were made against disgraced TV presenter Savile.
Scotland Yard has led the probe, and separated its inquiries into those involving Savile, those involving Savile and others, and those involving others. Smith has been investigated under the "others" strand.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tions.html

??? "Suicided to protect police protection racket & BBC?
Jimmy Savile's chauffeur found dead at home on day due in court." ???

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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:14 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... osses.html

Jimmy Savile 'was given key position at Broadmoor and even personally selected hospital's bosses'

27 October 2013

-Sex offender had huge influence on the way hospital was run
-He had keys and a living space and was given key executive role
-Former DJ is accused of abusing a number of patients


Disgraced entertainer Jimmy Savile was given a key position running Broadmoor and personally selected managers, it was claimed last night.

A former manager claimed that politicians and civil servants thought he was the ‘bee’s knees’ and appointed him to a task force to run the hospital in 1988.

The Top Of The Pops presenter has since been unmasked as one of Britain’s most prolific sex offenders, but was ‘given the keys’ to Broadmoor.

Savile had had a long association with the hospital, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title ‘honorary entertainments officer’.

He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site and is accused of sexually abusing a number of patients.

It is now claimed that he had a far bigger role than previously thought and was able to choose managers to run the hospital.

He is also said to have been put in charge of a committee which examined the welfare of patients, even though the new management were given no say in his appointment.

A manager who had close links to Broadmoor told a newspaper: ‘Savile was a national entertainer and was in charge of this psychiatric unit. I thought it was extraordinary, but the civil servants and the politicians apparently thought he was the bee’s knees.’

A female civil servant at the health department had complained to her boss that Savile had kissed her on the mouth before a meeting with Edwina Currie yet nothing was done.

He was appointed by Mrs Currie, then a junior health minister, despite the fact he had no expertise in mental health.

The Broadmoor taskforce, which replaced the previous suspended management, was set up in August 1988.

The Earl of Dundee told the House of Lords that Savile was ‘devoting his considerable talents to ensuring that the hospital functions smoothly’.

Alan Franey, a taskforce member and later Broadmoor’s general manager, said: ‘Savile was appointed to the task force by Edwina Currie, but it would have been on the recommendation of civil servants. It was a bit odd.’

Cliff Graham, under-secretary at the Department of Health and an advocate for NHS change, recommended that Savile sit on the taskforce.

Former Broadmoor staff recall being called to meetings with the DJ.

Mr Franey said: ‘I had an unusual meeting in the Athenaeum Club in London [Jimmy Savile and Cliff Graham were present]... and I was persuaded that a move to Broadmoor would be a good career step.’

The late David Edmond, the first chairman of the Special Hospitals Service Authority (SHSA), recalled: ‘I [was] asked to a strange meeting at Stoke Mandeville Hospital with Cliff Graham, Jimmy Savile, a retired Department of Health senior civil servant and other department officials...’

One manager at the hospital reflected on Savile’s influence: ‘We were told that he was a valuable asset, that he was well thought of in high circles in the Department of Health and it was important we got on good terms and that we cultivated what he had to offer.

‘Cliff Graham quite explicitly told me those things and said much the same to David Edmond.’

Mr Franey added that Mr Graham was in favour of Savile. He said: ‘Savile’s connections were significant. Everyone knew of the close friendship between Margaret Thatcher, then prime minister, and Savile, whom she regularly invited to Chequers.’

There is no suggestion that Mr Franey or any of the civil servants and politicians had any knowledge of Savile’s abuse.

Staff at the hospital said they reported issues to management, but nothing was done.

Richard Harrison, a psychiatric nurse at Broadmoor for 30 years, said of Savile’s appointment: ‘The lunatics have taken over the asylum.’

He added: ‘I considered him, as many of my colleagues did, as a man with a severe personality disorder and a liking for children.’

Bob Allen, a former nurse, said he saw Savile take a girl who looked 14 or 15 years old into his house.

When he reported it, his supervisor said: ‘No one appears to be interested.’

Last night, Broadmoor did not respond to requests for a comment.


