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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:42 pm

cptmarginal, thanks for your posts, especially the bit on Ashworth. Thanks to everybody else too - special mention for bluenosedclaret 'cos they posted twice by accident, but the story was so incredibly "coincidental" that you would've had to read it twice anyway.

This is an odd one. Sir Jimmy reads out the last ever letters sent into Jim'll Fix It. The final letter seems prescient, possibly even accusatory:



Savile's reaction is standard though. As so often, he openly and publically jokes / hints at his own paedophilia.

When did it become Savile with one "l", by the way? I know people have asked about or noticed this before, and the answer is usually that it was always one "l", and we just remember it wrong. But I was reading a book from the eighties the other day, and there it was again - "Jimmy Saville." Could've been a typo at the printers, I suppose, but I know the writer of this book would not have made a mistake. i always remember it with two lls.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:02 pm

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:cptmarginal, thanks for your posts, especially the bit on Ashworth. Thanks to everybody else too - special mention for bluenosedclaret 'cos they posted twice by accident, but the story was so incredibly "coincidental" that you would've had to read it twice anyway.


This whole thread is packed with information thanks to the contribution of several members who grew up knowing about Jimmy Savile, whereas I'm just an American who is absolutely fascinated by what's happening. I first saw him in the "Louis Theroux Meets" series years before the scandal and didn't really understand what it was about due to my unfamiliarity with who Savile was. Watching that episode again blew my mind; I still go back and watch parts of it over sometimes.

On a somewhat related note, I just recently watched that "Secrets of the Tribe" show because of your post about it on the new documentaries thread. Very dark history there...

When did it become Savile with one "l", by the way? I know people have asked about or noticed this before, and the answer is usually that it was always one "l", and we just remember it wrong. But I was reading a book from the eighties the other day, and there it was again - "Jimmy Saville." Could've been a typo at the printers, I suppose, but I know the writer of this book would not have made a mistake. i always remember it with two lls.


Here's one example of a book cover:

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Though I'm actually just using this as an excuse to bring up that insane image from an earlier page of this thread :lol:
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Postby cptmarginal » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:18 pm

Shocking images have emerged of paedophile rockstar Ian Watkins visiting sick children in a hospital.

The Lostprophets singer, 36, went to see children at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff as part of his role as 'ambassador for young people' for the Kidney Wales Foundation.

He was even greeted by the then Labour Health Minister Edwina Hart on the visit which was part of a campaign for more people to donate organs.

Now photographs have emerged of the visit showing the paedophile smiling as he went to see boys and girls on their sick beds - leading to startling comparisons between him and convicted paedophile Jimmy Savile.

At the time these images were taken, Watkins had already undertaken a string of sex offences which would lead to him attempting to rape an 11-month-old baby boy.

Speaking at the time of the hospital visit in 2008, he said: 'I had a great time meeting all the kids at the hospital.

'Lots of the children are waiting for a kidney transplant, but there's a desperate shortage of donors.

'That's why we need more people to join the Organ Donor Register and help save
a life one day.'

Lostprophets even headlined a special one-off concert on New Year's Eve where he urged fans to sign the NHS Organ Donor Register.


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... nk-6287518

Jimmy Savile abuse probe: Former DJ had family links to a Cardiff hospital

It is understood that during an eight-year-period when Jimmy Savile's brother ran a community station based at Cardiff Royal Infirmary, the celebrity visited on numerous occasions

9 Nov 2013

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Vince Savile the brother of Jimmy Savile at a local hospital in the 70s.

Jimmy Savile had family links to a Cardiff hospital involved with investigations of historical abuse, it has been revealed.

Vince Savile, the former celebrity’s brother, founded Radio Glamorgan, a community station based at Cardiff Royal Infirmary in 1967.

The radio station later relocated to the basement of the University Hospital of Wales in 1974.

Vince Savile died of cancer, but WalesOnline understands that during that eight-year-period Jimmy Savile visited the Royal Infirmary on numerous occasions.

