Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Belligerent Savant]

they're at 15% vaccination. U.S. is over 50%. What measures are you referring to? Can you spell them out?

Most recently I summarized Taiwan 's actions back on page 241:

Looking again at Taiwan, where new Covid cases are one per day. That's out of 23 million people.

What did Taiwan do that's different?

The Taiwan government:

- immediately took command of the necessary resources
- immediately banned export of PPE
- guaranteed to manufacturers the purchase of all PPE they could make
- tested people daily
- conducted unintrusive contact tracing
- imposed limited isolation
- provided quarantine facilities for infected persons
- encouraged use of facemasks, provided free.

The US did pretty much the opposite, sitting on its hands, letting the "free market" make book. In Taiwan they're playing baseball in crowded stadiums again.

The "unintrusive" tracing part is from an article I read that said Taiwanese are jealous of their privacy, and the government, being sensitive to that, used some method that didn't use their phones. Sorry, I didn't save the URLs, but I think the general reportage goes along those lines.

Notice vaccines aren't on the list; it seems they weren't really necessary with ordinary prevention measures—granted, at extraordinary levels, but I think they just had a good plan together. Who knows?—maybe the April spike was caused by the vaccine? I don't know.

But masks are not a viable defense. They never were.
Note all the charts in the prior page by me and Stickdog. Many cities/countries/islands with high mask compliance continue to observe spikes.
Contact tracing has not shown itself to be consistently effective either.
All prior guidance for influenza-like viruses made clear that NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions) were not broadly effective for any extended duration.
Of course, keeping those ill and compromised isolated and/or quarantined -- to help keep spread among the healthy -- certainly can help minimize harm to the vulnerable.

Early treatment options in particular absolutely can help.

In lieu of vaccination, how is Taiwan treating the ill?

[DrEvil]

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I know his beliefs aren't relevant to this specific video, but the guy you posted doesn't deserve a single click, so here's the same video from a person who isn't an anti-Semite who thinks we should kill all the gay people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLPRBqyBww

[Harvey]

A view from Australia

[Joe Hillshoist]

A view from Australia

Mate Craig Kelly is a fuckwit. Wanted people busted for providing pill checking kits at doofs.

[Harvey]

A view from Australia

Mate Craig Kelly is a fuckwit. Wanted people busted for providing pill checking kits at doofs.

Not quite sure what 'doofs' are or how that invalidates what he says in the video above.

[Belligerent Savant]

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I know his beliefs aren't relevant to this specific video, but the guy you posted doesn't deserve a single click, so here's the same video from a person who isn't an anti-Semite who thinks we should kill all the gay people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLPRBqyBww

Wait - you're claiming the doctor in the above clip is an anti-semite? On what grounds? Isn't the above video the same one stickdog posted?
Perhaps I'm missing a pertinent detail.

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In other news:

Reykjavik, Iceland: Iceland on Friday suspended the Moderna anti-Covid vaccine, citing the slight increased risks of cardiac inflammation, going further than its Nordic neighbours which simply limited use of the jabs.

"As the supply of Pfizer vaccine is sufficient in the territory ... the chief epidemiologist has decided not to use the Moderna vaccine in Iceland," said a statement published on the website of the Health Directorate.

This decision owed to "the increased incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis after vaccination with the Moderna vaccine, as well as with vaccination using Pfizer/BioNTech," the chief epidemiologist said in a statement.

For the past two months, Iceland has been administering an additional dose "almost exclusively" of the Moderna vaccine to Icelanders vaccinated with Janssen, a single-dose serum marketed by America's Johnson & Johnson, as well as to elderly and immunocompromised people who received two doses of another vaccine.

This will not affect the vaccination campaign in the island of 370,000 inhabitants, where 88 percent of the population over 12 years old is already fully vaccinated.

Since Thursday, Sweden and Finland have also suspended the use of the Moderna vaccine but only for those under 30, because of a risk of inflammation of the myocardium, the heart muscle, and the pericardium, the membrane covering the heart.

Denmark and Norway have formally advised against it for those under 18.