Cliff Graham, huh?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 84051.html

Clifford Graham, civil servant: born Liverpool 3 April 1937; Clerical Officer, Admiralty 1954-59; Executive Officer, Customs and Excise 1959-65; Higher Executive Officer, Ministry of Health 1965-68; Principal, DHSS (later Department of Health) 1969- 74, Assistant Secretary 1975-82, Under-Secretary 1983-94; called to the Bar, Gray's Inn 1969; Director, Institute of Health, King's College London 1990-94; twice married (two sons, one daughter); died Milton Clevedon, Somerset 2 July 1994.

CLIFFORD GRAHAM was one of the people who made things happen in the National Health Service and in the wider issues of a healthy community. His work with Sir Roy Griffiths led to the introduction of general management in the NHS; he collaborated with the barrister Louis Blom- Cooper in tackling problems in mental health and illness and he was chairman of Newpin, an organisation concerned with disadvantage and abuse in the family. Graham epitomised imaginative management and would not be distracted from pursuing action on policies he thought to be right; indeed he took pleasure in exploring unconventional pathways to a proper end. That he was a civil servant, and grateful to the service for the chance it gave him, makes this all the more remarkable.

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During his time as Under-Secretary in the Mental Health Division of the department he worked closely with Blom-Cooper at the Mental Health Act Commission; he established the Special Health Authority for secure hospitals and met Jimmy Savile in their work for Broadmoor Hospital. A chance encounter led to Graham's becoming a trustee and then chairman of Newpin, which began in south London and has spread across Britain.


I spotted this on a Newpin website (there are several different sites)

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2126545/

The future of Britain's high security hospitals
The culture and values won't change until the Prison Officers' Association is ousted

1997 May 3

Until a decade or so ago, the vast majority of mentally disordered offenders who posed a threat to public safety in Britain were consigned to one of the country's three “special hospi­tals”, Broadmoor, Rampton, and Ashworth (previously Moss Side and Park Lane). This is no longer the case. Most patients on whom a crown court judge has imposed a restriction order (under section 37/41 of the Mental Health Act 1983) are now cared for in regional secure units, general NHS psychiatric inpatient acute units, and independent sector hospitals. These institutions operate far more liberal regimes but with no less safety and without the problems that have dogged the special hospitals. Now that their role is much diminished, do these troubled hospitals have any role in the future of forensic mental health care? And if they do, how can they become clinically excellent institutions?

The special hospitals were run directly by the Home Office and staffed like prisons until 1948. They were then transferred to the Ministry of Health but did not join the new NHS, being managed directly by civil serv­ants. After increasing concern in the late 1980s about standards of care and security, the Special Hospitals Service Authority was established in 1989 to oversee the service at arm's length from the Department of Health. The undersecretary responsible for the service at that time, Cliff Graham, made no secret of his disquiet about the proposed continuation of a centralised management structure, but he felt it was a reasonable interim solution while the hospitals prepared themselves for greater self governance. One of the authority's main problems was to establish management control over a large group of staff that Mr Graham and others perceived to have a damaging influence on standards of care through their rigid, authoritarian, and denigrating attitudes to patients. A widely leaked internal report (the Olliff report, Depart­ment of Health, 1988, unpublished) suggested that, unless these staff members could be controlled, the only solution to the persistent problem of poor quality care was rapid closure of all three hospitals.

The authority was thus to be a transitional body with a maximum life of five years to effect the modernisation of the service and explore the possibility of closing the institutions. In the event, the authority survived seven years, and the hospitals did not close. They finally joined the NHS as three separate health authorities only in April last year. However, a central commissioning role was retained in the form of the High Security Commissioning Board within the Department of Health.