Savile’s brother Vince, whose family live in Pontypridd, also worked as a Royal Navy recruiting officer in Cardiff.

Labour AM for Cardiff Central Jenny Rathbone said: “It is perfectly credible that Jimmy Savile would have been asked to do a star-turn at Cardiff Royal Infirmary on a number of occasions because his brother was a founder member of Radio Glamorgan.

“It is tragic that someone may have suffered at the hands of Jimmy Savile in Cardiff Royal Infirmary, now added to list of hospitals where Jimmy Savile may have abused patients.

“But of course this is a small part of a huge investigation which must bring to justice people who allowed Savile access to the most vulnerable people in society.”

On Thursday, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board revealed that an adult had reported an incident of abuse from the early 1960s and it was working with police on the matter.

The hospital is one of 13 under investigation in the UK following revelations about decades of abuse carried out by the former Radio 1 DJ.

Final reports on the investigations are due in June 2014.

The disclosure that Cardiff Royal Infirmary was involved in the inquiry was made in a written Parliamentary answer by health minister Norman Lamb.

In a statement on Thursday night, the health board said: “Cardiff and Vale University Health Board can confirm that it has investigated one allegation from an adult relating to an alleged incident at Cardiff Royal Infirmary in the early 1960s.

“The health board is working closely with South Wales Police and the Department of Health on the matter and is not in a position to comment further at this time.”


Also, today:

Jimmy Savile: 19 more hospitals to investigate links

The 19 hospitals extra to carry out investigations are Barnet General Hospital, Booth Hall Children's Hospital, De La Pole Hospital, Dryburn Hospital, Hammersmith Hospital, Leavesden Secure Mental Hospital, Marsden Hospital, Maudsley Hospital, North Manchester General Hospital, Odstock Hospital, Pinderfields Hospital, Prestwich Psychiatric Hospital, Queen Victoria Hospital, East Grinstead, Royal Free Hospital, London, Royal Victoria Infirmary, Newcastle, Seacroft Hospital, Leeds, St Mary's Hospital, Carshalton, Whitby Memorial Hospital and Wythenshawe Hospital.

The 13 hospitals already carrying out investigations are Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Broadmoor Hospital, High Royds Psychiatric Hospital, Dewsbury Hospital, Great Ormond Street Hospital, Moss Side Hospital (previously part of Ashworth Hospital), Exeter Hospital, Portsmouth Hospital, St Catherine's Hospital Birkenhead, Cardiff Royal Infirmary, Rampton Hospital and Saxondale Hospital.
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Postby Searcher08 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:26 am

One aspect that I think would really be worth investigating is whether Savile went to the USA and / or Saudi Arabia.
I read about Barbara Bush effusively greeting Savile as an intimate friend. My memory is that Radio 1 DJs would go to the US on occasions to follow bands around.

As a 'thought experiment', I wondered what might have to be the case if the following were assumed to be true:



**Begins Thought Experiment

1) Margaret Thatcher was not evil, but rather driven by her own 'romantic nationalism'
2 ) She knew exactly about all of Savile's activities
3) She was a sincere personal friend of Savile
4) She saw what Savile did as extremely patriotic
5) High-level politicians eventually encounter paedophile networks in Government
6) The toughest ones choose to treat these networks in a totally pragmatic way, in line with their own values ie 'this is a reality, how can it advance my (and my countries) political interests

Looking at Savile as a 'child procurer for the 'Paedo/Elite' is missing a great deal.

Long standing friends of Thatcher would probably have needed to closely match her values, implying that Savile himself was driven by a similar 'romantic nationalism'.

Savile certainly hid some of his activities in plain sight, describing himself as 'working deep deep cover' on several occasions.

What if Savile sees himself as a self-chosen 'servant' , who decides that he will 'go underover' and infiltrate every network of paedophiles, in order to have those networks be within the UK / USA's national interest - to ensure that the paedo networks are kept in, as much as possible, a 'controlled' condition - where their members are able to be selectively blackmailed on limited occasions, where their activities are covered up and where members are able to advance each others more mundane interests.