[Belligerent Savant]

Worthwhile listen - quite a bit of this has already been raised here but good presentation/venue:

https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-w ... -unte.html

Winning the War Against Therapeutic Nihilism & Trusted Treatments vs Untested Novel Therapies

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021

Rumble — Peter McCullough, MD, MPH speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of AAPS on October 2, 2021.

Slides: https://www.scribd.com/document/5303284 ... 21-Lecture


Patient Guide: https://aapsonline.org/covidpatientguide/

[Harvey]

^ That's the single best presentation and summary I've seen. Cheers BS. I recommend RIers watch it and if they agree, distribute it as widely as they dare.

[Laodicean]

https://swprs.org/the-wef-and-the-pandemic/

[stickdog99]

https://twitter.com/USMortality/status/ ... 4736781321

[mentalgongfu2]

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) has spoken on behalf of private physicians since 1943. The motto of AAPS is "omnia pro aegroto," which is Latin for "all for the patient." We also affirm the Hippocratic Oath. AAPS believes that private sector solutions are best equipped to handle the needs of patients and the doctors who serve them and not socialized medicine. Through legal action and grassroots activism we defeated HillaryCare and actively oppose ObamaCare.

So glad the private, political organization promoting big pharma is protecting us from the public health administrations promoting big pharma.
They have actively opposed the public health measures that would bring the basic health care many here say are missing from the American response to Covid. Orgs like this contribute heavily to the reason so many Covid deaths involve underlying health conditions. If not for them, a large majority of this country might have access to decent health care at reasonable cost, or, god forbid, "free" tax-funded healthcare. You know, all the stuff you guys say we should have done instead of mandates and lockdowns.

[Harvey]

Whether you like it or not, neither Obama, nor Clinton nor Biden have done or will do any of those things. Do you have any other none points to make about the data in the presentation?

[Joe Hillshoist]

A view from Australia

Mate Craig Kelly is a fuckwit. Wanted people busted for providing pill checking kits at doofs.

Not quite sure what 'doofs' are or how that invalidates what he says in the video above.

A doof is a rave, ("Doof" is the sound of the bass.) You know, with techno music and drugs. All the kids are doing it, they have been for 35 years.

Frankly I'm not listening to or watching his video. He joined UAP (the political party putting out that ad) ffs. He is basically a political shill for hire. And yeah they all are but that lot are the worst. One day I'll be dead and I wouldn't want to look back on my life in my last moments and regret wasting a second of my life on that turd. Not giving the cunt the time of day.

[Joe Hillshoist]

BTW youse can take this for what its worth ... not alot coming from the economist lol.



Its a map of excess deaths since the start of 2020. All their statistical stuffing about is explained in the paper. it certainly fits with what i've thought since this started - that official death tolls and infection counts are actually under counted significantly.

Here is a link to the picture:

https://www.economist.com/assets/infogr ... eaths.html

and the article:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... -estimates

[Belligerent Savant]

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Can't read the article as I won't be subscribing to The Economist, but here's the intro I was able to see, from your link:

How many people have died because of the covid-19 pandemic? The answer depends both on the data available, and on how you define “because”. Many people who die while infected with SARS-CoV-2 are never tested for it, and do not enter the official totals. Conversely, some people whose deaths have been attributed to covid-19 had other ailments that might have ended their lives on a similar timeframe anyway. And what about people who died of preventable causes during the pandemic, because hospitals full of covid-19 patients could not treat them? If such cases count, they must be offset by deaths that did not occur but would have in normal times, such as those caused by flu or air pollution.

To what extent does it factor in how many lives were lost because effective/low-cost early treatment wasn't offered or provided? Or how many died needlessly because of wrong treatments (ventilators with high pressure settings along with anesthetic drugs such as Midazolam administered, etc.)? Among other contributing factors.

In other words: A variety of compounding factors contributed to excess deaths, which include draconian policies, improper medical treatments (inadvertent or otherwise), lockdown measures, etc. (particularly when lockdowns alone directly impacted lives and livelihoods), suppression of alternative, effective, low-cost treatment options that may be offered along with the availability of vaccines. And of course, deaths due to vaccine adverse reactions -- we won't ever get accurate numbers on this last metric.

To ascribe excess deaths to the covid virus alone -- if that's what this Economist piece is offering -- is highly short-sighted at best.
Perhaps someone with access to the entire article can offer added context.