The hospitals' origins within the criminal justice system and their subsequent exclusion from the main­ stream of mental health services explain the curious anomaly that their dominant staff union is the Prison Officers' Association. This union, or perhaps more accurately its membership within the hospitals, has played a fundamentally destructive role in the struggle to turn the hospitals into therapeutic institutions. The service has been dogged for 50 years by recurrent scandals pointing to an environment and culture which reflects on the uncaring and demeaning attitude to patients. The 1992 Ashworth Hospital inquiry report reflected at length on a regime that seemed to have learnt little from the 1980 Boynton inquiry on conditions at Rampton. Biennial reports of the Mental Health Act Commission since 1984 have repeatedly commented on the impoverished regime, overly restrictive and often petty security regulations, the emphasis on mechanical security rather than on the safer strategy of getting to know patients well, and the lack of therapeutic optimism of staff.

The blame for such conditions has been attributed repeatedly to a core group of members of the Prison Officers' Association which has exercised enormous power. This group has filled the vacuum created as hospital management teams had their authority increasingly undermined and invalidated by senior civil servants and ministers, both in the Home Office and Department of Health, who, in the words of one civil servant, wanted to keep the lid on things. Local managers have repeatedly been prevented from taking the tough measures necessary to root out union ringleaders for fear of provoking industrial action that could then spread to prisons. Latterly, a ministerial cul­ture of obeisance to tabloid press public opinion has added a further unhelpful dimension.

What those involved find particularly depressing is that heroic attempts have in fact been made in recent years to improve the hospitals; first rate chief executives were appointed, some joint academic appointments have been made, some new ward managers were brought in from outside. Most importantly, the sole negotiating rights on terms and conditions of service held by the Prison Officers' Association were ended, and staff who wished to ally themselves with the quite different culture and values of the Royal College of Nursing and Unison were at last able to sit in at the staff­ management negotiating forum. Furthermore, patients' councils have been established in the past five years, and the complaints machinery has improved. There has also been steady, hard won progress towards a 24 hour nursing regime to replace the old 10 hour, night time lock up in single rooms and dangerously claustrophobic dormitories. This has required staff to accept unwelcome major changes to their shift patterns and working practices.

An increasing majority of nursing staff now belong to the Royal College of Nursing or Unison. In Broadmoor in 1988, 800 of the 1200 staff were members of the Prison Officers' Association, compared with 500 today. There remain, however, about 1000 members in the three hospitals, and many staff have dual membership. Working in the special hospitals is highly stressful and occasionally dangerous. The work requires exceptional personal skills and qualities. But the same is true of regional secure units, and indeed the most disturbed and difficult acutely ill offenders are cared for without support from the Prison Officers' Association.

Since the three new authorities were established last year, the new boards have increased their efforts to persuade the Prison Officers' Association to accept a liberalised and safer regime, but the union's response has been, in the words of a senior staff member at Broadmoor, to go back to their old ways. In all three hospitals a hard core of staff—at Broadmoor estimated to be 150 or so—are believed to be behind a new wave of hate mail, intimidation of new staff, victimisation of nonmembers, and threats to senior managers (a toy grenade was found under a senior executive's car last month). Frank Jordan, the chairman of the union's Broadmoor branch, resigned in late March, it is widely thought because of his lack of sympathy with the old guard and a feeling that he could not oust the trouble­ makers. There are many decent men and women in the union, but their voices are swamped by the vociferous minority.

The government's 1994 review of high security services concluded that the special hospitals no longer meet future requirements, and a wide range of smaller units providing different styles of care and rehabilita­tion would be needed. Plans for new services for those long term patients who need lesser degrees of security are now well advanced, and the transfer of these patients will leave the hospitals with the most difficult groups to manage. The three new hospital boards have the management talent and imagination to provide a diverse range of improved services for these difficult patients. But they must have the unequivocal support of the NHS Executive and ministers to remove NHS patients from the care of an inappropriate union. Put bluntly, if such a union has a role in a civilised society, it is surely not working in hospitals caring for seriously mentally ill people. The choice is a stark one: either the hospitals must change or they must close completely. Many observers believe that the culture and values will never change until the Prison Officers' Association is ousted. De­recognition of the union's right to negotiate on its members' behalf would be a first step to remov­ing it from the institutions, a move which all the authorities would welcome.

Last year, the three special hospitals' chief executives asked Ken Jarrold, the NHS Executive director responsible for policy on human resources, whether the executive would support de­recognition of the union. Mr Jarrold sympathised but felt that such a move would only be supported by ministers after the election.