Obviously, to do that, he will actually have to be one, and establish and maintain his credibility - done by making his own activities very visible to people who know how to 'read the media messages' - he would also have to be seen to be balancing the 'bad' that he has 'had to do' - and being the biggest charity fundraiser in UK history is evidence of that.

So Jimmy Savile was a 'system' that helped maintain and control and shape UK (and wider) paedo networks to further the UK's perceived national interests as defined by those in power at the time.

**Ends Thought Experiment**
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Postby lucky » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:00 pm

Total number of hospitals that believe JS was doing his foul things 33
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:17 am

cptmarginal » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:02 pm wrote:This whole thread is packed with information thanks to the contribution of several members who grew up knowing about Jimmy Savile, whereas I'm just an American who is absolutely fascinated by what's happening.


But look how much good our knowledge and information did. None at all. I am quite embarassed, and even more so to learn you are an American with no ingrained knowledge of this person/system.

Even here, on a board where paedophilia among the political and entertainment elite is not considered a taboo subject, there is barely a mention of Savile pre-dating his mainstream indictment. We all knew he was weird, wrong, and we had all heard rumours of child molestation, but even here nobody really talked about it.

Not me, not Semper, not Stephen Morgan, not Mac, not nobody. There was the odd passing mention of him (usually Icke-derived) in the Haut de la Garenne threads (with that picture which has the Jim'll Fix It sign photoshopped in, not that it matters now), and possibly an ancient murmur or two about him when the Diana letters were coming out. But other than that, nothing. Or not much. Nothing of note. Hiding in plain sight works well even against those who should know better, it seems.

You are right about his name, btw. It was always Savile. It was spelled wrong in the book I was reading, where he was only mentioned in passing anyway, as a comedic aside. I am glad I remember him wrong. I would not like to remember him right.

Searcher makes a good point. So, I fear, does lucky.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:35 am

I had planned a thread about Kincora, but it's not going to happen, so I think it would be best to just post the words of Ken Livingstone MP, speaking on radio 5Live, about the use of sexual blackmail by the UK's domestic intelligence services.

Since the Government is playing hard to get on it's release of Kincora-related documents under the thirty years rule, we will have to make do with the considered opinions of elected representatives of the people.

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I am no fan of Ken Livingstone, btw, because he is a fucking moron, but in the Kincora days he almost knew what he was talking about. Almost. Which is better than the rest of them.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:02 am

Old news, but still. Gentleman Jim Lewis knew, eh?



He didn't necessarily know that Savile was a nonce, but he had the good sense to violently attack him anyway. Can't argue with that.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:36 am

I dread it every time this thread gets a new page, but still, cannot thank you folks enough for keeping this going.

Searcher08, I dug your thought experiment. The books I am currently reading on BCCI all flirt around the subject of "procurement" as a key banking service to VIP Arabic clients, although the authors often try to use the, you know, multicultural cover that this was just the "dancing boys" bedouin tradition. (Just like Belgians happen to throw house parties with little kids as special guests, you know? Open your mind, daug!) No surprise that these VIP Arabic clients were mostly Saudi, and significant that ground zero for BCCI's operations, especially in terms of wooing new clientele, was London.

I will keep an eye out for excerpts when I get free time over the weekend for typing passages out...that might be a little awkward in the office.

I am almost hesitant to contribute what I'm about to contribute here, but I do think it is relevant. This is from a totally unrelated channel -- a recent Rune Soup post on JFK-era High Strangeness -- but it gave me pause and made me think of Jimmy...this is Nick Redfern talking about some curious details surrounding Rendlesham.

One of the reasons why that furious debate shows no sign of going away is that certain files on the affair – extremely significant files, it should be stressed – appear to be, ahem, missing.

One of the little known rumors surrounding the Rendlesham Forest case is that at the height of the strange encounters a panicky British Government was on the absolute verge of evacuating a number of nearby prisons, all in the county of Suffolk, too. In the 1980s, the late Graham Birdsall, who was the editor of Britain’s UFO Magazine from the 1990s to the early 2000s, had the opportunity to speak with one George Wild – a prison officer at Armley Prison in the English city of Leeds – who had some intriguing data to impart on this notable aspect of the story…

The late Lord Hill-Norton, who served as Chief of the British Defense Staff from 1971 to 1973, had a deep and personal interest in UFOs in general, and an even deeper one in Rendlesham specifically. On October 23, 1997, he officially raised in the British government’s House of Lords a question concerning the alleged, unusual activities at HM Prison Highpoint North, as outlined to Graham Birdsall by George Wild a decade earlier…

The official response to Hill-Norton: “I regret to advise the noble Lord that I am unable to answer his question, as records for Highpoint Prison relating to the period concerned are no longer available. The governor’s journal is the record in which a written note is made of significant events concerning the establishment on a daily basis. It has not proved possible to locate that journal.”


While it is easy to see Savile for his selfish and monstrous desires, some consideration should be given to his utility, his role in the larger ecosystem. Prisons, mental hospitals, juvenile dentention centers, these are and have always been testing grounds. They are perfect subjects for experimentation that crosses all manner of ethical & legal lines because: 1.) they are already captives, and 2.) they are already rendered "unbelievable" as witnesses by virtue of circumstance.

I suspect Jimmy was a custodian more than a pimp.

I also suspect many, many cabals with many, many agendas were at work on Jimmy's flock.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby cptmarginal » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:02 pm

RocketMan » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:39 am wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/oct/15/jimmy-savile-boasted-police-abuse

Police have released the transcript of a 2009 interview with Jimmy Savile in which the disgraced former BBC presenter bullishly dismisses child sexual abuse allegations against him and threatens aggressive legal action to shut down the claims.

A sense of how the man, believed to be one of Britain's most prolific paedophile abusers, saw himself as beyond the law emerges from the transcript, in which Surrey police interrogators appear to take an almost deferential approach.

The interview with Savile, who is asked by officers at the outset if it is OK to call him "Jimmy", was carried out under caution at an office used by the presenter at the National Spinal Injuries Centre at Stoke Mandeville hospital, one of many locations where he is thought to have abused children over decades.

The late DJ, who was a fundraiser for the hospital, told the officers that while the NHS ran the hospital, "I own it."


Police 'urged prosecutors not to pursue child sex abuse claims against Jimmy Savile after 2009 interview' - 15 December 2013

And it has now emerged that on October 10 2009 - nine days after the interview, which took place in Savile's own office in the hospital - police advised prosecutors not to pursue Savile.

In a newly-released note, officers told the CPS Savile had denied all of the claims, explaining that he, as a celebrity, attracts claims like these, according to the Mirror.

The note, which had a number of grammatical errors, added: 'He stated if there was nay [sic] prosecution he would take the women to civil court and sue them for making unfounded allegations.'

This note followed an interview in which Savile, 83 at the time, told police: 'I've never, ever done anything wrong.'

After this was accepted with an 'OK', Savile added: ‘That doesn’t mean to say that in my business you don’t get accused of just about everything because people are looking for a bit of blackmail or the papers are looking for a story, so they keeps going up but if you gotta clear conscience which I have everything’s okay.’

Savile was asked 50 questions through the interview, with the transcripts released earlier this year following a Freedom of Information request.

An officer told the CPS: 'As previously advised this will be marked NFA [not for action].'

Two years after the interview, Savile died at the age of 84.


Remember, that's this interview:

cptmarginal » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:59 pm wrote:
The transcript of the Surrey interview shows how he said the claims he abused two young girls at Duncroft Children’s Home in Staines, and a third at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire, were from women “looking for money”.


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Postby cptmarginal » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:20 pm

I happened to notice this on the Daily Mail, it's territory covered earlier in the thread:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ldren.html

Apologists for paedophiles: How Labour Deputy Harriet Harman, her shadow minister husband and former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt were all linked to a group lobbying for the right to have sex with children

PUBLISHED: 19:27 EST, 13 December 2013 | UPDATED: 09:34 EST, 14 December 2013

At first sight, it might be a harmless parish magazine or the newsletter of a respectable society of bird-watching enthusiasts.