The election has come and gone. Let us hope that the new secretary of state for health will have the cour­age to support such a decision.

Elaine Murphy, Chairman
City and Hackney Community Health Services Trust


Ashworth Hospital Inquiry (1992) investigated the circumstances surrounding four specimen untoward incidents: a patient's sudden death, an alleged sexual assault by staff on a patient, and serious physical assaults. The events spanned several years. The Panel found:

• a culture of denigration of patients
• frequent physical and mental bullying of patients by
staff
overt racist attitudes and staff membership of right
wing, racist political groups

• victimisation and bullying of RCN members
• poor quality nursing care
• frequent use of seclusion as a punishment
• a rigid, over restrictive regime
• circulation of hate mail and offensive literature to
patients and victimised staff
• lack of therapeutic optimism, poor clinical team work
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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:56 pm

'I'm the BBC star arrested by the Savile police on suspicion of sexual offences', says veteran presenter Paul Gambaccini - 1 November 2013

Don't know any of the evidence & will of course suspend judgment, but it sounds like another phony arrest serving as distraction.

And Paul Gambaccini has become a major figure at the BBC despite, according to him, homophobic discrimination.

Earlier this year the American claimed in a newspaper interview that his personnel file at the corporation was marked with a drawing of a Christmas tree to indicate he was ‘as camp as Christmas’.

He said managers feared he would be a ‘security risk’ because of his sexuality.


So Gambaccini's homosexuality was somehow a security risk, but Savile was nothing to be concerned about.

Also, there's this as potential motive for his being targeted:

Savile sex scandal hits horrific new low as former colleague Paul Gambaccini claims on Radio Five Live that DJ was a 'necrophiliac' - 23 October 2012

His comments astounded presenter Nicky Campbell who tried to stop the conversation by warning the allegations were not in the public domain.

Campbell said: 'That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain.'

Gambaccini agreed and asked 'why not?'. And he asked: 'Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?


Remember:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... icers.html

Savile had a number of friends in the force who met him at his flat in Leeds in what he called the “Friday Morning Club”.

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Pressure on Savile’s local force came amid mounting questions over the police’s inquiry into him. The transcript of the Surrey interview shows how he said the claims he abused two young girls at Duncroft Children’s Home in Staines, and a third at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire, were from women “looking for money”.

He added: “That’s why I have, up in Yorkshire … a collection of senior police persons, who come to see me socially, but I give them all my weirdo letters.”

Separately a former West Yorkshire policeman claimed last week that Savile was notorious as far back as 1965 but no one dared challenge him
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Postby cptmarginal » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:59 pm

The transcript of the Surrey interview shows how he said the claims he abused two young girls at Duncroft Children’s Home in Staines, and a third at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire, were from women “looking for money”.


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Postby Col Quisp » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:59 pm

A woman who faces being taken to court by Freddie Starr over her claim that he groped her said yesterday: ‘Sue me – I haven’t got any money.’

Karin Ward, whose testimony was pivotal in exposing Jimmy Savile, is facing a High Court defamation claim for £300,000 because she also accused comedian Starr of groping her.

The 55-year-old – who has been recovering from cancer – says Starr molested her when she was a schoolgirl in Jimmy Savile’s dressing room in 1974.
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Yesterday a furious Miss Ward said she would repeat her claims on oath – and that even if he won, she had nothing worth taking.

‘He can sue me, take everything I haven’t got – that’s fine, I couldn’t care less,’ she told the Daily Mail. ‘What can he do to me? My house is rented, my car is worth £25.

‘What’s he going to do – have me declared bankrupt?’

The mother of seven last year spoke on camera in the ITV documentary that brought Savile’s abuse to public attention.

She also claimed on the programme that Starr had ‘wandering hands’ and had groped her in the dressing room of Savile’s Clunk Click TV show when she was 15.

Starr, 70, initially denied appearing on the show or meeting her. When footage emerged showing her standing behind him on Clunk Click, he was forced to admit he was ‘mistaken’ but still denied the ‘awful allegation’ of abuse.