Called The Magpie, the now-yellowing A5-size pamphlet was distributed in the late Seventies to members of an organisation called the PIE. The inside cover carries a workmanlike ‘editor’s letter’ highlighting ‘our third annual AGM, which is to be held in London in the summer’, and inviting readers to seek election to ‘our Executive Committee’.

Page three advertises a memorial service for recently deceased PIE member Alan Doggett, who worked as the conductor of the London Boys’ Choir, and was apparently to be remembered for his ‘friendliness, integrity and loyalty’. There follows a selection of short news stories, a letters page and several long feature articles, which are scholarly in tone and peppered with academic jargon.

But it doesn’t take long for any right-minded person who flicks through The Magpie — dispatched quarterly in plain brown envelopes to up to 1,000 members — to realise that behind its matter-of-fact tone and appearance, something is terribly, terribly, amiss.

For the initials PIE stand for Paedophile Information Exchange. This turns out to be the name of a far-Left lobby group which spent much of the Seventies and early Eighties publicly calling for the legalisation of child sex — and the age of consent to be lowered to four.

Today, PIE has been widely forgotten. But at the time, it achieved prominence for circulating articles by tame psychologists and cod scientists promoting the ‘rights’ of paedophiles.

Take, for example, a long article by Dr Edward Brongersma, a Dutch politician and academic who was renowned for his ultra-liberal views on sexual morality.

‘A sexual relationship between a child and an adult does not harm the child and may be even beneficial,’ he argues, ‘providing that the adult partner is considerate, loving and affectionate.’

Take also an article in which a PIE member called Keith Spence, who had recently moved to Stockholm, writes of his (unsuccessful) efforts to abuse ‘heart-shatteringly beautiful’ children at the local swimming pool.

‘If you think England is frustrating for paedophiles, you should try living in Sweden for a bit,’ he complains.

Towards the back of the journal are adverts for a book called Towards A Better Perspective For Boy-Lovers, and admiring reviews of magazines with names such as Male International, Kim, and Boys Express.

Today, almost 35 years later, the contents of The Magpie seem so vile and amoral, and the activities of a lobby group dedicated to advancing the human rights of predatory paedophiles so disgusting, that it’s incredible either was allowed legally to exist at all.

However, it now seems that the Paedophile Information Exchange wasn’t just tolerated by the liberal authorities of the time. There is growing evidence that the era’s Left-wing establishment saw it as a socially acceptable pressure group and actively encouraged its ugly campaigns and sinister public meetings.

Indeed, it emerged this week that the Labour government of the Seventies may even have helped finance the organisation and its morally bankrupt publication The Magpie.

On Sunday, the Home Office announced that it had ordered a ‘thorough, independent investigation’ into shocking allegations that the Paedophile Information Exchange received public funds while James Callaghan was in Downing Street.

It will examine whether tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money was funnelled to it via the Voluntary Services Unit [VSU], a department of the Home Office that gave annual grants to charities and non-profit-making lobby groups.

The probe comes after a whistle-blower had claimed the payments were signed off, over several years, by a senior civil servant who worked under Labour’s then Home Secretary, Merlyn Rees.

Dig beneath the surface of this ugly scandal, however, and you will soon discover that Lord Rees — who died in 2006 — is a long way from being the only prominent Labourite whose good name may be tarnished by it.

For it also raises tricky questions for three of the most senior Labour figures of recent times: deputy leader Harriet Harman, former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, and shadow housing minister Jack Dromey, a former party treasurer and Harman’s husband.

Turn the clock back to the Seventies and this trio had strangely close links to the Paedophile Information Exchange. And the long-defunct organisation’s sudden return to the news pages may very well bring those links back to haunt them.

Harman, Hewitt and Dromey first encountered the PIE when they were cutting their political teeth as young officials in the National Council for Civil Liberties [NCCL].