Miss Ward has also recounted in an internet blog and her self- published autobiography how a comedian referred to as ‘F’ had hands which ‘wandered incessantly’. She wrote that ‘F’ was furious when she rebuffed him and made an ‘exceptionally cruel remark about my lack of breasts’, namely: ‘I wouldn’t touch you anyway, you’re a ***less wonder!’

Starr – who has not been charged over allegations of historic sexual abuse – has now launched a legal claim accusing her of defaming him as a paedophile.

In a highly unusual move, the father of five – who maintains his innocence of the claims – is seeking £300,000 to cover lost theatre bookings as well as an injunction to stop Miss Ward repeating her allegations.
On film: The 55-year old is in yellow sitting behind Starr during an appearance on BBC TV show Clunk Click in 1974, hosted by Jimmy Savile.

At her housing association home in Oswestry, Shropshire, yesterday, Miss Ward, whose car is a 15-year-old Vauxhall Astra, said she stood by all her claims about Starr but insisted she had never called him a paedophile.

‘I wasn’t upset because he attempted to grope me,’ she said. ‘That’s what men did, you could walk down the street and have your bottom pinched.

‘It was normal behaviour for men to grab your boobs – that’s not what upset me.


‘What upset me was the fact that when I recoiled he called me a “***less wonder” and everybody howled with laughter.’

Miss Ward said she had told police interviewing her about Savile that she did not want to make a complaint against Starr.

She added: ‘At no point have I said he’s a paedophile or accused him of any sexual offences.’



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510876/Jimmy-Savile-victim-Karin-Ward-said-Freddie-Starr-wandering-hands-says-sue-me.html
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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:27 pm

'I'm the BBC star arrested by the Savile police on suspicion of sexual offences', says veteran presenter Paul Gambaccini - 1 November 2013

Don't know any of the evidence & will of course suspend judgment, but it sounds like another phony arrest serving as distraction.

And Paul Gambaccini has become a major figure at the BBC despite, according to him, homophobic discrimination.

Earlier this year the American claimed in a newspaper interview that his personnel file at the corporation was marked with a drawing of a Christmas tree to indicate he was ‘as camp as Christmas’.

He said managers feared he would be a ‘security risk’ because of his sexuality.


So Gambaccini's homosexuality was somehow a security risk, but Savile was nothing to be concerned about.

Also, there's this as potential motive for his being targeted:

Savile sex scandal hits horrific new low as former colleague Paul Gambaccini claims on Radio Five Live that DJ was a 'necrophiliac' - 23 October 2012

His comments astounded presenter Nicky Campbell who tried to stop the conversation by warning the allegations were not in the public domain.

Campbell said: 'That particularly lurid accusation that you have just brought to people's attention is one that has not been in the public domain.'

Gambaccini agreed and asked 'why not?'. And he asked: 'Who vetted the knighthood? Coco the clown?


Terry Gilliam: ‘Operation Yewtree is a witch-hunt’

Cops’ Yewtree witch hunt is like something from Soviet era - Says Terry Gilliam

With all the fanfare surrounding Monty Python’s upcoming reunion at London’s O2 arena, an announcement, perhaps even more unexpected, has managed to slip under the radar.

Terry Gilliam, the troupe’s resident cartoonist who went on to direct such films as Brazil and 12 Monkeys, has stuck his head above the parapet to puncture the post-Savile hysteria - dubbing Operation Yewtree a ‘witch-hunt’ and likening it to something you would expect to find in the former Soviet Union.

Considering the moral alarmism provoked by revelations of ‘historic’ sexual abuse last year - alleged to have been committed by Jimmy Savile and others at the BBC in the 1970s - this is a brave statement. The 71-year-old was apparently moved to speak up when his friend and BBC Radio DJ Paul Gambaccini was arrested in an Operation Yewtree probe.

‘In his case the police came at 4.30am. They took everything. He’s been suspended from the BBC – you’re guilty until proven innocent’, said Gilliam, in an interview with the Sun. ‘It’s civilisation based on victimisation – and that makes everyone in the public eye a potential target.’