This tub-thumping human rights organisation — these days known as Liberty — was far more radical than its modern equivalent, and was actively forging alliances with a host of ultra-liberal pressure groups.

One such group was the PIE. In 1975, it somehow succeeded in convincing the NCCL to grant it official ‘affiliate’ status.

The move was a signal victory for radical Left-wing activists, who had for years lobbied for more ‘enlightened’ attitudes towards sex between adults and children.

It was also, of course, a PR coup for those who sought to promote paedophilia.

‘The PIE somehow managed to convince feminists and the gay rights lobby that they had shared values and that we all belonged in the same club,’ recalls one feminist writer whose magazine was lobbied for support by the PIE after the Exchange won NCCL affiliation.

‘Anyone who spoke out against them feared being called a “homophobe”, which in Left-wing circles at the time was about the biggest insult anyone could throw at you. So they were invited into the liberal establishment.’

A PIE ‘information’ leaflet published at the time, called Paedophilia: Some Questions And Answers, shows how the organisation had managed to ally its cause to the gay rights movement.

‘Homosexuals are now widely regarded as ordinary, healthy people — a minority, but no more “ill” than the minority who are left-handed,’ it read. ‘There is no reason why paedophilia should not win similar acceptance.’

The NCCL — then under the chairmanship of Henry Hodge, the Left-wing solicitor who would go on to marry Labour MP Margaret Hodge — appears to have bought this argument hook, line and sinker.

‘The PIE was also being picketed by the National Front, so a lot of people also supported them on the basis that our enemy’s enemy had to be our friend,’ says the writer. ‘It seems terrifyingly simplistic now, obviously, but that was the political context.’

Over the ensuing years, the NCCL — which had Hewitt as its General Secretary from 1974-83 — provided valuable support to the paedophile lobby as it pursued a string of legal and political campaigns designed to advance its twisted agenda.

In 1975, for example, the NCCL conference was addressed by the PIE chairman, Keith Hose. Delegates passed a motion declaring that ‘awareness and acceptance of the sexuality of children is an essential part of the liberation of the young homosexual’.

In 1976, with Jack Dromey on its executive (he served from 1970-79), the NCCL filed a submission to a parliamentary committee claiming that a proposed Bill to protect children from sex abusers would lead to ‘damaging and absurd prosecutions’.

‘Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage,’ it read. ‘The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.’

The statement might have been cut-and-pasted from the propaganda book of the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Two years later, in 1978, Harriet Harman, then a newly qualified solicitor, became the NCCL’s legal officer. She promptly wrote its official response to Parliament’s Protection of Children Bill, which sought to ban child pornography.

Her letter claimed that such a law would ‘increase censorship’, and argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered.

‘Our amendment [to the proposed law] places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed,’ she wrote.

Such statements, from officials in what was (and is) a respected human rights organisation, may go some way towards explaining how the Labour-run Home Office of the era might have allowed public grants to be directed towards the PIE.

The NCCL presided over by Harman, Hewitt, Hodge and Dromey had, after all, helped foster an environment where woolly liberalism trumped child protection.

To many on the Left, promoting the ‘rights’ of paedophiles came to be regarded as a legitimate act of political subversion.

Sources close to the Home Office investigation, which was announced this week, say the whistle-blower who sparked it first came forward in the late Seventies. However, his concerns were ignored by officials working for Labour Home Secretary Merlyn Rees.

I understand that the civil servant suspected of approving the Voluntary Services Unit grants to the Paedophile Information Exchange in the Seventies died in 2006.

Officials are now trying to establish the nature of this man’s relationship with the late Steven Adrian Smith, a former chairman of the Paedophile Information Exchange who was employed as a security guard in the basement of the Home Office during the same era.

If the two men were working in cahoots, it will surely fuel suspicions that an establishment paedophile ring had been allowed to take root in the department.

After all, it emerged earlier this year that Geoffrey Dickens, a Tory MP who campaigned against paedophilia, had approached the then-Home Secretary Leon Brittan in 1983 with allegations concerning widespread abuse of children, some of it by prominent individuals, in children’s care homes.