Gilliam goes on to suggest that the hyperactive investigators are ignoring the different standards that existed in the past.

‘During that period, there was a liberation. Yes, there will always be people who take advantage. Jimmy Savile was one of them. That was a clear case’, he said.

Dumbfounded by the lack of scepticism towards Yewtree, Gilliam intends on giving this post-Savile state of affairs a Python-esque rinsing.

‘I want to say outrageous things because nobody’s making fun of this.’

An admirable aim, but with Operation Yewtree over a year old and the accompanying hysteria showing no signs of letting up, it’s doubtful Gilliam will manage to raise a smile.


I can see where he's coming from regarding the investigation, but there's really no need to try and explain away Savile as a product of the times. That's one tired trope that really needs to be put away for good. Still a far cry from this, though: Eddy Shah - abused girls can be to blame

In any case, rule number one will continue to be followed in this whole affair: Don't Touch the Royals.

It's best not to inquire too far into how and why Savile got that papal knighthood, either.

BRITAIN'S most senior Catholic cleric Cardinal Keith O’Brien has been exposed as a close friend of disgraced paedophile Jimmy Savile.

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Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who sensationally resigned from his post yesterday amid allegations of “inappropriate acts” towards fellow priests, had bragged of his friendship with Savile in the past and photos have now emerged of the pair posing with young children.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:15 am

Good god, this is on a whole other level of unimaginable sick evil shit, regarding that British rock star singer of Lost Prophets.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:46 pm

Goddamn, that is bizarre.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ients.html

Horrifying pictures of paedophile Ian Watkins show day he visited hospital to meet young patients

-Ian Watkins, 36, was children's 'ambassador' for Kidney Wales Foundation

-Images show him smiling with sick children at a hospital in Cardiff

-He had already committed sex crimes at the time the pictures were taken

-Photographs have led to comparisons between Watkins and Jimmy Savile

-Singer has admitted attempting to rape a baby and plotting to rape another

-The two mothers who helped him, Woman A and Woman B, pleaded guilty

-Watkins remanded in custody and they will all be sentenced in December

-He had an on-off relationship with former prostitute Joanne Majic, 38

-She says Watkins told her his fantasy was to have sex with a child

-Ms Majic then went to police in 2008 but says they refused to investigate

-'There's hundreds of victims. You're never going to find them because the mothers are in on it,' she said

-Detective sergeant being probed after allegedly failing to act in Watkins case


The pictures aren't actually horrifying, just for the record.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:21 pm

Just want to let everybody know that Exaro News is no longer a subscription service, anybody can read it now. They've done a lot of great work on Elm Guest House and Cyril Smith in particular. Followers of Ben Fellows might not like the site much though, since they have been calling him a liar since he emerged with the story about Ken Clarke.

Last I heard, Fellows had been arrested for making a false accusation - so either the Met think he is unconvincing, or too convincing.

http://www.exaronews.com/search/node/child

I know it's the Jimmy Savile thread, but there was a good documentary on Cyril Smith a month or so ago. It was especially unusual in that it directly mentions intelligence service links to the covering up of his crimes. Here is a short introduction to it, where the roles played by MI5 and Special Branch are directly called out. You don't see that every day.



Full documentary: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/disp ... ay-with-it

It now seems that Paul Flowers, disgraced head of the Co-Operative Bank, might have had a role in how Cyril Smith got away with it, given that he was a Labour councillor in Rochdale at the time, and sat on the social services committee for some years, while it kept failing to investigate or prevent the ongoing abuse at various schools and care homes in the area.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... Smith.html

The Ian Watkins story has been bubbling away for months, I'd heard what he was accused of before and heard some rather bizarre details of his time in California, but to see it on the news and in "official" print is still quite mindblowing. What a wreck of a human being. How does that even happen?

I doubt Gambaccini will be found guilty of anything, I think it's a blind like cptmarginal says, though I would also be surprised if he hadn't slept with any men who were technically under the age of consent back then, given that the age was 21 for a large part of his UK career.
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