Nothing appears ever to have come of Dickens’s claims.

As for the Paedophile Information Exchange, its fortunes began to wane in 1981 when secretary Tom O’Carroll — a press officer for the Open University — was jailed for conspiring to corrupt public morals by publishing ‘contact’ advertisements (which put readers in touch with vendors of child porn) in an edition of The Magpie.

Even after O’Carroll’s fall from grace, Patricia Hewitt was willing to stick up for the organisation. In a 1982 essay entitled The Police And Civil Liberties, she offered a thundering critique of his trial.

‘Conspiring to corrupt public morals is an offence incapable of definition or precise proof,’ she wrote, arguing that O’Carroll’s involvement in distributing child porn had ‘overshadowed the deplorable nature of the conspiracy charge used by the prosecution’.

But sympathy in the National Council for Civil Liberties for the PIE’s aims was fading. In 1983, its affiliation was formally withdrawn. And the PIE disbanded in 1984.

The ensuing years saw its reputation permanently sunk, following the convictions of dozens of prominent members for child sex offences.

Among them was Charles Napier, its treasurer, who was jailed in 1995 for indecently assaulting a 14-year-old boy.

Also disgraced was Peter Righton, a key government adviser on children’s homes, and a PIE founder, who was fined in 1992 for possessing child porn. He died in 2006, never prosecuted for abusing boys in his care — though he openly admitted doing so.

As for Harman, Hewitt and Dromey, they went on to climb successfully the greasy ladder of politics.

Despite the public revulsion against paedophilia, none of the trio would ever properly apologise for the NCCL’s historic links to the Paedophile Information Exchange.

Indeed, a spokesman for Harman said yesterday that despite her employment by the NCCL during its formal affiliation, ‘the very suggestion that Harriet was in any way supportive of the PIE or its aims is untrue and misleading’.

It has been left to Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty — who, born in 1969, had nothing to do with the affair — to offer the only public apology.

‘It is a source of continuing disgust and horror that even the NCCL had to expel paedophiles from its ranks in 1983 after infiltration at some point in the Seventies,’ she told me yesterday.

‘The most important lesson learned by Liberty over the subsequent 30 years was to become a well-governed modern human rights movement in which protecting the vulnerable, especially children, will always come first.’

With fresh light about to be shed on this dark passage in history, it’s a message that other — perhaps more guilty — parties would be well advised to heed.
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Postby cptmarginal » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:35 pm

And it has now emerged that on October 10 2009 - nine days after the interview, which took place in Savile's own office in the hospital - police advised prosecutors not to pursue Savile.

In a newly-released note, officers told the CPS Savile had denied all of the claims, explaining that he, as a celebrity, attracts claims like these, according to the Mirror.

The note, which had a number of grammatical errors, added: 'He stated if there was nay [sic] prosecution he would take the women to civil court and sue them for making unfounded allegations.'

[...]

An officer told the CPS: 'As previously advised this will be marked NFA [not for action].'


Seems kind of familiar:

I spoke to a third party who was willing to discuss the case with me on a strictly "off the record" basis.

I was advised that all the passport data had been turned over to the State Department for their investigation. The State Department in turn, advised the MPD that all travel and use of the passports by the holders of the passports was within the law and no action would be taken. This included travel to Moscow, North Korea, and North Vietnam from the late 1950s to mid 1970s.

The individual further advised me of circumstances which indicated that the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD report has been classified SECRET and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counter Intelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired.

No further information will be available. No further action will be taken.
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Re: Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:50 pm

Lord Janner's home searched in child abuse probe
BBC News 20th Dec 2013
The London home of Lord Janner has been searched as part of an inquiry into allegations of child abuse, Leicestershire Police has confirmed.
He has not been arrested and has not been interviewed under caution.
Leicestershire Police said it had "executed a search warrant at a property in Barnet, north London, as part of an ongoing criminal inquiry".
Greville Janner was a Labour MP for 27 years, in Leicester North West and then Leicester West.
His lawyers said in a statement: "Lord Janner has not been arrested but has been assisting the police with their inquiries.
"We are not able to make any further comment at this time."
The Cambridge graduate stood down as an MP in 1997 and was subsequently made a life peer.
Lord Janner, a father of three, is a former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
He is also chairman of the Holocaust Education Trust.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25465348

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Postby cptmarginal » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:36 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greville_ ... Braunstone

Political career

Janner represented Leicester North West and then Leicester West in the House of Commons from 1970 until his retirement in 1997.[1] His predecessor in the seat was his father, Sir Barnett Janner, a former Chairman of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain. He was succeeded by Patricia Hewitt.

He was created a life peer as Baron Janner of Braunstone, of Leicester in the County of Leicestershire in 1997.[2] He is President of the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Anti-Semitism,[3] and chairs the All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group.

NGO career

Lord Janner was president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the main representative body of British Jewry, from 1978 to 1984, and was a key campaigner in the efforts to get reparations for victims of the Holocaust.[1] He is also a vice-president of both the World Jewish Congress[1] and the Jewish Leadership Council.

Lord Janner is Founder and President of the Commonwealth Jewish Council and Chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust.[1] He is the Chairman of Holocaust Educational Trust's Baltic Mass Graves Committee, seeking to find, map, signpost and mark the Holocaust mass graves in the Baltic States.[citation needed]

Miscellaneous

Janner wrote a number of books on public speaking and business communication, including On Presentation. He is a former member of The Magic Circle and the International Brotherhood of Magicians.[5]

Lord Janner has throughout his career sought to foster good relations between different faiths and religions. His book, One Hand Alone Cannot Clap, is testimony to this work. He co-founded (along with Prince Hassan of Jordan) the Coexistence Trust, a charity to combat Islamophobia and antisemitism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coexistence_Trust

Presidents

Baron Janner of Braunstone
Prince Hassan bin Talal

Chairperson

2005 - 2008: Lord Janner of Braunstone.
2008–present: Lord Mitchell.

Directors

Alan Senitt
Samuel Klein


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Senitt

http://web.archive.org/web/201108050213 ... 685709.ece

Alan Senitt (26 December 1978 – 9 July 2006) was a British political activist whose murder in Washington, DC garnered media attention. He had just graduated with an MA in International Studies and Diplomacy from the prestigious School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London.

From Pinner, North London, Senitt was a former chairman of the Union of Jewish Students. He stood as the Labour Party candidate in Edgware, North London, in the May 2006 local elections.[1]

He worked with Lord Greville Janner, a member of the House of Lords and vice-president of the World Jewish Congress in 2005, as director of the Coexistence Trust charity. He also worked for the All-Party British-Israel Parliamentary Group and the British Israel Communications and Research Centre.[2] He moved to the United States in June 2006 to volunteer for Mark Warner's political action committee Forward Together.[1]

Senitt was murdered in the Georgetown area of Washington, D.C. early on 9 July 2006. Senitt, 27, was escorting a female friend home when they were confronted by three males; at least one had a gun, and one had a knife. One attempted to sexually assault the woman while the other two assailants grabbed Senitt, stabbed him and slashed his throat. Then they fled, riding away in a car driven by a woman. Four suspects were arrested the same day. Christopher Piper, 25, was charged with felony murder and attempted sexual assault. Jeffery Rice, 22; Olivia Miles, 26; and a 15-year-old boy whom police declined to identify because he has been charged as a juvenile, were all arrested for murder charges.[1] The juvenile later pled guilty to murder, as well as other charges, and has been sentenced.[3]

On 21 May 2007, Piper and Rice pleaded guilty to robbing and killing Alan, and committing other robberies in the city.[4] They were sentenced 24 August to 37 and 52 years respectively in prison by the D.C. Superior Court.[5]


Just something I happened to notice while clicking through wiki pages.
The new way of thinking is precisely delineated by what it is not.
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